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Nitrous Oxide - FAQ (Ressurected!)
Back and better than ever: The Nitrous Oxide FAQ!
Well , with the unexpected passing of our older Nitrous FAQ, I thought it was time to create a new and better FAQ for all you juice junkies. I have been an avid user of N2O for over a year now with absolutely no problems at all. A lot of the horror stories attributed to Nitrous Oxide use in cars can be blamed on improper use, installation, and just plain ignorance. Lets also get one thing straight; if you’re going to be using Nitrous refer to it as N2O, Juice, “squeeze”, nitrous; NOT Naaawz (nos). NOS is a BRAND of nitrous oxide by Holley Performance, not an acronym for Nitrous Oxide. And now for a little history and chemistry lesson on Nitrous Oxide. The gas, Nitrous Oxide, was discovered in 1793 by an English scientist by the name of Joseph Priestly. Preistly made N2O by heating ammonium nitrate with iron fillings, then combining the gas that came off , through water to remove the toxic components. Okay so enough of that boring shhhhtuff… now onto the good stuff. Now you may be asking yourself, why would I want to use nitrous when its possible for to obtain a Turbo or Supercharger? Well lets answer that question. Nitrous can give a much BIGGER boost in power than other forms of tuning. Not only that it can be used on otherwise close to stock Cougar. When correctly set up on any road there will be NO engine wear and it is completely safe! Other advantages that nitrous has is that once that little switch is off , the car’s completely running original and NA. No bad idle, no fuel economy losses or emission changes, and it will be as smooth and quiet as could be, unless you have bolt ons of course. Typical turbocharging can provide typically 100- 150 percent power increase, but the cost is high and you could possibly run into a lot issues with your Cougar, especially with a daily driver. Along with supercharging, the costs are extremely high. However, with nitrous oxide the cost is much less , less to maintain the system, its there when you need/want it, theres no “lag”, and the power is immediate! If your bottom end of your Cougar is slow and dull, Nitrous can give you that extra push to get you moving faster than the other guy. Now onto the FAQ ( This FAQ will update with the PM'ed questions or questions that are asked here in this thread) Q: Will Nitrous affect engine reliability? A: The key is choosing the correct H.P. for a given application. A kit that uses the correct factory calibration does not usually cause increased wear. As the energy released in the cylinder increases so do the loads on the various components that must handle them. If the load increases exceed the ability of the component to handle them, added wear takes place. Nitrous kits are designed for use on demand and only at wide open throttle. Nitrous can be extremely advantageous in that it is only used when you want it, not all the time. Q: Can I simply bolt a nitrous kit onto my stock engine? A: Yes, Nitrous companies manufacture systems for the Cougar. The key is to choose the correct kit for a given application; i.e., 4 cylinder. engines normally allow an extra 40-60 HP, 6 cylinder. engines usually work great between 75-100 extra HP. Q: What are some of the general rules for even higher H.P. gains? A: Generally, forged aluminum pistons are one of the best modifications you can make. Retard ignition timing by 4-8 degrees (1 to 1½ degrees timing retard per 50 H.P. gain). In many cases a higher flowing fuel pump may be necessary. Higher octane (100+) racing type fuel may be required as well as spark plugs 1 to 2 heat ranges colder than normal with gaps closed to .025"-.030". For gains over 250 H.P., other important modifications could be necessary in addition to those mentioned above. These special modifications may include a forged crankshaft, a high quality race type connecting rod, a high output fuel pump dedicated to feeding the additional fuel demands of the nitrous system, and a racing fuel with high specific gravity and an octane rating of 110 or more. Q: How does nitrous work? A: Nitrous oxide is made up of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process in an engine, at about 572 degrees F., nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen. This extra oxygen creates additional power by allowing more fuel to be burned. Nitrogen acts to buffer, or dampen the increased