Im not sure Neil, but I got the CC.com short shifter, and it's quite a bit difference in shift times. Atleast for me. It seems about 2 inche's short im not so sure on it exactly. But I like it better now. The only weird thing is when im in First, third, and fifth, cuz there is no more slant back on the stick the shift knob is forward quite a bit, but you get used to it. plus you don't usually sit in first or third, and i do most intown driving and dont' hold my stick in fifth. so i haevn't seen any real reason to be dissapointed.