GB: HPI cougar bodies (check your inbox for refund information) [Archive] - Page 2

JScullin

09-28-2006, 10:05 PM

If I don't get that info I asked for a few days ago I'm going to assume the worst and have everyone do what they can to be issued a refund. Since we're approaching the 45 day dispute claim limit for Paypal, and HPI told me they haven't had any order placed for that particular mold I need to look out for the safety of our members.

To my knowledge you've made no effort to resolve your outstanding transaction with sitbacknwatch and despite what I said to you over the phone and PM's you haven't made an effort to get back to me.

Be it you or your g/f need to make it a priority to get me that info so I can confirm the order was placed and I will apologize for dragging this out. If I don't see it by 9pm tomorrow I will open a dispute and ask that others do the same.

Saleen Cougar

09-28-2006, 11:18 PM

wadespencer99

09-28-2006, 11:36 PM

So Jscullin should have the info by now, right?

Saleen Cougar

09-28-2006, 11:45 PM

copy/pasting e-mail's and creditcard statements now

hamill

09-29-2006, 01:11 AM

or you could just post who you ordered them from at HPI so we all know they were ordered. :biggrin:

Sitbacknwatch

09-29-2006, 01:14 AM

john, i said i would e-mail you the stuff, but up untill 2 minutes ago i didnt have your e-mail address. and if you want your money back untill the bodies come in, i have no problems returning the money. that goes with any person involved in the group buy. and i have tried to resolve isuues with sitbackandwatch, but i get no reply. and once again i bring up the fact, you contact other people trying to get info on this, before contacting me.

tried to resolve? BS u dicked me around for a month... then when i brought a dispute up against you, you flipped a ****... Wouldnt send the item until i dropped the claim, paypal says not to do that.. You just refunded my money tonight... You are shady galore.... AND that thread was locked for reasons unknown to me....

mosoblkcougar

09-29-2006, 01:24 AM

I've sent PM's to JScullin, ov3n, and lbizboy updating them on the transaction between myself and Saleen Cougar.
Nathan

bensenvill

09-29-2006, 01:50 AM

well this is going downhill quickly

JScullin

09-29-2006, 07:47 AM

Thanks mos, for getting back to me with that. Sorry I had to drag it out in this thread.

The reason I'm being really aggressive with this is because of the recent problems we've had with transactions. It started getting shady so I had to check up on it. I could've simply been PM'd with the info Saleen, but as of writing this now I don't have an email from you. And yes, I still want the shell if this all checks out.

shadowfox28

09-29-2006, 09:08 AM

hehehehe i cant wait!

JScullin

10-03-2006, 11:52 PM

Can you refund me my money until I see a picture of these at your house, ready to ship?

The info you gave me was useless to them. They just needed an order number and its taken forever for you to get me that. I only have 2 more days before the dispute limit is up and I don't wanna be left w/out an opt-out option here. So if I don't see it tomorrow, for whatever reason, I open a dispute.

$30 was the total.

wadespencer99

10-03-2006, 11:53 PM

Same here. I can't afford to be giving away 30 dollars if this isn't legit, and it isn't appearing that it is.

I'll take a refund back. Thanks. I'll be glad to pay once I see the bodies, as JScullin said.

CincyZetec

10-04-2006, 10:36 AM

i asked for my money back to and i got a response saying:

Quote:
Originally Posted by cougarpimp916
i've been seeing that lately u've been having some shady transactions and this hpi body thing is looking real shady to me too w/ no updates and other people posting about u acting kinda shady. because of this, i would really like my money back. please refund my paypal payment. thanks.

Originally Posted by Saleen Cougar
if you would like a refund, i need your real name, and email. furthermore. how am i supposed to make any more updates on the hpi bodies???? i posted the date of production.

not to b a dick about this, but saleen, i'd recommend giving out the simple info that people ask for if u'd like to sell these. if these were ordered like u said they were then there would b no problem giving people the order date and things like that. just my 2 cents.

EternalOne

10-04-2006, 11:00 AM

I dunno, but it surely isn't Oct 11th on my calendar... It's a shame when so many people get screwed on here that even a simple transaction gets a run-down. Mark posted the dates the bodies would be produced, if you don't want to wait that long (or don't trust him enough) then fine, I will pay for YOUR bodies -- just like I paid for the extras that were not able to be sold. Then when they come I will start putting the damn things on Ebay, highest bidder wins -- no guarenteed pricing since I am fronting the money. For gods sake people, its not like this is $500 -- its a freakin 20 spot... I got more than that in bottles to return in my garage.