cylinder pressures helping to control the combustion process. Nitrous also has a tremendous "intercooling" effect by reducing intake charge temperatures by 60 to 75 degrees F. Q: How much performance improvement can I expect with a nitrous system? A: For many applications an improvement from 1 to 3 full seconds and 10 to 15 MPH in the quarter mile can be expected. Factors such as engine size, tires, jetting, gearing, etc. will effect the final results. Q: How long will the bottle last? A: This largely depends on the type of nitrous kit and jetting used. For example, a 125 HP Power Shot kit with a standard 10 lb. capacity bottle will usually offer up to 7 to 10 full quarter-mile passes. For power levels of 250 HP, 3 to 5 full quitter-mile passes may be expected. If nitrous is only used in 2nd and 3rd gears, the number of runs will be more. Q: How long can I hold the nitrous button down? A: It is possible to hold the button down until the bottle is empty. However 15 continuous seconds at a time, or less, is recommend. Q: When is the best time to use nitrous? A: At wide open throttle only (unless a progressive controller is used). Due to the tremendous amount of increased torque, you will generally find best results, traction permitting, at early activation. Nitrous can be safely applied above 2,500 RPM under full throttle conditions. Q: Is nitrous oxide flammable? A: No. Nitrous oxide by itself is non-flammable. However, the oxygen present in nitrous oxide causes combustion of fuel to take place more rapidly. Q: Will nitrous oxide cause detonation? A: Not directly. Detonation is the result of too little fuel present during combustion (lean) or too low of an octane of fuel. Too much ignition advance also causes detonation. In general, most of our kits engineered for stock type engines will work well with premium type fuels and minimal decreases of ignition timing. In racing applications where higher compression ratios are used, resulting in higher cylinder pressures, a higher fuel octane must be used as well as more ignition retard. Q: Is it a good idea to use an aftermarket computer chip in conjunction with an NOS System? A: Only if the chip had been designed specifically for use with nitrous oxide. Most aftermarket chips use more aggressive timing advance curves to create more power. This can lead to potential detonation. You may wish to check with the manufacturer of the chip before using it. The top manufacturers, such as Hypertech do make special chips for use with nitrous. Q: Does nitrous oxide raise cylinder pressures and temperatures? A: Yes. Due to the ability to burn more fuel, this is exactly why nitrous makes so much power. Q: Are there any benefits to chilling the nitrous bottle? A: No. Chilling the bottle lowers the pressure dramatically and will also lower the flow rate of the nitrous causing a fuel rich condition and reducing power. On cold evenings you might run on the rich side. For optimal running conditions, keep bottle pressure at approximately 800-900 psi. If you live or operate a nitrous system in colder climates, it may also be a good idea to purchase a bottle heater kit, . Generally, ambient temperatures of 70-90 degrees F. will allow for best power potential of nitrous kits. Q: What effect does nitrous have on an engine with considerable miles on it? A: This depends largely on the actual condition of the engine components. Any performance modification to an engine that is worn out or poorly tuned will have detrimental effects. However, an engine in good condition, with good ring and head gasket sealing, should be able to use nitrous without any abnormal wear. Q: Will the use of nitrous oxide affect the catalytic converter? A: No. The increase in oxygen present in the exhaust may actually increase the efficiency of the converter. Since the use of nitrous is normally limited to 10-20 seconds of continuous use, there usually are no appreciable effects. Temperatures are typically well within acceptable standards. Q: Will the percentage of performance increase be the same in a highly modified engine compared to a stock engine when using the same nitrous kit and jetting? A: Not really. In most cases the percentage of increase is greater from a stock engine because it is not as efficient as the modified engine in a normal non-nitrous mode. However, since the effects of nitrous oxide magnify the output of any engine, the total power output will be much higher in the modified engine. Q: Can service station fuel be used for street/strip nitrous oxide applications? A: Yes. Use of a premium type leaded or unleaded fuel of 92, or greater, octane is recommended for most applications. Many systems are designed for use with service station pump gas. However, when higher compression or higher horsepower levels are used, a racing fuel of 100 octane, or more, must be used. Q: What type of cam is best suited for use with nitrous oxide? A: Generally, cams that have more exhaust overlap and duration. However, it is best to choose a cam tailored to normal use (when nitrous is not activated) since 99% of most vehicle operation is not at full throttle. There are special cam grinds available for nitrous competition which have more aggressive exhaust profile ramping, etc. Since cam selection depends largely on vehicle weight, gearing, etc., it is best to stick to cam manufacturer's recommendations for your particular goal. Q: Should I modify my fuel system to use nitrous oxide? A: Most stock fuel pumps will work adequately for smaller nitrous applications. It is important to check to see if your pump can flow enough fuel to your existing fuel system (whether carburetor or fuel injected), as well as being able to supply the additional fuel required by the nitrous kit under full throttle conditions. It may be a good idea to dedicate a separate fuel pump to the nitrous kit. Q: Which is the best position to mount a nitrous bottle? A: bottles come with siphon tubes and, in order to maintain proper nitrous pickup, it is important to mount the bottle correctly. It is recommended mounting the bottle at a 15 degree angle with the valve end higher than the bottom of the bottle. The valve end of the bottle should point to the front of the vehicle and the valve knob and label should face straight up. Q: How important is it to use nitrous and fuel filters in a kit? A: Some of the most important components of any nitrous system are nitrous and fuel filters. To keep contaminants from attacking the solenoid or plugging up a jet, NOS nitrous filters feature a special stainless steel mesh element from the aerospace industry. Q: What are the advantages of using nitrous compared to other performance options? A: The cost of many other performance options can put you in the poorhouse. Dollar for dollar, you can't buy more performance with less money than nitrous. With a nitrous system, performance and reliability can be had for a much more reasonable price while retaining the advantages of a stock engine during normal driving. And, nitrous offers tremendous gains in torque without having to rev the engine to excessive rpm's. These factors help your engine last longer than many other methods of boosting horsepower. Q: What kind of pressures are components subject to in a typical nitrous kit? A: Pressures often exceed 950-1,000 psi. Q: How do I know how much nitrous is left in the bottle? A: The most reliable way is to weigh the bottle to determine how many pounds remain. When a bottle is near empty (about 20% or less nitrous remaining) a surging effect is normally felt. Q: What is the function of the blow-off safety valve on the bottle? A: It is very important not to overfill a bottle; i.e., a 10 lb. capacity bottle should not be filled with more than 10 lb. of nitrous oxide by weight. Over-filling and/or too much heat can cause excessive bottle pressures forcing the safety seal to blow and releasing all the contents out of the bottle. Q:Will I have to change my ignition system? A: Most late model ignition systems are well suited for nitrous applications. In some higher HP cases, it may be advisable to look into a high quality high output ignition system. Now lets get onto the finer points- Triggering the System Of course, you don't want the system to be running all the time - a 10lb bottle will last you less than a minute, if it's open. Typically, you want the system triggered on while you're at the track, at WOT (wide open throttle), and at relatively high rpm's. To make that happen, you'll typically want to wire, in sequence, several switches. I won't describe the specific wiring here, but you'll have some or all of the following: A Master On/Off switch A WOT switch, which is installed on the actual throttle, that closes the circuit only when your foot is on the floorboard (simplest way to describe it) A pushbutton in the car, probably on the shifter A "window switch" that closes the circuit only when the engine RPM