SVT Focus engine swap?

[trahma]

Has anyone performed or researched into swapping an SVT Focus engine / transmission into a Cougar? A friend of mine is considering doing the swap because we found a donor car for extremely cheap.

[diddy]

not worth it at all.


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[james99]

i think someone did it to a zx2, which almost has the same engine setup as the cougar. to me it just seems like too much work and not enough power gain.

dammit someone always beats me to the post:banghead:

[trahma]

not worth it at all.


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well as it stands the car needs a new engine. what makes it not worth the trouble?

[XplosivePlushToy]

Two numbers... one letter.

3.0L

[Yofavcracka]

they mean that its alot of work for just putting another 2.0l back in, which would basically give you the same, if not less power. Its alot of work for not gaining anythink, unless ofcourse the engine in the cougar is completely shot...then go for it.

[diddy]

well as it stands the car needs a new engine. what makes it not worth the trouble?



different mounting points, you will need to put in a new wiring harness, all of this for 30 more hp and an engine that doesn't handle F/I as good as the one the cougar comes with.

[trahma]

The plan would be to run the SVT Focus engine / transmission with an aftercooled Vortech Supercharger. People are hitting over 250whp on similar setups in the Focus.

[diddy]

stick with the regular zetec, the compression on it is better for F/I

[trahma]

a stock zetec engine cracks at around 10psi. people are running plenty more and the svt block has forged internals and oil squirters. If I don't want to touch internals and I'm happy with ~250whp, the SVT is the way to go

[diddy]

a stock zetec engine cracks at around 10psi.

and where exactly are you getting this info from? a stock zetec block can handle 500whp

[wadespencer99]

Check out www.focaljet.com for tons of info on the Zetec, and the SVTF engine.


It it was me, I'd put a fresh Zetec in and turbo it :cool:

[diddy]

Check out www.focaljet.com for tons of info on the Zetec, and the SVTF engine.


It it was me, I'd put a fresh Zetec in and turbo it :cool:


werd

[BigBalledOX]

Hey, he obviously knows what he's talking about, let him do what he wants. :rolleyes:

[diddy]

Hey, he obviously knows what he's talking about, let him do what he wants. :rolleyes:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[skull_heaven]

well i don't think he's going to get talked out of it so let him do it (if he mess up then we can laugh)

[diddy]

eh, true :rofl:

[Josh125XR]

What would be better the Non-VCT Zetec(Zx3 Engine) or the VCT Zetec(Zx2 Engine)to TurboCharge? There basically the same but what would make more gains on the Dyno?

[diddy]

eh, that wouldn't really make much of a difference since vct doesn't effect performance, and all you have to do to get rid of vct is reprogram the ecu ,so it wouldn't matter too much. I guess if you just didn't wanna deal with the vct u could get the non vct version zetec and go from there, but like I said, minimal performance difference

[trahma]

Hey, he obviously knows what he's talking about, let him do what he wants. :rolleyes:

http://www.webninja.org/pictures/cars/focus/092004/engine1.jpg

Obviously, I know nothing about the zetec engine. I've only been building my car for the past 4 years. Rather than assume I'm an idiot, perhaps you should get your facts straight.

and where exactly are you getting this info from? a stock zetec block can handle 500whp

I really hope you're not talking about stock internals because if so, you need to get your head checked rather than derail my thread. I started the thread asking if the swap was possible, not if we should do it or not. The SVTF will reach the goals of the car faster, cheaper, and more reliably than the stock zetec could ever dream to.

We're looking at $800 for the donor SVT and another $1500 for the blower on top of that. A stock zetec engine isn't going to reliably hold 250 whp, which means we're going to save money on pistons, rods, and rebalancing the rotating assembly. Pistons and rods alone would run another $800. With the lower compression, we'd have to run more boost.

So please enlighten me, what makes the SVT engine a bad choice, other than saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

[james99]

http://www.chillinangrillin.com/forums/images/smilies/gtfo2.gif

[nadthomas]

you all just got owned. :rofl: You should not assume that every newb to the forums is a newb to cars and atleast part of our platform.

[qkilobyteq]

wow that was good all i can say is i want more pics of your car there trahma

[diddy]

http://www.webninja.org/pictures/cars/focus/092004/engine1.jpg

Obviously, I know nothing about the zetec engine. I've only been building my car for the past 4 years. Rather than assume I'm an idiot, perhaps you should get your facts straight.



I really hope you're not talking about stock internals because if so, you need to get your head checked rather than derail my thread. I started the thread asking if the swap was possible, not if we should do it or not. The SVTF will reach the goals of the car faster, cheaper, and more reliably than the stock zetec could ever dream to.

We're looking at $800 for the donor SVT and another $1500 for the blower on top of that. A stock zetec engine isn't going to reliably hold 250 whp, which means we're going to save money on pistons, rods, and rebalancing the rotating assembly. Pistons and rods alone would run another $800. With the lower compression, we'd have to run more boost.

So please enlighten me, what makes the SVT engine a bad choice, other than saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

1. did I say anything about stock internals? no. I said stock BLOCK.
2. so you are getting the engine for 800...does that include the full wiring harness and ecu? now let's talk about the cost for installing this engine....
a. custom fabbing motor mounts....
b. installing wiring harness and ecu.....
c. you mentioned putting in the 6 speed tranny, waiste of time and money IMO bc it doesn't really seem to help it out too much, but add costs for that....


so unless you are a master mechanic, or have some really good connections, those costs are going to add up quickly. save money from swappin in the tranny, save the money from all the fabbing and electrical work, and turbo a zetec just as easily.

a zetec engine compression ratio is 9.3:1 i believe, whereas the svt has a compression ratio of 10.3:1.

The big difference will be where you see the power, and how much of a demand will be placed on the supercharger. Obviously, the 9.5:1 motor is going to have far greater torque and low end power as the boost is only starting to come in. It is also going to be much easier to find a blower to survive only 12 lbs of boost -vs- one that would have to put out 18 lbs. It is now very easy to see why a higher compression motor with lower boost is becoming so popular.


Going over about 10:1 will make the amount of boost that is usable drop quickly to the point that the supercharger is somewhat wasted

Going over 10:1 will also make daily driving with pump gas much more difficult.

A lower compression motor has the ability to contain more volume.

so once again, I would save the money that you would use fabbing, and all the extra work to put in this svt motor, get a regular zetec, buy a clutch, and some rods, and 250whp is just as easy to get, if not easier, than your precious svt motor

[cougR]

if u believe u can do it and have some reliable help then i would run with it, make sure u have some one who knows a thing about it or have mechanically skills before u pore money into a project, luckly i have my father who has been a ford mechanic for 25 years

[cougR]

but i agree with buffdaddy17 about the normal z-tec, its going to save money, be more reliable, and have a better value of the dollar then the svt motor

[dyed4ordblue]

I would find out how much hp that 6 speed can hold before you proceed. the CDW-27 can handle quitea bit when built right, which can be done by Terry Haines Motorsports. In fact, FastCougar has one for sale! Good luck with whatever you decide. Nice Focus, by the way.

[trahma]

1. did I say anything about stock internals? no. I said stock BLOCK.
2. so you are getting the engine for 800...does that include the full wiring harness and ecu? now let's talk about the cost for installing this engine....
a. custom fabbing motor mounts....
b. installing wiring harness and ecu.....
c. you mentioned putting in the 6 speed tranny, waiste of time and money IMO bc it doesn't really seem to help it out too much, but add costs for that....


The $800 cost is for the donor car. That includes wiring harness, ecu, transmission, and engine. Doing the wiring harness and ecu isn't going to cost us anything other than our own time. The motor mounts are the only thing we're looking at possibly being custom. We still haven't decided on installing the transmission, thats going to come down to what kind of mount we have to make to get the getrag to fit. If we decide to use the cougar transmission, we can just as easily sell the getrag and make back $400-$500.



so unless you are a master mechanic, or have some really good connections, those costs are going to add up quickly. save money from swappin in the tranny, save the money from all the fabbing and electrical work, and turbo a zetec just as easily.

a zetec engine compression ratio is 9.3:1 i believe, whereas the svt has a compression ratio of 10.3:1.


Actually the 2.0L non SVT Zetec is a 9.6:1 vs 10.2:1. But hey, lets try to argue without knowing actual specs, or knowing much about what we're talking about. Obviously there will be more work into getting the swap going, but we're not talking about custom work beyond motor mounts.

As far as your quotes, seriously, you didn't state any sources. I can easily put a quote box around anything. Fact of the matter is, people are putting down 270whp with an SVT engine and the Vortech reliably without touching internals.

[wadespencer99]

I would find out how much hp that 6 speed can hold before you proceed. the CDW-27 can handle quitea bit when built right, which can be done by Terry Haines Motorsports. In fact, FastCougar has one for sale! Good luck with whatever you decide. Nice Focus, by the way.


:rolleyes: :rofl:

I think it's time to get re-dyed :rofl:

CDW27 refers to our platform, as shared with the Contour and Mystique. MTX75 is our manual transmission...like the one that can be beefed up by Terry Haines that Fastcougar has for sale.

:)

[diddy]

The $800 cost is for the donor car. That includes wiring harness, ecu, transmission, and engine.

well you didn't exactly mention that one before, that makes a huge difference



Actually the 2.0L non SVT Zetec is a 9.6:1 vs 10.2:1. But hey, lets try to argue without knowing actual specs, or knowing much about what we're talking about.
yes, even I can make a mistake, I was pulling all of that from memory. bite me


As far as your quotes, seriously, you didn't state any sources. I can easily put a quote box around anything.

oh dear god, do you want MLA format, or APA format?:rofl:


so the thing I don't understand, is you obviously have your mind set on doing this whole thing, and you apparently "know everything there is to know about cars", so why even bother to ask this question?

[trahma]

so the thing I don't understand, is you obviously have your mind set on doing this whole thing, and you apparently "know everything there is to know about cars", so why even bother to ask this question?

Has anyone performed or researched into swapping an SVT Focus engine / transmission into a Cougar? A friend of mine is considering doing the swap because we found a donor car for extremely cheap.

I don't see where I asked if I should run the regular zetec vs the svt zetec

[Seawulf]

A svt swap supposedly has been done here but the guy used a stock ecu so it ran crappy and he wound up taking it out.

A stock block Zetec has done 300whp with race gas with no problems, it won't crack or even lift off the head. Jon at HKS did 250whp for several years on a stock block and did 300whp with stand alone engine managment all on 91 octane.

I wouldn't prefer to boost the SVT Zetec over a regular Zetc because of the higher compression of the SVT, you won't push out much more HP vs stock zetecs. The Vortech though is a bit different because of how well the SVT head flows and given that the Vortech puts out all it's boost in the upper RPms, it's a good match. I personally don't like to rev a stock engine that high on boost so I'd prefer a turbo that spooled up faster and gave out more TQ down low. As I wound up doing.

I wouldn't use a SVT transmision vs a regular tranny. The regular tranny is considered stronger than the 6 speed and a LSD is cheaper. The 6 speed was mainly a marketing choice not for best performance.

[jwheels54]

well it depends on how big your friend is wanting to go i wouldn't recommend 300hp on any zetec stock internals... however the svt internals arnt much better however the svt block does come with oil squirters built in the block so that is nice but if your friend is wanting to make big gains from doin the swap get ready to be dissapointed if he wants a block to make big gains go to www.focus-power.com they have i believe a cast iron stroker kit that punches the 2.0 upto 2.3 and supposively with there turbo kit it has seen 600hp however its pricey but a good block to build from and fairly cheap is the focus wrc block which i think you can also get from them or focussport its cast iron and if built right will hold all the horse power your axels will take

justin