tuning with/or out secondaries

fordrule · 08-27-2006, 02:24 PM

well found out my imrc was out and my secondaries are not opening. i have an xcal2 but no PRP. i will be getting the package at a later date. i am contemplating just removing the secondaries and tuning the car with the imrc removed. and also i thought it would be a good topic starter in here rather than 3L section.

GrandMasterKhan · 08-27-2006, 10:05 PM

and the truth be told! No secondaries = mucho lost HP! I bet your car will be much much MUCH stronger with secondaries

nandalora · 08-27-2006, 10:54 PM

GMK are you being obvious, stating that the secondaries not opening causes a loss of HP? OR are you saying, the concenses is, removing the IMRC causes a loss of HP? If so where did you here that???????? This has been covered a lot.

RodneyBur · 08-27-2006, 11:23 PM

It has only been stated that removing the secondaries will cause a loss of torque under 3k but will increase upper hp a little. There has not been any proof shown such as dyno results or anything.

It has also been said the the secondaries were put in for driveablity and gas mileage reasons.

nandalora · 08-27-2006, 11:27 PM

Yea, I think everyone knows that. What do you have to say about it, you don't have imrc? Also, GMK said a loss of HP, I think he meant TQ.

RodneyBur · 08-27-2006, 11:36 PM

Nope don't have them at all. I still have the rods in but the butterflies are out. I kept the rods in and IMRC unit hooked up till I got my chip to keep the check engine light off and so it didn't start throwing the engine into the emergency loop or whatever it does when the IMRC is unplugged.

I have the chip installed now, but not completely tuned. I removed the IMRC unit, but am waiting to pull the rods out of the LIM. I have finished polishing my front valve cover and will remove the rods when installing it. I will also cut the LIM a little and use some JB weld to fill the holes. I will also post dyno results as soon as they are in.

CougarGuy939 · 08-27-2006, 11:54 PM

the secondaries were used cause they hadnt really figured out the vvt thing yet

FastCougar · 08-28-2006, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CougarGuy939

the secondaries were used cause they hadnt really figured out the vvt thing yet

Not true ... they where used to keep low RPM torque as high as possible.

nandalora · 08-28-2006, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FastCougar

Not true ... they where used to keep low RPM torque as high as possible.

Ok, and what do you think VVT was invented for???

CougarGuy939 · 08-28-2006, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nandalora

Ok, and what do you think VVT was invented for???

kinda what i meant

08-27-2006, 02:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
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08-27-2006, 10:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
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08-27-2006, 10:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
nandalora NECO Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Clarkston, MI Posts: 625 Images: 10	Re: tuning with/or out secondaries GMK are you being obvious, stating that the secondaries not opening causes a loss of HP? OR are you saying, the concenses is, removing the IMRC causes a loss of HP? If so where did you here that???????? This has been covered a lot. __________________ 2007 Black Mica Mazdaspeed6 GT- My new love

08-27-2006, 11:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
RodneyBur NECO Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,460	Re: tuning with/or out secondaries It has only been stated that removing the secondaries will cause a loss of torque under 3k but will increase upper hp a little. There has not been any proof shown such as dyno results or anything. It has also been said the the secondaries were put in for driveablity and gas mileage reasons. __________________ 1999 Laser Red MTX 14.509 1/4 2.265 60' 2002 3L with SVT UIM, SVT LIM no secondaries, SVT Cams, SVT TB, 24# injectors, WR Headers & y-pipe, AEM Intake, SVT Clutch, Fidanza flywheel, Clevite rod bearings, ST200 valve springs, Underdrive pulleys, Escape oil pan, DMD, Magnecor KV85 Comp Wires, Polished timing cover-valve covers-MAF-TStat, Torsen LSD, Focus shift tower & forks, RP syncromax, SVT ECU, SCT Flip Chip, B&M Shifter, OMP FSTB, Mirko RSTB, Roush RSB, Roush Floor Mats, 2.5" Trubendz

08-27-2006, 11:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
nandalora NECO Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Clarkston, MI Posts: 625 Images: 10	Re: tuning with/or out secondaries Yea, I think everyone knows that. What do you have to say about it, you don't have imrc? Also, GMK said a loss of HP, I think he meant TQ. __________________ 2007 Black Mica Mazdaspeed6 GT- My new love

08-27-2006, 11:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
RodneyBur NECO Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,460	Re: tuning with/or out secondaries Nope don't have them at all. I still have the rods in but the butterflies are out. I kept the rods in and IMRC unit hooked up till I got my chip to keep the check engine light off and so it didn't start throwing the engine into the emergency loop or whatever it does when the IMRC is unplugged. I have the chip installed now, but not completely tuned. I removed the IMRC unit, but am waiting to pull the rods out of the LIM. I have finished polishing my front valve cover and will remove the rods when installing it. I will also cut the LIM a little and use some JB weld to fill the holes. I will also post dyno results as soon as they are in. __________________ 1999 Laser Red MTX 14.509 1/4 2.265 60' 2002 3L with SVT UIM, SVT LIM no secondaries, SVT Cams, SVT TB, 24# injectors, WR Headers & y-pipe, AEM Intake, SVT Clutch, Fidanza flywheel, Clevite rod bearings, ST200 valve springs, Underdrive pulleys, Escape oil pan, DMD, Magnecor KV85 Comp Wires, Polished timing cover-valve covers-MAF-TStat, Torsen LSD, Focus shift tower & forks, RP syncromax, SVT ECU, SCT Flip Chip, B&M Shifter, OMP FSTB, Mirko RSTB, Roush RSB, Roush Floor Mats, 2.5" Trubendz

08-27-2006, 11:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
CougarGuy939 NECO Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CT Posts: 1,667 Images: 1	Re: tuning with/or out secondaries the secondaries were used cause they hadnt really figured out the vvt thing yet __________________ Cougar is gone buy my stuff: http://www.newcougar.org/forums/show...41#post1237941

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