E1

CincyZetec

10-04-2006, 11:38 AM

ok, granted it's not oct 11th yet, but as i read it there hasn't even been an order placed. i've read posts of people asking for a date they were orderd and other info related to that and nothing has yet presented itself. that's y i am requesting my money back. if they were ordered right when the money was all collected (early-mid sept) they wouldn't have even been started to b made until oct 11th. if they haven't been ordered yet (the impression i'm getting) then it'll still b another month+ until they r shipped. i don't want to have $50 of my money tied up that long and lose my right to file a paypal complaint.

BigBalledOX

10-04-2006, 11:50 AM

John, not everyone knows Mark as well as you do. Hell, I've met the kid a few times and like him, but even I can't help but feel a little uneasy over this whole thing.

Maybe things look different from where you are, but for me, they look kinda iffy right now, based on numerous factors. And keep in mind man, $20 may be pocket change to you, but to some of us $20 is a pretty good chunk of cold, hard cash.

There's been a lot of ugliness on here in the last couple of weeks. I don't know whether it's deserved or not, because I don't know the full story. Nor does anyone else, besides Mark. And I'm not trying to call him out or make him look like a bad guy, but he's not exactly stepping up to the plate to help put to rest the concerns the people involved in this have.

I just wanna see this resolved in a matter that is satisfactory to everyone involved.

wadespencer99

10-04-2006, 11:55 AM

Between all of the recent posts in Transaction Feedback involving him, and the fact that HPI hasn't heard of the order and has no record of it (as far as we know now....he still needs to get Scullin the order number) I'm more than a little nervous about this.

I trust what you've said E1, as well as all of the other MCNECO guys that have stuck up for him. And yes, to me 20 or 30 dollars is a decent amount of money...more than I'm willing to let someone keep for nothing. I have a little under two weeks before the 45 days are up to file the paypal claim, so that should be plenty of time, and I really hope this is sorted out.

Lunar Limelight

10-04-2006, 12:18 PM

Here we go again. The radio was recieved and the money was returned. Problem solved. So one bad transaction and then all hell breaks loose? I do not want to be asked where these are. This is not my deal, just beacuse i'm easier to get ahold of then him dosn't mean I know. But if it matters i've seen the triple digit charge to his account. This is stupid, it's making me sick.

EternalOne

10-04-2006, 12:23 PM

While I agree Mark could have done more to pacify the fears in here, I don't believe it was warranted. I've seen group buys go on much longer, and with much less info, and yet have 1/2 as much drama. He gave a production date, just because not everyone at HPI knows we ordered a special batch to be produced doesn't mean crap. Hell, I get phone calls all the time from people who ordered products from my shop and I had no idea about it -- and we're 1/10th the size of HPI. I'm damn sure the sales guys vs the production guys have next to zero communication internally, plus you most likely have sales guys that won't talk to other sales guys, simply because they don't want to lose out on their "market niche" (ie- a Cougar website for toy Cougar body sales)... I mean seriously, I just don't see the problem here...

And it's not like those of us at MC would let one of our core members screw over ppl on here -- ya'll should know that as a chapter we've done more to keep this community alive than anyone else, we're not about to soil our good name by a bad group buy thru one of our people...

E1

wadespencer99

10-04-2006, 12:29 PM

Then hopefully you can get Mark to give up the info needed to check on the order....if it's all legit anyway, that shouldn't be such a big deal.

People are just nervous after all of the tr0nic **** came to a head, and because Mark had a couple questionable deals lately in transaction feedback and didn't seem to be doing much to help resolve it, and I know of one for about $300.00 that wasn't even posted in transaction feedback...he also had Brad calling him out for $500.00.....that's why people are nervous. If it all checks out, then it's over, which I hope is what will happen. I can't imagine that he would premeditate this big of a rip-off scam either, but I don't know him. I think most people are taking MCNECOs word over his at this point because the group of you are a very respectable and well-organized chapter.

If it's all legit, it shouldn't be a big deal to give up the order number so it can be checked, should it? :shrug:

Oh, and Shadowfox...one more time - :gtfo: - If 30 bucks isn't that big of a deal to you, I'll give you my paypal address so your mommy can send it to me for nothing.

Lunar Limelight

10-04-2006, 12:34 PM

Well for one thing Mark won't be able to do anything until tonight. He works and DOES NOT have access to the internet. So He cann't do anything right now.

JScullin

10-04-2006, 12:41 PM

This all started because it was brought to my attention that he had that transaction issue with two people and looked like he was trying to avoid resolving it. Then this GB came up and some people thought it might be a way to get money from others to pay back someone else, or keep for himself.

So trying to be proactive on this since a few members are involved I called HPI (before recieving Mark's info) and spoke with a few people. This was a couple weeks after he said he placed the order and nobody could confirm such an order was placed within the 3 week window I gave them. One person even contacted accounting to check on what little info I had at the time. It was then I was told that if an order like that was placed, it would take all of 15 minutes to press out the shells since it's just a metal mold that gets swapped in place for casting on the line.

So at this point I got concerned and contacted Mark by phone asking for the info and explaining why. He was cool about it and assured me everything was legit. I simply told him I was looking out for the community as a whole since it was quite a few people and I wanted to quell any doubts. He said he'd get me the info the next day and it never happened. Between the lapses in response and not getting the info ASAP it seemed like the typical "string-em-along" type scam that's been pulled here before.

I'm choosing to err on the side of caution here. And if it turns out to be all a big misunderstanding then so be it. I just hate seeing members get screwed because they get too trusting of people here and if it was something I could prevent behind the scenes that would be great. Unfortunatly because of all th delays it was dragged into the open so that others were at least aware. I was the first to pay (Aug. 19th) so I was the first that needed to act within the Paypal dispute limit.

Maybe to avoid such problems in the future an Admin or Mod must be involved in a GB so that any and all information can be confirmed.

CincyZetec

10-04-2006, 12:46 PM

personally, i think that a group buy where everyone has to pay up-front w/ out any kind of proof that the sale is legit is stupid. (i.e. e-mails from supplier, supplier has stocked items, something like that) i think that if there's going to b a group buy in the future, that something like that should b required b4 any money is asked for to avoid stupid sh*t like this

EternalOne

10-04-2006, 01:14 PM

Bah, I'm done... Mark, call me if people drop out, I've already picked up the spares from other drop-outs, might as well pick up ALL of the spares from you. When these come in, I will be putting them on Ebay, at a higher cost for my troubles.

People, you need to realize that group buys come with some associated risk -- its what you deal with for getting a cheaper price. Don't like it, don't pay, and don't benefit -- it's that simple. I've built a considerable nest-egg by these very type of risks... Those that play the game benefit, those that don't can sit on the sidelines and cry all they want...

E1

JScullin

10-04-2006, 01:36 PM

First off, why would you list them on eBay for a higher cost when someone can order it through HPI for cheaper?

Secondly, not all GB come with risks. If ov3n, you or Crispy even were to start a GB nobody would bat an eye about it being suspicious. But the timing of this an his previous transaction threw a flag.

I once vouched for tr0nic because he had delays in shipping out items. Look how well that turned out.

CincyZetec

10-04-2006, 01:53 PM

y should there b ne risk in it? a group buy is exactly what its name says: a group of people buying a group of parts. in other words, buying in bulk. not a group of people giving someone some money and hoping they get something. and definately not risking getting screwed on a deal.

EternalOne

10-04-2006, 05:36 PM

There is always risk involved when you send money to someone, and they promise to send you a product back. There is always that "chance" that they will screw you, no matter who they are.

First off, why would you list them on eBay for a higher cost when someone can order it through HPI for cheaper?

Because HPI never has these in stock. Did you miss the whole reason for this GB Scully? ;) I tried getting these before Mark called, they were out of stock and not slated to be produced again anytime soon. The only way I could get them produced was to buy bulk -- and I didn't want 25 Cougar bodies.

an his previous transaction threw a flag

I understand you're just trying to protect people, but I think the issue was brought up a bit too soon, and assumptions were made too rapidly. Right from the get-go I think his last transaction feedback was a kid getting too worried, too soon as well. People demand instant replies to PM's, and think you should be able to follow a thread all day long, especially after a few people got screwed on here. Mark's a good guy, and even though I haven't seen any documentation on this I believe him -- because I truely believe he would bend over backwards to make sure that he DOESN'T screw anyone over.

He stated the date they were going to be produced, had this been my GB that's all the info you'd have gotten from me. As soon as someone called the GB shady and wanted the info on who I had talked to and what-not I'd have cancelled and pulled myself outta the deal, if ya can't trust me, then don't deal with me. (shrug)

E1

JScullin

10-04-2006, 06:20 PM

A good month had gone by since the initial start of the GB. I only started asking for info in the past 2 weeks. In that time there would be days between him getting back to me, even when he was shown to have accessed the board between then. And of all the info he gave me, why the order # wasn't included is beyond me.

I know he said the cars wouldn't be produced till the 11th of October, but that contradicted what the girl on the phone said (she did say they were about to discontinue them). I simply wanted to check up on it.

BigBalledOX

10-04-2006, 06:23 PM

I just hope we can all sit around a campfire, holding hands and singing "Cumbaya" when this is all over.

Lunar Limelight

10-04-2006, 06:33 PM

I just hope we can all sit around a campfire, holding hands and singing "Cumbaya" when this is all over.

You're tell me. Somebody better be bringing extra chocolate cuz I'm not a happy camper right now. :(

10-04-2006, 06:35 PM

Lunar Limelight can u please tell your vato to get in the forums and clear this up...

