oh, look what I found coming

[gdburke]

Duratec 35

The Duratec 35 (code-name Cyclone) is a new 3.5 L V6 that will appear in the Fall of 2006. It is an all-aluminum engine based on the Duratec 30, and adds variable cam timing on the intake side, a feature already found on the Jaguar AJ30 and Mazda AJ versions of the 3.0. Its displacement can be increased to 3.8 liters, meaning a Duratec 38 could come soon after.

The new heads relocate all accessory drives to the front of the engine with a flush chain drive, saving space. The new combustion chambers are reshaped as well. Gasoline direct injection and turbocharging can be added later. A dual-stage variable length intake manifold, centrally-located sparkplugs, and a 10.3:1 compression ratio are other features.

Engine output could reach 300 hp (224 kW), but will probably be 250 hp (186 kW) and 240 ft·lbf (325 N·m) for most applications, still a substantial upgrade in power from the Duratec 30.

The engine is the same size as the Duratec 30, and should be usable in all vehicles currently using that engine and its derivatives. The company expects the engine to be used in one fifth of all Ford products by the end of the decade.

The aluminum block is made by Teksid in Alabama, while the heads come from Nemak in Mexico, and the crankshaft comes from Bharat Forge of India. The engine will be assembled in Lima, Ohio, with expansion planned in Cleveland Engine Plant #1. Production begins in 2006. The Duratec 35 will replace the Duratec 30 in some applications (notably the Ford Five Hundred) by the end of that year, but the Duratec 30 will continue in production.

Applications:

* 2007 Ford Edge
* 2007 Lincoln Aviator
* Ford Mustang
* Lincoln LS
* Jaguar S-Type

[BigBalledOX]

I thought this was discussed and everyone concluded the engine was Too Tall Jones to fit.

[gdburke]

oh, I haven't been on here that long, just been looking around and came across it. I would think there would be someway of making it work. Guess we'll just have to wait and see

[BigBalledOX]

Hehe, its all good, and I could be completely wrong, hell, it'd be nice if I was. But there's some real hardcore junkies on here that explore every possible sniff of performance. Its also entirely possible it was a different Duratec altogether.

[CougarGuy939]

it would be interesting if we could get that one to work, with a base of 250HP and turbo being very possible

[gdburke]

Yeah just reading on the engine it is a 3.0 that was bored out to 3.5 and relocating things to make it space saving..... it just might work. It would be really awsome to drop in an engine like that and have 250 to 300 hp stock to work with before doing any mods to it.

[Funkboy316]

it was discussed that it wouldnt work because of the VCT also.

[mosoblkcougar]

Why couldn't you just use 3.0 heads on it to make it a 3.5l hybrid? That would cure the VCT problem, right?

[Rikenbomb]

Thing is will oil lines and such mate up properly? Who wants to be the first gineau pig?

[Rikenbomb]

:disgust:

[1COUGAR99]

The blocks aren't the same exact size. The block is all new, although the exact specs are not out yet some think that it is going to be at least 18mm longer. The bolt pattern for the trans also appears to be different which means a custom bellhousing adapter and the waterpump has been moved. Head over to CEG, this has been hashed on for quite some time now. Here's a fantastic write up on it,(thanks to procyon) http://www.sae.org/automag/techbriefs/01-2006/1-114-1-17.pdf.

To sum up what they said.....even if you could get the VCT to work, the platform itself can barely hold the power of a turbo 2.5L, let alone a turbo 3L. It really doesn't make sense except for being different.

But if you have a whole load of cash burning a hole in your pocket and good fabrication skills why not :biggrin:.

[Cossack]

well who said it had to be turbo. why not just put it in as a 3.5NA it would be cheaper than a 2.5T and 250 HP would be sweet. also with tuning and extrude hone on the intaks and a straight exhaust you would probably be able to get up to 270 hp.

[STS]

also, if ford is planning to run it in 20% of their new vehicles odds are that there will be a stronger aftermarket support in terms of performance parts, something that the Duratec30 is very much lacking.

[Blackcoog]

The engine is slightly larger and the accessories are all changed around. I bet the AC condensor and alternator won't bolt up. The waterpump is now embeded in the engine some how so those connections would be different. The transmission bellhousing is different so we would need an adapter plate further extending the length of the engine. Pretty much any extension in length would make the swap nearly impossible. There is so little room when the engine and transmission come out I'm not even sure if half an inch could be added for it to work unless you brought the engine up from the bottom. Stick with the 3.0L people.

[Cossack]

yeah im gonna go with a 3L after i get out of basic because ill have about 4K+ sitting in a bank account

[XplosivePlushToy]

yeah im gonna go with a 3L after i get out of basic because ill have about 4K+ sitting in a bank account

Dont get your hopes up on that 4K. I left bootcamp with 2700 as a PFC in the longest bootcamp of any of the services. E-3 is only maybe 50 more a month if you are contract. The first month you dont even get paid, all that money goes towards paying for uniforms and such, because the gov't is not allowed to issue uniforms but rather pay you a deposit so that you can go and purchase them yourself. Stupid, eh? :crazy:

[Aeglos]

yeah im gonna go with a 3L after i get out of basic because ill have about 4K+ sitting in a bank account
+1 to what Bryce said. They're gonna take that first month's pay real quick, and even when you get out, $500 is gonna go for all that food you've been dreaming about for 3 months while you eat some NASTY food... 80 guys eating in 8 minutes. :crazy:

Anyways, don't count on having bank right out of basic. I've been in almost 2 years, just got married, and I'm barely breaking even.

[doublebacker4l69]

+1 to what Bryce said. They're gonna take that first month's pay real quick, and even when you get out, $500 is gonna go for all that food you've been dreaming about for 3 months while you eat some NASTY food... 80 guys eating in 8 minutes. :crazy:

Anyways, don't count on having bank right out of basic. I've been in almost 2 years, just got married, and I'm barely breaking even.

well that really depends...if your AIT is god awfully long...like 75L or whatever that nomenclature is for "Field Medic"...you're looking at 45 weeks of AIT + BCT, which means mucho denero. Also, I've never had any deductions because of "uniforms" or "food"? :crazy: but idk, my MOS training was only 6 weeks...but I still came out with just around $5000, + my enlistment bonus lump sum of $1,500 (you have to nag your unit admin. for that)...I did pretty good

[Aeglos]

USMC boot camp. 13 weeks of hell, and you pay them out of your paycheck for it. I'm an AV-8B avionics tech, I'm SUPPOSED to get a $4k bonus out of MOS school for this job... but did my recruiter tell me that? **** no!

On that note, make sure you've got a MOS (military occupational specialty, a job) before you go. Don't go open contract, you'll end up cooking. And DO bug the PISS out of your recruiter for any bonus you can get!

Edit: BTW, me and Bryce aren't 'jacking another thread. Someone's gotta give the kid a head's-up! "We now return to your regularly scheduled thread." ;)

[XplosivePlushToy]

I was supposed to get a 4k bonus as well...until they took my MOS and threw me into the open contract bin because of something on my record that doesnt actually exist. It also depends on the branch I guess. I know the Corps steals every dime from you they can possibly get. Branches with a bit more financial power such as the Air Force might not nickel and dime you. Either way, basic for the other branches is at most 8 weeks. Base pay for an E-3 is $1456 a month plus change (before taxes). So, in the 2 month period you will spend in the boot you will leave with AT MOST $2900. Take away taxes and you are looking at roughly $2600, depending on what state you have residence in. If the recruiter told you you would have $4k out of basic, remember these 2 key words. RECRUITERS LIE!

[Cossack]

im 11x with special forces intent and also 2+ years in jrotc, 14 weeks OSUT with a 12,000 sign on bonus ill get 5,000 after osut. and the other 7,000 after 4 years.

i may not have exactly 4k+ after basic but i can always get a VA loan after 6 months if i want.

though i may say **** it and get a BMW. BTW i like to **** with my recruiters their just so fake.

[XplosivePlushToy]

I wouldnt go all out and buy a high dollar car. Military personnel dont make a damned thing until you hit staff NCO or officer. You'd probably be best off sticking with the Cougar. I was looking into buying a 350z not too long ago but only because I was getting assigned to a unit that frequently goes to Iraq. Those overseas combat deployments typically net you $10K in the bank when you get home. Unfortunately my assignment changed and now I wont be going for a fairly long time. If you do get the BMW make sure your payments are under $330 or so a month, and at most, $130-$150 in insurance. You wont be able to afford much more. My roommate currently has a 2000 MR2 and he is just barely scraping by payments for it, at $345 a month plus $120 insurance. Lucky for him hes currently in the sandbox for 8 months and will come home to a nice fat bank account.

[Cossack]

well i figure ill probably get sent to the sand box pretty quick and make sargent after about 2 years if i stay infantry. but time will tell.

[Aeglos]

make sargent after about 2 years if i stay infantry
That's "sergeant", and don't get your hopes up. You'd be lucky to get E-5 in under 4 years.

[XplosivePlushToy]

well i figure ill probably get sent to the sand box pretty quick and make sargent after about 2 years if i stay infantry. but time will tell.

SGT in 2 years in the infantry!?!? You are joking right? This is a funny ha ha moment right? Regardless of the branch, the infantry is THE hardest to get promoted. You'll be lucky to pick up SGT in your FIRST ENLISTMENT, let alone 2 years. Hell, in the Corps infantry I know 4 year E-3's that are stellar Marines.

EDIT: Wheres the hi-jacked icon?

[Aeglos]

I think yours and mine South Park avatars, repeated over and over IS the hijacked emoticon! (should be a way to simplify it though...)

Speaking of which, I know a few we need to submit! I need to go find 'em!