is between a certain range (like 3000-6000) that you decide is acceptable A fuel pressure switch More Esoteric Controllers The system to trigger described above is a basic "single stage" setup. The nitrous is either on or off, and when it's on, the full volume dictated by the jets is sprayed into the engine. There are all sorts of reasons you might want a nitrous system which was a bit more intelligent, and I'm not going to define every possible option here. Suffice to say there are "multiple stage" systems (like those from Venom, which may be completely overboard) where separate flows of nitrous are added at different times, rpm-based systems which add more nitrous at higher rpms, time-based systems, which delay the nitrous flow for some time after you launch, etc. Practically any setup you want can be built by a computer-controlled box. Safety I'm a firm believer in using all the safety mechanisms you have available. Clearly, they aren't absolutely necessary, and some folks run nitrous systems without any of these devices. But for my money, they're well worth using. What Can Go Wrong? Well, a lot can go wrong, but hopefully you'll have adequate safety mechanisms built in to protect your motor when it does. The main thing that can go wrong is adding nitrous into your engine without compensating fuel. This extreme lean condition is disaster for the engine, and you're not likely to get a second chance - at least with the same engine. Conversely, adding extra fuel without nitrous is not particularly bad for the engine, so you can imagine, it's safer to start with the car running rich (too much fuel), then lean it back from there. Some examples of problems you might encounter include: Fuel pump fails A failed pump will lose pressure immediately, causing an extreme lean condition Fuel injector failure or lockup Using stock fuel injectors with a dry nitrous kit can cause the injectors to lock up and not flow fuel Solenoid failure A failed fuel or nitrous solenoid can cause serious damage Ignition RPM limiter On a stock computer, the rev limiter is implemented by cutting the signal to the fuel injectors so the cylinders have no combustion. If you're running a dry system, which depends on the fuel injectors to provide compensating fuel for the nitrous, losing fuel this way is the ultimate disaster. An aftermarket ignition will typically implement the rev limit by cutting off spark rather than fuel, which is a much safer implementation of the rev limit. Typically, you'd get your stock PCM programmed to set the rev limit up higher than you'll ever expect to go (like 7000RPM), and use the setting on the aftermarket ignition as your actual rev limit. Window Switch This electrical device provides an open or closed circuit based on the engine being between two RPM values (hence "window") that you chose, so that you'll only flow nitrous in this range. Why would you do that? Well, for two very different reasons. At low RPM, think about what's going on: you're spraying nitrous into the intake at a constant flow. That is, the nitrous bottle and solenoids have no idea what RPM you're at, and they're just pushing it into the intake at a constant volume. Inside the engine, though, the nitrous and fuel combination is being sucked into the cylinders during every stroke. The net result is that at low RPM, you're getting far more of the mixture into the cylinders. At 3000 RPM, for example, you're getting twice the amount as at 6000 RPM. So, you can imagine that running nitrous at, say 1000 RPM, is far more stressful on the motor as at 3000 RPM, and typically causes a "nitrous backfire" - meaning that the nitrous/fuel combination can explode in the intake manifold (rather than the cylinders) - a bad thing. So that's why you don't want the system triggered at low RPM. At high RPM, the situation is easier to explain. Given the discussion of the rev limit above, you may just want the nitrous system to cut off before hitting that rev limit. If you've got a ignition, you certainly want a window switch. If your rev limit is implemented by an aftermarket ignition, it's perfectly safe for the motor to run nitrous during the rev limit. It's not particularly easy though, on your transmission or clutch to have all that power during the shift, which may be a reason to keep the window switch set a bit before you shift. Fuel Pressure Safety Switch This is a device that's plumbed into the fuel system, and provides an open or closed circuit