Cougar S Bodykit and Spoilers

[Shagmonkey]

Right gents. Crunch time.

CLOSING DATE MIDNIGHT SUNDAY 3RD JUNE FOR $750 DEPOSIT

We need to get 10 people to buy the complete kit for this group buy to take place. If we get 10 people that want the whole kit (this includes both upper and lower spoiler), the price will only be $1850 !!!
Once we have the confirmed 10 kits, we will then get an exact quote on shipping them over. At the moment it looks like to hire a container and ship them over by boat would cost you lot maybe an extra $50 each (Shipping divided between all of you). The downside of this being it will take about 6 weeks to reach your shores. However, the differance in price compared to air freight is HUGE!
The shipping of the kits from the central depot to you all individualy will be dealt with once the kits are over there so I cannot tell you how much the shipping would be. I'm sure someone who has bought a very large kit from America and had it shipped to them will be able to give us all an idea of cost??
Can you confirm that there wont be any import taxes etc also please??
Also, due to the very large shipment, I am checking that GrandmasterKhan is still going to be OK in receiving the kits and then shipping them out from over there. The kits will all be boxed and labelled up to make life easier for GMK.

For all the people that only want spoilers, the price is $200 each. The upper spoiler DOES include a rear LED brake light. This includes a couple of dollars towards the shipping of the container (so the costs are split amongst everyone to be fair. Smaller Items paying smaller % of the overall shipping cost)

So far we have:

Complete Kit: 5 (numbers going down not up !! )

BigBalledOx
Bensenvill
Predator
S.BOOGIE2468
RyanW1

Upper spoiler: 5

Wadespencer99
YOSLVR442
LostRacer
Azbobbybooshay10
Nitrik

Lower Spoiler: 3

BasSpyder420
Azbobbybooshay10
Nitrik


Now you know the prices, can you please confirm if your name is to remain on the list or not. Deposits will need to be taken and then the final payment once they have been shipped.

For piccies and more info, please read this thread here: http://newcougar.org/forums/showthread.php?p=995664#post995664
Please also use that thread for questions etc, and only this thread to add/remove your name.

Cheers

[wadespencer99]

Yes, I am still on the list for the upper spoiler, but is it really going to be that long getting it?

Um....how much for the spoiler plus shipping if I just buy it straight out without the group buy?

[bensenvill]

please give us an idea of the timeframe you are looking for for payment on the full kits. That will be the entire determining factor on weither I get the full kit or just the spoilers.

[Shagmonkey]

Good points.

Ok, shipping of the spoilers by air freight is no problem. They will enquire as to aproximate costs.

With regards to the kits, because they don't want to rush the process and thus make sure all kits are of 100% quality, they are working on the timescale of 1 week per kit. This means you wont have any "warped" kits etc.

Deposits of $750 will be required before the end of the group buy, and then the remaining wont need to be paid until the kits have shipped which will be about 2.5 months away. Plenty of time to save, beg and borrow. :biggrin:
Preffered payment is PayPal which also protects you guys as well (for any doubters out there).

If they need to make more kits for the group buy (as in 20+) then it would be worth their while making duplicate moulds and thus speeding up the process. However, for "only" 10 kits, it's not financialy worth their while.

If it's OK with you guys and purely because there needs to be an end date for the group buy, how does Midnight Sunday 14th sound, or would people like it brought forward?

[bensenvill]

WHOH, thats a quick deadline... one week? most of us wont even have a payday between now and then.

[Shagmonkey]

OK. Shall I extend it to the end of the month??

I just thought you guys wanted it ASAP.

[PREDATOR]

I can do that deadline for the deposit of $750. Though I don't want to be the only one, so you might want to extend it for the end/begining of May/June :biggrin: I can't wait!

WooHoo! :banana:

[Shagmonkey]

OK. 31st May it is then !!!

I can see it being a big race as to who gets their kit fitted first. Mind you, I am also looking forward to seeing what you lot do with regards to making it differant.Your own personal touches etc. :)

I cant wait either!! :crazy: :rofl:

[bensenvill]

how bout june 3rd [saturday]... the 1st is payday.... which would greatly increase my chances of scrapping enough for the downpayment.

I'm in absolutely no hurry to get mine fitted.

[Shagmonkey]

OK. Midnight Sunday 3rd June it is then. I'll update the first post.

[Housecat]

Alright, after much number crucnching, and banging my head off the desk, I've realized that this kit is not reality for me.

You can take my name off that list. I can afford the kit, but I just can't afford to have it painted, installed, etc.

Sorry boys & girls.

L

[PREDATOR]

One more question.

What paypal address do we send the deposit to?

Thanks!

[bensenvill]

ok and about shipping... I work for a shipping software company so its not a problem for me to find out what the shipping costs will be [stateside] if you can get me box dimensions and weight.

[theandysho]

Can we get a good pic of just the upper and lower spoilers? Thanks.

[ClaymoreWW]

Could we have some better shots of the upper spoiler? Yeah, I found page 15, but I would wnat to see some better ones, especially if you have done some better fitting.

--george

[BasSpyder]

is there a deposite for those of us who just want the spoilers?

[azbobbybooshay10]

I want the upper and lower spoilers bad, but what is the price for those OUTSIDE the GB? I'm afraid one month is pushing it for me, so I probably need to be taken off the list for the GB. However, I hope to pick them up in the future as soon as funds become available.

[NorCalCoug]

mmm. Upper and lower rear spoilers. I'll have to look into doing this by June 3rd. :)

[skull_heaven]

do you know if i will be able to buy the full body kit outside the GB and if so where. i might want it but i def. can't afford it right now.

[recliner15]

I said before take my name off please thanks

[Shagmonkey]

Recliner15, as requested, I have removed your name.

We are now down to 7 for the bodykits :rolleyes:

I'm working on getting some better pics of the upper spoiler, inc the brake light on. Will post them ASAP.

If you want the kit outside of the group buy, you can purchase it at anytime from ebay.co.uk

Normal price for the spoilers will be $250 upper and $250 lower

I'll post up details of where to PayPal the money at the end of the group buy.

They are in the process of making another S bodykit (They liked it so much, they have bought their own Cougar), so they will weigh it and get dimensions so we can find out the size and weight of the box, per kit. Hope that makes sense.

ummmmm...I think that is all the questions answered :)

[wadespencer99]

I have some more questions on the spoiler...are they being shipped over here in the same container as the kits?

If so (or even if not) what happens if only two people end up taking the kit? Will other arrangements have to be made for the spoiler shipping?

It sucks, but it's a common fact, many people say they want something and never worry about whether they'll have to money to buy it when go time comes. Wanting it, and being ready to buy it, are two totally opposite things.


Do we pay for the spoilers by June 3rd as well?

[BasSpyder]

ive been wondering this too cause i WILL get a lower spoiler, will there have to be a deposite on these?

[Shagmonkey]

Please look here for piccies of the upper spoiler inc brake light. http://newcougar.org/forums/showthread.php?p=999817#post999817

With regards to deposits for the spoilers, I'm waiting to hear.

[shadowfox28]

problems with the upper spoiler.... The rear window washer will not be functional and will it have to be molded or can it just be drilled in?

[99CougarNy]

shadow, you'd want to mold this either way to make it look nice ... kinda like ... they look good when placed on but look GREAT when molded =)

[shadowfox28]

but how would you mold that thing on isnt it mostly goin to be over the rear window. I think it would look kinda funky with it moled to the hatch ???

[99CougarNy]

yeah i wish there was more detailed pics of this thing ... and if ur that worries about the pisser i'm sure u could come up with something (run the tube with the led lines, and drill a small hole on the buttom of the LED panel?)

[PREDATOR]

yeah i wish there was more detailed pics of this thing ... and if ur that worries about the pisser i'm sure u could come up with something (run the tube with the led lines, and drill a small hole on the buttom of the LED panel?)
Sounds like a tire kicker... if your going to throw down $400 for the spoilers, I'm sure there's more things you should be worried about then the little squirter back there :banghead:

Also Paul, any word on this buy? Sounds like a lot of people were all talk. I'm still in though :thumbsup:

[BasSpyder]

me too!

[Shagmonkey]

Hi everyone.

It does indeed look like most people are all mouth and no trousers as we say over here, but the end date isn't for a few more weeks so lets see what (if anything) can be pulled out of the bag. :rolleyes:

Another kit is currently coming out of the moulds soon. They will then get box size measurements and weights. These I can then pass onto GMK (who will be doing all the shipping from within the states). He will then be able to get quotes for you all, for the last part of the shipping.

