View Full Version : Question about taking off the line.
AndyMan
01-30-2006, 10:52 AM
Greetings people,
I am still getting use to a MTX. Only had it for 3 months now... I can finally say i got the hang of it....
anywho, If you are at a drag strip, and u wanted to get the perfect take off. What would you recommend? I have heard people say to leave in the E-brake and hold it at a high RMP and then pop the clutch with the E-brake,.. i have heard just hold the RMP around 5k and then pop the clutch to take off. Then someone people would say just take off as if you were at a red light and floor it.
Another question is, doing all this reving and popping... what damage are you doing to your engine and tranny???
thanks
-Andy
B3NN3TT
01-30-2006, 11:54 AM
PERSONALLY, I use NO brake. That's just adding more confusing crap. Leave the brake out of it..
I rev to about 3000 RPMs or so, and release the clutch quickly but CAREFULLY. If you gank it, you'll get wheel hop, which will decimate ALL, including your axles, CV joints, ball joints, tie rods, and motor mounts.
So as the clutch comes out, the pedal gets floored, and hopefully your tires spin a little. If they grab, you bog. If they KINDA grab, you get the wheel hop. If they spin a little, you get the best results.
BigBalledOX
01-30-2006, 12:06 PM
Pretty much what Mr. Bennett said.
5k? Ye gods, your poor transmission . . . you definitely don't need to launch it that high. What idiot told you to use your e-brake? If you have the clutch in the car isn't going anywhere . . . and when you let the clutch out, to launch, you definitely don't want to car's brakes being used in any way, shape or form.
I haven't been to the strip since late August, so I don't know how much my refined technique has been, but rev it up to 3K and basically dump clutch. Once you get used to that, you can work on slipping the clutch some, this will help cut down on wheel hop and get you better launches.
AndyMan
01-30-2006, 12:32 PM
The e-brake manuever i guess from what a friend said is to have it in,.. release the cluth alittle and basicly having the force already down to the wheels sowhen the light turns green, you realse the e-brake and fly... but maybe he was probly referring to a RWD techinque or so...
but the way u guys explained it sounds pretty good to me. Nothing to complicated, which is all right to me.
-Andy
rb26deet32
03-10-2006, 06:39 PM
The e-brake manuever i guess from what a friend said is to have it in,.. release the cluth alittle and basicly having the force already down to the wheels sowhen the light turns green, you realse the e-brake and fly... but maybe he was probly referring to a RWD techinque or so...
but the way u guys explained it sounds pretty good to me. Nothing to complicated, which is all right to me.
-Andy
Hes probably talking about a rwd auto car with a stall. The only time a ff car would ever have the hand break down is when your running 8 seconds 1/4's. Because then its all in the e brake and those things spin through all the gears anyway so they just start it at the line. But the thing is I have only seen that with either turbo cars or civics which have no torque. Just 3k slip it and then floor it and drive it like you stole it.
JpFiZzAL
03-13-2006, 11:15 AM
probaley telling you to do tht so u burn up ur clutch and he can laugh at u. dotn do tht and dont drop it from 5 grand i should know trannies dont like tht
azbobbybooshay10
03-20-2006, 12:25 AM
I personally had to slip it from about 4000 or so last night at the strip, mainly because my new BFG's are quite sticky. I tried 3k, which is where I launched on my old tires and got my good runs, and the tires grabbed and it just bogged down like hell. It all depends on your tires. Start lower rpm's, then work your way up as needed.
Also, for R/T, as soon as the last yellow light comes on, GO! By the time you react and the car moves, you won't redlight, and will have a good R/T to boot!
My R/T's from last night:
1.304 (the starter lit the tree Pro-style the moment I went into the second staging beam, I totally wasn't ready)
.323
.154
.193
.076
.095
All it takes it practice. Don't do any of these BS "brake" tricks or anything, just set at a certain RPM, and let the clutch out. Fine tune it as needed.
bdiddy
03-20-2006, 10:57 AM
my best R/T owns about 99.9% of all people. .001 :)
AndyMan
03-26-2006, 11:31 AM
i still haven't been to the track yet but i plan to do so soon...
I have seen other people at the track and i am not sure if this concerns me, but i notice as soon as they take off, wheels are spinning ( as expected) but it seems like they are forced to shift early due to the fact that there engine is already at the redline and by the time they are in 2nd, u can hear that their engine is at alot lower RPM then what its apose to be,.. ususally ending in a bad time, would a slower lanch help? I just don't want to burn my tires :(
B3NN3TT
03-26-2006, 02:58 PM
Dude we don't have that much horsepower.
bdiddy
03-26-2006, 06:22 PM
i still haven't been to the track yet but i plan to do so soon...
I have seen other people at the track and i am not sure if this concerns me, but i notice as soon as they take off, wheels are spinning ( as expected) but it seems like they are forced to shift early due to the fact that there engine is already at the redline and by the time they are in 2nd, u can hear that their engine is at alot lower RPM then what its apose to be,.. ususally ending in a bad time, would a slower lanch help? I just don't want to burn my tires :(
well for less experienced drivers I would normally just say find the right rpm to rev to and just drop the clutch, but usually what is best is to feather the clutch as you launch, so that way you arent just dumping it and spinnin outl
rb26deet32
06-17-2006, 07:21 PM
Just do what I do in my mustang. Hold it at 6,250 and side step the clutch. Perfect 1.5 second 60' times every time :biggrin:
Sabio
06-17-2006, 09:37 PM
Just do what I do in my mustang. Hold it at 6,250 and side step the clutch. Perfect 1.5 second 60' times every time :biggrin:
yeah, thats nice :rolleyes:
CougarGuy1802
08-30-2006, 03:36 PM
5500 to 6000 for this cougar, KDWs, torsen, and spec unite:):):)
B3NN3TT
08-30-2006, 04:15 PM
5500 to 6000 for this cougar, KDWs, torsen, and spec unite:):):)
What kind of aftermarket engine management do you have that lets you get around the rev limiter?
GrandMasterKhan
08-31-2006, 07:48 PM
He has a 5speed. Which has no such limiter. (assuming your talking about limiter for the ATX which prevents revving above 4k when stopped)
B3NN3TT
08-31-2006, 09:31 PM
He has a 5speed. Which has no such limiter. (assuming your talking about limiter for the ATX which prevents revving above 4k when stopped)
MTX has a standing rev imiter as well, though...
GrandMasterKhan
08-31-2006, 11:27 PM
not that i am aware of.
I can take my MTX to redline if i want. Always have been able too.
Mine is an early 99
Anyways I launched my cougar @ 4500-5000 rpms.
mond12345
09-01-2006, 11:40 AM
Yeah same here, no rev limiter standing. If you wanted you could hit fuel cut off. Also an early 99 :)!
B3NN3TT
09-01-2006, 12:05 PM
Well, I'm gonna have to go outside and test the rev limiter on mine then, and see what happens. I could've sworn there was a 4000 limit unless you were moving...
AndyMan
09-01-2006, 12:24 PM
gosh... i asked that question a long time ago... and i still haven't been to the track... :(
who knows maybe this weekend :thumbsup:
He has a 5speed. Which has no such limiter. (assuming your talking about limiter for the ATX which prevents revving above 4k when stopped)
My ATX only let's me brake torque til 2k. In park it'll go to 4k though.
dyed4ordblue
09-02-2006, 09:35 AM
My ATX only let's me brake torque til 2k. In park it'll go to 4k though.
WTF are you talking about? Standing on the brake and revving it?!?! :gtfo: Great way to burn up the torque converter.
CougarGuy1802
09-03-2006, 07:38 PM
i have an apexi that i have tuned myself with the 02 hooked to the secondary maf input. but i have always been able to take it to any rpm whenever, ofcourse till 7 anyways. it has even seen 8 twice unfortunately second instead of fourth at 80.
WTF are you talking about? Standing on the brake and revving it?!?! :gtfo: Great way to burn up the torque converter.
I have done it like 3 times in the past 4 years for no reason besides the track. :) It's nothing regular or normal. I only do it at the track, I don't need to launch off stop lights.
nadthomas
09-05-2006, 10:24 PM
WTF are you talking about? Standing on the brake and revving it?!?! :gtfo: Great way to burn up the torque converter.
Ummmm.....if you have an ATX that would be exactly how you would want to launch it at the track, and the track only! Well, you wouldn't stand on the brakes, you would hold them down just enough to keep the car from rolling.
Ummmm.....if you have an ATX that would be exactly how you would want to launch it at the track, and the track only! Well, you wouldn't stand on the brakes, you would hold them down just enough to keep the car from rolling.
Exactly. If you take an ATX off by just holding the brake at the line then smashing the gas your reaction time is seriously going to be like 2.4 or something.