Turbos and true duals for EVERYONE! Even you Bobby!

[COOGAH]

How the fcuk you guys doin? Good I hope, anyway heres the deal...

PROJECT: Suicidal Tendencies has taken another turn, for the better.

I've decided to do a full 3.0 upgrade, direct port nitrous, and twin turbo setup. Now before you guys laugh at me, I have a way to make this work. That is actually the reason why I am writing this message.

Some of you may know that i'm going to be starting a dyno business soon. It is called Xcessive Performance. Matt (ND4SPD) even helped me come up with some great logos. Well, I was worried about only offering one product/service at XP. So I figured what the hell, what else can I offer? One day it dawned on me... a while back I wanted the supercharger for the atx, because I wanted forced induction... but as time grew on I grew impatient. I decided to look into the option of turbos. With alot of planning, drawing, and working with some people in the industry, a remote turbo and twin turbo setup is definitely possible. Which again, is why I am writing this to all of you. Impractical? So the fvck what?

Now, my question to the wonderful people of NECO... how many of you ATX owners want to turbo your cars? How many of you want a twin turbo setup? Even if you guys just want straight pipes, or even true duals? The real purpose of me asking this is... I could go into some random exhaust shop and pay alot of money for the tube kit, or the true duals. -OR-... I could buy a mandrel and "do it myself." Yeah, i'll have help doing this, but the main concern is cost. This is going to cost alot. Why not try to make some of it back and give NECO what they really want?

Here is the gauge of interest for the following:


True Dual Kit: This will replace everything from the headers back. Here are the options:

Aluminized true duals
Stainless true duals
-optional resonators/cats
-optional mufflers
-optional tips
-optional custom tuned chip


ATX/MTX Single Turbo Kit (remote mount): This will replace all intake and exhaust components (except uim/lim/tb).

Includes:

Exhaust from y-pipe back
-optional muffler
-optional cat
-optional tip
Turbo
-Optional trim/size
Injectors
MAF
Oil Delivery/return
Intake components
Front mount intercooler(FMIC) and piping
-optional custom tuned chip



ATX/MTX Twin Turbo Kit (remote mount): This will replace all intake and exhaust components (except uim/lim/tb).

Includes:

Exhaust from y-pipe back
-optional mufflers
-optional cats
-optional tips
Turbos
-Optional trims/sizes
Injectors
MAF
Oil Delivery/return
Intake components
Front mount intercooler(FMIC) and piping
-optional custom tuned chip

As it stands right now, based on the current plans, you'll need to run my custom true dual exhaust.



MTX Single Turbo Kit (turbo in engine bay): Will replace headers, intake, and y-pipe components.

Includes:

Downpipe
Turbo
-optional trim and size
Intake components
Injectors
Front mount intercooler (fmic) piping
MAF
Oil Delivery/return
-optional custom tuned chip



Now for the juicy part. You guys have got to be wondering how much this siht is gonna cost. Well, to be honest, it is really hard to say.

But... i'm going to throw some ballparks out here.


Aluminized true duals with resonators and mufflers - around $650. Depends on the options you choose (muffler, tips, resonators etc)

Stainless true duals with resonators and mufflers - around $800. Depends on the options you choose (muffler, tips, resonators etc)

For the remote mount ATX/MTX Single Turbo Kit (all aluminized piping)- around $3,000 with 5 definite buyers, $2750 with 10 definite buyers and the price will keep dropping with more buyers. Again, this is just gauging interest. None of this is written in stone (yet). If you want stainless piping, add $300 to the price.

For the MTX Single TUrbo Kit (turbo in engine bay) - Again, same structure (5 people - $3,500, 10 people - $3,200, etc).

For the remote mount ATX/MTX Twin Turbo Kit - Same structure as above (5 people - $4,000, 10 people - $3700, etc). Add $350 to the price for all stainless tubing. You WILL need true duals for this setup... i'll include the true duals at cost plus $50 if you buy this kit.

But, what if you don't want the twin turbo kit, but want true duals attached to your single turbo kit? Sorry, I can't do that yet.

Custom tuned chips!!! Yes, I know you want them. Half off if you want the chip with any of the above turbo kits ($400 value, you get for $200 - WOW!!!11!). If you want the chip with any of the true dual setups, knock $100 off the price... $300 total - $100 savings!!!! If you are just a crazy NECO person and want one of my chips, take off $50 from the total price, obviously because I love you... even you Bobby!

