1/4 Mile Times... [Archive]

Nafunu32

01-22-2006, 02:15 PM

I am dropping a 3.0 into my car, most likely a full swap with SVT cams. I was wondering if you guys, with any type of hybrid, could post your build and 1/4 mile time.

If there is a thread like this that is current you can just put a link to it in here.

A guy was mouthin me last night sayin his Mazda 3 could outrun my cougar no matter what I put in it. Before making myself look like a fool, I decided to check in with you guys. I have a 99 ATX btw. Thanks guys.

Logan Motorsports

01-22-2006, 02:38 PM

eh, don't listen to the man and his Mazda 3. Even a mildy upgraded 2.5 cougar should be able to hang.

Nemesis

01-22-2006, 02:52 PM

Maybe check the Drag section? :shrug:

BigBalledOX

01-22-2006, 02:54 PM

You'd be better off looking in drag racing. You can see my crapass 15.4 @96 MPH in there. Don't believe the hype, I had tuning issues which my new best pals for life at Logan Motorsports have been able to correct. I should run a full second faster next time I hit the strip.

DeWayne . . . don't underestimate the ability of the CD-4E to suck the life out of the Cougar.

Logan Motorsports

01-22-2006, 03:17 PM

well, according to road and track, the mazda 3s ran 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and the quarter in 16.3. http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=1376&page_number=1 check it out

B3NN3TT

01-22-2006, 04:34 PM

A guy was mouthin me last night sayin his Mazda 3 could outrun my cougar no matter what I put in it.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Man, what a choad. I mean, the 3 is nice, but that's a stupid, stupid thing to say no matter WHAT you drive. ESPECIALLY an econo-sport NA 4-banger.

Blackcoog

01-22-2006, 04:48 PM

I ran a 14.34 sec @96.4 mph before upgrade to ported oval port heads, new intake and a few cooling upgrades. It's posted in the drag section.

bensenvill

01-22-2006, 07:26 PM

well, according to road and track, the mazda 3s ran 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and the quarter in 16.3. http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=1376&page_number=1 check it out

but it doesnt specify what transmission they are using for those numbers... but reguardless 16.3 is faster than I can manage, my atx with very minor work managed a 16.44.

StealthyWeasel

01-22-2006, 07:53 PM

DanG

01-22-2006, 08:44 PM

Considering Demon ran 13.4 in a car that's an N/A 3L w/SVT cams, and 200lbs heavier than a Cougar...

A$$hat... (the Mazda 3 dude)

Nafunu32

01-22-2006, 09:01 PM

Thanks guys. He said he could run a 16 flat. He has a header, exhaust, and there was one other thing I cannot remember. Sounds fast. lol

B3NN3TT

01-22-2006, 09:15 PM

Thanks guys. He said he could run a 16 flat. He has a header, exhaust, and there was one other thing I cannot remember. Sounds fast. lol
I pulled a 15.3 @ 89 in my 2.5 with minor bolt-ons, on a 90-degree day. And that was my last run of about 10, so the car was hot and tired...

J-Man

01-22-2006, 09:22 PM

15.4 @ 96? Do you mean 14.4? Thats a high trap for that time. I don't think your car could ever be that slow even with a bad tune.

like ryan said above, he had tuning issues. that and he can't drive. :tongue:

StealthyWeasel

01-22-2006, 09:24 PM

haha i know.. but blackcoog trapped at almost the same speed a second faster.. but I guess its possible with a really bad 60' maybe

Logan Motorsports

01-22-2006, 10:16 PM

I'm curious as to what he'll run now with his better tune and such. He doesn't even seem to want to wait, he's already buying more performance stuff, the kid is crazy!

GrandMasterKhan

01-22-2006, 10:30 PM

Since you have an atx, it will likely be a close battle. With a 3.0 and you will be blowing that lil 3's doors off. lol do the 3.0 and then race him for money LOLOLOL.

I have driven a Mazda 3 atx and it was a fun lil car. not a drag machine by anymeans though lol

I believe Russel had a 3L ATX and he ran a 15 flat. (he has since done a 5spd swap and probably now running mid to low 14s)

BigBalledOX

01-22-2006, 10:37 PM

I'm curious as to what he'll run now with his better tune and such. He doesn't even seem to want to wait, he's already buying more performance stuff, the kid is crazy!

Shhh . . . thats supposed to be our little secret DeWayne.

Stealthy . . . there were a combination of factors which contributed to that crap-ass run. I think the tune is was a very big issue, when the car finally was properly tuned we found it was so rich it was almost choking itself out when the secondaries opened up. Not good. I thought I had a bad IMRC, so now I've got a pretty new one I'm waiting to ship out as soon as someone buys it.

Other factors . . . I was on tires that were at the end of their serviceable life and were also "all season" tires. I had only had the car for about six weeks and was just becoming comfortable with the MTX (I learned on the 3L) for daily driving, much less performance driving. And finally, I had no clue how to properly launch the vehicle.

The next time I get to the strip, ALL of those issues should be fixed and then some. Look for MUCH better times in the near future. :biggrin:

StealthyWeasel

01-22-2006, 10:40 PM

ohh.. haha.. thats alot of adversity. better luck next time, thats a kickass trap speed. 100 would be teh sex.

BigBalledOX

01-22-2006, 10:41 PM

ohh.. haha.. thats alot of adversity. better luck next time, thats a kickass trap speed. 100 would be teh sex.

Don't worry, with what DeWayne and I are cooking up, I don't think that'll be a problem. :cool:

GrandMasterKhan

01-22-2006, 10:49 PM

so what was your 60ft time?

I ran a 14.7 @ 92mph. with a 2.29 60ft.

BigBalledOX

01-22-2006, 10:52 PM

On that run it was a 2.2 60' IIRC. I didn't keep those timeslips though. :tongue:

CougarGT

01-22-2006, 11:07 PM

haha i know.. but blackcoog trapped at almost the same speed a second faster.. but I guess its possible with a really bad 60' maybe

Think about that once. To run a 15.4 at 96mph means that car was pulling really hard after a bad launch and 60 foot time. With a better launch that car will be running great times with even higher trap speeds.

StealthyWeasel

01-22-2006, 11:11 PM

thats what i said, a bad 60 foot would with a stong car would yield a higher time however a higher trap. Seeing these 3L's progress is really fun:thumbsup:

Blackcoog

01-23-2006, 08:22 AM

FYI my 60' was 2.09 on my run.

96blackse

01-23-2006, 10:00 AM

FYI my 60' was 2.09 on my run.

What were your mods with that run?

Blackcoog

01-23-2006, 11:53 AM

Everything on my web page minus ported oval port heads with gasket matched exhaust ports, cooler thermostat, SVT radiator, and GMK intake. The run was with a hybrid engine. The dyno below was after all the mods above. It's definately quicker now. :) Before that I dynoed at about 192hp with the hybrid.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/blackcoog

1SlowKat

01-23-2006, 03:31 PM

My sister owns a 5spd ATX mazda 3 and it's noticeably faster than my atx cougar. But, I highly doubt it'll even come close to a 3L cougar.

96blackse

01-23-2006, 05:25 PM

Blackcoog

01-23-2006, 10:01 PM

Yup I even had the 18's on with the tires listed on the site (Falken Zeix 512's). :) lol They weigh about the same as my stock wheels so I figured it didn't matter.

rbls4ever

01-24-2006, 01:13 AM

bigger wheel to turn equals slower acceleration. drag strip = mucho acceleration needed , 18's -acceleration.......class dismissed

Aeglos

01-24-2006, 01:26 AM

So get some wide-ass, small diameter wheels for drag. Lots of torque, big contact patch.

BigBalledOX

01-24-2006, 01:39 AM

bigger wheel to turn equals slower acceleration. drag strip = mucho acceleration needed , 18's -acceleration.......class dismissed

I promise weight is a bigger factor than wheel diameter. An 18" wheel and tire that weighs less than a 15" wheel and tire will require less power to rotate. Unsprung weight is a huge factor in drag racing. I guarantee my lightweight 18's with tires will weight a few pounds less per wheel than the 15's or 16's.

Logan Motorsports

01-24-2006, 02:02 AM

all I gotta say....slicks, short ones to give that thing more gear. :evil:

Blackcoog

01-24-2006, 08:14 AM

gyger

01-24-2006, 10:42 AM

Just because they are 18's doesn't mean the wheel is bigger. It's the overall size of the tires. If you get the correct tire the overall diameter should be the same. Only difference would be the weight distribution because the rims are larger. If they are lighter than my 16's it is normally a better idea to stick with what is lighter.
Ding ding ding...we have a winner!

haha i know.. but blackcoog trapped at almost the same speed a second faster.. but I guess its possible with a really bad 60' maybe
There are a few of us that have a similar trap of 96.xx but each has run
a signifcantly different 1/4 time. Wheel spin and hop can play a large part in
it. Look at my weak ass 14.8 at 96, mucho spin is to blame here.

96blackse

01-24-2006, 10:46 AM

Ding ding ding...we have a winner!

There are a few of us that have a similar trap of 96.xx but each has run
a signifcantly different 1/4 time. Wheel spin and hop can play a large part in
it. Look at my weak ass 14.8 at 96, mucho spin is to blame here.

I suppose you have a 3L also? Which flavor? :tongue:

Blackcoog what is your 1/8 times?

Blackcoog

01-24-2006, 11:39 AM

gyger is running a shot of N20

Here is my slip:

R/T: 1.065
60': 2.098
330: 6.036
1/8: 9.244
MPH: 77.91
1000: 12.002
1/4: 14.341 MPH: 96.42

gyger

01-24-2006, 01:03 PM

I suppose you have a 3L also? Which flavor? :tongue:

Blackcoog what is your 1/8 times?

