quick questions to confirm my way of thinking!

[Snowboarder]

K I'm getting a mandrel stainless steel exhaust made for my car at a local shop that will do it for about the same price as the tru-bendz will cost me but with the super 40 muffler and the proper tips I want aposed to the ugly ones that come from tru-bendz (plus there the only place in BC that has a mandrel bender and stainless steel welder for exhausts around so I'd have to get them to weld it up and correct it if it's bent wrong anyways!)

QUESTION: I'm throwing MSDS headers on right before it and using the stock y-pipe for the first couple weeks (until I get the y-pipe I want from Tru-bendz) so question 1 is, does the Y-pipe with a swapable cat and straight pipe from T-B end in the exact same place as the stock y-pipe AND does anyone have a real good pic of how the T-B exhaust goes together (on car or not as I'm getting it routed the same way and need them to make sure they don't add extra bends and what not!

Thanks I guess the question is not so quick...!

EDIT: It's a the fake dual I'm talking about for pictures! Thanks!
-Cody W.

[DanG]

"ugly" is subjective, and Trubendz offers a lot of different tips with their exhausts. Aaaaaanyhoo... :rolleyes:

MSDS headers (which include Y-pipe), Trubendz hi-flow cat or test pipe are a DIRECT replacement for factory components, so the system will still terminate in the same place as the stock system. Those with 3-bolt systems need to retain their original flexpipe to ensure a reduction of torsional stresses on the system.

[Snowboarder]

"ugly" is subjective, and Trubendz offers a lot of different tips with their exhausts. Aaaaaanyhoo... :rolleyes:

MSDS headers (which include Y-pipe), Trubendz hi-flow cat or test pipe are a DIRECT replacement for factory components, so the system will still terminate in the same place as the stock system. Those with 3-bolt systems need to retain their original flexpipe to ensure a reduction of torsional stresses on the system.

well yah I guess it is subjective, but thats my personal opinion, I'd prefer a set of nice pencil rolled tips over any of there tips that I have to pay extra for anyways........

I know MSDS headers came with a y-pipe, my slightly used ones did not however! Thank you for the awnser to the y-pipe question, but after doing some searching I just came across something that I'm not sure upon! Does the Trubendz Y-pipe with either a hi flow cat attached or with the removable cat and swapable test pipe) go directly to where the exhaust would hook up! Or is the flex pipe in the middle of the 2! and if so on a 2.5L with CAI/Headers/ Exhaust and plans for bigger mods like SVT and possibly 3.0l SVT, should I be upgrading it to a bigger flex pipe (I have a 2 bolt flange, so keeping it is not necessary)

Just trying to get everything ready for my early september apointment and want to make sure I get the best system for my needs! Thanks!
-Cody W.

[Funkboy316]

well yah I guess it is subjective, but thats my personal opinion, I'd prefer a set of nice pencil rolled tips over any of there tips that I have to pay extra for anyways........

I know MSDS headers came with a y-pipe, my slightly used ones did not however! Thank you for the awnser to the y-pipe question, but after doing some searching I just came across something that I'm not sure upon! Does the Trubendz Y-pipe with either a hi flow cat attached or with the removable cat and swapable test pipe) go directly to where the exhaust would hook up! Or is the flex pipe in the middle of the 2! and if so on a 2.5L with CAI/Headers/ Exhaust and plans for bigger mods like SVT and possibly 3.0l SVT, should I be upgrading it to a bigger flex pipe (I have a 2 bolt flange, so keeping it is not necessary)

Just trying to get everything ready for my early september apointment and want to make sure I get the best system for my needs! Thanks!
-Cody W.

have you even crawled under your car to look? its not as hard as your making it. as DanG just said which apparently you didnt read. the y pipes are direct replacements for OEM ypipes, which means your cat-back exhaust whether it be tru-bendz or custom shop made will be a direct fit. if you have a 2 bolt flange, then you dont have and will not need, a flex pipe because it uses those spring bolt thingies in place of the flex pipe. seriously just crawl under there and take a peek to familiarize yourself with it.

and for your question on pictures of a tru-bendz setup, again just crawl under your car and take a peek, the tru-bendz system is routed exactly like the stock setup except the center resonator is replaced with the muffler. the split occurs in the only place it can which is after the tank in the center of the car. which you shouldnt even need pics of, cause if a shop cant figure out how to route the pipes they need to step away from the car anyway.

[Snowboarder]

have you even crawled under your car to look? its not as hard as your making it. as DanG just said which apparently you didnt read. the y pipes are direct replacements for OEM ypipes, which means your cat-back exhaust whether it be tru-bendz or custom shop made will be a direct fit. if you have a 2 bolt flange, then you dont have and will not need, a flex pipe because it uses those spring bolt thingies in place of the flex pipe. seriously just crawl under there and take a peek to familiarize yourself with it.

and for your question on pictures of a tru-bendz setup, again just crawl under your car and take a peek, the tru-bendz system is routed exactly like the stock setup except the center resonator is replaced with the muffler. the split occurs in the only place it can which is after the tank in the center of the car. which you shouldnt even need pics of, cause if a shop cant figure out how to route the pipes they need to step away from the car anyway.


wow thanks man I never knew any of that! No seriously though I was just under my car today looking at my exhaust, I never knew that the trubendz was routed the exact same, I figured it was very simular, but wasn't quite sure, so I wanted to make sure by asking if maybe there was an easier way to route the exhaust with less bends!

I did read his statement about the y-pipe as well and I understood exactely, that is goes to the exact stock location thats already there and that helped! You clearly didn't get my question because YOU didn't read! all I needed to know was does the trubendz y-pipe go to the stock exhaust or will I have any stock pieces to re-use that I should replace! Simple question! I thought today when I was under there I saw a flex pipe, infact I'm preety sure I did, but it was 2 bolt! so all I want to know is, the trubendz y-pipe will it go to the exhaust, or will it go to the flex pipe! What I'm getting is with the 3 bolt flex pipe I have to re-use it, but I'm preety sure I saw a 2 bolt flex in there today, so I'm assuming I have to re-use that also! thanks for anwsering me like a dick by the way it really helped when I had a question!

incase that's too much reading to get the question out I'll ask it in very simple terms: Where does the trubendz y-pipe connect to? 1 of 2 awnsers I'm looking for is a)Stock flex pipe b)stock exhaust (meaning the flex pipe is considered part of the y-pipe to trubendz so the pipe goes a bit further and connects to the exhaust pipe)

I hope you get the question now, I have an educated guess on it from what I've gathered and that's if it has a flex pipe it only goes to the flex pipe if it doesn;t then it goes to the exhaust! It's dark out now so I'm not looking to see if it has a flex pipe or what right now and everything I've stated so far is just trying to go by memory earlier when I was under my car so I could be wrong!

-Cody W.

[Tygerr]

*In song*

The headers connect to the... y pipe

The y pipe connect to the... flex pipe

The flex pipe connect to the... catalytic (or test pipe if you so wish)

The catalytic connects to the... exhaust (cat back, everything from the cat on back. What the shop is going to be fabricating for you)

If you have a flex pipe. I'd keep it in place, the aftermarket cat/testpipe and y-pipe will bolt to it. I have a 3 bolt though, so I'm not sure what the two bolts look like.

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4680/dsc00115lt3.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7992/dsc00118xc5.jpg

A few pics to help you understand. I think you're making this out to be more difficult then it really is. Hopefully that helps. And yes, that's my y-pipe rusting.

[jaged]

the trubendz y pipe, at least the one i had, connected to the exhaust, there was no flex pipe. dunno if theyve revised theyre design or not however



you would be better off taking your stock y pipe to your exhaust shop and have them optimize it. if they know what they are doing they should be able to look at it and know what to do. They will have to remove it from the flex pipe to see it. If you do that use the flex pipe and get a trubendz test pipe with a high flow cat on it and youre all good

EDIT: just looked at their website, it hasnt changed. if you look at the pic in the y pipe description page it shows where it connects to

[Snowboarder]

yah I was frustrated because it looked different in my head so I went out with a flashlight and looked! fist thing I checked was the 2 or 3 bolt... the cat is 2 on the cat-back side, the flex is 3 on either side... I also noticed the order it went in! which is like tygerr said and thats not how I pictured remebering it from earlier haha! I had it in my head that the flex was after the cat! and that they were all closer to the headers then that...

so let me get this straight... if I get a trubendz y-pipe it will have a flex pipe built in and optionally a catalytic converter and then I don't need a trubendz test pipe because the y-pipe has enough pipe to connect the headers to the cat-back exhaust correct! I'm just so confused with the y-pipe and the test pipe crap! becase in the test pipe page it shows it taking just the catalytic converter out and putting a pipe there to the cat back.... do I need this test pipe if I get a y-pipe I guess is what I'm asking?