A couple more spoilers are also being made. Again to get box sizes and weights etc, so we can work out the exact shipping for the people that just want the spoilers.

My car is currently being finished off (Custom boot install, Interior being leathered etc). Hope to be finished by the end of the month. More piccies will come out then. As for box sizes etc, I will let you all know the moment I find out.

Cheers everyone.

Paul

[99Elimin8r]

put me in for the lower spoiler, just let me know when and where to send payment and I will do so...;)

[shadowfox28]

you ever had a dirty back window and you wanted to back up in a tight parking lot... then ur littler pisser doesnt werk? It really suks

[PREDATOR]

So, anything new? it's almost June 3rd :biggrin:

[Shagmonkey]

Hi buddy.

Nothing new yet other than we only have 6 confirmed buyers and not the 10 we need. :rolleyes:

Seeing as someone ran a poll in "Exterior Cosmetics" and 59 people voted that they would buy the kit no matter what the cost........ and then a further 138 people said the might depending on the cost....... 6 confirmed buyers is rather lack lustre to say the least. Just shows 95% of people are all mouth and no trousers :disgust:

[PREDATOR]

I've known that was gonna happen. Heck, I can't even gid rid of my sexy brand new kit that I have listed well below half the retail price...

But say we do get all 6 confirmed buyers. What kinda price difference are we looking at?

Thanks Man!

[PREDATOR]

OK, tomorrows the big day! :biggrin:

Where do we send the mulah? the dinero? the cash money :banana:

[bensenvill]

I'm not sending any money until all the details have been worked out: such as what the cost is going to be, approximate shipping costs [across the lake and local], and a formal statement about delivery timeframe

[on that last one, I have a really bad taste in my mouth from D2 and I am NOT going to repeat that one]

[PREDATOR]

Sunday June 3rd BUMP :biggrin:

[Shagmonkey]

I'm glad at least one person is excited !! :biggrin:

Right, Jamie at the body shop (Twisted Vision) has decided that even though only 6 of you are man enough (JOKE!) to put your money where your mouth is, he will still keep the original price of the kit for you.

Therefore, the people that are buying the kit, just need to drop an email to Jamie (Or Steve) direct at TwistedVision@btconnect.com and deal direct with them.

Once I do get a shipping price though, I will post it up here for other people that might be interested.

For those that just want spoilers, you also need to just send a mail direct to them. Please put "NECO" in your email title though, so they know to offer you the group buy price and not the full normal price.
Again, once I get the shipping for the spoilers I will post the price up here for any possible future buyers.

Hope all that makes sense. Any further questions, please mail Jamie or Steve direct on the above email address (TwistedVision@btconnect.com)

Cheers guys and Predator, I'm looking forward to seeing the first Cougar S kit fitted on American shores ! ;)

[BasSpyder]

thanks paul! i wrote them an email i cannot wait to see the spoiler on my car.

[PREDATOR]

Cool! Just emailed them! Can't wait to get this worked out :biggrin:

I feel like a little kid in a candy store lately with all these awesome deals going on :eek:

[PREDATOR]

Well, I emailed them yesterday, but I still have no response...

[S.BOOGIE2468]

same here.

[Shagmonkey]

Calm down guys, they are probably working on my car !! :biggrin: :biggrin:

Only kidding. I'll give them a call 2mrw for you guys.

Paul

[PREDATOR]

Thank You Paul!

[BasSpyder]

thanks!

[PREDATOR]

Still no word. Kinda bumed about it :(

[BasSpyder]

john have you gotten an email yet? i havent..paul any word on this?

[PREDATOR]

john have you gotten an email yet? i havent..paul any word on this?
I sure haven't, it's kind of depressing :cry:

[Shagmonkey]

Hi guys.

I've made ANOTHER call for you. Sorry :rolleyes:

Paul

[PREDATOR]

Hey Paul, I got this email sent to me. I don't really know how to reply with out stepping on your toes...

Hi John

Sorry for the delay in answering your email. We have had a couple of emails now asking us where to send the money to. We thought that all the kits were being bought on a group buy basis, can you clear this up for us. We need to work out what the freight will be sending all the kits out together, if we send them out individually the freight will be quite allot of money.

All we need is the details of the person that is organizing the group buy.

If you need anymore details please drop us a line.

Many Thanks
Steve Shanks
Twistedvision Ltd

[Shagmonkey]

Hi there,

Right. Been on the phone and sorted out ALL the confusion. Sorry about this.

Basically, what was decided is the following:

The payments will be made individualy to Twisted Vision
The kits will be made at the rate of approx 1 complete kit per week. Therefore, 6 people are interested so far*, means 6 weeks till shipment.
Container will be shipped to GMK who will then ship the boxes out to the individual people. The shipping for this final part will need to be paid for and sorted out between yourselves and GMK.

*
BigBalledOx
Bensenvill
Predator
S.BOOGIE2468
EricF
RyanW1

The size and weight for the complete kit box, is 104" x 28" x 34" and will weigh approx 45 kilos
I am about to send this info to GMK so he can start getting shipping quotes from his place to all your address's.

The shipping quote for getting the actual kits to your shores will be known in the next 1 - 2 days. Once we have this, we can then divide it by 6 and give you your total inclusive price. This means the price for the complete kit and shipping to the States. NOT the shiping from GMK to yourselves. Therefore, please DON'T pay any money yet. Twisted Vision want you all to know the complete cost (from our end) before you pay any monies.

I hope that makes sense. If anyone else can think of an easier way, please feel free to speak up :biggrin:

So, let us get the shipping quote and then the ball can realy start rolling.
Oh, and btw, the kits are still being made as we speak so this isn't causing any delays :)

[wadespencer99]

Are the spoilers being done the same way?

Sorry if I missed it somewhere....I would like just the upper spoiler. Can I get some details?

How much do I pay to Twisted Vision including shipping to the U.S.?

Does it then come directly to me, or to GMK to ship out to me?

Thanks...sorry if I'm confused.

[Shagmonkey]

No worries mate. I prob could have worded some of my mails better etc

With regards to spoilers, these can be bought direct by emailing Twisted Vision Direct

Prices are $200 each, plus shipping which they will advise you at the time of placing your order.
Just email them, explain you are from NECO (thus get the cheaper price), and give them your postal address. They will then mail you back with an all inclusive price.

Hope that's clear enough :biggrin:

Email addy is: TwistedVision@btconnect.com

I've even just started a new group buy thread for spoilers only. If I could remove the "Spoilers" word from the title of this thread I would. Again, sorry for any confusion I have caused you guys.

[bensenvill]

ok, I wanted to give people an idea of what shipping pricing will be
[I work for a shipping software company].
I had problems configuring the rating engine for the oversized package flag so this may be inaccurate, I'll have to wait until tomorrow when our shipping guru returns.

http://www.mrgoodbytes.com/images/neco/misc/shipme.jpg

oh ya, this would be pricing from chicago to my buddy in NC [both registered as non-residential... residential delivery adds a crapload]

[LostRacer]

umm..Terry..tell me just for the kit...what about he spoilers?

[bensenvill]

umm..Terry..tell me just for the kit...what about he spoilers?

well I dont know the weight or dimensions of the spoiler... if someone gets me specific shipping information, I can get you quotes [from every carrier.... I'll have to check but I should also be able to get quotes from several hundred different trucking companies for LTL shipments].... remember these quotes only apply to me shipping [if you notice, we get a pretty nice shipping discount]

[PREDATOR]

So, why does this go to GMK? Wouldn't it be easier to ship it to one of the six in the group buy? Also where is GMK located? I might opt to drive and pick it up instead of paying $700 some odd dollars for him to ship it to me... :banghead:

[wadespencer99]

I agree...I would ship to the most centrally located person of the 6 buyers. GMK is in North Carolina.

[bensenvill]

Ken's in NC, thats why I picked NC as the shipping location.

the logistics of WHY its being shipped to Ken make no sense... because as soon as its offloaded from the ship, its truck bound [otherwise known as LTL, less-than-truckload shipping], which is by far the cheapest portion of its journey, and the portion that you want to maximize the distance traveled... it makes no economic sense to truck it to ken when he's a few hours from the coast and then parcel them individually further into the states, its probably going to add 200 to everyones shipping cost.

[GrandMasterKhan]

if you guys can arrange another method of shipping then that would be excellent!

[Shagmonkey]

You guys tell me what you would like to do. :tongue:

When this was discussed months ago, it was decided that it would be best to ship all the kits to a central point in America, and then ship them from there.
Everyone agreed, so I then asked for someone to volunteer to be the central point. Only one person bothered and that was Mr GMK. Hence the kits being sent there.

Now I know nothing about shipping so I am very interested in any other "cheaper for you guys" ways of getting you the kits. Is it possible to ship the kits via container (which is what we are doing), then get the container opened at the port it arrives and the seperate boxes shipped off to the individual address's????

As I said, if you lot can come up with a better idea, just let me know and we'll do it. You guys are the customer so we will do whatever you want. :)

Cheers

Paul

[bensenvill]

You guys tell me what you would like to do. :tongue:

When this was discussed months ago, it was decided that it would be best to ship all the kits to a central point in America, and then ship them from there.
Everyone agreed, so I then asked for someone to volunteer to be the central point. Only one person bothered and that was Mr GMK. Hence the kits being sent there.

ahhh, well I'd be more than happy to help organize the shipping [suppositely this is what I do for a living anyways]. but I guess it depends where everyone else is that will require shipping [I'm in chicago which is about as central as you get].

so I looked deeper into the over-sized package issue from yesterday... so, yaaa, the box is simply too big for anyone other than fedex to deal with it. Everyone here is telling me that this really needs to be sent LTL rather than parcel so I'll start looking into getting truck rates.

[PREDATOR]

Sounds good to me... would you be able to get a quote to either Texas (79607) or Arizona (85309) both will be business addresses with a loading dock ;)

[bensenvill]

predator, pm me your full address and I'll give you a parcel post quote [LTL quotes will take some time].

or anyone else, it only takes me a minute to get the info.

[PREDATOR]

I'll have to get the Auto shops address I plan to have this kit sent to... give me till tomorrow. Thanks Bud!

[bensenvill]

I'll have to get the Auto shops address I plan to have this kit sent to... give me till tomorrow. Thanks Bud!


lol, no problem, you have no idea how happy it makes my boss when he sees me using our software as opposed to surfing this forum

[PREDATOR]

I pm'd you the complete address ;)

[Shagmonkey]

Just so everyone is aware, this group buy hasn't fallen through. Kits are being made as we speak. It's the shipping that is causing us problems (which is why any help you guys can give us would be very much appreciated).

So far the cheapest quote we have got for all 6 kits is £1900 which is about $3500 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's almost $600 shipping each for you all !!

As I said above, if anyone can help out, please speak up.

[PREDATOR]

And that's just the container. It's gonna cost another $700 to ship it thru freight when it gets stateside. $1,300 on shipping alone :eek:

[ND4SPD]

quick... someone buy a boat! sail over, pick them up, and sail back. :biggrin:

and bring me an upper rear spoiler too... but all I have to sell is my soul - any takers? :tongue:

[recliner15]

And that's just the container. It's gonna cost another $700 to ship it thru freight when it gets stateside. $1,300 on shipping alone :eek:

wow thats crazy

[Shagmonkey]

You guys come up with any ideas??? All open to suggestions here!

Or does someone want to buy the moulds and make the kits themselves over there??

[StealthyWeasel]

every active member send you 2 dollars. That'll cover some shipping costs. I mean, I don't know if everyone would do it but I would.

Honestly, you've put tons of hard work into this to make some dreams a reality. I'd gladly try that route.. I dunno about everyone else though..

[DEVIOUSDEV]

Or does someone want to buy the moulds and make the kits themselves over there??

And then pay to ship the moulds? :ugh:

[Shagmonkey]

Well the idea was someone buys the moulds and invests in themselves to make some money! You have to speculate to accumulate ! :biggrin:

Anyhow, I'm still waiting for people to advise what to do. Cheapest quote we can get to ship 6 kits to GMK is £890 which is approx $1,650
Divided by 6 you are looking at $275 each plus the cost of shipping to get them from GMK's house to your own.

[bensenvill]

now thats NOT bad!

heres the idea that eternalone threw at me, divide the kits into 2 or 3 boxes.

the problem with the kits is that they are bumping up against the upper limit for maximum box sizes.

[FastCougar]

Keep in mind, that's JUST shipping and doesn't include import duties ... I work for a logistics company: http://www.cavlog.com/

[bensenvill]

ahhhhh... I work for a shipping software company but we do absolutely nothing for importing from outside the US

[Shagmonkey]

You guys have to pay import tax on stuff imported from the UK??????

I just thought it was us over here that got bent over a barrel and rogered stupid by our goverment !

[FastCougar]

I'm not totally sure, but I will speak with our import department tomorrow about this ... I will keep everyone updated. Perhaps I could "broker" this thing :shrug:

How many kits are we talking about ... total weight? PROPERLY packaged for a cross sea faring ... what would be the deminisions of the crate?

[breaker44]

Would it still be possible to get in on this deal?
-Jim

[Shagmonkey]

It sure would.

Kits are being made, it's just the shipping thats causing a few headaches ! :)

[breaker44]

Okay, I emailed twisted vision to find out how much it would be to get the kit. I can let you know whether Im in or out depending on the price I get back.
Thanks,
Jim

[wadespencer99]

Paul, I've emailed Twisted Vision and can't seem to get a response from them...I need to know how much to pay them to get the upper S spoiler sent to me here in the states. Can you bump them a little bit for me next time you talk to them? I'd appreciate it!

[Shagmonkey]

Hi mate, I had a word with them on Wednesday. Hopefully you will get reply if you haven't already.

Feel free to PM me if you are still having any issues.

Cheers

Paul

[wadespencer99]

Thanks...I appreciate you checking on it for me!

Hopefully these guys send out products faster than they give shipping quotes :biggrin:

[FastCougar]

Found out that there WILL be taxes/duties to import. The only countries that we as American's don't pay duties on are from Canada and Mexico thanks to NAFTA. Not sure on the shipping cost yet. I need to know a few things first:

1) IF ALL THE kits where boxed individually AND then crated as one group, how big would the crate be? I don't feel like boxing kits after opening the crate.

2) Where exactly will these be picked up ... where is the manufacturer?

[NorCalCoug]

If you guys would like, I can ask my father about this- he's the VP of a logistics/shipping company that does global logistics. Give me further details (Container size, size of individual boxes that will be "parted" at the port and then shipped out individually, etc), and I'll see what I can do? I can't really promise anything, as I don't know what he can do. :)

[Shagmonkey]

I'll get the size of the individual boxes but yes, the idea was to box them all up seperatley (sp) so that once the container is opened over there, the individual boxes can just be mailed off to wherever they need to go.

As for their address over here, it is:

Twisted Vision
Unit 4
Key Lane Industrial Estate
Hard Way
Gosport
Hants
PO12 4LJ
U.K.

Hope that helps.

[Shagmonkey]

With regards to the info you requested, the boxes will be 104" x 28" x 34" and weigh about 45 kilos.

[Shagmonkey]

Any movement on this from your side of the pond ??

[azbobbybooshay10]

I'm just wondering, have the kits actually been made yet?

[Shagmonkey]

The kits are being made as we speak.
They have already fitted one kit to another Cougar in the UK.
They have an order for another kit in Spain.
They have sold quite a few spoilers both here and a couple in the USA.

Twisted intend to get all the kits made and boxed up and ready to go by the end of September. However, of the 6 people that have shown an interest, only 3 have emailed Twisted Vision.
I am assuming the other 3 were waiting for final details of the shipping. However, we have supplied the best quote we can get for getting the kits to a dock in America, we are now just waiting for someone to help you lot out with regards to collecting and distributing from your side of the pond.

So, any news on this fellas?? :biggrin:

[PREDATOR]

I have a buddy in Spain I'm trying to go through for this on my end. I also have a huge move coming up and I need to buy a house... so right now all my money is going into my savings account for any unexpected costs and what not ;)

[bensenvill]

well my car was in a bit of an accident the other week and goes in for body work and paint on tuesday. I was originally holding out on a repaint until I could get the S kit. I cant say I'm very keen on paying out twice to paint my car.

I am having the car prepped to take the upper/lower spoiler and will be contacting them about that.

but as of right now, I'm very sketchy about getting the full kit.

[Shagmonkey]

Predator.
Are you going through CTC, who in turn is going through me? I only want to clarify because as far as Twisted Vision are concerned, they will make 6 kits for you US guys and an extra one for this guy in Spain. 7 in total. However, if the one in Spain is in fact for you, then I need to tell them to only make 6 kits in total.

Cheers

Paul

[Shagmonkey]

Any news on the shipping side of things?? If we don't hear anything I will assume that the Group buy isn't / can't go ahead :(

[Shagmonkey]

This is looking deader than a dead thing on a very dead day in the dead middle of winter ! :rofl: