View Full Version : '03 MTX Cavi vs MTX '99 Coug. V6
BlackBetty
02-03-2006, 07:15 AM
Hey my buddy keeps talking smack about the cougar and clames he'd smoke me. He's got a '03 Cavalier with the 2.2L ecotec, he also has a cat-back exhaust and a short ram air intake, it is also the 5-speed mtx crazy body kit, neons, ricer wing, and four subs. I was wondering what you guys think, should I put money on the race or do I stand a chance.
The only mods I've done to my V6 is a short ram intake and a ASP underdrive pully.
B3NN3TT
02-03-2006, 08:40 AM
Ecotec Cavaliers aren't that fast. 140 horses out of the box, and not exactly light on that new Delta platform. I say with his mods, he's running a high 15. Even race, if you know how to drive.
This thread is dumb. Just get it over with.
mercurycougar
02-03-2006, 11:04 AM
...and not exactly light on that new Delta platform.
Cavaliers are J-BODY :tongue:
Cobalts are Delta. :tongue:
B3NN3TT
02-03-2006, 11:52 AM
Cavaliers are J-BODY :tongue:
Cobalts are Delta. :tongue:
THANK YOU JIM!
Sorry 'bout that. :flushed:
Either way, they don't have an independent rear suspension :tongue:
Nafunu32
02-03-2006, 01:34 PM
I watched a stock 2.2 ecotech race an 04 Mazda 3 hatch with a header, exhaust, and cold air. The mazda 3 beat him by MAYBE a hood. Both were automatic. I've heard reports of Mazda 3s being slow, so I'm not sure how Mazda 3s compare to a Cougar. I was thinking Mazda 3s were a little slower than Cougars.
theandysho
02-03-2006, 01:36 PM
THANK YOU JIM!
Sorry 'bout that. :flushed:
Either way, they don't have an independent rear suspension :tongue:
BURN!!!
InnovaZero
02-03-2006, 02:50 PM
For reference, a auto 03 ecotech runs 17.2 (my friend has one), and another guy who has a chipped Manual 03 ecotech runs about a second faster at 16.2.
My stock auto runs 16.8, so my friend wasn't too far behind, however at top gear, he didn't fair as well. So it all depends, but you should honestly beat him.
XBananaFishX
02-03-2006, 03:10 PM
I think granted you know how to race you'll beat him
BobKaBob
02-03-2006, 04:20 PM
I think granted you know how to race you'll beat him
Thats right, so no double clutchin' or granny shiftin' there. :rofl:
BigBalledOX
02-03-2006, 05:24 PM
Ecotec Cavaliers aren't that fast. 140 horses out of the box, and not exactly light on that new Delta platform. I say with his mods, he's running a high 15. Even race, if you know how to drive.
This thread is dumb. Just get it over with.
Really. This is road tales. Not road palm readers. I wanna hear stories when I wander in here. :tongue:
Tygerr
02-03-2006, 06:30 PM
Just race for fun, but be safe and smart about it.
Whiskey
02-04-2006, 03:04 PM
take it to the track if u can
s.wilson
02-06-2006, 12:32 AM
who races cars in feb?? Maybe it's just because I've lived in MI for too long haha, but you have to be retarded or just plain dumb to wanna race in Feb here. :biggrin:
Tygerr
02-06-2006, 12:58 AM
who races cars in feb?? Maybe it's just because I've lived in MI for too long haha, but you have to be retarded or just plain dumb to wanna race in Feb here. :biggrin:
I hear that, but not everyone lives where winter blows. As long as the roads are dry/unsalted and the skies clear it can't be too bad, wait, that never happens in Ohio either.
BlackBetty
02-06-2006, 04:18 AM
Thanks guys, should be a fun race. I think I'll take 'em. But now that you brought it up.. yeah we haven't gotten any snow this year, I think it snowed two or three times this year and i live in canada eh! I'm not complaining tho it's kind of nice for a change.
Nafunu32
02-08-2006, 04:16 PM
What is this snow you guys speak of? lol... like 4 years ago we got something close to that. It snowed all night, but then the temp got warm enough the next day that it was raining again... at night everything froze and it got ugly quickly. Power was out for like 2 weeks...
Tygerr
02-08-2006, 11:59 PM
What is this snow you guys speak of? lol... like 4 years ago we got something close to that. It snowed all night, but then the temp got warm enough the next day that it was raining again... at night everything froze and it got ugly quickly. Power was out for like 2 weeks...
...and you southerners can NOT drive in the snow. I experienced that once on a trip to the grand canyon, in the spring, and it snowed :disgust: wtf?
no offense. ;)
Josh125XR
02-08-2006, 11:59 PM
You'll win dude, I raced a 2.2 Cavi when they came out & tied him with a slow a$$ zetec so don't sweet it.
