ADC Chip one bank to four bank

[BigBalledOX]

Hey, anyone know when ADC went from one-bank SCT chips to four-bank SCT chips? I'm trying to pick one up used from a member here, the chip was purchased in May of last year so I'm thinking it will be the four-bank, but I can't seem to find ADC's website so I can contact them and figured I would just sniff around on here.

[RodneyBur]

is the four bank the chip where you can have several programs on one chip?

How hard is it to switch back and fro from the different programs. say between a NA program and then a nitrous program

[james99]

Hey, anyone know when ADC went from one-bank SCT chips to four-bank SCT chips? I'm trying to pick one up used from a member here, the chip was purchased in May of last year so I'm thinking it will be the four-bank, but I can't seem to find ADC's website so I can contact them and figured I would just sniff around on here.

here's adc's site, hope this helps.

http://www.arizonadynochip.com/Default.asp

[BigBalledOX]

is the four bank the chip where you can have several programs on one chip?

How hard is it to switch back and fro from the different programs. say between a NA program and then a nitrous program

:tongue: Stop spying on me! :rofl:

Thats actually exactly why I want the four-bank. How hard is it? Pie, baby, easy as. There's a little dial which will allow you to select your tune on the fly.

What I'm most interested in is a nifty little device my boys at Logan Motorsports came up with. Its a nine-position dial. Zero selects the stock tune, 1,2,3 and 4 select the programs on the chip depending on how many you have, and 5,6,7 and 8 disable the program. No program = no engine start = g'head, try and steal my ride fool. :biggrin:

[mond12345]

Your best bet is just to contact them and ask.

Contact Form (http://www.arizonadynochip.com/asp/mzTellUs.asp)

[BigBalledOX]

Yeah, I'm a moron and tried Corporation, not Chip, when I was typing in the website name. And corporation didn't bring up the website either, hmmm, wonder why? :goofy: I contacted them, but thank you for your help fellas.

[DemonSVT]

I think you mean multiple program chips because all late model PCM's have 4 banks. Of those tuners really only touch 2 banks when making a custom program. The other two banks are just a direct copy of the stock program.

Also a full 4 bank edited program will take up twice the Eprom memory on a chip so a 4 program chip can only support 2 4-bank programs instead of 4 2-bank programs.

Old school (i.e. early) EEC-IV is 1 bank programs.

[Logan Motorsports]

Actually, the SCT 6600 chip has four banks in it, meaning it can hold 4 completely different tunes. It holds the tunes separately, and each different one is activated by a small switch selector. It also has a postition for the stock tune as well as "no start", so it could actually be called a 5 position, but all that happens with the stock tune position is that the chip is deactivated. Also, the chip can hold four tunes for any EEC-IV vehicle, no matter how old or new.

[RodneyBur]

how easy would it be to switch back and fourth between the programs. I noticed that you said that "each one is activated by a small switch selector."

Now is the switch on the chip causing us to have to reach under dash to switch between programs? Can a remote switch be connected to allow easier switching such as putting on in the glove box / under seat / middle console / etc etc?

Is that the same set up with the x-cal2 or is the SCT6600 chip seperate hardware?

[Logan Motorsports]

No, the switch is connected to the chip, but it's got about a 5 foot cord and can be mounted anywhere. The tunes can be switched whenever, and actually you are able to change between the four custom tunes on the fly.

The XCal-2 is a flasher, the chip is hardware. The XCal-2 can hold multiple tunes as well, but you have to stop the car and turn it off to switch between them, and it takes about 1 minute to do it.

[RodneyBur]

Does the chip you are referring too come with the xcal2 setup or would that be extra? How bout the prp?

[Logan Motorsports]

The chip and the XCal2 are separate things that accomplish the same goal. When you get your car tuned, you have the option of getting an SCT chip or and SCT XCal2. They both do exactly the same things, in different ways. The chip is hardware, meaning it is sort of an add-on to the existing computer. The XCal2 flashes the stock computer, changing any parameters that were altered by the tuner in doing so. Now, the 6600 four bank SCT chip is 299, then it is 30 dollars for a custom burn, and then it is 30 dollars for the little switch chip to change between them. The XCal2 is 379, and it is 30 dollars for the custom flash. So the chip is alittle cheaper, as you can see. The reason people will buy the XCal2 is that it has datalogging capabilities, as well as trouble code reading and clearing. These things require a laptop, but as you can see it is a nice added feature.

I, personally, like to use the chips whenever possible because they are hardware. That means there is a much smaller chance of something happening to your tune, and I very much like the benefit of being able to switch between tunes on the fly. Really it is a matter of choice for the customer.

I hope that helps!!!

[RodneyBur]

crap. that stalls my plans a little. I was really wanting something where I could switch between programs quickly, and have the capabilities to fine tune the program on a dyno to get the most out of the program. My opinion is that every engine is like a work of art and they are all a little different. Not to mention that I will be a little outside the norm on my 3l build with some of the parts I am using. I didnt want to deal with all this mail order stuff of having to send the chip in after hitting a dyno only to find out it needs tweaked again and again after some parts get changed out.

Since the chip holds the data, would it be possible to get it flashed with the programs and then use the xcal2 to change that program in place of changing the program on the ECU? I prob wouldnt do this since it would cost some major extra $$$$$

Also I need to know if the stock ECU is removed and replaced by the chip or if the ECU is still in the car when the chip is being ran.

[Logan Motorsports]

I see. Any place that offers SCT products should be able to custom tune your car, and like you I'm a firm believer in custom tuning on a dyno. There is simply no substitute. If you can't find a reputable shop to tune the car near you, what you need is called the "SCT Pro Racer Package". Now, as before, you have two options with this setup. You can order the Package with either an XCal2 or a 6600 chip, the decision is up to you as the two packages are very similar in price. In this case I'd lean toward the XCal2 because it flashes and datalogges in one unit, simplifying things. What you get with the Pro Racer Package is access to the same software that every SCT tuner uses. That means you have the capability to alter any part of the Ford computer. The software is locked to your processor code, meaning you can only use it on your car. If you get the Package with the Chip, it comes with the chip burner and a datalogger, if you get it with the XCal2, it comes with just the XCal2 and the software. Both packages are alittle under 800 dollars, which is quite a deal considering you can change whatever you want, whenever you want. That means speed limiters, rev limiters, idle speed, fuel mixture, anything you can think of. If you decide to add a turbo later, you have the software to compensate. The only thing is, if you plan on tuning somewhere besides the dyno, you'll need a wide band air-fuel setup. Innovate Motorsports ( www.innovatemotorsports.com ) makes a very nice one for an extremely good price. You also obviously need a laptop to run the software and do all the flashing.

Now, to caution you on this. Unless you plan on changing things on your car VERY often, getting the car tuned by a professional is going to better, and probably cheaper. The SCT software has nearly 500 parameters in it, meaning if you do not know what you are doing, there are 500 things to mess up. I would be willing to help you get started, but as you know tuning is my living and I can't delve all my secrets or no one will have a reason to come to me. The software isn't impossible, you just need to be patient and have a decent amount of computer and car knowledge to make it work. We have sold a number of pro racer packages, mostly to racers. Guys like it because they can make changes at the track, when they want to. I personally think it is a great option, but once again, there is a steep learning curve.

Also, the chip just slides into a slot on the computer, all Ford computers up to 2004 have the slot built in.

[Logan Motorsports]

Just so you know, I know this probably seems kinda crazy and confusing, sometimes I get confused and I sell the stuff! Seriously, if you ever have any questions about this SCT stuff before you buy it, just give me a call. That number on my tag is my cell phone, feel free to call whenever. You can also check out www.sctflash.com , that is the company that makes all these products and you could contact them with questions as well.

[J-Man]

for being so young, you seem to know your stuff very well.

i just checked out your website, and wow is all i can say about your history.

[BigBalledOX]

www.sctflash.com is how I found Logan Motorsports. There's a search engine that will let you search for dealers within a certain distance up to 500 miles. It lists all their capabilities too.

[Logan Motorsports]

for being so young, you seem to know your stuff very well.

i just checked out your website, and wow is all i can say about your history.

Thanks man...that's really cool you read the whole thing. You know, it's not that I'm any smarter or better at this than the next guy, but I've found that people who love what they do tend to be better at it than people who don't. I think it's pretty crazy that I get paid to work on cars, I'd be doing it even if I didn't. My dad and I are just normal guys who were once customers too, so hearing that from you really hits home, thanks.

[J-Man]

no problem DeWayne.

[RodneyBur]

I just want to make sure I understand all this.

The SCT PRP has two options the chip or the xcal2 and they both have EXACTLY the same tuning abilities.

The chip set up comes with a chip burner, but is ran by a laptop to change the tune. The laptop with the software hooked to the chip burner is acting as the flashing device.

The xcal2 comes with, well the xcal2. It is the flashing device and datalogger and rewrites the code on the stock ECU.

Both setups need to be on a dyno to be fine tuned or wideband O2 for the proffesional backyard mechanics.

They both have the same tuning capabilities except that the chip PRP can change between programs (once written to chip) using a switch while the xcal2 needs to reflash the ecu with internally stored programs. The only difference between the two would be the way they interface with the cars ECU and the hardware used to do it.

Does the chip replace the ECU then or is the ECU still in the car? Pats issues?

It seems the chip PRP may be exactly what I am looking for as long as all the tuning capabilites are there.

Do you have any pictures available of the components that is in the chip PRP? I looked around on your website but couldnt find any.

Do you have any good screenshots of the software in action? I'd love to see some of the datalogger info and of the tuning software.

You've been a BIG help. Thanks for your time and effort btw.

Found most of my answers on the PRP SCT website:HERE (http://www.sctflash.com/product_racer.php)

[Logan Motorsports]

Yea, you got it man! The ECU is still in the car (the chip sort of plugs into the ECU, I'll get a picture), and I'll get those screen shots tomorrow, also I'll take some pictures of the SCT chip burner and datalogger as well. Expect those up at the very latest by Friday.

No problem helping man, lemme know if you have any other questions.

[RodneyBur]

I meant to ask also if the chip with the PRP has the ability to read trouble codes and clear them like the xcal2 can.

Can't wait for the pics. :)

[Logan Motorsports]

Yea, you can read codes with the datalogger supplied, and you can clear them. It has all the same features as the XCal2 setup.

[Logan Motorsports]

Hey Rodney, here you go!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/LoganMotor/Raptor.jpg

This is the Raptor datalogger that comes with the PRP.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/LoganMotor/ChipBurner.jpg

This is the chip burner that comes with the kit, and as you can see I put a chip on it just to show you how it sits on there.

[RodneyBur]

very cool.

Is the chip installed open like that or is there some sort of cast to protect it? I know it sits under the dash and all but what about dirt, dust, water, mud, snow, etc etc.

[Logan Motorsports]

Well, the computer is actually inside the cab....so snow and dirt aren't really an issue. It's protected pretty well, but we usually just throw a piece of tape over it just to make sure it doesn't vibrate loose.

[Tygerr]

Logan.. you should do a group buy for NECO. I'm sure CEG will be just as interested.

[DemonSVT]

Actually, the SCT 6600 chip has four banks in it, meaning it can hold 4 completely different tunes. It holds the tunes separately, and each different one is activated by a small switch selector. It also has a postition for the stock tune as well as "no start", so it could actually be called a 5 position, but all that happens with the stock tune position is that the chip is deactivated. Also, the chip can hold four tunes for any EEC-IV vehicle, no matter how old or new.
I hope you were not responding to my post. I was talking about the actual PCM itself and not the number of programs a specific chip can hold. You can call them "tunes" but I would refrain from calling them "banks" when EEC-V is concerned. We have a 4 BANK EEC-V PCM.

Also unless something happened recently nobody edits more then 2 banks of the stock 4 bank PCM program. (TwEECer excluded) For starters there is little more then emissions and diagnostic programming in most of that code.

Also as a refresher my TwEECer has had 4 "tune" programmability for years now. 4 programs and a bypass position. Exactly where SCT got the idea from btw.

[Logan Motorsports]

We do, in fact, have access to all four banks. There isn't a single thing I can't touch in that PCM. And the reason I call them "four bank" chips is because that is what SCT calls them. Sorry for the misunderstanding.....how do you like that tweecer by the way? I've never tried one.