Fastest way to 200 whp?

[gameover0015]

whatts the fastest way to get 200whp witout doing the swap and how fasat 1/4mile would it be and how much everything would cost

[edean37]

if you used the search button it would answer all your questions ;)

most likly start with I/H/E.....

then theres always turbo or Super Charger or nitrous

other then that do a straight 3L swap like i did

Erik

[wadespencer99]

The fastest way? Probably a nitrous kit.

About 5-6 hundred, and somewhere in the 14 seconds.

All of that is assuming you have a V6-mtx.

[fordrule]

svt lite or full, headers, intake, full exhaust. thats a good start.

[nadthomas]

Naws!:tongue:

Seriously, I/H/E will not get you 200WHP, 200 at the crank sure, but not a the wheels. The quickest and cheapest way would be nitrous, for about 1k, you could have a nice setup and get it properly tuned so you know it safe. Well, atleast about as safe as you can get with a cheap and easy nitrous setup.

[Fett]

If I were looking to build a 200+hp Cougar on a budget....I would go with either SVT or 3.0l intake manifolds, or possibly even porting the stock one...depending on your fabricating skills. Headers...don't waste your time with "gutted precats". Until I see some solid numbers, I don't believe for a second that they are even worth the time...get a set of headers and exhaust, intake, then nitrous. The motor can handle a decent shot, as long as you don't use it all the time. So basically intake, intake manifolds, exhaust, headers, nitrous, chip that allows you to switch to accomodate for the spray...you would easily be above 200+ and it wouldn't break the bank.

[GrandMasterKhan]

Nitrous. That or MAYBE the thomas Knight supercharger (waiting for actual dynos)

should be good for mid to low 14s depending on your driving skill

[mond12345]

Yeah all the bolts on for this engine/car will not net you 200whp. I think i have them all and i know I'm not at 200whp. Best and cheapest way is going to be nitrous like said above a couple times now.

[PREDATOR]

buy a corvette :loser:"

[michcougar]

When i see titles like this "fastest way to 200WHP" i know its going to be a neubie that forgot to read the FAQ's

[gameover0015]

excluding nitrus. How many whp would i have with headers/i/e. Im going to get those then save for the tk kit. The faq for tk kit said 55+ whp. How much does the stock cougar have at the wheels .(im guessing 140-150)

[JScullin]

A few people dyno'd them and ATX's were getting anywhere from 115-135hp at the wheels. MTX's were getting high 130's to 150hp.

A good CAI, exhaust and some headers will get you at best 10-20hp. Expect to get 3-5hp from an intake, maybe 8 from the exhaust (if you go ss duals the weight may negate the gains) and 10hp from headers.

Car is unfettered by basic bolt-ons. Like Fett said, you'll see better gains from swapping & opening up the heads. Probably a bigger TB too.

[GrandMasterKhan]

I dont believe there is a single Cougar or Contour (non SVT) 2.5L engine which has ever obtained 200whp all motor.

The SVT spec 2.5L which comes in the SVT contour has obtained 200whp by a select few guys over on www.contour.org. They had every bolt on obtainable and did their own meticulous tuning.

Honestly to obtain 200whp quite easily all motor a 3.0 swap is the way to go. Not only would it cost SIGNIFICANTLY less to do a 3.0 swap with some minor bolt ons than to go all out with the 2.5L SVT engine only to BEARLY break 200whp only after crazy amounts of detailed tuning.

[gameover0015]

how many wheel hp does the cougar get mtx after the 3.0L

I really wanna avoid going there because ill have to waste my WHOLE finantial aid which is like almost 2.5 on just the engine, then getting a xcal, then dynotuning it.

[JScullin]

The 2.5 and 3.0l sections have dyno plot threads stickied at the top.

We've given you the jest of what you can do to a stock motor. Searching those sections will give you much more in-depth information.

[GrandMasterKhan]

Have blackcoog drop a 3.0 into your cougar!

[rufus]

Have blackcoog drop a 3.0 into your cougar!
thats what im gonna do after i get other stuff done

[posthuman63t]

how many wheel hp does the cougar get mtx after the 3.0L

I really wanna avoid going there because ill have to waste my WHOLE finantial aid which is like almost 2.5 on just the engine, then getting a xcal, then dynotuning it.

You really need to spend a few hours reading about stuff. The 3L power output depends on your build and parts your using not only internally, but externally as well (like headers).

And for the second time I'll say your not wise (putting it nicely) to be spending financial aid money which is meant for SCHOOL on your car.

If you want the 200whp mark the smartest thing to do is go 3L. Nitrous is your only other option as said before, and the problem with that is you don't always have the power there to use. What I mean by that is you wont have the power until WOT and you will always have to fill the bottle so you keep spending. Go to contour.org and look in the 3L section. Read the sticky about a BUDGET BUILD. Then when you think of a dozen or so questions, SEARCH THE FORUMS!!! then once you can't find something, post a question and someone will help clarify something if you need it. But let me tell you, everything you need to know is there. (read the 3L stuff here too, I just used info from CEG so I don;t know too much about whats here)

[Tygerr]

how many wheel hp does the cougar get mtx after the 3.0L

I really wanna avoid going there because ill have to waste my WHOLE finantial aid which is like almost 2.5 on just the engine, then getting a xcal, then dynotuning it.

STOP!!!

First, learn how to spell/read and get your schooling done first. Do NOT spend you're financial aid on you're car. Seriously.

[gameover0015]

Im only 17 the only way i will have a large amount of cash like that is from finantial aid. Whats so bad about using my finantial aid, i go to a community collage they pay for all my books and everything i dont live on campus, all my finantial aid money is given as pocket money from the collage to help u out if u dont have a job and dont have money because u go to school full time.

[scrupul0us]

I think I would classify that as ricer lol
Ummm no... Spending your financial aid money on your car isnt ricer, it's just plain stupid...

However i see what he is saying... When i went to CC i had an absorbant amount of left over financial aid every semester after books and everything... they pretty much "paid" me togo to school... i saved all that for my down payment on the cougar

as long as your school is taken care of go for it dude!

@jrak: don't knock him... hes getting the aid for a REASON (hopefully)... i had an extra 800$ a semester b/c thats what they alloted me... but the reason i got so mch is b/c i fell into a certain category with my mom being a single parent (my dad died of cancer back in 96') and me having very little income... so i used everything i needed for school and saved the rest

[JScullin]

Keep it on the topic of cars guys.

[Tygerr]

Im only 17 the only way i will have a large amount of cash like that is from finantial aid. Whats so bad about using my finantial aid, i go to a community collage they pay for all my books and everything i dont live on campus, all my finantial aid money is given as pocket money from the collage to help u out if u dont have a job and dont have money because u go to school full time.

Because it's basically like taking a loan and using it to drop parts into your car. I was in the same boat man, hell, I still am until I land a job. The cougar's not a bad car as is. I worked and payed all extra's out of pocket while in school full time. Just work for your mods, it'll be more enjoyable and you'll have more respect for yourself. No lie.

You have a good reliable car as of the moment that should last you through college. ;) Honestly though, as mentioned a nitrous kit tuned properly as well as the proper safety devices will be your best bet.

[gameover0015]

With all my school stuff like books ect paid for i will still have 2k a semestar or MORE left over so i dont see the point of you guys dissing me, its my money and im going to spend it how i want i just asked for your advice on making 200whp with bolt ons.

Im 80% sure ill go the 3.0L way now.

[scrupul0us]

if u have that kinda of extra bank go
-3.0L
-TK supercharger
-I/H/E

Then if you have more $$$ while your in there
-The LSD in your tranny
-Stage 1 clutch
-Lightened flywheel

Go for the gold
-Xcal2
-Dynotune

[gameover0015]

this is what im planning over 3 years of 2k+ each semestar. Not in this order exactly.



-2000 3.0L Duratec engine
$2,000

-SVT LIM ~75
-SVT UIM ~400
$475

Mercury Cougar 2.5L V6 Duratec / Shorty Header Set/Y-Pipe*(msds)
$660.00


-SVT Cams
$300

-SVT TB ~120
-TB Cable ~20
-TB Bracket ~40
$180


Oil Cooler
$70

Xcal2
$200

Dyno tune
$200

exaust

?


Body Kit
99-02 Mercury Cougar G2 Combat Body Kit
$594.15

99-02 Mercury Cougar Z3 Fenders (Pair)
$150.00

Tomas Knight Supercharger Kit
$2000.


$6,835 OVERALL


$2100 a semester = 5 semestars

$10,500 From finanital aid

2.5 years

912 days lol



Probably clutch or trannny after that, or maybe ill just leave it besides the clutch

[jrak123]

this is what im planning over 3 years of 2k+ each semestar. Not in this order exactly.



-2000 3.0L Duratec engine
$2,000

-SVT LIM ~75
-SVT UIM ~400
$475

Mercury Cougar 2.5L V6 Duratec / Shorty Header Set/Y-Pipe*(msds)
$660.00


-SVT Cams
$300

-SVT TB ~120
-TB Cable ~20
-TB Bracket ~40
$180


Oil Cooler
$70

Xcal2
$200

Dyno tune
$200

exaust

?


Body Kit
99-02 Mercury Cougar G2 Combat Body Kit
$594.15

99-02 Mercury Cougar Z3 Fenders (Pair)
$150.00

Tomas Knight Supercharger Kit
$2000.


$6,835 OVERALL


$2100 a semester = 5 semestars

$10,500 From finanital aid

2.5 years

912 days lol



Probably clutch or trannny after that, or maybe ill just leave it besides the clutch

Make it 6 Semesters and take an extra english comprehension class.

[gameover0015]

who really cares about spelling on a forum get a life.

[JScullin]

If you're paying $2,000 for a standard 3.0l engine then you're off to a bad start already.

[jrak123]

If you're paying $2,000 for a standard 3.0l engine then you're off to a bad start already.
that's why I stress he go to skool ferst and get learned on reserch:rofl:

[BigBalledOX]

who really cares about spelling on a forum get a life.

Hmmm . . . I don't know, who does care . . . oh yeah, only people who wanna know what the crap you're babbling about. Y'know who ELSE should care? You, because if EVERYONE typed like you did, you'd have NO EFFING CLUE what people are saying while you go and put together some bizarro scheme that has you paying $2k for a 3L and not even touching your transmission or suspension. But hey, at least you got that body kit covered!

For further information I suggest sending a PM to Shadowfox28, he'll fix ya right up. :thumbsup:

[gameover0015]

Im going to pay 2k to Blackcoog to make me a engine ready to drop in. I wasent going to pay 2k for a engine from a junkyard.

[dyed4ordblue]

who really cares about spelling on a forum get a life.
http://hatetank.dk/Fun/Noobs.jpg

[rufus]

Im going to pay 2k to Blackcoog to make me a engine ready to drop in. I wasent going to pay 2k for a engine from a junkyard.
i thought it costs 3k from blackcoug

[bubby]

3K for him to put it in your car.

[rufus]

oh ok thats where i heard 3k from

[scrupul0us]

now... as far as i know... the SVT UIM wont go on the 3.0 unless it is port matched?

and if u have the engine pulled you better be doing tranny work then otherwise youll be spending another G just to get the tranny out later

do you bodykit and paint last (obviously)... engine and tranny should be done together

and as for spelling... its just a courtesy (sp?) to the other members that you might be asking help of... just like reading all CAPS is annoying, a sentence with no structure and horrid spelling is just as annoying

[gameover0015]

Originally Posted by gameover0015
how much would it cost for u to build me a 3l engine? and do u find the engine urself and tune it or do i need to buy one and ship it to you.


I charge $2,000 for a full 3L with 3L intakes ready to drop in. That includes the engine, labor and any misc parts. You need to send me your fuel rail, egr and engine mount so I can modify them to fit the new 3L. I also give you instructions with pictures for a few key steps to make sure it is done right when installed. If you have a Cougar you'll need some type of tuning like an XCal2 from www.brenspeed.com and you will need to pick up a short ram intake. The stock intake box won't fit with the new 3L intake.

Thanks,
Chris


Thats what he sent me a long time ago if the price changed then just ignore this

[wadespencer99]

now... as far as i know... the SVT UIM wont go on the 3.0 unless it is port matched?



The 3 liter oval port heads have to be port-matched to use the 2.5 lower and upper intake manifolds.

[scrupul0us]

and bingo was his nameo

[ND4SPD]

Probably clutch or trannny after that, or maybe ill just leave it besides the clutch
:rofl:

oh lordy, this topic brings tears of laughter to my eyes.


yes, lets build a 3.0/svt with a supercharger.... but lets leave the transmission stock! brilliant! I can almost hear the cold *snap* of your proctologists glove...

[JScullin]

Well, you've gotten any info on the direction you plan on going in. I suggest to save from being ridiculed in future threads you read the stickies in the 3.0l section.

Good luck.

[NorCalCoug]

A few people dyno'd them and ATX's were getting anywhere from 115-135hp at the wheels. MTX's were getting high 130's to 150hp.

A good CAI, exhaust and some headers will get you at best 10-20hp. Expect to get 3-5hp from an intake, maybe 8 from the exhaust (if you go ss duals the weight may negate the gains) and 10hp from headers.

Car is unfettered by basic bolt-ons. Like Fett said, you'll see better gains from swapping & opening up the heads. Probably a bigger TB too.

Some ATX's dynoed more. Mine did 140hp/tq at the wheels, and did 8 more HP after I gutted the pre-cats.