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little history, if you dont care skip down. hey, im new to the forums and was reccomended here by a friend. he is planning to turbo his 2000 cougar and told me the price on the kit. i tohght $4000 was outrageous for just the turbo kit with no internals or anything and decided to help him out. I have done several turbo projects in cluding a 1986 mustang, 1986 cougar and a 1971 pinto that i am currently working on.


how strong is the 2.5L block?
how strong are the stock rods, and crank?
i was thinking 8.5:1 FORGED pistons would be best and running somr ARP rod bolts at minimum.
also, does anyone make 8.5:1 forged pistons for a stock bore 2.5L?

next, i was thinking of a turbo thats basically a T03/T04E with a .46 trim T04E cold side and a .63 T03 hot side witha stage II wheel in it. theyre good for well over 350hp easy. next problem is manifolds, who makes manifolds and piping that have a T3 turbo flange on them? should i just use stock ones and connect them and add a T3 flange there?
where do most cougar owners mount turbos in their engine bay?
It will of course be intercooled.

thanks for the help and anyone thats ventured into turboing a 2.5Lplease ggive me any input and problems you have enouctered in your install.

Thanks
 

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You might want to post this question in Forced Induction as it relates more closely to that Forum. You might also want to check over at Contour.org as I know there are a bunch of guys there that know a lot about turbo charging our engines.
 

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The kit is so expensive because nobody else makes a turbo kit for the cougar. If you want to make it cheaper, you are going to have to custom fabricate the whole kit. The only person that I know of that has custom made one for their 2.5L is naynay, but he just finished it and his turbo is still in it's testing stages.
 

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is our cars low impedence or high impedence injectors? i have no clue
 

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low impedance injectors....

as for the internals... well we have a 3L 'tour running 350 ponies on stock internals if i'm not mistaken... only internal mod is rod bearings....

he has done a 3L engine swap, as well as a turbo kit from streetflight with an upgraded turbo... i can't remember what turbo he's running but t3 really rings a bell... the kit also comes with a water/air intercooler, far more efficient than an air/air but it does come with it's visual drawbacks...

the kit from streetflight comes with
T28 Ball Bearing Turbo
Spearco Air/Water Intercooler
Trunk Mounted Water Resevoir
1st Generation Eclipse Blow Off Valve
Street Flight Fabricated Mandrel Bent Stainless Steel Turbo Piping and Headers
Fender Mounted intake and K&N Filter
All necessary hoses and couplings
19 lb/hr Ford SVT Injectors
External Wastegate
Front Mount Heat Exchanger

I beleive it also comes with a chip, as streetflight makes the best chips for our car also (completely custom maps all around)...
 
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if theyre low impedence, i would bet injectors from the 2.3l turbo would work, they have low impedence 30# and 35# injectors, they cost abotu $7 and $10 each respectively.

http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=63&threadid=89326

go over there and reply please.


also, air to water had its advangtages at the track, but a good air/air is much better on the street in my opinion
 
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Originally posted by: PuckPuck
low impedance injectors....

as for the internals... well we have a 3L 'tour running 350 ponies on stock internals if i'm not mistaken... only internal mod is rod bearings....

he has done a 3L engine swap, as well as a turbo kit from streetflight with an upgraded turbo... i can't remember what turbo he's running but t3 really rings a bell... the kit also comes with a water/air intercooler, far more efficient than an air/air but it does come with it's visual drawbacks...

the kit from streetflight comes with
T28 Ball Bearing Turbo
Spearco Air/Water Intercooler
Trunk Mounted Water Resevoir
1st Generation Eclipse Blow Off Valve
Street Flight Fabricated Mandrel Bent Stainless Steel Turbo Piping and Headers
Fender Mounted intake and K&N Filter
All necessary hoses and couplings
19 lb/hr Ford SVT Injectors
External Wastegate
Front Mount Heat Exchanger

I beleive it also comes with a chip, as streetflight makes the best chips for our car also (completely custom maps all around)...





Id say he upgraded the Turbo because a T28 cannot push 350HP's. Besides a T3 performance series turbo's max is under 350HP.... also he needed to really upgrade to perform near 350 or more. Would have to be a T3/T4E Hybrid to do so.....
 
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Originally posted by: Blackcoog
There is a reason they went with the Air to Water. Good luck trying to get the Air to Air to fit in the cougar...


Not this again......does Seawulf ring a bell? He has one (FMIC) and so does someone else on these boards. Again for our application (this is for Jagular) a air to air will out perform a liquid to air.....again only for our app.....if you were a drag racer then yes a liquid to air would be the best. People, there is ample room to fit a FMIC.....it is just easier to make a liquid to air for our cars.....thats the reason behind it!
 

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Doesn't seawulf have a zetec?
 
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You still have ample room being a 4cyl or V6...We have installed the FMIC a dozen times so far on the V6 (MTX only). The hard part was fitting the piping coming from the Turbo to the IC. Its a pretty hefty 90deg turn downwards then rides right under the radiator up to another 90 deg bend into the IC.
 

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The T28 in the SF kit produces around 270-290 at the wheels with ~10psi. (that's 330-355 crank)
Power under the curve is also extremely nice with this kit!


The 3L in question is running a T3/4 60 trim with large exhaust wheel and put down 305FWHP at just 5.5psi.

Now Estimated around 350FWHP at 8-9psi. (It trapped at ~108-109mph!) Actually "now" it's being made better yet... :biggrin:
 
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I agree, the T28 BB is a nice turbo...very fast spooling. Just runs out of juice too soon for someone that "wants" the option of pushing near 400HP or 500HP if he/she wants..

What do you mean"large exhaust wheel"? What is the size of the compressor wheel? Whats the inducer/exducer size, how many blades, is it a E or B series, or std or spr, is it a ...ah just messing with you.

Theres a huge amount that goes into making a specific turbo for a certain car. Sorry.... just curious to see how they came up with a T3/T4....if that what it is.
 
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Originally posted by: naynay
You still have ample room being a 4cyl or V6...We have installed the FMIC a dozen times so far on the V6 (MTX only). The hard part was fitting the piping coming from the Turbo to the IC. Its a pretty hefty 90deg turn downwards then rides right under the radiator up to another 90 deg bend into the IC.


did you move the radiator and a/c condensor back or did you just leave them in stock location and mounting it front of them? I dont personally own a new cougar and i am just helping a frined with this, i know in mine (1986 model, fox chasis) you can just move both of those back and a BIG intercooler will fit in front of them (the ones off isuzu box trucks work well). talk about cooling.
 
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Originally posted by: FastCougar
I have pictures from Wayne in Australia of a FMIC in a V6 Cougar ... it can be done.


Ah...you finally spoke up to help...you love me:puke:....sorry im just playing around. But seriously its hard to get people to understand the room there is for a FMIC. And yes its fine to mount it in front of the ac condensor and radiator....where do you think the Honda and Supra boys put theirs.:biggrin:
 
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