based on availability of fuel pressure. It can be used in the triggering circuit to make sure the system isn't on when you've got a fuel problem. Typically, you only use it to switch off the nitrous solenoid; turning off the fuel solenoid as well can start a cycle of switching the solenoids on and off while the pressure raises and drops in the fuel system when you're switching the solenoid on and off. Let the pressure build up in the fuel lines when you open that solenoid, and when it's high enough, the nitrous solenoid will open. The switch can be used whether you've got a wet or a dry system. You can adjust the pressure at which it triggers by using an allen wrench on the back of the switch (loosen the screw lowers the pressure threshold). High Octane Fuel High octane gas (e.g. 100 or more, unleaded) will also slow the burn rate in the cylinder. This will provide another way, similar to retarding timing, to avoid knock. WARNING!: Watch out for Octane Boost claims. Typical claims are "8-10 points of octane boost for a tank of gas." You should be aware that these "points" are tenths of a point of octane as you'd purchase at a gas station. So the above example will raise your octane from 92 to 92.8 or 93, not 100-102 as you might think. Don't assume that if high octane fuel helps on nitrous motors, that it'll help your naturally aspirated motor too. A naturally aspirated motor is tuned for a particular octane of gas; adding more doesn't help one bit. Save your money. Nitrous Filter A simple part, but essential in any nitrous system. This filter is added in-line to your nitrous line, between the tank and the solenoid. Install it as close to the solenoid end as is convenient. It will trap any small particles that may come through the line, much like a fuel filter. A common solenoid failure is due to some particle jamming it open. Fuel Systems Your fuel system is the most important part of the system. As I hope is clear by now, the worst scenario in a nitrous system is a lean air/fuel mixture. The solutions to a good fuel system depend on the type of nitrous system you're using. On a wet system, you simply need to ensure that your fuel system can supply adequate fuel, at standard pressure. On a dry system, not only do you want adequate fuel like the wet system, but on an regular setup the fuel is added by raising the fuel pressure, which forces more gas through the injectors. In this scenario, it's typically recommended that you replace the stock fuel injectors with better quality injectors. These injectors are able to handle the increased fuel pressures necessary. Spark Plugs Generally you want to use copper spark plugs as opposed to the stock platinum ones. You also want to reduce the gap from the stock 0.050" down to 0.035"-0.040". I've received a couple notes on why you use a smaller gap. "The reason you want a smaller gap is because of ionization. If you change from the typical air (78%nitrogen, 21% oxygen)/fuel ratio, a given gap requires more energy to ionize the mixture, resulting in less energy in the spark, if you even get a spark. You could also increase the coil voltage instead of decreasing the gap, but I think using a smaller gap would be preferential since the spark time will be smaller." and also this message: "The reason that you will close the gap on your spark plugs is because when nitrous is added, it raises the cylinder pressure, much like a supercharger. Therefore "blowing" the spark out. When you close the gap it cannot put out the spark as easily." Testing Solenoids I mentioned failed fuel or nitrous solenoids doing damage. Some of the issues here may be hard to cover with only other safety devices. I recommend you wire your solenoids with spade clips, so you can easily disconnect them, and test them on a regular basis. Simply disconnect them from the rest of the wiring, then ground one side, and connect the other side to 12V, and listen for the click-click to make sure they open and close. Some folks will also use two nitrous solenoids, in-line, which will ensure that both would have to fail before the flow would fail to stop. Of course you still need to test this setup, to ensure one isn't stuck open. Basic Tuning All of the kit systems will come with a couple tuning setups, labeled "50-shot", "100-shot", etc. These are tuned to provide 50, 100, or other horsepower amounts, usually measured at the crank (i.e., measured on a chassis dyno you'll get a bit less). I consider these a starting point, and certainly good for your first passes (hopefully you'll make these with the lowest power, until you tune the system up). Once you've got the system installed and functional, though, tuning it is paramount, before running any serious power through it. I really recommend you do this tuning right away, even though the temptation will be strong to just go out and enjoy the power. This is the time you're very likely to do some serious damage to the motor, so it's important to get it set up right. Jets All nitrous systems use "jets" inserted in the fuel or nitrous lines to limit the flow. These jets have openings of a specific size, measured in thousandths of an inch. So a "35 jet" is a jet with a hole drilled 0.035" through it. Increasing a nitrous jet size will make the system run more lean, increasing the fuel jet size will make the system run more rich. There's also a good web site with a jet size calculator on it for a wet setup (where you're metering the fuel and nitrous yourself). It will give you jet sizes based on desired horsepower, fuel and nitrous pressure. I recommend you use these as a target, maybe start a bit richer than shown. Scanner Tuning A PCM scanner (Diacom, Autotap, etc) is crucial to successful tuning of your nitrous system. I run most of my nitrous passes while logging with an Autotap, and also use it at the dyno. You'll be monitoring the oxygen sensor voltages, knock, etc, and adjusting the jets to provide the best combination. Note, though, that the stock oxygen sensors are not particularly good, and a wideband O2 sensor (say, at a dyno) is much better to use if you have access to one. Typical O2 values should be around 860-880mv (higher is richer) when running the motor normally aspirated, and I try to tune mine to 900-940 on nitrous. As mentioned above, you'll adjust jet sizes up or down to enrich or lean out the mixture. You'll probably see some knock during a shift, but should see none otherwise. You can add timing retard to reduce knock. Dyno Tuning Doing your scanner tuning at a dyno provides another benefit, since you can see the power the engine is generating, while you tune the system. It also makes the whole tuning process Purge Most nitrous systems are build with a purge feature. The purpose of a purge is to get liquid nitrous oxide up to the front of the car, filling the hoses with nitrous rather than air. To do this, another solenoid is used, but rather than shooting the nitrous into the motor, it's usually shot up over the hood, so you can purge until it creates a nice fog. It also looks real cool . Of course, no fuel is used during a purge. Bottle Heater It's virtually mandatory that you install your nitrous system with a bottle heater, which is used to raise up the temperature of the bottle, and therefore increase the pressure at which the nitrous is delivered. If you don't use one, your pressure will quickly drop and won't supply the volume of nitrous your vehicle was tuned for. Remote Bottle Opener Normally, your nitrous bottle should be kept closed, with no pressure in the nitrous lines. But when you're lined up against that guy that just looks a bit too fast, you'd hate to say "excuse me, do you mind if I hop out and open my bottle in the trunk?". Easy solution, get a remote bottle opener! Most vendors have such a device, which allows you to open the bottle electrically via a switch on your dash. Collateral Damage You can break tons of other parts on your car by running nitrous, or any other large power adder. Running slicks at the track will just accelerate the damage. Here are a few things to keep in mind. Clutch The huge torque spike at low rpm's is particularly hard on clutches. I had to buy a new clutch as soon as I made my first pass with nitrous on slicks. Keep in mind, on a manual transmission car, you're likely to need one too. Tires With all the extra power, you'll have trouble hooking up with any traction, especially on street tires. You'll probably have to use drag radials at least, or slicks if you're adding any significant power. So youve got your nitrous system installed and you're ready to go, what do you do next? Well after you get your system professionally installed, its highly advised to take it to a reputable and trusted performance center to tune your vehicle. However, youll need a couple test runs to ensure the system is working properly. Below are some steps you need to take to ensure a safe and efficent test run.
Once you are on the road and ready for a test run, open the bottle valve completely. You should hear a very faint to moderatly loud noise coming from the bottle. This is the nitrous filling the lines. Once you've made sure the bottle valve is completly opened, you're ready to purge the lines (if applicable). Hit the purge button until you see a white plume of nitrous, then immediatly let go. Purging is not for show, its for cleaning out any debris or air in the nitrous lines. Now be aware, once the swich is activated it will engage the system at WOT and youll instantly feel the extra pull of your car. Dont get carried away, run the nitrous for the duration of one gear and deactivate the system. This step isnt necessary but it prevents any screw ups. After the run, remove the spark plugs and check for any signs of lean or rich A/F mixture. This is NOT the most effective way of tuning your nitrous system, but itll do until you get to the dyno. Now onto scheduling that dyno tuning day! ( If your vehicle is equipped with a piggy back a/f adjustment device such as the S-AFC) -Check your local performance forums for a trusted tuning shop in your area. -Call them up and schedule a tuning session. Most shops will ask you how the car will be tuned. ( For example- " Ill be tuning my vehicle on and off nitrous with an APEX SAFC.) - Be sure to tell them you will need a Wideband O2 bung installed downstream. ( Tailpipe sniffers are NOT an effective form of tuning and SHOULD not be trusted. If a shop tells you that the sniffer is fine for tuning, FIND ANOTHER SHOP.) Things to take and remember on your dyno day! -Be sure your system is running in perfect condition ( I.E- no frayed wires on TPS Switch, loose lines, etc) -Be sure to have a full topped off bottle of nitrous ( If you wish, freeze the bottle before you go to take it for filling) -Be sure to carry numerous amounts of nitrous and fuel jets. ( You may have to call ZEX or NX for the appropriate sizes and jettings, better to have too many than too little and not be able to tune your system). -Fill up your tank with Premium ( you should be running this anyways) Once you are at the shop, they will take care of the rest for you. They have many options to go with on your APEX so let them take control. Ok, so now you're equipped with a tuned Nitrous'd Cougar. But remember, the wideband O2 bung welded downstream of your exhaust system? Well you know have the option to go with a data logger to monitor your A/F REAL TIME! Wideband dataloggers and systems cost a good bit of money , but are invaluable to the tuning and safety aspect of your Cougar. (GOOGLE KEYWORDS: FJO Wideband, AEM UEGO, WIDEBAND O2) A common misconception among tuners new to this whole , air/fuel ratio talk, consider the gauges that can be bought at an auto parts store is sufficient enough to tune your car. WRONG. These 40 dollar A/F gauges do absolutely nothing to help tuning your vehicle, since they run on what is called a narrow band O2. Common dash mounted air fuel meters make use of one, three or four wire factory installed oxygen sensors which are not capable of providing a linear output. These sensors, by design, will read a high voltage with an air/fuel mixture below stoichiometric (14.7:1) and a low voltage above this point. Beyond this narrow operating point, the meter has no way of accurately and reliably differentiating between 12:1 and 13:1, or conversely, 15:1 and 18:1. THESE ARE NOT WIDEBAND A/F GAUGES! ![]() ![]() THESE [b] ARE] WIDEBAND A/F METERS/GAUGES ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Well I hope that pretty much covers a good bit of the world of nitrous use. If you have any questions, feel free to post here or private message me. If you send a message to me that is covered here in the FAQ, I will either reply with a link to this thread again, or not resond at all. I hold no responsibility for the information in this thread, and use nitrous at your own discretion! If you are in the Southeast and need an excellent tuning shop, contact me.Thanks and happy spraying, George
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RE: Nitrous Oxide - FAQ (Ressurected!)
Awesome. Ill definetly be referring to this thread alot within the next couple months hehe.
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RE:Nitrous Oxide - FAQ (Ressurected!)
Also the last one had a spark plug page ,am I right
I found this so here.
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RE:Nitrous Oxide - FAQ (Ressurected!)
I got one question after reading all this ...
Can I use Nitrous on a V6 ATX ... I haven't seen any questions specific on the automatic transmission capabilities with nitrous? If so ... do I need anything extra ? Thanks |
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RE:Nitrous Oxide - FAQ (Ressurected!)
One thing to be added i would think is the whole thing with return fuel systems and return-less and what nitrous systems you can use on them! Ex: Wet vs. Dry
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the general info is good, but we should also record the various setups people have successfully installed and used.
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RE: Nitrous Oxide - FAQ (Ressurected!)
OMG!!! SOMEONE WHO FINALLY SAID SOMETHING RIGHT ABOUT N20!!!
For years I have argued with hundreds of people that N2O is not a fuel, but an oxidizer! You are the FIRST person EVER that has made a factual statement about the way N2O actually works. (refering to it "allowing more fuel to be burned") Sorry, I just got a little too excited and had to get that out. LOL BTW, I did want to mention though that even with an a/f gauge wether stock or wideband, they can be helpful, but are very useless for safety. An O2 sensor cycles very slowely compared to how quick N2O can lean a motor out doing permanent damage. The most important gauge IMO is an EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp.) These gauges have a sensor immediately outside of one of the exhaust ports and will give you an instant reading if your motor goes lean - letting you know to turn off the N20 immediately! You should also, do a full compression test on all of your cyclinders. If any 1 or more cyl's is low, do not use N20, you should also do a wet test and the same thing applies. If any one cyl is low after adding a few drops of oil, do not use it either. As far as the fuel system goes, a fuel pump is great, but won't necessarily help if you are using a dry system since it's relying on your car's injectors for its source of fuel. Your injectors can only flow so much (dependant on their size). At minimum you should purchase a FPR (fuel pressure regulator) This will allow you to adjust your fuel pressure higher than stock. They are inexpensive, and very easy to install. If your budget allows, a good set of RC Engineering injectors is a very good idea with N20. I have usually suggested 10% over stock for 50HP and below, and 15-20% over stock for a 50-100HP kit. Artichawk: Using nitrous is no different on an ATX than any other performance mod. Anything that increases HP will make added stress for your transmittion, I used nitrous on my Auto Accord for about a year with no problems, then all of the sudden one day, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear all basically shattered, there were chunks of metal everywhere. Amazingly, 1st gear seamed to be brand new! The one difference of N20 that you will have to be careful with is that it is "instant power". You will not want to use it right off the line because of the sudden shock, launch in 1st gear normally, then switch it on as soon as you shift into 2nd gear. You may also want to check into some upgraded parts if they are available. You may want to check with Level 10, there are a few other companies that also make automatic parts, but I can't think of them off hand. |
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RE:Nitrous Oxide - FAQ (Ressurected!)
Okay kind of a newbie on Nitrous.
I have been reading a lot and have read every faq/comment/suggestion i could find about nitrous on ZEX; Venom and NEX websites and now on NECO .. this FAQ has by far been the most informative piece of writing i have seen as yet. Thank you so very much to Nemesis for compiling this. There is one question that may have been covered a little in the FAQ but not to my understanding as yet. I have accertained that a wet-nitrous kit is the one to use on my 2000 returnless MTX cougar and is a bit safer as you are feeding fuel as well as the N2O into the engine. My uncertainty arrises from the fact that nowhere have a read anything about where and how to tie into the fuel line. On NEX's instruction manual link on the website, i read through the installation manual of their "EFI stage 1 kit" (i believe the same one is for sale on CC) it shows how and where to tie into this fuel line, but not on a cougar. I was just checking to see if anyone could give me any feedback on their installations and which seemed the easiest solution. My second uncertainty was what the best fuel pressure guages to use are (electrical/mechanical -- pors/cons). My guess was that a fuel pressure guage would be the best indicator to whether or not your engine is about to run lean and do the dangerous pyrotechnics that everyone warns about. I would think that a Nitrous boost/pressure guage used in conjunction with the fuel pressure guage would be a great indicator or 'warning light' should i say of impending disaster. With the reports on the varying efficiency and likely failure of our fuel pumps, I would guess that it going out while under WOT and spraying could be calamatous to say the least.. My final couple question, if you will, are what are the advantages to adding a purge valve and what exactly is it 'purging'? Secondly how important is it to maintain a certain temperature(ie:a bottle heater/blanket) whilst the car is sitting and the bottle turned off. I ask this as i am located in colorado springs and the temperature drops dramatically in winter. I read a post about a 'bottle exploding'. Even though N2O is not flamable there were pictures of this as well, so i got to questioning. Thank you once again for reading my concerns. I only question as i really want to add a some 'squeeze' to my cougar.Please respond and let me know if my slow-dawning understanding of nitrous is starting to take shape or if i branched off on a tangent to nowhere.. Thanks much
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