I would like to re-iterate, I am JUST gauging interest. I have been thinking about this for a long time, but now I want to know how feasible it is.

If you are still reading this and are plagued by questions... email me at sales@xcessiveperformance.net and i'll answer as soon as possible.

[Tygerr]

Sounds good. Go for it. I'd love a true dual exhaust.

[mond12345]

Hope you can get it all going! Good Luck :)

[ND4SPD]

yay!

Got the logos opened up in photoshop right now actually :) working on something special that just came to my mind.

Send me a PM sometime bigguy! must discuss things! :biggrin:

[gyger]

Sounds cool.
Few questions
1.) Who's doing the tunning for the set up and Custom Burned chips?
2.) Realistically when do you think you'll be purchasing dyno equipment for
your shop?
3.) In floor or trailor dyno? (I would go trailor) seems to be more on the upkeep but more money going to shows and stuff.
4.) Do you actually have someone that is prepared to possibly fab up a kit
for this car?

I would like to see a cheap single turbo kit for the MTX Coug.....hell who
wouldn't?

[theandysho]

Sadly, I'd be all over the twin turbo ATX, but can build it myself for 'round 1500. Good luck tho, and Mike, how's the Fusion treating ya?

[gyger]

Sadly, I'd be all over the twin turbo ATX, but can build it myself for 'round 1500. Good luck tho, and Mike, how's the Fusion treating ya?

haha not to get off topic but it has been ordered and should arrive
Wed. or Thursday....I owe you a beer big time dood! He hooked me
up SEL, Charcoal Beige, 17" rims wOOt!

Once again good luck Sami! I would definetly jump back into the cougar
project if I could snag a Turdblow kit for cheap and do it myself.

[COOGAH]

ideally i will be getting an all-wheel dyno in the shop AND a tralier. i will be doing the chips. dyno equipment will be purchased within the next 3 mopnths. me and a handful of knowledgeable people will be fabbing it ourselves on my car.

and andy, its true, but you are providing your own labor and don't need to offset the cost of buying all the stuff i have to to do it. thats the whole purpose of this post. i just thought maybe i can make some money off of this. try to offer something cheaper than anything anyone else is offering but still make some money.

anyway, thanks for posting guys, and keep the comments coming...preferably nice, inspirational, pat-on-the-ass, type of comments

[tr0nic]

I'll pat you on the ass, come downstairs big boy! :naughty:

[Nemesis]

I'll pat you on the ass, come downstairs big boy! :naughty:


ohhh my ghey.....

[tr0nic]

ohhh my ghey.....

We live together, what do you expect? Sh!t, just this morning I woke up to a reach around. He is such a gracious roomie!

</hijak>

These kits are going to be awesome, i've seen the sketches and plans. WOW. Depending on the options with the single/twin setups, you could easily be over the 400hp mark :bowdown: (with supporting mods). I can't wait to see some of these bad boys in action.

[cvsmightymouse24]

I'm game!

[PREDATOR]

Sounds interesting! I can't wait to see the first twin turbo setup for a cougar :biggrin:

[Sabio]

Hurry up and do it already. i want to these things in action!

[Instigator]

i hate to me a naysayer but, 2 turbos underneath the car?!?!?! :eek:

thats a piping nightmare, among having absolute no room for the giant intake pipe (at least 2.5") coming from those 2 compressor outlets. where are you going to have that come from to meet the throttle body? especially if you have a FMIC? ive seen the ATX and ive seen the room, and i wouldnt do this if i won the lottery.

more power to ya......i really sincerely hope you know what youre in for.....because i would hate to see all these poeple gets their hopes up about a "twin turbo V6 ATX omg stfu holy hell thats cool" and then gets their balls busted cuz you had design/fabrication issues.

Good luck.

[rufus]

sounds awesome cant wait to see the final prodject

[CougarGuy939]

definately interested in this but dont wanna be the first guniea pig to do it

[bensenvill]

mmm ambitious.

I cant say I'd be interested in a turbo [unless the fit and finish was top top quality]. But I would definitely consider true duals if you produced them.

[Afroman]

Along with the piping, I would highly suggest the first person who gets a twin turbo ATX to have all the needed transmission upgrades done a head of time.

To be honest, I would HIGHLY suggest going the way of a remote mounted SINGLE turbo for a MTX.

This will be the easiest job to out of all the plans you have. It will allow you to gain knowelge of how good your personal are at fabbing and problem solving. It will also be the fastest to complete. This way you have something that "Works" and drives to prove to all the nay sayers that you CAN do it.

It will also be a good break in for your business, not biting off more you can chew. More importantly not have a huge money sink when you first start out.


Good luck!

[theandysho]

Meh, I don't care, It'll be gone in six months anyway... blow that slushbox apart!:biggrin:



BUT...




:evil:


what WOULD I have to do to bump up the trans enough?

[tr0nic]

Meh, I don't care, It'll be gone in six months anyway... blow that slushbox apart!:biggrin:



BUT...




:evil:


what WOULD I have to do to bump up the trans enough?

If you have an ATX... either level 10 rebuild, or simply a high stall torque converter.

If you have an MTX... new shift forks, limited slip differential, stage 2+ clutch, lightweight flywheel.

[tr0nic]

definately interested in this but dont wanna be the first guniea pig to do it

First guinea pig will be Sami's ATX. Once it is completed, I believe he will dyno it then scan the plots for everyone to see... along with sound/video clips. I can't wait to see it myself!

[crazyoldcougar]

for a twin turbo setup wouldn't you have to somehow split or custom build a dual intake manifold as well? seems funny to put both turbos to one TB? the two turbos would be be run off opposite sides of the engine wouldnt they, one off each header.?

Meh what do i know...other then nothing about turbo's...

this thread just really peaked my interest..and since i have a four banger it really makes no dfference to me...lol

but all the power to you if you can get it done...

[PREDATOR]

I wish we could get someone to produce an Upper Intake manifold with 6 individual throttle bodies. Now that would be tight for a N/A setup :thumbsup:

[fordrule]

i just put my car in storage for a year. that a good as any test mule...with a untuned 3L also......

[bensenvill]

I wish we could get someone to produce an Upper Intake manifold with 6 individual throttle bodies. Now that would be tight for a N/A setup :thumbsup:


hehehehe :rolleyes:




its easier than you think.

[Instigator]

for a twin turbo setup wouldn't you have to somehow split or custom build a dual intake manifold as well? seems funny to put both turbos to one TB? the two turbos would be be run off opposite sides of the engine wouldnt they, one off each header.?

Meh what do i know...other then nothing about turbo's...

this thread just really peaked my interest..and since i have a four banger it really makes no dfference to me...lol

but all the power to you if you can get it done...

the 2 compressor outlets would converge into one intake pipe, and i have no idea where that intake pipe is going to fit without being bringing up a huge ground clearance issue.....

[CougarGuy939]

the 2 compressor outlets would converge into one intake pipe, and i have no idea where that intake pipe is going to fit without being bringing up a huge ground clearance issue.....


ya i dont know to much about this but it seems like ground clearance is going to become an issue, especially if you going to lower it and most of us are or have already

[Clutch]

for a twin turbo setup wouldn't you have to somehow split or custom build a dual intake manifold as well? seems funny to put both turbos to one TB? the two turbos would be be run off opposite sides of the engine wouldnt they, one off each header.?

Meh what do i know...other then nothing about turbo's...

this thread just really peaked my interest..and since i have a four banger it really makes no dfference to me...lol

but all the power to you if you can get it done...

Two turbos going through one MAF and one TB is typical.

[Aeglos]

Wow, this could get interesting. A single turbo kit for a MTX would be sweet, let alone being mated with true duals. I'll keep a watch on this!

[bensenvill]

Wow, this could get interesting. A single turbo kit for a MTX would be sweet, let alone being mated with true duals. I'll keep a watch on this!

ummm.... how would you do a single turbo with true duals???

[Aeglos]

Hm... good point. It's been a busy night, didn't get a chance to think about it real hard.

[dyed4ordblue]

ADC is $6000, A custom turbo kit installed, dyno tuned here in VA is $6500-$7500.... I don't think I can stress enough that I am interested in a turbo kit for $3500 or less!!! I see some figures and I will take out a loan!!

[whitecougar]

im down for one if it all works and looks good

[cvsmightymouse24]

ADC is $6000, A custom turbo kit installed, dyno tuned here in VA is $6500-$7500.... I don't think I can stress enough that I am interested in a turbo kit for $3500 or less!!! I see some figures and I will take out a loan!!


If your paying that much to get your car tuned, you have just been kicked in the balls. A Dyno shop here in PA is $150 for 5 pulls and they garuntee tuning, so if your paying in the grand figures thats just insane!!!!!!

[COOGAH]

he said he would be paying that much for a turbo, turbo install AND the dyno tuning for that much.


fuh shizzle!!!

[tr0nic]

Yea Yea-uh!

[Sabio]

I'm really looking foward to this

[bael]

definately interested in a single setup on an MTX. unfortunately, most likely at least a year down the road.

[Blackcoog]

You can't tune a car unless you buy a chip, piggy back system, or some way to tune it. I know shops around here that will tune my Apexi S-AFC for $130 but it cost $300 for my S-AFC and I installed it. With a SCT chip you end up paying close to $400 for the chip and the tune. So $500 isn't outrageous for a dyno tune with a SCT chip.

As far as the turbo just like all the others that have come and gone I'll believe it when I see it. Are you going to run an intercooler? For the rear mounts how are you going to run the MAF? You would have to run a blow through MAF with a rear mount turbo setup. From what I've heard blow through MAF's suck to tune. Are you using stainless steel piping? What turbo are you using? What about the numerous 3L guys? Larger piping or turbo upgrades for them?

ADC is making a cheaper kit currently. I'm guessing it will be in the $3000 range.

[Topik]

Back to the ground clearance issue. The ADC downpipe is a tight fit to the car and still rubs on the ground like a mofo depending if the car is lowered or not. Im interested in seeing what the design looks like.

[Anthology]

wow this sounds pretty awesome, i hoep you can get it all working, by the time its ready, i might be intersted in the twin turbo setup...

[Cossack]

hehehehe :rolleyes:




its easier than you think.


than why hasnt it been done.

[BobKaBob]

If you have an ATX... either level 10 rebuild, or simply a high stall torque converter.

If you have an MTX... new shift forks, limited slip differential, stage 2+ clutch, lightweight flywheel.I highly doubt the CD4E will take the additional HP with simply the level 10 TC... Mine is gone straight to hell with just a 3L and the level 10 TC... if its possible to see 400HP, it wont be through a stock CD4E for more than a month before the clutches turn to goo. a FMIC would only add to the headaches since even i need a HUGE tranny cooler to keep mine at operating temps...
I'm not saying its impossible, but i wouldn't attempt the turbo on a stock cd4e... unless you like buying new stuff and doing trannys in a CDW-27

i would like an exhaust too, tim ;)

[Unknown2k]

Man if you can sell turbo kits for that much, You might as well mark me down as a sale right now NO JOKE

[azbobbybooshay10]

The trouble I've found in my research on CEG on true duals is the balance pipe, aka H-pipe. The trouble is that you need to put this precisly (sp) at the place where the "pulse points" meet up. This differs on every car, from what I was told. Basically to find it is draw a line with a crayon down a straight piece of exhaust pipe attached to the exhaust manifolds and find where those points are parallel. Its not something that is "universal" to all our engines, according to the CEG'ers.

You could always do true duals where you dont have any H-pipe or anything, but then it would sound like two 3-cylinder engines. :puke: I've got all the resources at my disposal to do it properly, but its nearly impossible to make an H-pipe that performs equally on each different engine.

I hope I'm not sounding like I'm trying to bash you for the idea, I'm just trying to give you a heads up on the troubles with a "true dual kit".

If you can make the twin turbo kit, :drool:

BTW, are there ANY Cougar's out there that have TRUE duals, or will I be the first one? Something I've just been curious about...

[Tygerr]

No cougar true duals that I know of. Only demon has 'em on this board to my knowledge, I'd like true duals but I can't see paying out the money. That information on the pulse points seems to be correct though.

[Diabetic Dog]

If you can get a working twin turbo you can count me in! I want it all! Good luck man, I'm counting on you!

[fordrule]

there is a mazda 6 with a twin turbo setup on a v6 and a FMIC installed i remember posting pics in the forced induction sections....let me see if i cna find the thread

edit: here is the thread about the twin turbo (http://newcougar.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79214)

and the mazda 6 forum post (http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=22354)

[tr0nic]

That is one concept I was thinking about using... except the pipe routing would be a little different with the cougar.

[CougarTaylor]

As far as the Individual Throttle setup, I've been working on it for about a year and a half off and on. It's not quite there yet, but I have a 1987 Toyota Corolla that a company donated a Silver Top 20V 4AGE that comes stock with ITB's. When it gets here I'm gonna study the setup on it to get a better Idea on how to finish it. I already made a top piece for it that will be bonded to the opening on the bottom of the scoop on my Kami hood so it will have the ram air feed. A K&N flat filter fits to the bottom of the top piece. When I finish the setup and get the height that I want, I'll make the piece to join the top of the ITB's that will mate up to the filter. I'm hoping to use the new Greddy E-manage (The second version) that allows you to eliminate the MAF.
Hopefully I'll finish, but I'm not really in any big hurry. I'm just trying to get the Corolla finished, but if I get it done, I'll post up some pics. I'll go ahead and post up some pics of what I do have completed as soon as I can.

[bensenvill]

I was just planning on double stacking 2 LIM... I'm not going to go into details. if you wanna debate the feasability, start a new topic.

It would be solely for novelty.

[UserDrew]

So. . . the title is "Turbos and true duals for EVERYONE! Even you Bobby!", when do I get mine? :rofl:

[XplosivePlushToy]

A few months from now I'm going to start a special true duals project on my car, side exit and all. When I finish it I'll send you whatever sketches and "during" and "after" photographs I take.

[CougarTaylor]

Oh i'm so sorry to have been a bother and taken up space on this tread. It's not like i'm the only one to mention it. (Sorry, but the way your comment comes across when read, it appears that you are being rude. If not, I appologise again, and I'll delete my post.)

[COOGAH]

A few months from now I'm going to start a special true duals project on my car, side exit and all. When I finish it I'll send you whatever sketches and "during" and "after" photographs I take.

The fuel lines are the biggest issue with true duals and side exits. Get those too hot and everything goes boom. but show me what you've got when your done, i'd love that

[bensenvill]

Oh i'm so sorry to have been a bother and taken up space on this tread. It's not like i'm the only one to mention it. (Sorry, but the way your comment comes across when read, it appears that you are being rude. If not, I appologise again, and I'll delete my post.)

lol, ya I reread what I wrote and that came off wrong. it should've been more to the effect, "if you think MY idea is stupid, please start a new topic if you want to flame me" and that "I only intend on doing this as a novelty".

[fordrule]

i still would like to see some one produce and stick with an idea and fight back all the BS and flaming they get about a kit. if it is designed well why wouldn't it work?

[Instigator]

i still would like to see some one produce and stick with an idea and fight back all the BS and flaming they get about a kit. if it is designed well why wouldn't it work?

becasue two turbos are insanely complicated, even more when they arent even in the engine bay!:crazy: add on top of that maf wiring, oil pumps, oil lines, intake pipes, etc.

IMHO, i think the true duals are a great idea and a great thing to try and market. but a remote mount twin turbo = nucking futs........

dont take my points negatively, i want nothing more than sami and everyone actually proving me wrong and making such a engineering monstrosity.

i said it before and ill say it again. Good luck.:gitrdone:

[fordrule]

i was saying TT in the engine bay not remote like that mazda 6

[Instigator]

i was saying TT in the engine bay not remote like that mazda 6

TT in the engine bay would be just as much of a headache, and when you think about it......theres no room. even with two small turbos, theyd be too small to make any significant power.

[ilovemycar]

even with two small turbos, theyd be too small to make any significant power.

Tell me about it. I raced a MX-6 at the track on time with "two T2's on his 2.5 V6" and he got beat pretty bad...i was ALMOST stock.

It looked pretty simple but his 10psi was obvioulsy weak.

[CougarTaylor]

It's cool man.

[fordrule]

put me down for a single turbo set up .......lol i am in korea for a year so i have time to wait for the kit to come out and all of the bugs to be worked out

[fordrule]

So when is all of this starting? by fest or later in the summer.

[tr0nic]

I think he said the first few kits will be done in time for fest. ;)

[fordrule]

i wish i could drive my car to fest......

[tr0nic]

Never know... you may be able to!

[Neilsan]

i dont want to read 7 pages.

pm me info on true dual pricing and pics when theyre available.

[fordrule]

i dont want to read 7 pages.

pm me info on true dual pricing and pics when theyre available.


bump or any new news

[shadowfox28]

if da single turbo can put out 15 pounds of boost for my 3l ill be game

[StealthyWeasel]

if da single turbo can put out 15 pounds of boost for my 3l ill be game

lol

[Instigator]

if da single turbo can put out 15 pounds of boost for my 3l ill be game

turbo's dont "put out" PSI. They flow CFM. PSI is a measurement of a characteristic of air.

www.howstuffworks.com

they have a turbo section.

Go read it :)

:rofl:

[tr0nic]

Be nice Mark!!!

[1COUGAR99]

turbo's dont "put out" PSI. They flow CFM. PSI is a measurement of a characteristic of air.

www.howstuffworks.com

they have a turbo section.

Go read it :)

:rofl:

So true though. There's this facination with psi and most completely disregard CFM. 15psi on what?.....a T2 or a T78. One wouldn't do jack for your motor while the other would jack it up and have you cleaning up chunks of metal.

[Instigator]

Be nice Mark!!!

that was me being nice.

i could have made fun of him:tongue:

all i did was correct him and tell him to read something:poke:

[Unknown2k]

SOOoooo whats going on guys ...... any news

[fordrule]

and then..............ia mstill waiting on something...........

[rb26deet32]

Am I the only one who has never heard of remote turbos? Do you mean turbos that are not directly mounted to the exhaust manifold? But instead have piping that goes from the exhaust mani to the turbo and so on? And easy way to answer is to say if remote turbos are like TA and GTO turbos? Their turbos are in between their exhaust tips right next to the axle.

I've had two turbo cars before and have never heard of remote turbos. But I think I know what your talking about.

But I do know how much of a problem all the tubing is going to be. And Im also interested in if you are going to have larger parts for us 3.0L guys.

I'd probably just want a single because I can't see a twin working as good. But I'd like to see it when your done.

GOOD LUCK!!:thumbsup:

[rb26deet32]

fordrule, I just read you signature about the farting and laughed for a good minute and a half. It doesn't seem that funny now but it was right when I read it. I guess I wasn't ready or something.:biggrin:

[pgtatx]

fordrule, I just read you signature about the farting and laughed for a good minute and a half. It doesn't seem that funny now but it was right when I read it. I guess I wasn't ready or something.:biggrin:


That was another one of my many useless quotes... I create them daily... one day I will publish a book. It'll be a coffee table piece filled with quotes that no one in their right mind would ever use.

The original quote was written in context of people not understanding PSI vs. CFM... It probably made more sense then... if it ever made any sense at all.

[fordrule]

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[rb26deet32]

That was another one of my many useless quotes... I create them daily... one day I will publish a book. It'll be a coffee table piece filled with quotes that no one in their right mind would ever use.

The original quote was written in context of people not understanding PSI vs. CFM... It probably made more sense then... if it ever made any sense at all.

Well keep them coming. Some funny stuff. Maybe their not as funny in context though. It was funny because I just read it and it was out of no where. Good stuff

[cougarprophet]

That was another one of my many useless quotes... I create them daily... one day I will publish a book. It'll be a coffee table piece filled with quotes that no one in their right mind would ever use.

The original quote was written in context of people not understanding PSI vs. CFM... It probably made more sense then... if it ever made any sense at all.

i remember that convo ..it had to deal with psi beng used to describe turbos....i had it for my sig for a while then got replaced

[rb26deet32]

Any news on either the single or twin turbo for mtx's?

[rb26deet32]

cough, cough...

[fordrule]

i think we are getting ignored.......i was wanting a single turbo but the vortech kit or thomas knight might belooking good by the time this comes out lol

[CheapROUSHparts]

We develop turbo kit's for Vw's and it takes thousands of hours to correctly build a kit and get it to production snuff. He's got to wait for dyno's (6-8 weeks) and a mandrel bender and all of his loans to come through. Mandrel benders are not cheap, a normal crimp bender will run 3-12K depending on options, just imagine what a Mandrel bender is. A decent AWD dyno runs 55K and up...

I am curious though as to how he's burning chips and what ECU is in the cougar.

[tr0nic]

The dyno takes 8-10 weeks because it is custom built for each company. Mandrel benders are actually not as expensive as everyone seems to think... roughly 5-7k for a decent one that handles dies up to 4"

The AWD dyno we are going towards it 90k, all inclusive.

This turbo production has been put on hold until after Cougarfest.

[rb26deet32]

thanks for the update. I guess I'll just go nitrous until it comes out. Looks like I have a good amount of time.

[fordrule]

cool i will still be here in korea waiting ...

thanks for the update tim

[CheapROUSHparts]

I'd like you to show me where to find a mandrel bender for cheaper than 20K thats decent even if its not computer controlled.

[tr0nic]

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