D2 Coilover Damper Kit

[gamiller]

of course, not all news is bad either. this SENTRA owner says this about them:

Originally Posted by Goumba

I autocross my sentra frequently, and have talked to people who autocross their sentra's on these. So far I've heard nothing but good things about the ksports. Both reliability and performance. Nothing spectacular though. As for my contour, I wouldn't replace my koni/gc setup for these.

he later reiterates:

Originally Posted by Goumba

So for quality, performance, and comfort i went with with koni. The only department ksport wins my favor is price. I compete in motorsports a lot and have seen many people go from ksports and teins to konis with ground controls. I have also seen very competitive drivers very satisfied with their ksports and teins.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

Originally Posted by gamiller

Rara has spoken over at CEG about how these products aren't safe. The best example being that there is no flange on the strut for the pinch bolt to grip the strut, so it could come unseated from the wheel spindle/knuckle.

while i understand what Raras concern is i honestly dont see them coming out of the knuckle. they wont fall through as there is shoulder that prevents that. they arent likely to rotate as there is very little (if any) rotational force on the strut, much less once the pressure from the pinch bolt is on it. i dont feel its going to pull out of the knuckle as even when i was removing them tonight, with the pinch bolt removed, i had to beat the knuckle off just like the factory struts. again, with the pinch bolt installed, i dont see the strut ever coming out of the knuckle.

Originally Posted by gamiller

here's what you actually get in the mail when you order:



the CONTOUR owner of these coilovers believes them to be poorly designed:

the fitment of the front springs on the perch is pretty tight, no worse than the GCs on their perch. also, they now come with the nice rubber isolator on both the front and rear lower perches.

as long as you lock everything down tightly i dont see any issues with them.

edit: as far as i know, starjammer hasnt sold his ksports yet.

[gamiller]

but there's a glimmer of hope:

Originally Posted by CSVT#49

Well gentlemen the news is out. KSport will be developing a new strut base. The new base will be steel instead of the current aluminum and will include a mounting tab that mimics the OEM tab. This currently still in the development stages in their R&D shop, but I was told that it would be released in about 2 months time.

only to be dashed on the rocks:

Originally Posted by CSVT#49

Well two weeks have passed and I called and spoke with the same guy again. Who then had spoke with the project coordinator. He came back and told me due to delays in other higher priority projects I was told it will be another two months before they have anything. At this point I'm getting pretty frustrated. So I told him I wanted to know if one of the engineer's could respond to the question as to why they did not duplicate the OEM mounting of the strut and why the tab was left out of the design. So if I still don't have an answer to that question by mid next week I think I'm just going to scrap the whole KSport strut idea and purchase the BAT kit or KONI kit. However let it be know that even if I don't buy the KSport kit now... I'm going to keep on these guys until I get this resolved.

[BigBalledOX]

Originally Posted by gamiller

C'mon Ox. No need to be rude, here. I can backup everything I say on these boards. I had to speak up because I just hate to see some kit spend $1200 on a product I've heard about which I've heard some negative things.

First of all, there was no rudeness intended until you started crying about being "called out" when I asked for a simple verification of your comments as I have not heard so much as a single complaint from anyone in regards to these coil overs.

Secondly, congratulations, Chicken Little, the sky surely is falling, as your vast personal experience with these coil overs shows. Oh wait, you don't have any, do you? All you have is pure speculation about how "safe" these items are, and some complaints in regards to the ride stiffness, which is a purely subjective argument. Further, all the alleged complaints seem to stem from the K-sport coilovers and the assumption they are the same as the D2 coil over system, when there is no verification they are the same and the only shred of proof presented is from an alleged vendor who conveniently does not carry their products and a claim the package says "D2", which is interesting, but the D2 package I received had no other markings besides D2's, which makes me a tad bit skeptical. Additionally, it has been vehemently denied by D2 that their products are the same as the K-sport coil overs, and frankly, their statements carry a tad more weight with me than some vendor who is probably like every other drop-ship seller on the internet and never even sees the products they sell.

You should probably pick this up if you don't already have it, it seems it would be extremely useful to you.

[noggs]

So...Which ones should we buy? Lots of KDGCsport2BAT around here...no ideas about which is better for which usage, or if they are even different setups?!?!?

[BigBalledOX]

Ask yourself this - do you really NEED to be able to futz with your ride height? Or are you really going to be doing autocross? If the answer is a resounding yes, then Koni/GC or D2 would be a terrific choice. I can only speak for those two setups because Koni/GC has been the standard for years around here and I love my D2's, but my Cougar is not going to be a daily driver.

If you just want to improve your handling some and have the car sit lower, then just get lowering springs with Koni struts. The full coil over setups are a bit extreme for a car that is going to be driven all the time in my opinion, which I'm qualified to give as I had the pleasure of owning both Roush/ST220 springs and struts and the glorious D2 setup.

[gamiller]

Originally Posted by BigBalledOX

First of all, there was no rudeness intended until you started crying about being "called out" when I asked for a simple verification of your comments as I have not heard so much as a single complaint from anyone in regards to these coil overs.

Secondly, congratulations, Chicken Little, the sky surely is falling, as your vast personal experience with these coil overs shows. Oh wait, you don't have any, do you? All you have is pure speculation about how "safe" these items are, and some complaints in regards to the ride stiffness, which is a purely subjective argument. Further, all the alleged complaints seem to stem from the K-sport coilovers and the assumption they are the same as the D2 coil over system, when there is no verification they are the same and the only shred of proof presented is from an alleged vendor who conveniently does not carry their products and a claim the package says "D2", which is interesting, but the D2 package I received had no other markings besides D2's, which makes me a tad bit skeptical. Additionally, it has been vehemently denied by D2 that their products are the same as the K-sport coil overs, and frankly, their statements carry a tad more weight with me than some vendor who is probably like every other drop-ship seller on the internet and never even sees the products they sell.

You should probably pick this up if you don't already have it, it seems it would be extremely useful to you.

still gotta resort to bullying to get your point across, eh? or is that to make up for your not-so-big-balls?

my statement about being "called out" was tongue in cheek. obviously, i did not mind sharing my sources. i see that you believe personal experience to be the best source of information. to ignore the experiences of others and rely solely on my own experience is foolish. that's how things are "learned the hard way."

you keep saying you have "have not heard so much as a single complaint from anyone in regards to these coil overs." OPEN YOUR EYES. Haven't you seen Bensenvill's repeated statement that his coilovers are too harsh for daily driving? Did you completely overlook the complaints by Rara I posted? He was so unhappy with the coilovers he purchased that he turned around and sold them.

the "speculation" to which you refer is solely about whether or not the KSports are the same as the D2s. all i will say is, "if it quacks like a duck..."

in short, you don't need to get all defensive about your precious D2 coilovers. i'm glad you believe in the product. i hope that they give you many years of service. i hope that you believe they were worth what you paid. i am not here to start a boycott. in fact, i was going to tell people where they can get them cheap. i just don't want people to be ignorant of the problems that have been posted. i don't see why you had to get all personal about this. i'm done here.

[ND4SPD]

Originally Posted by BigBalledOX

Ask yourself this - do you really NEED to be able to futz with your ride height? Or are you really going to be doing autocross? If the answer is a resounding yes, then Koni/GC or D2 would be a terrific choice. I can only speak for those two setups because Koni/GC has been the standard for years around here and I love my D2's, but my Cougar is not going to be a daily driver.

If you just want to improve your handling some and have the car sit lower, then just get lowering springs with Koni struts. The full coil over setups are a bit extreme for a car that is going to be driven all the time in my opinion, which I'm qualified to give as I had the pleasure of owning both Roush/ST220 springs and struts and the glorious D2 setup.

Indeed... I went for the GC Coilovers, and I honestly adjust the height (front only) MAYBE 2 or 3 times at the most a year. (only lowering it all the way down for cougarfest)

If I lived somewhere where winter didn't royaly **** up the roads, I probably would have just gone for regular lowering springs, but some roads can be a pain around here, so i'm glad that I have the option to adjust if needed.

[sonza68]

Originally Posted by Turbo Zetec 'tour

while i understand what Raras concern is i honestly dont see them coming out of the knuckle. they wont fall through as there is shoulder that prevents that. they arent likely to rotate as there is very little (if any) rotational force on the strut, much less once the pressure from the pinch bolt is on it. i dont feel its going to pull out of the knuckle as even when i was removing them tonight, with the pinch bolt removed, i had to beat the knuckle off just like the factory struts. again, with the pinch bolt installed, i dont see the strut ever coming out of the knuckle.

Agreed. I have 15-20k miles on mine and have not seen any evidence of them moving in the knuckle. When I reistalled them recently (took them out to replace axles) I had them misaligned and had a hell of a time rotating them 90° even without the pinch bolt installed.

[sonza68]

Originally Posted by Turbo Zetec 'tour

pics with them in the car before i pulled them out and with them out of the car.

Interesting. They look very much like the D2s, but the sway bar mounting tab is definately different.