Zex Dry Kit for Return Style...

[Nafunu32]

Zex has a complete dry kit for $611. The part number is 82011. I was wondering if this come with a purge kit as well? I know the heater and opener come seperate, but was just curious.

[BigBalledOX]

No, but you can get the purge kits on eBay for $105 bucks shipped.

[BigBalledOX]

As a matter of fact, you can probably get your ZEX kit for about $500ish on eBay, don't buy from ZEX.

[GrandMasterKhan]

what will be needed to run a 75 shot zex dry kit on a return fuel system cougar?

[BigBalledOX]

Well, you get everything you "need" in the ZEX dry kit. However, I would highly recommend investing in a purge kit ($105ish) and because I'm lazy, a remote bottle opener ($185). You will DEFINITELY want to invest in a flip-chip as you'll need to run copper spark plugs that are a step or two colder than stock and retard the timing so you don't make engine go boom. Dyno tuning is a must as far as I'm concerned, and a flip-chip will give you the ability to run both a "street" program with advanced timing and such to take full advantage of your modifications and a "nitrous" tune to safely run your nitrous. An SCT four-bank chip will do the trick, and Logan Motorsports has put together an nifty little nine position dial that will allow you to select a stock tune and up to four additional engine programs. As an added bonus, the Logan dial will allow you to completely disable the computer by selecting an alternate position, giving you a nifty little anti-theft device.

Nemesis recommends wideband data-logging and a wideband A/F gauge so you can monitor your A/F in real time. Having spoken with Logan, I'm going to forego this in favor of their dyno tuning.

[Nafunu32]

I have a 3.0l coming to me with 24lb injectors. ADC is making me a chip and I was wondering if I could just get this chip reflashed, and is it a "flip-chip" device?

[BigBalledOX]

Yes. In order to select the different programs you will need a device such as the nine-position dial LMS cooked up.

[Nafunu32]

So what exactly would I need to do? Hook my nitrous up, call ADC, tell them I got nitrous, let them reflash my chip, get this nine-position dial, and then get a dyno?

[jrak123]

New Level Motor Sports (http://store.newlevelmotorsports.com/b.html)

[Nafunu32]

Is the above what I need to do?

[jrak123]

no it is a link for a good price on zex kits

[BigBalledOX]

Damn, you ain't kiddin jrak. Also, I forgot about the bottle warmer, but you definitely want one of those as well.

[jrak123]

Damn, you ain't kiddin jrak. Also, I forgot about the bottle warmer, but you definitely want one of those as well.
I am not just bald and beautiful, but I am also resourceful

[Nafunu32]

no it is a link for a good price on zex kits

Ha, i was asking about my question above the link. Running 24lb injectors with ADC chip... what do I need to do?

[BigBalledOX]

Oh, yeah, sorry, I was cashed last night. The 24# injectors will be what you need, I'm actually swapping up to 24#ers from my 19's to accomodate nitrous.

[Nafunu32]

Ok, so what about the ADC chip? If they flash it to accomodate the nitrious, will it still run fine without the nitrous being engaged? Do ADC chips have different settings you can use?

[BigBalledOX]

Ok. ADC = Arizona Dyno Chip. They are a company. ADC SELLS SCT Superchips. The SCT Superchip is the actual chip. ADC is just a reseller that will put their tune file on it for you.

[Nafunu32]

Gotcha, didn't realize that. Sorry that most threads are basically repeating themselves. I ask a question about something and eventually they all run together. There is a dyno about 45 minutes from where I live but they cannot reflash the SCT chip... do I basically have to search on SCT's site for a dyno (one within 250 miles) and they can reflash?

[BigBalledOX]

Hehe, its all cool man, I just feel like I'm chasing you around the place today. ;) Yeah, you have to find a shop that deals with SCT Superchips. The website is your best resource for it.

[Nafunu32]

There are about 5 results from within 250 miles but only 1 days the in house dyno, as well as modify chips or whatever. There is a dyno about 45 miles from my house so i'm going there once i get my car running and see how its doing and contact ADC to see what they say. Maybe I can have it running well enough to make it to Cougar Fest and let Logan do it.

[BigBalledOX]

The ADC tune will have your car running. Come to Fest, hook up with Keith and DeWayne, and your car will be running SWEET!

[Nafunu32]

Going to be there. About how much do people normally spend up there and about how long do people stay? I don't make a lot of money so I was wondering about how long I needed to save up. lol... looking to stay under the $700 mark, including room, gas, food, and dyno.

[BigBalledOX]

I would say $500-$600 should cover you for the weekend . . . find someone to room with, that'll knock your costs way down.

Dyno ain't gonna be cheap if you're getting tuning though man.

[Nafunu32]

how much is it to dyno and tune it? $150 for an hour? Shouldnt that be enough

[BigBalledOX]

It took Logan two hours to un**** my car, and that was without nitrous.

[Nafunu32]

Sorry to bring this back up, but I have a couple of questions about the installation of the kit and the bottle opener/warmer. I'm from East Texas so its not cold...ever... like it is up north. So that should get rid of the bottle warmer. Now, I was wondering if there was a place in the back seat where I could just reach and turn the bottle open. I haven't checked the laws around here, but aren't most laws just if the nitrous is disengaged it can be street legal? I wouldn't have to worry about disengaging it because if I were to be spraying, I would most likely be going way over the speed limit equaling jail time, who cares if the nitrous is engaged or not. Why don't many put them in the back seat area? Laws? Space? something else? Any suggestions on any of the above? Please no flames.

[BigBalledOX]

Hmm, maybe you should CHECK YOUR LOCAL LAWS FIRST. You don't wanna get flamed? Then don't ask questions that beg for it.

Oh, and you *WILL* need a bottle warmer regardless of where you're from. Do you even bother to try and research things before you just ask questions to which the answers are readily available?

Here, do this, ask Nemesis if he uses a bottle warmer, he's from Georgia, so he can tell you if you need one or not. :rolleyes:

[Nafunu32]

Thats what I'm talkin about. Nothing you said was helpful to me. It's warmer here than in Georgia. So what the hell does that matter? Everyone down here that uses spray does not have a bottle warmer. But, let me guess, they are dumbasses that don't know a thing, and you are king? I did check my laws and they say cars caught USING nitrous is a class C misdemeanor. Does this mean that if you are just caught with the bottle then you are screwed, or do you have to be caught actually using it? Thats what I was talking about... why do you even bother replying to my posts...

[Nemesis]

Thats what I'm talkin about. Nothing you said was helpful to me. It's warmer here than in Georgia. So what the hell does that matter? Everyone down here that uses spray does not have a bottle warmer. But, let me guess, they are dumbasses that don't know a thing, and you are king? I did check my laws and they say cars caught USING nitrous is a class C misdemeanor. Does this mean that if you are just caught with the bottle then you are screwed, or do you have to be caught actually using it? Thats what I was talking about... why do you even bother replying to my posts...


Hey Napolean, listen up. Unless your in car temperature is around 100+ degrees all year your bottle pressure is not near where its supposed to be. I still use a heater in the summer time as well, since the bottle is still slightly to the touch and not hot especially in the evenings when my boys roll out to meet Brian Spillner. Everyone down there doesnt use a bottle warmer? Well Im sure you did a survey right? Or is this just your buddy that tells you his turbo doesnt spool till third gear. But yeah if you want to spray with no form of heating, then by all means go ahead and do it, but dont complain to us when nothing happens, and you think your noooosssss system doesnt work. Youll never reach an optimal pressure in normal 80 degree weather. If youve got a question about nitrous laws, look for the Houston racing forums. I know there is one because one of their guys came on the Atlanta forums posting a video. Those guys im sure would love you asking questions there. As for Georgia, its illegal if the actual line is on the bottle ready for use.

[Nafunu32]

I've seen 4 or 5 cars without bottle warmers... they seem to be working fine. Going by what I see...

[Nemesis]

I've seen 4 or 5 cars without bottle warmers... they seem to be working fine. Going by what I see...


Oh, was the supposed to put me in my place? You've seen 4 or 5 cars without bottle warmers. What do they use their setup for? Are these cars ran on the track? If so, bottle warmers arent the only option to heat your bottle. Most typical heaters are thermostat controlled and not PSI controlled (which are more expensive), so people find other ways to heat their bottle safely. So you say they seem to be working fine? Trust me Napolean, when it comes to nitrous seeing isnt always believing something. Most people dont know what is happening when you spray. You could be running a rich spike or a lean spike, and unless you have a wideband or you stop right after spray and remove your plugs for inspection you wont have any idea what is happening. I could go on for pages on why "going by what you see" is a really simple minded and dangerous approach to modding, ESPECIALLY when it comes to N2O. But by all means install nitrous on your car. Hopefully youll blow your motor and buy a Honda :)

[ilovemycar]

Oh, was the supposed to put me in my place? You've seen 4 or 5 cars without bottle warmers. What do they use their setup for? Are these cars ran on the track? If so, bottle warmers arent the only option to heat your bottle. Most typical heaters are thermostat controlled and not PSI controlled (which are more expensive), so people find other ways to heat their bottle safely. So you say they seem to be working fine? Trust me Napolean, when it comes to nitrous seeing isnt always believing something. Most people dont know what is happening when you spray. You could be running a rich spike or a lean spike, and unless you have a wideband or you stop right after spray and remove your plugs for inspection you wont have any idea what is happening. I could go on for pages on why "going by what you see" is a really simple minded and dangerous approach to modding, ESPECIALLY when it comes to N2O. But by all means install nitrous on your car. Hopefully youll blow your motor and buy a Honda :)

If you do happen to buy a Honda...get a 99-00 Si...and i guarantee $500 it will leave Hardeeville faster than Jorje's car :evil:

Or is you wanna drop 6-7g's on it...it will beat any cougar on this board :rofl:

BTW jorje...i am gonna bring you your wheels on the 17th...or 18th whenever i see you

[Nemesis]

BTW jorje...i am gonna bring you your wheels on the 17th...or 18th whenever i see you


Sweet dude.


:bs:


lol

[ilovemycar]

Sweet dude.


:bs:


lol

ok ok...i MIGHT bring them...that depends on where my blck flashlight is that you have had for almost 8 months :confused:

[Nemesis]

ok ok...i MIGHT bring them...that depends on where my blck flashlight is that you have had for almost 8 months :confused:

Oh damn, I still have that!? :rofl:

[Nafunu32]

Ha, I'm not sure how well their spray is working. The guy I road with, I dont think he had any guages installed at all. His bottle was behind his passenger seat though....

[Nemesis]

Ha, I'm not sure how well their spray is working. The guy I road with, I dont think he had any guages installed at all. His bottle was behind his passenger seat though....



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[Nafunu32]

Ha, the purpose of that post was to ask if it was behind the seat, would a bottle warmer still be needed? Guess I could just go all out get get a bottle opener. That would be cool. ;) A lot of cars around here don't have a lot done to them. Most cars with mods are the Civics with exhaust, intake, and about a 50 shot. There is a modded Srt-4, but no one can touch him. My goal is to try to hang close to a Manual GT with only exhaust. lmao, not trying to win, just stay within like 1 or 2 car lengths.

[tr0nic]

Go to the group buy section and check out the turbo kits that are gauging interest... then you'll be able to definitely hang if not beat that gt.

[ilovemycar]

Ha, the purpose of that post was to ask if it was behind the seat, would a bottle warmer still be needed? Guess I could just go all out get get a bottle opener. That would be cool. ;) A lot of cars around here don't have a lot done to them. Most cars with mods are the Civics with exhaust, intake, and about a 50 shot. There is a modded Srt-4, but no one can touch him. My goal is to try to hang close to a Manual GT with only exhaust. lmao, not trying to win, just stay within like 1 or 2 car lengths.

with the 75 shot and no tuning( :rolleyes: ) me and a friend of mine are side by side the whole way. He has an '02 Gt 5 speed with an intake, exhaust, and Diablo chip.

This was before my SVT UIM/LIM/TB...i want a rematch! lol

[Nafunu32]

I love hearing that... is that with a 2.5l or 3.0?

[ilovemycar]

I love hearing that... is that with a 2.5l or 3.0?

When i raced him i had:

2.5 with I/H/E, Torsen, Spec III, and a 75 shot-wet. That's it.

[Nafunu32]

Awesome, wonder if my 3.0l with I/H/E and a 75 dry shot will break the 14s? Nem runs a 14.4 with a 2.5l and 75 shot doesnt he?

[MOMO]

Ha, the purpose of that post was to ask if it was behind the seat, would a bottle warmer still be needed?

dude, did you read anything nemesis posted? why would having a bottle in the back seat required you to NOT have a warmer? Nemesis clearly stated that you NEED a bottle opener to maintain optimal pressure. You think having a bottle in the back seat suddenly increase pressure in your bottle?

Im sorry to be ragging on you man but geesus, read and digest, instead of read and brain fart.

[Nafunu32]

Why does a mechanical bottle opener increase pressure? If I'm not mistaken the whole point of a bottle opener is so that you dont have to do it manually, which eliminates the process if you have it within arms reach.

[Nafunu32]

Another thing, why come into a week old post and try to bring up some ****? Get a life, and find something else to do.

[99cougarred]

Hey reading this thread..i wanted to ask and yes ive searched and read the nitrous faq.Reading up on the injectors that come stock..with my 2.5L atx 99...17lbs are good to about 210 hp.Well ive added intake and exhaust so far and in the process of reading up on installing the 75 shot nitrous dry shot as in reading most faqs it was the safer of the two but seem to be able to get more power out of wet shot.My motor is solid and has 58,000 miles on it...and nitrous seems like the most bang for the buck.Im doing some extra work next month so headers will be added but at 700 bucks..theyll have to wait a month.Anyway my question is why wouldnt i need to add 19lb injectors to compensate for the added hp?I know that i need to get a chip and have it dynoed to tune the air/fuel but do i need the bigger injectors?

[MOMO]

Another thing, why come into a week old post and try to bring up some ****? Get a life, and find something else to do.

im not bringing up any crap. i am actually reading this thread to get some info and all you do is post some crap that anybody can get the info by doing a little bit of search.

well, i will tell you this Nan, during my extensive search, the best position that the n20 bottle can be in is actually upside down. when you get your naws setup, try it.

[Nafunu32]

You're an idiot Momo... please shoot yourself in the head. How does putting the bottle in the inside of the car change anything opposed to it being put in the trunk? I feel that it doesn't. If it does, please let me know.

Anyway, 99coug, I am putting a full 3.0l from an escape in my car. I will be using 24lb injectors with a SCT chip.

[MOMO]

lol... well, Nafanu, i want you to read what you wrote and answer me after that.

here is what you wrote...

"Originally Posted by Nafunu32
Ha, the purpose of that post was to ask if it was behind the seat, would a bottle warmer still be needed?"

...behind the seat, in the trunk, you need a bottle warmer.
anyway, i dont want to argue with you.
have fun with your 3 liter.

[Nafunu32]

I know that I need a bottle warmer... I think you made a typo and we are arguing over nothing. I'm talking about the OPENER. If I put it behind the seat then I dont need to mechanical bottle opener.... I will need the warmer either way... thats settled.

[LostRacer]

So you want a remote opener then..

[Nafunu32]

Lol what? If the bottle is in reach, why do I need a remote opener?

[LostRacer]

n/m..I misread your post.