Aeglos
02-09-2006, 04:46 AM
...and you southerners can NOT drive in the snow. I experienced that once on a trip to the grand canyon, in the spring, and it snowed :disgust: wtf?
no offense. ;)
Very true. I'm from Colorado, I drove to a ski area every day, up and down the fuggin snowiest pass up there. If you can drive skillfully like a bat out of hell IN THE SNOW, you can rock ANYWHERE! AZ drivers flip the **** out when there's a drop of RAIN, much less snow!
Diabetic Dog
02-09-2006, 05:38 AM
You should win hands down. 2.2 Cav has no pick-up w/ only 140hp. Also, Mazda 3 can be slow if it's not the 2.3S model. 2.3S has 160hp & w/ the 5 speed gearbox it is not that much slower than a 2.5 MTX Cougar. One of my friends had one (I think an '04) and he stayed close until 5th gear when I pulled ahead. Both cars were stock at the time.
BlackBetty
02-09-2006, 11:58 AM
Awesome thanks dude! :biggrin: :biggrin: this should be a fun race, I want to do it the sooner the better but he's not driving his car in our snowless winter we're having (very weird, no snow in Canada) but yeah I should be getting exhaust done next weekend :biggrin: then I'll def. kick some Cavi butt! I'll post the Cavi murder in road tales when I finally race him (probably not until like April-May (hopefully sooner tho). Thats really good news about thoes Mazda 3's too ironicly my buddies ex who is kind weird/crazy :crazy: claims that her 3 (completly stock) could take a cougar lol ..it was hard not to laugh in her face..wate a sec! I DID laugh in her face!! :rofl: :rofl: She thought her car have 190 something odd horsepower:bs: lol. But yeah hopefully I meet her on the strip so I can kick the crap outta her little Focus with Mazda markings hehe. But yeah thanks dudes!!!
Diabetic Dog
02-09-2006, 01:23 PM
Hey, you know you might have went to far there. Both the Focus & the 3 are respectable cars in their own rights.
To start out the Mazda 3 is not a focus @ all. It is a comon misconception that Mazda 2.3L & 3L are duratec engines when the truth is they are not. They do share many of the same components, but not quite the same. And for the record I would much rather own a Mazda 3S than an SVT Focus.
ZDuece4
02-12-2006, 09:13 PM
but yeah I should be getting exhaust done next weekend : then I'll def. kick some Cavi butt! I'll post the Cavi murder in road tales when I finally race him
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Topik
02-12-2006, 11:34 PM
Hytu as much as I love your badass responses, lets leave this thread clean and don't encourage the kid.
You will end up beating him if you can drive. Its a drivers race.
Hytu as much as I love your badass responses, lets leave this thread clean and don't encourage the kid.
You will end up beating him if you can drive. Its a drivers race.
Agreed, The other thread is fun enough.
NorCalCoug
02-13-2006, 02:18 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Stop trolling.
If you don't like these forums, there's plenty of other ones on the Internet for you to go to. Here, let me point you at a website to help.
http://www.google.com/
XplosivePlushToy
02-13-2006, 02:31 AM
:banhim:
InnovaZero
02-13-2006, 11:01 AM
About the only cavy given equal drivers that is going to keep up/match with a MTX v6 Cougar is the z24. The pushrod 2.2 is going to get its ass handed to it, and The ecotech while being decent with a good powerband, will also fall short on its butt. The ecotech however has FAR more tuning potental then all 3, the only problem is you have to have A LOT of money. Some ECU tuning to a stock mtx ecotech however will prob. get it to match a stock mtx cougar, but then we could do the same.
BlackBetty
02-13-2006, 11:44 AM
awesome, thanks guys. I thought it would be a drivers race, but yeah he does have the 2.2L ecotec so I think I have the upper hand.:)
InnovaZero
02-13-2006, 12:09 PM
awesome, thanks guys. I thought it would be a drivers race, but yeah he does have the 2.2L ecotec so I think I have the upper hand.:)
Yeah you should be fine, the ecotec's jump off the line just about as well as z24's though, so be careful. However you should more then have him through midrange and def. high end. They def. cannot match our top end, and we simply have more midrange power.
B3NN3TT
02-13-2006, 12:10 PM
the only problem is you have to have A LOT of money.
No way. Ecotecs are cheap and easy to mod. It's going to be the motor to have; probably knock the B18 off its pedestal, if GM doesn't eff it up...
ilovemycar
02-13-2006, 12:22 PM
No way. Ecotecs are cheap and easy to mod. It's going to be the motor to have; probably knock the B18 off its pedestal, if GM doesn't eff it up...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
GM not f something up? Hell they won't even be around to see the day THAT motor knocks any other motor off of any pedestal...oh n/m...none of us will cause it will be a cold day in hell before an Ecotec is at the top of the pedestal:rofl: