Kenne Bell possibility? [Archive]

Logan Motorsports

02-01-2006, 05:05 PM

So I was thinking to myself, "Kenne Bell makes superchargers for everything". So I decided to check out their website, and they make a supercharger for the Escape 3.0 engine. At the very least you could probably adapt the supercharger to 3.0 conversions that use escape/taurus engines, and possibly even to hybrids with some work. The coolest thing is that you know it will fit on a duratec. The biggest problem that I can see is hood/radiator clearance, but if someone were willing to make some comprimises, I bet it could be made to work. Notice that the Escape goes from a 16.7 quarter mile to a 14.4 second quarter mile with JUST the addition of the supercharger. Imagine what it could do in a lightweight Cougar. Also note that the stock Escape they tested made only 143 wheel horsepower, indicating that Jason's 186 wheel horsepower (He has an Escape engine we tuned) is quite good. Granted the Escape has AWD, but that's not drawing anywhere near 43 horsepower.

http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/30escape-tribute/30escape-tribute.htm

Cossack

02-01-2006, 05:13 PM

hood clearence. great idea logan but hood clearence is a major issue unless some one made a cowl hood.

Logan Motorsports

02-01-2006, 05:14 PM

yea, but wouldn't a custom cowl hood be worth a 40% increase in power?

MaverickFlyer

02-01-2006, 06:08 PM

Just cut a hole in the hood and let it stick out!

jaged

02-01-2006, 07:00 PM

hmmmmm who has a custom cowl hood.........

Rikenbomb

02-01-2006, 07:05 PM

Highly doubtful. Way too much fabrication there. Even if they replaced the UIM what about the LIM? What about the IMRC controls? Let's not even get into pulley location.

LostRacer

02-01-2006, 07:15 PM

Highly doubtful. Way too much fabrication there. Even if they replaced the UIM what about the LIM? What about the IMRC controls? Let's not even get into pulley location.

But aren't you doing that when you drop in an escape 3L to begin with? If not going Hybrid. :shrug:

Rikenbomb

02-01-2006, 07:20 PM

But aren't you doing that when you drop in an escape 3L to begin with? If not going Hybrid. :shrug:

Okay what about 2.5L owners? There's also the Full 3L with oval to split port, SVT cams and the lot guys out there.

jaged

02-01-2006, 07:31 PM

escape has no imrc. A large cowl hood would be easy to make

Nafunu32

02-01-2006, 08:20 PM

Sounds like a good idea... everyone get to work on a custom cowl hood and everyone swap to full 3.0s :)

Instigator

02-01-2006, 08:35 PM

read the threads in the F/I forums.........the upper motor mount above the power steering pump becomes a huge engineering obstacle......a custom motor mount needs to be made, among other unnecessary modifications.

GrandMasterKhan

02-01-2006, 09:57 PM

Rikenbomb

02-01-2006, 10:45 PM

hmm if i had a photo of the mount area on the s/c escape engine we could compare it to the cougar and see what would need to be done.

what about leaving the top mount off. and simply reinforcing the other motor mounts?

Kenny there are only 2 REAL motor mounts.

The one on the passenger side that bolts to the engine
The one bolted to the transaxle

The other two are roll resistors.

Logan Motorsports

02-01-2006, 10:51 PM

The blower won't care what type of intake it is, just as long as it doesn't physically interfere. You can make a tube to fit any kind of intake, that is easy. As for the pulleys, they should be identical between the two. The 3.0L and the 2.5L have the same outside size. Also, assuming it would clear the stock intake, it should work with a 2.5L engine, because again the blower doesn't care. All it would take is custom tuning to make everything work, which is going to be necessary with a blower anyway.

Aeglos

02-02-2006, 03:46 AM

+1 Interest to boosted 3.0L

Nice. It'd be SO worth the custom cowl hood. If I went with an Escape engine, I'd want a SC rather than a TC.

*adds thread to favorites*

Topik

02-02-2006, 04:41 AM

Instigator pretty much nailed it on the head. Power steering motor mount is right in the way. More power to you if you wanna fab a cowl hood which would look ridiculous on our cars, a motor mount(extreme modification), and all the other stuff I don't even wanna get into.

Aeglos

02-02-2006, 04:46 AM

+1 to Marine airwing for access to rolls of carbon fiber for fab-work. [/hush-hush] :biggrin:

NorCalCoug

02-02-2006, 07:48 AM

Highly doubtful. Way too much fabrication there. Even if they replaced the UIM what about the LIM? What about the IMRC controls? Let's not even get into pulley location.

The supercharger does not replace the UIM.

From closeups, I can see the plastic 3L UIM underneath some hardware. There is a pipe going from an intercooler into the TB, which feeds into the UIM.

NorCalCoug

02-02-2006, 07:53 AM

nadthomas

02-02-2006, 08:08 AM

^^^^ What he said

Although, looking at it again the sc sits all the way tot he front over top the front valve cover, and it looks like the pulleys for the SC would clear the motot mount. So, it almost looks like you would swap to the 3L UIM, and cut a whole in your hood and call it a day.

Oh, and 2.5L a may need to do something about the waterpump, it looks like some interferance there too.

Blackcoog

02-02-2006, 08:20 AM

Ok let's put this in perspective. You see that oil cap in that picture above. That oil cap doesn't clear the hood on our cars which is why we don't use the 3L valve covers. The hood wouldn't just be a cowl hood it would be sicking up about a foot from where it is now. It won't work.

foxslayer

02-02-2006, 08:28 AM

blackcoog is right there is tons more room above the engine in the escapes that we could even dream of. Also on the pics of the 3L the new escape engines the powersteering is not in between the heads anymore its down right above the A/C compressor is.

nandalora

02-02-2006, 08:36 AM

foxslayer

02-02-2006, 08:41 AM

Wrong, the P/S pump is still at the top, middle. The one above the A/C compressor is the waterpump.

no the water pump is on the back still just like 2.5 's, thats why you can still use the cams off of the 06 models, and the power steering is on the front side right above the A/C compresser. Sorry man but i see these everyday i work at the plant the builds the escapes...

nandalora

02-02-2006, 08:47 AM

If you LOOK at the pic that someone posted on page 2, there is nothing on the driver's side where the cam-driven water pump WOULD BE! Maybe the picture is not an Escape or the model years are different, but the one in the pic has the P/S pump where ours is, but sticking out more and the water pump just above the A/C comp.

nandalora

02-02-2006, 08:51 AM

As far as the rest, well, here's the escape 3L and then the 2.5L. You guys figure it out for yourself. ;)

http://www.jwfisher.com/sec-ford/FMC-engines/6m30d/99/99-3.0L_Duratec_Engine_01.jpg
Foxslayer: It is a '99 Escape motor, I'm sure it's very different than the '06

The image file he attached said "99-3.0L_Duratec_Engine_01.jpg"
You can see it has IMRC too.

So....I guess we're both right :rolleyes:

-Nick

foxslayer

02-02-2006, 08:53 AM

yea your probably right i thought it was the 3.5 at first glance but your probably right.
also is it me or does that engine look alot prettier than the one thats in our cars.

Logan Motorsports

02-02-2006, 01:03 PM

You could move that intercooler to where the battery is on the Cougar. Yea, it would require a pretty significant bulge in the hood, but what are you willing to do for 50% more power? As for fabricating that upper motor mount, anyone with a bandsaw and a welder could do that as long as he took his time. I'm pretty sure it could be done, and who cares how your hood looks if you're packing 300 whp? Not to mention a much fatter torque curve than even a turbo could offer. Those Kenne Bell superchargers are the best positive displacement blowers on the planet. Also, what about Contours? It might work there.

Nafunu32

02-02-2006, 01:09 PM

About how much of a price tag are you lookin for though?

Topik

02-02-2006, 01:31 PM

About how much of a price tag are you lookin for though?

:rofl: :rofl:

Nafunu32

02-02-2006, 02:01 PM

SO so funny... because with the supercharger comes a lot of other mods... I'm not talkin about just the super charger itself. Yes, it can most likely fit, but will all of the other mods and prices be worth the 50% increase? I think not... so actually, my question is not all the funny, but a true statement. If you wanna put another $8k into a dead platform, go for it. Many people wont.

Cossack

02-02-2006, 02:32 PM

maybe if it was put in the place of the AC compressor because i know their is room down their also it is pretty easy to fab up protection plates for it and also drop the sub frame in the cougar.

StealthyWeasel

02-02-2006, 03:44 PM

bbox I got it your secret is a supercharger!!!!:)

(I wish)

BigBalledOX

02-02-2006, 03:52 PM

bbox I got it your secret is a supercharger!!!!:)

(I wish)

Hehe, if DeWayne had his way it would be, but nope, no F/I for me . . . well, besides nitrous. ;)

Instigator

02-02-2006, 03:52 PM

superchargers are ghey, turbos be better y0 :tongue:

Instigator

02-02-2006, 03:55 PM

How many people here have that kind of money!?!?! Thats the damn comment I was trying to get through. You know, we can extend the frame, convert the car to rear wheel drive and drop a viper motor in it. Does anyone have that kind of money? NO! We can sit here and think up ideas all damn day, but until the price comes down a little, there are only a couple of people that can/will want to do it. I'm not blaming it on someone else, just stating that im not the only one who has mentioned that its a dead platform and a waste of money to put 3x the amount of the blue book value into this car.

i put about 3x the blue book value into my car......do you feel i wasted my money?

BigBalledOX

02-02-2006, 03:58 PM

i put about 3x the blue book value into my car......do you feel i wasted my money?

You should point DanG in here too.

Nafunu32

02-02-2006, 04:02 PM

It would be if you plan on trying to sell it. I understand that there are 3 or 4, maybe a couple more that have the money to be able to do that. I'm glad, because if I had the money I would do it too. The waste of money comment was directed straight to this S/C... To do all of the mods, new hood, and price of the S/C, your lookin at quite a bit of money. I'm just saying, usually a lot of people are needed to get a project to go through, and not everyone on this board has a full 3.0 escape and for the ones that do, prolly dont have that kind of money.

Its a great idea, I just dont think enough people have that kind of change layin around to get it completed.

foxslayer

02-02-2006, 04:39 PM

this wont fit in a cougar or contour the way it fits in the escapes. if you did try to put it in a cougar i bet it would be cheaper to go the route DanG and Instigator went with their turbo setups.. the motor in an escape sets about 6"+ below where the upper radator support is. top of our motors sets above that. and yea you can move the A/C compressor around make this and that but that price tag goes up on something that might not work as efficiently after you mod everything. But we stil have hope if they make one for the fusion that it maybe easy to fab up to our cars.

Topik

02-03-2006, 03:31 AM

For 15k, or slightly cheaper, you can have a 300 HP+ Tractionless cougar thats still a f-ing blast to drive. Worth it in my opinion but thats because I plan on keeping the car until it breaks into pieces or I die.

sonza68

02-03-2006, 11:21 AM

...I plan on keeping the car until it breaks into pieces or I die.
If you do it right, both of those happen at the same time.

Instigator

02-03-2006, 12:34 PM

If you do it right, both of those happen at the same time.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

word.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

PREDATOR

02-03-2006, 02:08 PM

For $3399 I'd just go with the Vortec SuperCharger :shrug:

...also, who the hell needs a hood anyways :crazy:

DemonSVT

02-04-2006, 12:54 AM

For starters welcome to about 4 years ago.

Check the CEG site and even here for plenty of information and ideas about a valley mounted supercharger. A very fun fabrication project to try but old news.

There is No such thing as a 99 Escape. Also all Escape engines are oval port which that one is not. That is the split port 3L engine. Notice the obvious IMRC sticking right in our face and the water pump others have mentioned already.

AEMCougar

02-08-2006, 11:02 PM

So what the hell 3.0 is that?

nandalora

02-08-2006, 11:40 PM

It's the split port 3.0L from the Taurus/Sable from '99. If you go to the site he got the pics (http://www.jwfisher.com/sec%2Dford/FMC%2Dengines/) from, it's very informative!

99Elimin8r

02-09-2006, 01:17 AM

alright, so i don't know a whole lot about this issue since i have neither a 3l or f/i, but i have a good mechanical ability and a hell of an imagination. A valley mounted s/c is possible but with a ton of mods as stated, the motor mount issue could be solved relatively easy if you look at the taurus. A simple weld and reinforcement job is required but it is fesable, since the mount on a taurus is near the oilpan. As far as using the kenny bell supercharger, custom fabbing it in place of the a/c compressor is absolutely possible but with alot of work and imagination. What the major issue is here is people knocking an idea before thinking about the possibility that it may work. Granted Ford screwed us engineering wise, but many people have overcome that issue, look at the turbo guys on here. If you don't have the money, time or combination of both don't post on the subject, no one cares that you think it may or may not work. If you haven't tried it, don't comment. Someone out there will try it and may or may not succeed, at least they are trying it and not running their mouth about a subject they know little or nothing about.