Trophies at Fest

[Excelcier]

Cast your vote!

[ND4SPD]

with money as tight as it sounds... I think they are an unessessary expence THIS year.

in addition to cost savings - after the disaster that occured LAST year, I dont think we some people are mature enough to handel trophies.


if trophies ARE to be added, they should be one of the last things.

[KurtsKougar]

If we are giving out tropheys for power we should have them for show also. for those of us concentrating on looks not power

[Excelcier]

That's why we are suggesting scrapping ALL trophies to be fair. The trophies for looks are totally subjective, not objective.

[BigBalledOX]

That's why we are suggesting scrapping ALL trophies to be fair. The trophies for looks are totally subjective, not objective.

Maybe people just need to grow a pair and act like an adult about it and realize not everyone is going to bow down and worship everything about any given car. Hell, I had three guys in my own chapter tell me white faced gauges were :puke:, but I love 'em, I'm getting 'em, and I'm happy about it.

Maybe there should be the "adult" and the "pouter" division for the show. Everyone in the pouter division can get a bronzed pacifier, but then there won't be any hurt feelings over not winning.

[ND4SPD]

/broken record

trophies are a waste of energy for this event... la la la la

I can't believe people care about them so much - if there were NO trophies at cougarfest... would you still show up?

(I really hope so!!! :) )

[jaged]

id def show up. Its one of 2 times i get to hang out with all the canuks and the one time to hang with the cali guys, and the capital peeps, and......

[J-Man]

no trophies lead to less drama. so my vote is for no trophies.

[azbobbybooshay10]

no trophies lead to less drama. so my vote is for no trophies.

+1

Something easier would be some type of "certificate", in which case we can have a whole assload of awards and not make it such a drama-fest. The only cost would be someone printing them out on some halfway decent sheets of paper.

[ND4SPD]

you're missing the point with that Bobby ;)

the object is not to say that one persons car is better than someone elses, because we are all there for the same reason - to hang out with other NECO members :)

[Excelcier]

you're missing the point with that Bobby ;)

the object is not to say that one persons car is better than someone elses, because we are all there for the same reason - to hang out with other NECO members :)

Word...

[RedBaron1]

you're missing the point with that Bobby ;)

the object is not to say that one persons car is better than someone elses, because we are all there for the same reason - to hang out with other NECO members :)

I agree with my bro from north of the border...

....trophies were weird last year. I've missed only two 'fests and my first one had nothing to do with trophies and everything to do with kickin it with people that have one common interest....love for the cougar.

....I mod my car for one person and one person only, thats me and no one else. and its always been like that. I enter car shows and go to meets because I like hangin with the people and seeing new mods and stuff...its nice to know that people dig my ride (and get trophies as a result) but at cougarfest, we all dig the ride and thats why we're there, so what's the point of trophies?

[fordrule]

the object is not to say that one persons car is better than someone elses, because we are all there for the same reason - to hang out with other NECO members :)


P.I.M.P.

[COOGAH]

i totally agree with matt's ideal...however, i have NEVER i repeat, NEVER won anything outside a raffle. sure i have won things that were reliant on my strength and size such as arm wrestling and football, but never anything else.all i have ever gotten was an "attaboy" and a slap on the ass. i never got a trophy for anythign in school or outside of school, and with the level of crap i am doing to my car for the last 2 years, i want a trophy. but i guess thats my issue alone. anywho, i would gladly accept a bronzed pacifier, at least its something. maybe i'll just buy myself one and everyone can pretend i won it for being a sexy teddy bear

[ND4SPD]

Sami... if you attend any non-neco car show within 1000 miles... with the isht you are doing... you will walk away with PILES of trophies... trust me :)

heh, besides, I didn't EVEN win a raffle last year, and I really wanted one of those Absorber towels :( :tongue:

But no one needs a trophy to know that their car is the best. ;) IMO, my car wins best of show every year no matter what state its in! lol It just so happend that I was luckly in 2004 and people agreed with me!

[hotcat]

I have to vent because I can’t believe what I am reading. ND4SPD, ask yourself if you would have the same opinion if you took home a trophy last year? In 2004 when you took the best of show could you hear yourself thinking that Cougarfest shouldn’t have trophies? I mean the reason for joining a forum is for the cars. You like to see what is out there and you learn something new. I go to show to show off what time, dedication, and hard work can get you and to share it with people of the same interest. People don’t go to Nopi to meet people, right? They go to compete, so if there’s no trophies there’s no real show.. If Sami deserves a trophy why shouldn’t he collect it at Cougarfest amongst his friends? Maybe too many members have pour sportsmanship because the only thing that provokes drama is immaturity of not being able to handle someone else having a shot in the spotlight. It really discourages new members from wanting to show up and if that happens then Cougarfest will always just be the same people over and over again. How are you supposed to encourage new members to join in on all the fun and meet new people when everyone is already in their own click?

All I’m saying is, a car show isn’t a car show without trophies.

To me those trophies would have been like a souvenir, so in a few years I can look back at those and remember that time when I drove 2200 miles and won them. It’s kind of disappointing when you win something and have no reward to show for it.

[COOGAH]

i think i can answer that question for you by saying this:

I have known Matt for around 6 years now and i can say that yes, he thinks like that. matt is a really good guy.

Clearly there is two schools of thought which have very valid arguments for their respective cases. CF is all about love, but i also agree that if we show cars you have to give recognition in some way just for some friendly competition. that is why i suggested e-Trophies in the other thread

[Moraki]

Cougar fest is more of a national meet than a car show to most of us. I know thats sort of a blurry line there but most of us arent there to show off ... just to hang out and have fun.

[Excelcier]

i think i can answer that question for you by saying this:

I have known Matt for around 6 years now and i can say that yes, he thinks like that. matt is a really good guy.

Clearly there is two schools of thought which have very valid arguments for their respective cases. CF is all about love, but i also agree that if we show cars you have to give recognition in some way just for some friendly competition. that is why i suggested e-Trophies in the other thread
I'll back both Sammy and Matt. I've also known Matt for a few years now and I've met up with Sammy a few times at Cougarfest. Truthfully, Cougarfest USED to be a car show. It has evolved. It's not a NOPI because those are just collections of hardcore competitors of many different breeds and genres. Cougarfest is about Cougar owners. In the beginning it was about the car and its origon as it begun in Michigan as an idea Brad had to rally Cougar owners together to tour the plant where the Cougar was built and a trip to Dearborn to the engineering design centers to meet the engineers and reps from Ford who designed and released the car. It then evolved to be a social avenue for everyone who begun to have something in common. In fact, 2004 was the first year to even HAVE trophies, it never was a car show, it was a car showing and a social event for friends to have an excuse to get together from all across North America in a venue where they would never otherwise have the ability to hang out and have a good time with eachother. We also gather to compare mods and help eachother out with ideas and even work on eachothers cars. There are some who have made it competitive but for the majority of us, it's a HUGE hangout and drunk-fest with friends....no, not friends, our extended family for a yearly family reunion. That's my $0.02.

For the record, I've walked away with a trophy in 2004 and 2005 and I am a STRONG supporter of not having tropheys so your logic was flawed unfortunately. I sure hope you come out and see us in action and understand where our opinions are coming from and you'll understand. Welcome to the family.

If you want a trophy to serve as a memory of the event to look back on, I would recommend the trophey of friendship and loyalty of the members and lots of pictures to take with you. That's all the trophey most of us need!

[BigBalledOX]

*Thunderous standing applause for Exelcier*

I've never been to CougarFest. I DO think that by the time it rolls around I'm going to have one of the nicest mildly-modded Cougars around. Would it be kinda fun to get a trophy? Damn skippy it would be. But if I don't get one, its not gonna bother me. If it will prevent people's feelings from getting bent out of shape for the entirely wrong reasons, then I say scrap em.

[sonza68]

Cougar fest is more of a national meet than a car show to most of us. I know thats sort of a blurry line there but most of us arent there to show off ... just to hang out and have fun.
I know that's true for me. Hell, I didn't even go to the show part at 2 of the 4 Cougarfests I've been too.

[jaged]

i def had more fun going to th autox on sat then sitting around in the hot sun looking at people rub on their cars. I got enough of that on thurs and fri. I had seen all the cool stuff i wanted to see before the "show" part. it was more fun watching/participating in the "go" part sat. last year

Everybody has their own "best" cars in each category, and chances are they are going to tell that person at some point over the couple days. Those multiple recognitions mean a lot more than the one trophy that's prolly gonna pi$$ someone else off cause they didnt win because of "this" or "that"

[ND4SPD]

I have to vent because I can’t believe what I am reading. ND4SPD, ask yourself if you would have the same opinion if you took home a trophy last year? In 2004 when you took the best of show could you hear yourself thinking that Cougarfest shouldn’t have trophies? I mean the reason for joining a forum is for the cars. You like to see what is out there and you learn something new. I go to show to show off what time, dedication, and hard work can get you and to share it with people of the same interest. People don’t go to Nopi to meet people, right? They go to compete, so if there’s no trophies there’s no real show.. If Sami deserves a trophy why shouldn’t he collect it at Cougarfest amongst his friends? Maybe too many members have pour sportsmanship because the only thing that provokes drama is immaturity of not being able to handle someone else having a shot in the spotlight. It really discourages new members from wanting to show up and if that happens then Cougarfest will always just be the same people over and over again. How are you supposed to encourage new members to join in on all the fun and meet new people when everyone is already in their own click?

All I’m saying is, a car show isn’t a car show without trophies.

To me those trophies would have been like a souvenir, so in a few years I can look back at those and remember that time when I drove 2200 miles and won them. It’s kind of disappointing when you win something and have no reward to show for it.
First, I would like to thank you for posting politely. I saw the word "vent" and thought 'uhoh...' :)

To respond, I must say that while I did win 'best of show' in 2004, it was NOT the reason why I drove for 17 hours over two days, into another country with my mom... I show up without any expectations other than to have a good time, and hang out with the very good friends I have made.
Trophies should not be anyones motivation for showing up... Being in sunny Florida, i'm positive that there are hundreds of shows around you every year at which you could easily win awards. People show up at cougarfest because they want to be amongst people who share the same enthusiasm towards the same car... or so I would hope. :)


As was mentioned, Cougarfest aquired the following it has now from years of events WITHOUT trophies. and I hope that people don't believe that there is some kind of NEED or requirement, that there MUST be trophies at the event to have a good time.


Why can't we all just hang out and party with each other? Go to the tracks, stayup all night, go on cruses and photoshoots... We do this for 4 days out of the entire year, and trophies have proven themselves to ruin it. There was no drama with the best of show... heck, even I voted for you... but the few bad apples spoiled the bunch.


I just don't think there is a reason anyone would think a trophy is going to make themselves feel vindicated amongst their peers.


Everyone needs to ask themselves "What is Cougarfest" - and like a school report, everyone should write down 'what it means to them'. Is it a hardcore car show like Nopi, HIN, etc.?? or, is it a gathering of Car-Club, which is welcome all ages of 99-02 Mercury Cougars, who get together once a year from all over North America?

To me, I really don't have the words to express how fond I am of the event, but it is certainly about more than raffles, trophies and yes, even drinking. ;)

[Smitty2430]

I have to vent because I can’t believe what I am reading. ND4SPD, ask yourself if you would have the same opinion if you took home a trophy last year? In 2004 when you took the best of show could you hear yourself thinking that Cougarfest shouldn’t have trophies? I mean the reason for joining a forum is for the cars. You like to see what is out there and you learn something new. I go to show to show off what time, dedication, and hard work can get you and to share it with people of the same interest. People don’t go to Nopi to meet people, right? They go to compete, so if there’s no trophies there’s no real show.. If Sami deserves a trophy why shouldn’t he collect it at Cougarfest amongst his friends? Maybe too many members have pour sportsmanship because the only thing that provokes drama is immaturity of not being able to handle someone else having a shot in the spotlight. It really discourages new members from wanting to show up and if that happens then Cougarfest will always just be the same people over and over again. How are you supposed to encourage new members to join in on all the fun and meet new people when everyone is already in their own click?

All I’m saying is, a car show isn’t a car show without trophies.

To me those trophies would have been like a souvenir, so in a few years I can look back at those and remember that time when I drove 2200 miles and won them. It’s kind of disappointing when you win something and have no reward to show for it.

Thank you for someone standing up and saying something!

I think that if we are going to have a "car show" there needs to be trophies or certificates. Something! If there is no trophies/certificates, there shouldn't be a "car show". We should ALL just cruise around all Saturday!

If people don't want to be part of the judge show and don't care about being recognized, dont enter into that part of the "car show".

I will put myself out on a limb here and say that I will pay up to $100 out my own pocket to pay for certificates to be printed out. If some one designs them, I will pay to have them printed out!

Yes, you read correctly....I will pay up to $100 out of my own pocket for certificates/trophies for CougarFest 2006!

Jeremy

[Smitty2430]

2 or 3 bad apples shouldn't ruin it for th rest of us that can handle friendly competition between our cougar peers!

[ND4SPD]

Exactly... thats also what I think... but 2 or 3 bad ones DID ruin it.

I'm sure I've come off as a total anti-trophy person, but really, I'm not - its just that I would rather not see Cougarfest turn into something so serious, that it doesn't become 'fun' anymore... I wouldn't be as happy paying all that money to show up this year, if I had to look forward to the drama that happened last fest.

If people can 'play nice', by all means - bring on the gold! make mini trophies so we are all 'teh winnarz!1!' lol...

But in essence, its like parents telling their kids "now, if I give you this toy, you have to promise to share and be nice!"
Naturally, the kids say "yes yes mommy and daddy, we promise"
And then 2 seconds later, they're fighting over the stupid thing anyway.

If trophies are at the show, great! BUT everyone who enters the "show" should agree that *all decisions are final*, and everyone shakes hands, then goes out and parties all night. :)

[BigBalledOX]

Exactly... thats also what I think... but 2 or 3 bad ones DID ruin it.

I'm sure I've come off as a total anti-trophy person, but really, I'm not - its just that I would rather not see Cougarfest turn into something so serious, that it doesn't become 'fun' anymore... I wouldn't be as happy paying all that money to show up this year, if I had to look forward to the drama that happened last fest.

If people can 'place nice', but by all means - bring on the gold! make mini trophies so we are all 'teh winnarz!1!' lol...

But in essence, its like parents telling their kids "now, if I give you this toy, you have to promise to share and be nice!"
Naturally, the kids say "yes yes mommy and daddy, we promise"
And then 2 seconds later, they're fighting over the stupid thing anyway.

If trophies are at the show, great! BUT everyone who enters the "show" should agree that *all decisions are final*, and everyone shakes hands, then goes out and parties all night. :)

+1 for teh Canadian.

[Smitty2430]

If trophies are at the show, great! BUT everyone who enters the "show" should agree that *all decisions are final*, and everyone shakes hands, then goes out and parties all night. :)

EXACTLY!!!!:bowdown: :cool:

If you can't handle not winning, don't enter into the "show"

[Excelcier]

Agreed.

[Nafunu32]

Dont get trophies... take the money and try to lower the hotel cost. How can one person judge the looks of another persons car? Everyone has different views on looks and such, and basically these trophies would be going to people with the most money put into it.

my two cents

[EternalOne]

these trophies would be going to people with the most money put into it

Hm, that's exactly what a car show is usually. Granted, you can take $10k and make a pile of crap, but generally someone spending that kinda cheese knows wtf they are doing.

E1

[Excelcier]

Hm, that's exactly what a car show is usually. Granted, you can take $10k and make a pile of crap, but generally someone spending that kinda cheese knows wtf they are doing.

E1

Or people who don't spend that kinda cheese cause they did most of it themselves to save the $$$ and have pride in their work... not all of us threw big $$$ into their car to have something to talk about.

[BigBalledOX]

Wow, this is getting ugly already.

[Smitty2430]

Dont get trophies... take the money and try to lower the hotel cost. How can one person judge the looks of another persons car? Everyone has different views on looks and such, and basically these trophies would be going to people with the most money put into it.

my two cents

1. I already stated in this thread and one other one that I was willing to pay up to $100 out of my own pocket for certificates/trophies.

2. Usually more than 3 people judge cars at a show. If we make it a peer judged show then everyone has a chance to vote for their favorite cars.

3. Just because you drop a lot of money into your car doesnt make you a "shoe in" for a trophy. Example: E1 didnt win anything last year and I'm sure he dropped some serious cash on his car.

4. Getting rid of the trophies/certificates isnt going to lower the cost of the hotel, maybe the registration but not that much.

[EternalOne]

Ron, I don't know of a single best of show winner that did everything on their own. Taking home trophies at big shows requires big money, that's what this has turned into. It used to be that the most innovative, and most unique got the trophies, but that only lasted a few years before it followed the path of the lowrider and mini-truck. Now if you expect to take home trophies at every show, you better be prepared to spend the money.

On a side note, just because someone paid someone else to do the work, does not mean they do not have pride in the job that was completed. I've built many cars by my own hand, but I simply don't have the time to do that any longer. I now can plan an entire project out, make sure that the best in the industry work on it, and get it completed on my timeline. For some people its about the end result, for others its about the trip getting there. I'm done spending countless hours busting my ass, I'd much rather design and plan now-a-days. I know whom your comment was aimed at, but judges don't care who did the work. That's simply a fact of car shows.

E1

[Excelcier]

No worries John, I actually didn't have you in mind at all when I stated that and I didn't mean it as a slam on anyone. It was a generic statement.

I was just saying that you don't HAVE to spend big $$ if you have some talent to do some things yourself to keep the costs down... that was all I meant.

[tnkgurl]

On a side note, just because someone paid someone else to do the work, does not mean they do not have pride in the job that was completed.
E1

I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Nothing gets done to your car that you don't choose or collaborate or design yourself. Should Crispy not get recognized for her paint just because she doesn't know how to or have the time to implement a paint scheme she designed? No, absolutely not. I appreciate those who have the time and the skills to work on their cars, but I don't think that people who don't do the work themselves should be ruled out simply because they didn't do the work themselves.

I appreciate that there was drama last year due to the trophies. I think that people are failing to recognize that those who were selected to judge weren't experienced in any way shape or form. Judging, whether by peers or professionals, is all subjective anyway. It's all about what is deemed appealing. Cut the judges some slack, chalk it up to a bad year and move on.

I also don't think that people who have had the opportunity to win "Glow Off" or "Best in Show" or "Best Paint" should be wholesale against the trophies at Fest. You've won, give someone else a chance.

So please, can we let this thread do what it is intended to do: allow people to vote whether or not to have trophies at Fest. Leave the drama where it should be....last year.

[tnkgurl]

I still think it would be easiet, if there were no subjective trophies...

But isn't it nice to think that you could win something? You've worked on Ron's car with him and take pride in the trophies he wins as well. Don't you want people to be able to have the rush of winning?

[Excelcier]

Kelly, those who know me well ( like you ) know that I never meant my comment to become mistaken. I'm surprised it was. Friends like Crispy, John, Matt have beautiful cars and deserve trophies, no doubt...

My comment was simply to state that as an OPTION to spending big $$$ you could do some work yourself. I never meant this to get carried away or misread. Those who know me know that I have no ill intent towards anyone, even during last years drama I was trying to help a certain person.

[Crispy]

god I REALLY hate the constant pissing matches with Neco... it's getting old..

If we have trophies, then we do.. I'm not one to question any of the judging as I feel that its always been fair at any Fest thus far.. If it causes drama then those people need to grow up and realize that it has nothing against them.

I could care less if I win a trophy as my cat Asche always breaks them later.. :rofl:

[EternalOne]

Don't worry Ron, I didn't take it the wrong way, just wanted to make sure you understood my side of things, as well. ;)

I like the idea of having trophies, because I remember the first trophy I ever won at a car show. Thing is, I now have FAR too many trophies, and I could care less about it for myself. But I do see the benefit in them for others. I would gladly abstain from having my car judged if it gave someone else a shot at "their first win". It's just not that important to me any longer.

I think this is the same thing as with the track. I am going to CF to hang out with good friends, that is my primary reason for going. I can go to Milan to run at a track, and I can enter car shows all year long, but this group I only get to see once a year and I want to make sure I enjoy every moment of it with them. ;)

Some people want trophies, some people want track time, some people don't care. The more I think about it, the more I understand the whole situation and where everyone else is coming from.

E1

[Excelcier]

god I REALLY hate the constant pissing matches with Neco... it's getting old..

If we have trophies, then we do.. I'm not one to question any of the judging as I feel that its always been fair at any Fest thus far.. If it causes drama then those people need to grow up and realize that it has nothing against them.

I could care less if I win a trophy as my cat Asche always breaks them later.. :rofl:

100% agreed... now let's just close this lock this thread down already. I'm sure there's enough info / votes / opinions to allow the committee to decide already.

[EternalOne]

I'm not one to question any of the judging as I feel that its always been fair at any Fest thus far

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Last years judging was flawed in a large way. There's something about non-car people judging a car show that just doesn't seem right to me.

That's like me going in and judging a professional cake bake-off -- how in the hell do I know what requires a high-level of skill and what can be made from a box mix? It's the same with last years juding, a few of those people didn't know the difference between boltons and fully custom molded kits. That is a SERIOUS flaw, if you ask me. (No offense intended to those that judged, but I feel those judging should at least know our platform, ie peer voting.)

E1

[tnkgurl]

Kelly, those who know me well ( like you ) know that I never meant my comment to become mistaken. I'm surprised it was. Friends like Crispy, John, Matt have beautiful cars and deserve trophies, no doubt...

My comment was simply to state that as an OPTION to spending big $$$ you could do some work yourself. I never meant this to get carried away or misread. Those who know me know that I have no ill intent towards anyone, even during last years drama I was trying to help a certain person.

Ron, nor were my comments directed at you. Your comments brought up several conversations I had with DanG in particular and others in general. I think it's great that you and DanG and others have the knowledge of how to do the modifications that you do. I just don't think that those of us who don't have that knowledge should be excluded or frowned upon. When it comes right down to it, it's all about a vision in your head. If you can implement that vision, whether it's by yourself or with the help of professionals, then you should be judged on your vision.

Again, a lot of drama was stirred up when this was only meant to be a voting thread. I implore us all to keep the drama in the past, kick of this year's Fest with an open mind and keep your cats from breaking your trophies! :thumbsup:

[tnkgurl]

I've done work on the car, true, but I could care less if he wins or not. To me, it's not about winning, it's about meeting up with friends. Besides, it's the people you don't know at the store, or wherever that come up to you and say, "man I love your car" that makes me proud. Just my thoughts, anyway.

I think you're missing the point. Hopefully, nobody goes in thinking they are a ringer because if so, they set themselves up for disappointment. My point was that there's a certain amount of pride when you DO win, so shouldn't others have the pride of winning?

[tnkgurl]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Last years judging was flawed in a large way. There's something about non-car people judging a car show that just doesn't seem right to me.


Non-car people judged the cars with the help of one car person in 2004. This judging appeared to be very successful. The inherent problem with Fest is the number of people who are there to show are showing Cougars only. With general car shows, there are so many different categories that it seems like it would be easier to find someone to judge a certain category that doesn't have the same biases.

They tried to implement the same kind of judging system last year and it failed. Time to find a new way. :biggrin:

[Crispy]

screw it.. if there is going to be this much drama even from the committee members then ax the trophies...

had I known someone was going to pout or piss and moan almost a YEAR later I would have just re-gifted my trophy to them.

With all this crap being posted I'm tempted to just leave the car at home this year.

[LadyX]

I think you're missing the point. Hopefully, nobody goes in thinking they are a ringer because if so, they set themselves up for disappointment. My point was that there's a certain amount of pride when you DO win, so shouldn't others have the pride of winning?

You make a good point. ;)

[tnkgurl]

You make a good point. ;)

:grouphug:

I think that we should all simmer down, agree that the judging needs to be kicked up a notch, and do what's best for the membership. Have trophies! :rofl:

[Rikenbomb]

How about the Show part gets a separate entry fee? Money collected can go to trophies. :shrug: Entry forms can be submitted and so on. You can make it like what $10-15 bucks to enter or something?

Classes can range from several things:
Stock, Mild, Wild, '99-'00 and '01-'02, best ofs, etc...

It would eliminate those that don't care about it and concentrate on those that do, much like the Autocross, Dyno and Drag events. :shrug:

Just pitching out ideas. I wouldn't really care either way, but I'd like to see something.

Probably the hardest part would be getting the right people to judge.

[BigBalledOX]

WOw, hey, whoa . . . sorry if I misinterpreted. Pardon my ignorance. I wasn't trying to incite anything, and I apologize for misconstruing what you said Excelcier.

[ND4SPD]

No way Crispy... your car was like a big giant juicy Orange in the parking lot last fest... *mmmm* I would like to see it again!


You know what guys? heres some quick ideas...


- what if people who have won trophies in the past... were not eligible this year to win?


- what if say... ONE person does the judging? (of which I volunteer since I like everyone, and am even from a neutral country :biggrin: :) - okay, well, maybe two or three Judges.... Perhaps Crispy, E1 and Myself?

- I write up an actual evaluation score card which would be used.



I know John and I are organizational freaks... WE could make this work quickly and efficiently, but everyone has to agree to play by the rules... and if not, then we will send release "Teh Crispy" to come kick your ass :tongue:

[Rikenbomb]

I mean you can even use the NCCA's rule book. You can have people place their car in a category and the whole shabang, must like other shows. YOu can even raise the price of Auto-x, drag (if there is any) and other events to cover trophy cost in those events.

[tnkgurl]

I like Henry's idea of paying extra to enter the show, but I really like the idea of contestants selecting what class they are to go into, based upon feedback from experts (this is to prevent anyone from making an honest mistake).

I also like Matt's idea of the structured cards so that people can know exactly what they are being judged on.

I don't think we should eliminate those who have won in the past though. Cuz Skywalker won cleanest stock one year, but he might not be stock this year so he deserves a chance to compete (he's the first that came to mind).

[BigBalledOX]

I like Henry's idea of paying extra to enter the show, but I really like the idea of contestants selecting what class they are to go into, based upon feedback from experts (this is to prevent anyone from making an honest mistake).

I also like Matt's idea of the structured cards so that people can know exactly what they are being judged on.

I don't think we should eliminate those who have won in the past though. Cuz Skywalker won cleanest stock one year, but he might not be stock this year so he deserves a chance to compete (he's the first that came to mind).

+1.

I DEFINITELY like this idea.

[Crispy]

I mean you can even use the NCCA's rule book. You can have people place their car in a category and the whole shabang, must like other shows. YOu can even raise the price of Auto-x, drag (if there is any) and other events to cover trophy cost in those events.

I can bring a NCCA Judge if you want

[EternalOne]

screw it.. if there is going to be this much drama even from the committee members then ax the trophies...

had I known someone was going to pout or piss and moan almost a YEAR later I would have just re-gifted my trophy to them.

Give me a break. I was *****ing about the judging in general, from FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE. I helped judge the Mild category, and I saw how it was done, and after judging many car shows in the past I can tell you the judging was FLAWED. In NO way was I inferring that I should have won, Chris, as I said I could care less after having a garage full of trophies. (Which is the exact reason that I DON'T show my car.)

You can say what you want, but after seeing some of the cars that were thrown into various categories I knew things were screwy. Then to see some of the winners (vs other cars on in the parking lot) I knew that the judges had absolutely no idea what they were looking for.

Call it what you will, but all it ended up being was a "pick a pretty car" vs a judged car show. Kinda ironic coming from the girl who attends a ton of shows -- you should have been the first one to point out the flaws, and considering you were on the committee I would have expected you to want it fixed. Guess as long as you win you don't care, eh?

E1

[tnkgurl]

ENOUGH! Take the egos elsewhere. You too, Crispy. This is out of control and should NOT be what the spirit of Fest is all about.

Take it elsewhere.

As for the rest of the people reading this thread, I am looking for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism about how this can be judged. If we need to bring outside judges in, I'm willing to look at that.

[Nafunu32]

When I made my comment about putting the money towards hotel costs, I wasn't sure how much you guys paid for the trophies. If its just a couple of hundred dollars go for it. But like was said earlier, just have different classes. That way the people who don't have tens of thousands of dollars can still at least have a chance.

[COOGAH]

i will auction off my services for one night for a woman to do anything she wants with me. this way we will definitely be able to afford one certificate.

i say we do a little bit of everything. do what matt said with 3 cougar "experts" and the structured judging cards, have peer judging, and then have some random people. have the expert judging count for 40%, the peer for 30% and the other 30% to the random people. maybe it can be weighted differently, just throwing in my proverbial 2 pennies.

let me just say that normally i wouldn't care about winning either, its just that i have never entered a car show, so for me i do care *cough*wink*hint*hint*matt*john*cough* oh boy excuse me, i must be coming down with something

[ND4SPD]

lol... and this boys and girls, is why there can't be trophies of any kind :tongue:


Sami, if you won something infront of all your cougar buddies, it would be awesome... no question.
Not much would make me more proud, after knowing you for so long! You've been a perfect friend and stuff... and you were right there for me at CF2K4! :)
but seeing Crispy and John snap at each other like that kinda scares me.

It just sucks that not everyone can be happy :(

[Crispy]

Actually John, I never planned on getting a trophy -- infact I never even cleaned the car or opened it up so it could be judged.. it was parked off on the side with thoughts that it was going to NOT be included. I was too busy nor did I care about who was getting judged or how..

Again, I say ax trophies.. your never going to make everyone happy... people are complaining about it now and I'm sure anyone at CF 2004 can remember when RacerX had a meltdown and basically threw his trophy on the floor because he didn't get the Best of Show trophy.

Seriously with the owner age decreasing and decreasing your just setting yourself up for a nightmare and I'm not interested in any part of it.

The only way people are going to be happy is if you walk into Fest with 50 or more trophies to hand out.

Save the money and throw it into something cool to throw into the goodie bag that everyone can have.

[EternalOne]

Sorry about that Chris, I just had a VERY bad week, and last nite things got a little worse -- and I took it out on you. I am sorry about that. Brad and Ron know whats going on with my family, so if I'm a bit *****y the next few weeks, just ignore me. =)

E1

[Crispy]

it's cool John - no hard feelings. :)

[theandysho]

I like the idea of trophies and all, but my budget for finally getting to CF this year is so tight I'll be coasting into the parking lot on fumes if I don't seriously start winning or earning some cash. The Fairlane is practically raping my bank account right now to get it done for summer. I'll be at CF, but I know I won't win anything unless I did drive the Fairlane the whole way to Indy and showed that. My coog's a daily fun car, that's it. We should have some trophies for best in show, most power, fast times and whatnot, but "cleanest stock Cougar"? I'm sure the admins, mods and vets can agree to weed out a few catagories we don't really need.

[tnkgurl]

The shows at Fest are Cougar-only entries. Other cars can take part in some of the activities, SPL, Dyno, drag, etc, but only Cougars are eligible for trophies. There is no cash for any of the awards. :)

[ov3n]

there should be a trophy for best car of a former owner. ha! jk. there should be no stupid trophies. nor should there be any smart trophies.

trophies should be banned.
except for trophy wives and trophy gfs. those are ok.
look but dont touch!
unless you're given permission k?

but vehicular trohpies, no. k?

[ND4SPD]

and I'm sure anyone at CF 2004 can remember when RacerX had a meltdown and basically threw his trophy on the floor because he didn't get the Best of Show trophy.

...I'm sorry to hear that... :(

[KurtsKougar]

What did he win, that he couldnt stand.
I like your car better anyways matt ;)

[racerx]

bring on the NCCA judge if trophies are a must, I know where I am to the letter there. I am sure for a fee we can get Andy, Rey, Frank, and maybe Neil Tjin there.

[Rikenbomb]

First of all Crispy to bring up RacerX's name like that is just plain disrespectful. Quite frankly I would expect more from a comittee member. I think you're cool and I have nothing against you, but that's pretty low to bring that up (name specifically) IMESFHO.

Second in his defense, he wasn't upset at Matt at all. He was upset at the way judging was. Curb appeal judging is for people's choice. Not to mention some of the judges were persuaded by a NECO member.

[ND4SPD]

Either way... i find this to be a very uncomfortable topic.
Brian is my craaazy american buddy, and I dont want anything to change that :) I missed him last year, and regardless... I hope you come out this year!

[racerx]

there is nothing wrong with you and me Matt, never has been never will be you cwazzzzyyyyyyy canadien

[ND4SPD]

hehehehe woo hoo! :biggrin:

[Rikenbomb]

Besides, who could get upset at Matt? :)

[sonza68]

I can. Damn Canadian.

[ND4SPD]

:rofl: I love you TOO Tom! :biggrin: :beer:

[sonza68]

Howdy Matt. :wave:

[theandysho]

Wow, this is getting nowhere.

[ND4SPD]

really? I thought the past 67 or so replies, proved it was kinda obvious, that Cougarfest is far small and too closely knit of a group to have a trophy contest.
(unless something is worked out)

[sonza68]

Tropheys are the devil and they make NECO members cry.