[Tygerr]

If you get a y-pipe it replaces ONLY the y-pipe. You still need the flex pipe, that stays on, the y-pipe ends at the flex pipe. Your exhaust will bolt to your stock cat, so you don't NEED to replace the cat. If you buy a test pipe, it replaces the stock cat. The exhaust they're going to make only replaces the exhaust. I can't explain it any other way. That's as straight forward as it gets.

[Funkboy316]

thanks for anwsering me like a dick by the way it really helped when I had a question!

It's dark out now so I'm not looking to see if it has a flex pipe or what right now and everything I've stated so far is just trying to go by memory earlier when I was under my car so I could be wrong!

-Cody W.

i wasnt being nasty, i was simply stating that you should look under the cause you could figure it out easily if you took the time to look. obviously you didnt. now you have and understand how it works. your making something simple into something hard. dont flame me cause you were too lazy to at least look under there to see how it went together.

[Snowboarder]

yah I understand the exhaust portion like the cat-back portion I know what all that intitles and all that I'm not worried about that! I was just worried about what the y-pipe would replace and as to how far up it would replace so I don;t order a test pipe and find out "hey I don't need you because the y-pipe I ordered is long enough! The reason I was and still am a bit confused it because I want the y-pipe with the swapable test pipe/cat that they sell in the y-pipe section and so to me if I want that it makes no sence because the y-pipe is actually fairly small from the headers to the stock flex pipe, so I was trying to figure out how the removable cat would fit in there if it doesn;t go to where the cat back starts! I don;t know if I'm making myself clear it's hard to explain without pictures or being under my car! what you said however awnsers that, I just think it might be wrong with the y-pipe I want to order, so I'm trying to figure that out still, as I believe if I had the MSDS y-pipe you would be correct, but I think the trubendz one I'm talking about goes all the way to the cat-back like jaged said!
-Cody W.

[jaged]

the trubendz y pipe is different than say a msds y pipe or a weapon r y pipe. It replaces the entire y pipe-flex pipe-cat combo. Look here (http://www.trubendz.com/home.asp?producttype=exhaust&productfor=cougar_ypipe&productid=10010925&pagetype=detail) and you can see one installed

[Tygerr]

I didn't know that. That y-pipe doesn't have that sudden bend like the stock and msds. I thought that was there for a reason, guess not.

[Funkboy316]

obviously if your ordering that type of y-pipe which in the picture, clearly contains a flex piece already and clearly goes to the two-bolt cat back flange and clearly already contains a catalytic convertor/test pipe then you dont want and cannot use a seperate test pipe. that y-pipe already contains the "test pipe" piece and already contains the flex piece so you will discard your stock flex piece when you install that y-pipe. so yes that y-pipe replaces your oem exhaust from the headers to the cat-back:thumbsup:

[Snowboarder]

yah thats what I thought and I saw that picture before but you guys kept saying no haha I was getting so confused! that's why I thought it was so easily awnsered as a "quick" question, but clearly the msds and weapon-r y-pipe is different then the trubendz y-pipes are (which I also did not know, otherwise I would ahve said no not those 2, but strictly the trubendz y) But yah That's what I'm getting then, just wanted to make sure, I finally got to the bottom of it and I'm happy that what I thought was right, actually was right to begin with makes my life easier and cheaper haha!

thanks for all the help!
-Cody W.

[jaged]

the reason the msds and the stock one have that sharp bend is to equalize the pressure from the rear bank to that of the front bank since the front is a longer section. I liked my trubendz Y when i had it, it gave it a mean sound a good amount of power, but i swapped it for the msds when i got the headers

[Snowboarder]

why was the reasoning behind that if I may ask? any benefits?