Lunar Limelight

10-04-2006, 06:41 PM

Lunar Limelight can u please tell your vato to get in the forums and clear this up...

First- I don't mean to come off as a biatch, if you know me you know that I am not one.

Second- this is not my problem, it's his. I can only offer my few words, those being that I've seen the e-mails and that I am not worried about it. People seem to lack patience. So don't ask me.

Third- Some people happen to work, Mark happens to be one of those working types. He dosn't have a desk job to surf the fourms. He works from 7am to 7pm and does NOT have the internet. So there is NO WAY for him to check the boards. I have notified him today of the situation already. His phone really isn't that hard to get if your so worried. Go look in the 2.5L help thread. His number is there if it's such a big deal. All day I have been reading question upon why he hasn't posted today. That was because he was at work and again has NO internet.

10-04-2006, 06:45 PM

so if he know's whats happening we should get the info tomorrow right?

LostRacer

10-04-2006, 07:01 PM

No disrespect to Mark..but if he knows he's as busy as he is..he really shouldn't try to take on a responsibility like this. Maybe go in with a friend or GF even to handle matters while he's working. It would save him the headache later. He's had people sticking up for him which is cool. But they can't deny the fact that ball was dropped on this as well as his other transactions. People get busy in life. Thats a given. But you still need to handle your business. Scully has talked to him already..I don't know what the deal is. However it looks like that didn't do much good either. In the least if he was having issues, asking for assistance shouldn't be out of range. Most people understand that you can't be online 24/7. Communication is key. In life or business. Good Luck on this to both sides. I hope everything comes out ok. Mark's alwasys seemed to be cool to me. So there is no beef here. Just an observation.

JScullin

10-04-2006, 07:36 PM

I just hope we can all sit around a campfire, holding hands and singing "Cumbaya" when this is all over.

Really. I still want one in the end.

BigBalledOX

10-04-2006, 08:23 PM

Really. I still want one in the end.

I was hoping a little humor would ligten the situation. :tongue: I still want one as well.

Saleen Cougar

10-04-2006, 09:03 PM

ok let me try and answer one of your rants at a time.

Q: were the bodies ordered
A: yes
Q: why haven't you suplied the info
A: i have sent PM's to JScullin
Q: why arent you responding to these post
A: i dont have a comfy desk job, i am a mechanic
Q: why dont you post the e-mails/ statements
A: even tho i have no artistic ability what-so-ever and can barly draw a stick figure, you will say i photoshoped it
Q: why wont you post who you talked to at hpi, and the order number
A: i dont want to flood hpi with a million calls, and i supplied Jscullin with this info

my question to you:
if you had a question/ consern why didnt you contact me?
not one single person here with the exception of jscullin ever contacted me, not by phone, not by PM, not by IM, not by email.

RodneyBur

10-04-2006, 09:33 PM

Just thought I'd point out that everyone was trying to contact him via this thread. Thats how most group buys work...they use the thread for information and discussion. I don't think I would want my PM box flooded with a ton of messages on a group buy asking all the same questions. I'm patient though.

He gave a production date and plenty of relevant info. Good enough for me for now. Would you keep asking the company for more info? Badgering them may get someone pissed and the order cancelled.

If I was doing a group buy I wouldn't give out my contact information for the company either. Plenty of people on here would be trying to bypass him and go straight to the company. He is the contact for the company. I also think he has the right to make a few extra bucks for his time involved in setting up the buy, contacting the company, shipping items, and making the effort for getting it going. Thats another reason not to give out the compnay contact info. Hell he could be getting these for 10 bucks and if that got out I'm sure people would have something to say about it. In the end you can't please everyone so if you don't have the patience to wait then file a dispute with paypal and get your money back.

JScullin

10-04-2006, 09:39 PM

There's no problem with making something extra for organizing a GB. I would assume that if someone started a GB they would roll the price of the item for themselves into the costs of everyone else (this obviously doesn't work for everything).

I had called HPI twice. Once at the start, and again when I had some info. Unfortunatly it wasn't what they could use.

wadespencer99

10-04-2006, 09:42 PM

Mark - you didn't supply the order number which is apparently the only thing HPI can use to verify the order. Can you please post that or PM it to Scullin?

I have nothing against you, and I hope everything checks out ok....for the sake of yourself, and everyone here, and the fact that I really want an HPI Cougar body, but please....do your part to make us confident. Get Scullin the order number. Call HPI back if you have to. I understand you don't have internet access, but I bet you have a cell phone and a lunch break....

Rodney - It is usually good enough, but as mentioned, suspicions were aroused in this case because of the recent activity in transaction feedback concerning him.

ClaymoreWW

10-04-2006, 10:17 PM

for the record...i paid for two shells...and will wait this out - mark has my confidence.

--george

Drewmanfu0

10-04-2006, 11:36 PM

Its nearly impossible for a single person in a company to know every order and what the status is.
simply put the bodies have been ordered, I have faith within the next couple weeks we will be hearing more news.
Wow, I didnt realize you worked those hours, Mark. Its a major task to take on with the bodies and all. If you need help with shipping let me know. I can get the right size boxes to use from my old job that will cut down on your cost.

Let me know,
Andrew

RodneyBur

10-10-2006, 08:50 PM

Tomorrows the day of production. :)

nadthomas

10-10-2006, 09:32 PM

Yeaaaa.

Keep us posted SaleenCougar. Oh, and can you update your orginal post showning that I paid, just so it doesn't look like I'm some huge slacker.

Thanks,
Dan

Lunar Limelight

10-11-2006, 12:03 PM

Everyone paid.

RodneyBur

10-11-2006, 11:04 PM

The day came and went and no new news. Can someone in contact with him tell him to call HPI and make sure everything went ok with the production.

fordrule

10-12-2006, 09:27 AM

well u can just ship it to my house in GA. i leave here soon enough

MaverickFlyer

10-12-2006, 01:09 PM

Any News?

Lunar Limelight

10-12-2006, 01:31 PM

HPI called Mark yesterday and were produced at noon yesterday.

MaverickFlyer

10-12-2006, 02:50 PM

HPI called Mark yesterday and were produced at noon yesterday.

So when do we get them? :biggrin:

Lunar Limelight

10-12-2006, 02:57 PM

So when do we get them? :biggrin:
impatient much? :disgust: I don't know.
I'll let ya all know when they get here.

shadowfox28

10-15-2006, 04:34 PM

hehehe still cant wait... so wats the price for the best hpi cougar at fest next year???

BigBalledOX

10-15-2006, 04:36 PM

hehehe still cant wait... so wats the price for the best hpi cougar at fest next year???

Did you seriously just spell "prize" price? How about we find out what the "price" for lowest IQ is, since we already know who's winning that. :rolleyes:

shadowfox28

10-15-2006, 08:13 PM

^ i is

RodneyBur

10-15-2006, 08:21 PM

How many days does everyone have left to file the paypal claim. I have 4 left and know most people paid before I did. I'm just wondering because Its been 4 days (counting today) since the production date and SaleenCougar has yet to post any updates himself. I'm not willing to get stiffed on my 48 bucks and am not willing to just let me dispute period expire.

So I ask Salleen if he has a tracking number from HPI to show that the items have been shipped out from them and want to know when he will be receiving them and how soon after he has them will they be put in the mail. I am also expecting pictures of the HPI Bodies at his house as soon as he recieves them. I think I have been patient and understanding but just letting this group buy to continue without any updates on your part is ludicrous. I also think that letting this group buy continue as it has been without any action on my part is just plain dumb.

Any excuses about not having a computer, working late, or whatever is unacceptable by anyone else other than you posting the info on here. You started this group buy and promised the product and have been paid. I would expect you to understand the situation and issues surrounding your membership in NECO and expect some sort of resolution taken on your part.

I don't mean to be rude or insulting (if you took anything that way) but did want my expectations and concerns to be clearly understood.

Thanks.

Rodney.

pioneer

10-16-2006, 12:58 PM

I've kept quiet for a while now, as I thought I'd give Saleen the benefit of the doubt despite not knowing him personally. However, I've got to say that the amount (or lack) of communication is a becoming little disconcerting.

All people want is some simple answers, which you should be able to provide in your capacity as group buy organiser. I don't want to come across as being impatient or rude but its getting a bit beyond a joke now. In all honesty if you aren't able to provide the info you probably shouldn't have started the GB in the first place. :confused:

wadespencer99

10-16-2006, 01:26 PM

How many days does everyone have left to file the paypal claim. I have 4 left and know most people paid before I did.

Tomorrow is day 45 for me. It would be nice to have some sort of update, especially considering all of the sour transactions he has been involved in lately, whether they are all his fault, or just lousy coincidences, it still makes me nervous.

I think it's also a little strange that he has all but disapeared from the boards since all of this started. I understand he works a lot, but there are 24 hours in a day....

mosoblkcougar

10-16-2006, 10:01 PM

He hasn't logged in since October 6th...
Nathan

wadespencer99

10-16-2006, 10:02 PM

He hasn't logged in since October 6th...
Nathan

:eek:

I just checked the AtomicInternet boards, and he posted over there as recently as yesterday.

Lisa - I'm sure you're watching this....Is he planning on updating this? It's getting ridiculous....If I had this many people questioning me, I'd be recording phone calls to HPI and posting them up. Now he hasn't been logged in for 10 days? :crazy:

Sitbacknwatch

10-16-2006, 10:06 PM

yet you know he's a good guy and all... so im told =/

id seriosly reccommend that anyone who paid him money to put in a claim, not that you'd get any money back... his bank info is all messed up on paypal, according to the guy i talked to on the phone... Call you're CC companys and try and do chargebacks...

Saleen Cougar

10-16-2006, 11:49 PM

hello all. you bodies are en-route from hpi now. any mc-neco member willing to help sort them all out, and stuff them in the boxes are more then welcome to help. (my contact info is on www.mc-neco.com (http://www.mc-neco.com)) i am not that hard to get a hold of. i have not been on recintly for three reasons, 1. i have been working a lot and i am tired when i get home, 2 for the last week or so i have been sick (that would also tie into reason #1) and reason #3 is, when i tuned on my computer, all that would happen is that it would come up in a dos like promt saying "GRUB". well back to the bodies. they were produced (twice actually) on wendsday. durring the first batch there was some problem when they molded(or stamped, i am not positive on how they are made) the front end was not up to their specifacations. that was around 11am. the re-did the entire run, as well as tower hobbies run at 230 in the afternoon. after the cool down period, and all the triming was done, each body was inspected, insted of there usual inspection were they randomly inspect them. on friday afternoon they were shiped via DHL to my house. the expected delivery date is wensday morning.

Sitbacknwatch

10-16-2006, 11:51 PM

well im sure you have a tracking number... why dont you give it to the fine people of neco?

EternalOne

10-17-2006, 12:35 PM

bensenvill

10-17-2006, 01:03 PM

For gods sakes people didn't ***** this much over the coilovers that took a year to get...

oh trust me we did!

Sitbacknwatch

10-17-2006, 01:07 PM

well sorry im gettin on you're last nerve... but do whatever it takes to get my money back or what i paid for...

BigBalledOX

10-17-2006, 01:11 PM

oh trust me we did!

Yeah. You should have seen some of the emails I sent.

EternalOne

10-17-2006, 01:38 PM

My point was the complaining on the coilovers didn't start instantly, it took a bit to build up. People here are talking about putting in claims and such when the parts have been produced, are shipped, and everything has been on schedule. This all came up because Scully called HPI and someone there didn't know wtf they were talking about. So this blew all up, when in fact there was nothing wrong (besides a little lack of info), but people instantly started demanding all sorts of crap -- it got real old, real quick.

Sitbacknwatch, I don't see your name on the GB list, so why again are you posting in this thread?

E1

JScullin

10-17-2006, 01:38 PM

Sitbacknwatch, why don't you shut the hell up?

You're really getting on my last nerve here with this ****. I (me personally) will be helping Lisa package these to ship them out. Anyone has a problem with this, contact ME and I will GLADLY refund your money, as I stated before. You hear that? I am FUNDING THIS now. If Mark stiffs anyone, I will repay you out of my own pocket -- so don't go starting freaking claims and BS, everyone knows I'm good for the cash, I just want the damn *****ing and moaning to stop. For gods sakes people didn't ***** this much over the coilovers that took a year to get...

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Well, he had plenty of chances to get me the correct info and never did. It really could've been a simple solution that, looking back, was well warranted since he still owes people a good amount of money. It's been 2 weeks since I filed the Paypal dispute and have yet to recieve my refund because Paypal is having problems with his account and his bank tied to it. He has all the time to post on Atomics board, yet couldn't touch base here for over a week?

Do you have the tracking number? Does it all check out? All I asked for from the beginging was an order # so I could confirm it was placed and it would've ended there. And after all this BS about him being so busy I probably wouldn't be surprised if when these did finally show up at his house they sat there for weeks while they trickled out to other members.

So if you wanna send me $28.95 and keep the shell for eBay so be it. Sucks cause I really do want one, but he had responsibilities to uphold when starting this GB. Feel free to refund everyone else he owe's money too since you trust him.

EternalOne

10-17-2006, 01:43 PM

I already talked to Mark about this 2 weeks ago. He was fed up with everyones complaining (as was I), therefore I told him I would take care of this group buy, including shipping the parts and refunding anyone who doesn't want theirs or who wants to file a dispute.

I said this to you before Scully, I feel that the trigger was pulled a little soon on this -- I understand why you did it, but even after I said I'd cover everyone the *****ing continued. I have not received a single PM about this GB -- not a single person asking for a refund. You want a refund, send me the info and you will have the money via certified check in the mail. (I don't do paypal, period.) I will even eat the cost of purchasing the check to refund the money -- just send me your info and it'll be on its way.

If you don't trust me enough to ensure you get the bodies, then this is the way to go. If you do trust me, then you will have to give me time, because I refuse to spend hours a day on this, I've got better things to do.

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Sitbacknwatch

10-17-2006, 01:48 PM

JScullin

10-17-2006, 01:53 PM

This could've been solved 4 weeks ago with an order number. 1 week ago with a tracking number.

And through all of this arguing neither was ever produced. Give me either (that checks out) and the arguing could just stop now. I don't see why it was that hard to begin with and that's the problem I'm now having with this.

Such a simple solution...

RodneyBur

10-17-2006, 02:57 PM

Just Post The ****ing Tracking Number Already.

EternalOne

10-17-2006, 04:12 PM

I refuse to post a tracking number. You want your money back, contact me and I will refund it. Otherwise, sit down and shut up and wait for your body to arrive.

I'm sick of the *****ing.

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ND4SPD

10-17-2006, 04:28 PM

lol... I don't see the problem - I ordered three bodies (outside the groupbuy) from HPI... they arrived at John's in Detroit 2 days later, and he brought them all to Hamillfest for me.

:biggrin: :cover:

RodneyBur

10-17-2006, 04:40 PM

I refuse to post a tracking number. You want your money back, contact me and I will refund it. Otherwise, sit down and shut up and wait for your body to arrive.

I'm sick of the *****ing.

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I got one thing to say ... its not even your group buy. I have been patient, but when MY OPTIONS are closing in on being gone then I will press to have something verified and have posted it as gently as I can. Anything other than positive PROOF that these are coming is total nonsense at this point. Everones time is coming short to have a refund via paypal. And yes I saw your post about refunding everyones money, but geuss what. I don't know you either and would rather go through PAYPAL which is where I sent payment. Like I stated a few threads anything LESS than 100% actual proof that these are coming is useless at this point. WHY? Go back and read the post.

Sitbacknwatch

10-17-2006, 09:29 PM

give people a reason to not *****... like say a tracking number to prove things?

soldier989

10-17-2006, 11:17 PM

Wow, ya know, a GB only works as fast as someone is able to create/stamp these bodies. We, as NECO, arent always priority one for a company. I know that this hasnt been the most ideal GB, but keep in mind what I just wrote.

EternalOne

10-17-2006, 11:40 PM

Mark called me a few weeks ago and asked me to take this over for him, and that is what I am doing. First because I get things done, and second because I won't put up with peoples ****.

Lisa and I will be shipping them when they come in. Your choices are to sit back and wait until they come in, and then I will send out tracking numbers when I have shipped them, or drop out and I will refund your money.

I know you do not know me, but ask anyone around who has met me at the past 3 CF's. I am not some kid, I've been in this business for more than 8 years now, and I will see this through to completion, no matter what. But for gods sake quit yer whining. Out of all the groupbuys in the past I've not seen one where people started crying about a refund, when they were already told the product was just produced and shipped.

But, you do have an option. All it takes is one PM to me.

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1SlowKat

10-18-2006, 12:10 AM

"I refuse to post a tracking number."
For the 8 years you've been in business, is this what you tell your customers when they ask for a tracking number? All they want is proof. Takes a few second of your time to write down a series of numbers and letters. Or do you not have one to provide. If I said I'll sell you something but don't have any proof that I have it. The company has no record of me buying one from them even though I said I did. Then, I refuse to give you a tracking number when you asked for it. Tell me, how would you react? For someone who gets things done, writing down a few numbers and letters seems to be sooooo difficult.

BigBalledOX

10-18-2006, 12:13 AM

Listen . . . if John's running this ****, then I guarantee that EVERYONE will get their ****. John's about as no-nonsense, straight-shooting, backs-his-words-up guy as they come.

Lets all just get off his jock for a little bit and let him do his thing. But there's not a doubt in my mind that if he's running the show, everything will get handled.

CincyZetec

10-18-2006, 11:09 AM

i requested a refund from saleen a few weeks ago (it took him a week to finally get back to me and issue the paypal refund). instead of just doing the refund in paypal, he just sent me another payment. i received the payment on oct 6th w/ an expected clear date of the 12th. just like the situation w/ seaneyo99, it didn't clear and now it says it'll clear on the 25th.

to me that seems a bit fishy. i know i sent my payment through paypal as others have as well. he had all this money in his paypal account and now all of the sudden there isn't any money to give me a refund. it appears to me that this "stand-up" guy is being as stand-up as people say.

even though i'm out of this deal now (as soon as i get my refund) i still have some things to say about this. i agree w/ the comments about getting a tracking number. if there in fact was a shipment made of these bodies there is a tracking number somewhere. i don't c what is so hard about posting a number to reassure people. if i were running this, i would want to post the information to prove to the people who ordered these that they in fact rn't getting ripped off, especailly when there's been as much bad press about this seller as there has been lately.

i'd also like to know when i will b getting my refund.

EternalOne

10-18-2006, 02:40 PM

Of course the money is not in his account any longer, he bought the bodies from HPI. cougarpimp916, I will contact Mark and find out what the issue with the refund there is, if it does not go through then if we can cancel it I will send the refund myself. I just want to make sure you don't get double-refunded.

For the 8 years you've been in business, is this what you tell your customers when they ask for a tracking number?

Customers get a tracking number from me if they pay for it. Not every single package shipped gets tracked, you have to pay for a higher level of shipping for that. Because of that when I ship these to everyone I will be eating that very cost out of my own pocket, so that everyone will finally have peace of mind. You coming in to stir the **** doesn't help, you're not a part of the group buy, so you have no business posting.

I just realized something while looking at the list of people who bought these. Over half of the list is either MC Neco (or adopted MC'ers), or people whom I've met, partied with, and hung out with multiple times. These are the people who have not said a single thing, not one complaint, just patiently waiting for their bodies to arrive. Go figure...

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1SlowKat

10-18-2006, 03:16 PM

So when it does have a tracking number, do you refuse to give it to them? I had plenty to say on my post yet no comment on anything except that one line. I asked you a question which is left unanswered. Did you check transaction feedback lately? Your buddy seems to have sold the same laptop to two people. But I'm sure he has a pretty good explanation for that since he's part of MC neco. You know NOBODY there would dare rip someone off. It's impossible!!!

wadespencer99

10-18-2006, 04:14 PM

These are the people who have not said a single thing, not one complaint, just patiently waiting for their bodies to arrive. Go figure...

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John, I've stopped *****ing and moaning since I read yesterday that you have taken over this group buy. I met you at Cougarfest and I know that you aren't out to screw anyone over. If anything, you're one of the more generous members of this forum. I have my own ideas about how you ended up taking this over, but I'll keep them to myself.

As for Mark, you cannot say that he was not out to rip people off anymore...not with the laptop situation and the outright lies he has been telling. That's low man....I've never figured out how someone can think it's ok to blatantly steal money from someone else. I hope he can live with it, because I sure couldn't. All of the paranoi about this group buy was well warranted. It only came about after all of the threads came up about recent transactions with him, and in my opinion was well justified.

I usually trust people until I have a reason not to.

You are an honest, hardworking, mature member of this board that is highly respected and can be trusted to make this group buy happen the way it should have. Thank you for taking it over and seeing that it gets done right.

Now, a question. I filed a Paypal dispute against Saleen Cougar on the 44th day. I would still like the Cougar body now that you have taken this over. Should I drop the dispute or how would you like me to handle that?

EternalOne

10-18-2006, 04:35 PM

I took this over so that no matter what, no-one would get screwed over. Period. You WILL get the bodies, even if I have to fund it like I did Cougarfest. I am doing this so that no-one else has to deal with a problem, if one does come up. I too am leary about the problems Mark has had, which is one of the reasons I did this, it is for everyone elses protection. If a problem comes up, then it is mine to deal with, you will all still get what you paid for.

We will know in the next few days how things go. Either I will have the bodies in my possession for shipping to everyone, or I will be dealing with HPI directly to get them to you. Either way, you will get what you paid for.

Wade, it is up to you man. I am unsure of which is the best course of action, but rest assured you will get your body...

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bensenvill

10-19-2006, 02:57 PM

thank you John!

Drewmanfu0

10-19-2006, 05:45 PM

I just realized something while looking at the list of people who bought these. Over half of the list is either MC Neco (or adopted MC'ers), or people whom I've met, partied with, and hung out with multiple times. These are the people who have not said a single thing, not one complaint, just patiently waiting for their bodies to arrive. Go figure...

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Yeah, Just patiently waiting. I have a UPS account and get a steep discount. Let me know.

hamill

10-19-2006, 10:37 PM

Um, John.....we haven't said anything basically because we are close enough to drive there and demand a refund if necessary lol

I'll be the first to admit despite a pm from Mark a few weeks ago telling me not to worry, that they will be here in 2 weeks blah blah blah, that I was more than ready to ask for a refund since I would now rather have spent it on my daughter when I was in a bit of a financial bind (when she was first born).

EDIT: But I should add John, I'm DAMN happy you are taking over. Look forward to seeing my 2 before Christmas :)

EternalOne

10-20-2006, 10:54 AM

Just a quick update, since I forgot to post it last nite. I got a call from Mark that he was driving to DHL to pick up the bodies last nite after missing them at his house. Lisa, Mark, and I will be shipping these on Saturday from my house, and I will get everyone tracking numbers for their packages when the time comes. Can everyone send me a PM with their addresses that they'd like these shipped to, just in case we don't have your info.

Thanks all...

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