Blackcoog is correct
2.5L I/E/H S-AFCII SVT UIM, LIM, TB, Injectors, Venom 50 shot and now a tune.
That run was before I changed the mounting of the bottle and
before my tune. Should be a good bit lower now.

LinkMan

01-24-2006, 05:05 PM

I promise weight is a bigger factor than wheel diameter. An 18" wheel and tire that weighs less than a 15" wheel and tire will require less power to rotate. Unsprung weight is a huge factor in drag racing. I guarantee my lightweight 18's with tires will weight a few pounds less per wheel than the 15's or 16's.
Generally true, but does also depend on diameter since the majority of the mass is at the outside diameter, and so the lever arm of the 18" wheel is greater than the 15". I don't know what the breakeven point is though... 1 lb? 2 lbs? Someone do the math...

B3NN3TT

01-24-2006, 05:39 PM

the lever arm of the 18" wheel is greater than the 15"

EXACTLY. Nobody seems to consider this. The axle can move a 7.5" spoke x-number of degrees around a circle MUCH quicker than it can move a 9" spoke the same number of degrees.

Like a spinning figure skater. She pulls her arms in closer to her body and begins spinning faster and faster.

Blackcoog

01-24-2006, 10:25 PM

It all depends on the mass of the wheel and the tire. We could argue this forever. Skinny spokes are different than thick spokes. Aluminum is different than steel. There are lots of variables. I also noticed the tires on my 18's weigh almost as much as the rims do. A 16" rim would have more tire on it so more weight on the outside of the rim. So in that case the lever arm affect is worse for the 16" rim. Each case is different.

BigBalledOX

01-25-2006, 12:43 PM

Damn, my memory sucks almost as bad as my 60' times :goofy: (http://www.newcougar.org/forums/showpost.php?p=115609&postcount=23)

That should link you right to the four runs I made back in August.

mond12345

01-25-2006, 12:50 PM

Run three had a 2.27 but than come out with a 16.653 1/4 mile. :goofy:

Blackcoog

01-25-2006, 01:12 PM

Yeah what the heck happened. The first run must be with a different engine than the rest. The MPH is way different.

BigBalledOX

01-25-2006, 01:12 PM

Run three had a 2.27 but than come out with a 16.653 1/4 mile. :goofy:

Yeah . . . thats when my traction control started self-activating despite my physically turning it off. I was staged, had the car ready to launch, and the little damn light came on and totally jacked up my run. NOT COOL. Plus I bounced third in that one. :disgust:

mond12345

01-25-2006, 01:41 PM

So if you turn TC off by the button it really isn't off? When what the heck is the override button for! If you have a ADC chip you can get TC turned off completely.

BigBalledOX

01-25-2006, 01:51 PM

So if you turn TC off by the button it really isn't off? When what the heck is the override button for! If you have a ADC chip you can get TC turned off completely.

Well, that's what is so bizarre about it. A.) I manually turned it off on the first two runs and it stayed off and 2.) I had the ADC chip, though it was not completely disabled at the time.

Logan Motorsports

01-25-2006, 02:01 PM

The fact that you ran a 95mph trap speed is very promising. Did I wipe out that traction control for you? I don't remember...

BigBalledOX

01-25-2006, 02:07 PM

The fact that you ran a 95mph trap speed is very promising. Did I wipe out that traction control for you? I don't remember...

Even if you didn't (pretty sure you did) you'll get another chance to tweak it when I'm up there in March. ;)

GrandMasterKhan

01-25-2006, 02:20 PM

I can attest to wheel weight making a much larger impact that the diameter of the rim.

Lighter is FAR better than smaller diameter. (though generally smaller is lighter...though it is not always the case with aftermarket wheels)

16" wheel/tire.............36b (16" Rota Grid, with 225/50/r16)
19" wheel/tire.............34lbs (avg of 1 - 1.5 mph faster trap speed vs above Rota 16")

stock 16" wheel/tire....40+lbs (+/- for variable tire weight. not to mention they are 1" thinner)
generic 18" wheel/tire...45+lbs (+/- for variable tire weight)

I tested this theory for about 2 hours at cougarfest at the drags. I ran consistantly better times & a consistantly higher trap speed with the 19" Centerline RPM wheels.

azbobbybooshay10

01-27-2006, 11:36 PM

Thanks guys. He said he could run a 16 flat. He has a header, exhaust, and there was one other thing I cannot remember. Sounds fast. lol

Bwahahahaha, tell him to bring his heap here and I'll show him what a Cougar does! I ran 15.8 on a 126k mile 2.5 MTX with high heat, more time to spare! I seriously love morons who think they drive "teh shyte" car, only to get smoked by my "grandma car". :rofl: