Greetings to NECO [Archive]

AndyMan

01-23-2006, 02:07 AM

Whats up,
I got my cougar in Nov of 05, and since i had it, i've done as much mods as i can with the time and money possible.
I have a question, I have a 01 MTX cougar, with 78,000miles. I want to know how much HP and torque i am puting at the flywheel and down to the wheels. I have the following mods:
-Injen short ram intake
-SVT UIM/ throttle body
-Urthodox crank pulley
- Weapon R headers with Y pipe
-2.25 inch cat back with stock catalitic converter
- R1 concepts stage one clutch,
-Fodanza lighten flywheel

... Thats what i got, the first mod i got was the clutch and flywheel because i had transmisstion problems so i thought since the transmission was going to be out i may as well upgrade the clutch and flywheel.... cost me a pretty penny too.... :(
But if anyone here can tell me how much they think or estimate of hp i am pushing that would be helpful.. i will get it dynoed someday, just don't want to be shocked that badly... :(
once again... greetings here all at NECO forums
-Andy

Moraki

01-23-2006, 04:29 AM

Welcome aboard :wave:

Well stock cougars are 175 at the crank and around 130~140 at the wheels if memory serves me. Headers might buy you 3-4 more hp, UIM maybe 1-2. But youd be lucky to pull 150 at the wheels... most likely under that. And some cougars test high or low for apparently no reason.... but not as many of the 2.5s get dynos as the 3L swaped cougars do. The hp from any stock cougar isnt that impressive its just not the strong suit of the cougar.

eikon

01-23-2006, 08:57 AM

Welcome on board.

What part of the country are located?

MaverickFlyer

01-23-2006, 10:51 AM

Welcome!

wadespencer99

01-23-2006, 10:54 AM

Welcome to NECO.

If it's a later EH UIM I believe knowledgeable people on here have estimated at a 3-5 hp gain. The headers should be more than 3-4 I would think.

LostRacer

01-23-2006, 12:02 PM

Hey welcome to NECO Andy. Looks like you've got a good amount done. :)

B3NN3TT

01-23-2006, 12:09 PM

Moraki - stock flywheel HP is 170.

Andy - a friend of mine dynoed 145 or so with just intake and exhaust. I'd guess (depending on the dyno, the temperature, and the mood of your car) you could put down anywhere from 140 to 170 to the wheels. But there's no substitute for hard data. Let us know what the machine says!

AndyMan

01-23-2006, 01:14 PM

theandysho

01-23-2006, 03:23 PM

IMPOSTOR!!!!

LOL, welcome.:biggrin:

PREDATOR

01-23-2006, 04:37 PM

I would imagine the lightened flywheel would deal mostly with torque since there is a lesser amount of rotational mass the engine has spin to get the power to the pavement.

Just get it dynoed ;) and welcome to the boards :wave:

Pyro81

01-23-2006, 05:22 PM

Thanks...
I live in NC, mostly humid here. Maybe u guys can help me understand something better. I thought if i had a lighter flywheel that i can put more HP to the wheels then the stock flywheel... isn't it done by a percentage? .. Like a stock fly loses 10% HP to the wheels where as lighten flywheel loses like 4%... Any truth to this?
-THanks

I'm not entirely sure, but i think a lightened flywheel doesn't increase or decrease your hp or torque. I think it just simply means that it allows your engine to rev faster by creating less rotational mass and get the power to the ground better.

Moraki

01-23-2006, 05:26 PM

Lightened fly wheel does help HP ... but its hard to calculate some times. Most of the numbers ive seen say 1 pound less on any of the drive train (flywheel, axels, wheels, rotors etc) is worth 4 pounds of weight reduction to the body of the car.

Richk

01-23-2006, 06:49 PM

Hello and welcombe fron the UK:) :) :) ;)

Djperico

01-23-2006, 07:07 PM

:wave: Welcome to Neco. What part of Nc are you from?

AndyMan

01-23-2006, 09:43 PM

I am from Fayetteville Djerico.
So basicly, the flywheel really doesn't make THAT MUCH of difference. I since i had it put in, i can't keep up with the shifting points ( under heavy acceleration ). I feel like the engine is reving during shifting... then again, that was the first car i learned how to drive a manual anyway.. i have lots of learning to do.. lol
later peps,
-ANdy

Moraki

01-23-2006, 10:00 PM

happsmack

01-24-2006, 04:41 AM

Weclome! :gitrdone:

MetallicaCougs

01-24-2006, 11:34 AM

welcome to the boards

There is a lot of good advice and help here for you

MaverickFlyer

01-24-2006, 03:14 PM

It does help, but lightened fly wheels is more for racing applications where all the other weight has be eliminated and your looking for every edge you can get.

Anyway welcome aboard.... just keep reading, youll learn pleanty ;)

Lightened flywheels have nothing to do with weight reduction. I guess a little but not really. Lightened flywheels let the engine rev up very quickly and allows the engine to work easier due to the reduced weight spinning around on the back of the crank. This is fine as long as you are at full throttle and wide open throttle all the time like in a Road Race or Drag Race only car. As soon as you let off the gas the engine RPM drops instantly and the car slows down. In a road car this causes surging and bucking at cruise speeds and poor drive ability and clutch engagement. So if you drive you car daily I wouldn't recommend it.

Moraki

01-24-2006, 08:50 PM

Ya i know i was just talking in relative terms. There was a show on the speed channel comparing car weight reduction to drive train weight reduction. Yes the whole point is to allow parts to spin faster and lower their inertia.

jerock03

01-24-2006, 11:29 PM

welcome to craziness !!

Aeglos

01-24-2006, 11:45 PM

Welcome to the freak show! More of the same zaniness to follow, so stay tuned!

BigBalledOX

01-31-2006, 08:19 PM

Lightened flywheels have nothing to do with weight reduction. I guess a little but not really. Lightened flywheels let the engine rev up very quickly and allows the engine to work easier due to the reduced weight spinning around on the back of the crank. This is fine as long as you are at full throttle and wide open throttle all the time like in a Road Race or Drag Race only car. As soon as you let off the gas the engine RPM drops instantly and the car slows down. In a road car this causes surging and bucking at cruise speeds and poor drive ability and clutch engagement. So if you drive you car daily I wouldn't recommend it.

That is absolutely false, in regards to the "surging and bucking". Releasing the gas pedal does cause the revs to fall off rather quickly compared to a car with a standard flywheel. However, I have absolutely zero issues with my car's driveability, and it literally is a daily driver.