Knock...Knock...Bang!!!

[dank13]

So the cougar is temporarily, or maybe permanently, off of the road.

I was driving down 83 to merge onto 81 when my engine started knocking. Of course, I was stuck in traffic and couldn't pull off. So this knocking starts getting louder and louder and I'm thinking WTF?! Mind you I had been driving the speed limit and have hardly been pushing the cougar recently. So we merge onto 81 south and I'm trying to get over when all of a sudden...BANG. White smoke comes pouring out the back of my car so thick I can't see the cars behind me anymore. The car starts bucking and shaking real bad and I finally see a hole in the traffic to pull off. As soon as I get off the side of the road the whole car dies and fills with this rancid smoke. I jump out, swearing my head off, and pop the hood. Looking at the ground in front of my car and trailing back onto the highway was every ounce of oil that was in the engine!

So the cougar is now sitting in my driveway dead as a doornail. So I figure now is the best opportunity I will have to do either a 3-liter or SVT swap.

If anyone has any information on a good low miles engine, I m looking to buy. Also, there will be a central PA engine swap going on sometime in the near future, so I will be looking for any help that may be available.

Also, if anyone has a beater car for sale, I am in the market for one.

Poor, poor cougar.


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[IH8CIVX]

wow, i guess Dan is still around.
j/k. Man that sucks to hear. What actually happend? Will the insurance company help out at all? Try calling up to Aumillers in Halifax, they had a few 3L's when i called up there a few years ago. The engine isnt hard to find, but a good one is. As soon as you get the engine Dan ill be more then willing to help out. There are two local guys now with Yoslvr and Mond12345 getting 3L's done or have already done it, so we now have the kowledge. Just let me know whats up, im happy to hear your ok.

[dank13]

Not sure what actually happened. I took tomorrow off so i could crawl under the car and find out. For what i can figure i may have: blew out a seal, shot a rod/piston/other threw the block, busted an oil pan, or who knows what. This happened on Sunday, bit I haven't had time since then to look at it.

Ford quoted me $5,500 for a rebuilt engine or about 2g less for a salvage engine. So i am looking for a beater until i can gather everything for the 3L.

Insurance won't help at all, not even with a rental...already checked. I'll have to hit up Aumillers, anyone have their number?

-Dan

[cvsmightymouse24]

The f-ings suck man!!! Oh well just means we'll have some faster cougars in keystone now. Anyways dan here's what your looking for....
http://irv.yellowpages.com/sp/yellowpages/ypresults.jsp?t=0&v=2&s=1&q=aumillers&ci=halifax&st=PA&_requestid=1035095

[Upper90]

Adam, here's what happened....

there were a few BANGs and then even more BANGs and then a bunch of white smoke.


Dan - coun't me in to help out with the engine. I didn't get to help Lee and I am very interested in see this done. Good luck and sorry for the bad news with the cougar.

[wadespencer99]

****! ****! ****!

Sorry to hear that Dan!

If you can't find an engine in your area, I have 3 good salvage yards right by me up north here (one that is all Ford) and should have no selling you a low mileage Escape Engine...from my research, they are the best to swap.

Last I checked the price was 500.00.

If you have no way to come up here and get it, I can haul it down to you in the F150.

Swapping the full and complete 3 Liter (with LIM and UIM) will pose complications with the EGR and IMRC...if you want the full 3 Liter with the the SVT LIM and UIM, you'll need to have your heads port matched, which will take longer.

If you're really doing this, I have a set of 3 liter heads at my house...jrak123 from michigan will port and polish, and port match them to the 2.5 manifolds for 300 dollars, plus parts. He just can't do a valve job yet. If you want the ball rolling, you can have my heads, and trade me the ones off the engine you buy....this all assuming you go for the 3 liter swap.

Good luck, and let me know if I can help.

[IH8CIVX]

Its cheaper to do a 3L then to get another engine from ford. Like he said, 500-1500 for a 3L engine. I think aulmillers said 700 if i wqere to pick it up and pull it out, or 1200 and they would pull it out and id still have to pick it up.

[dank13]

Wade, Thanks for the offer. As soon as i confirm that this is the route for me, I will be taking you up on that! I just need to find out how i am going to get around in the mean time. I had to borrow my moms car for now, but that won't last for long.

i think i am also going to send out my SVT UIM out to get extrude honed if i drop that on the 3L.

Well, i am off to see what happened to my baby. hopefully i didn't damage anything else...

Oh, and i will post some pictures of the oil spill and my car on the tow later today.

[cougirllp]

Sorry to hear that!! Thank God you got off the road though! I'd offer to help, but uh, I don't know anything about engines....

[cvsmightymouse24]

Dan if you still have your stock UIM, it'll be cheaper to get that honed out and then sell your svt uim!

[wadespencer99]

The SVT TB doesn't line up the greatest to the stock one...it will work though.

Just let me know if you want me to get a price on an engine for you, but I'm 99% it will be 500.

[dank13]

Wade...depending on the mileage, for 500 i would be in for an engine. i would pay you to drag it down here too, since i have no truck. Just let me know whats out there. Thanks.


cvsmightymouse24...You just want my SVT! i do have my stock upper, but there is a bolt broken off where the the egr goes.

[wadespencer99]

He's closed now, but I think he'll be open Monday. You want an 02 Escape?

A Taurus/Sable isn't much difference from what I understand...I think the Escape has the revised oil pan, saving you 100 dollars to buy it for the Taurus/Sable engine. If you are yanking the intakes off anyway, none of those differences will matter.

PM jrak123 about doing your heads if you don't have another way of doing it. If you just want the split port matching done, I think he does that for like 150. 300 for the pnp and split port matching together. If you want to get it started before you get the engines, I'll just trade you heads and I can send mine off to him for you. Mine are from an 01 Sable.

If you have the cash, a member was selling a set of Kinger's PnP'd heads with SVT cams for a cool grand in the for sale section.

I'll let you know what I find out on Monday for a price.

[dank13]

Well, i got a chance to crawl under the cougar. It looks like a rod or something shot straight down and cracked the oil pan in a V shape. I can't really see that much of it because i couldn't jack the car up, and there is some stuff in the way to see how much damage was really done. I am considering the engine a loss and am planning on moving forward with the 3L build.

I am working on a budget to determine how much this is going to cost me.

[wadespencer99]

Found one!

It's an 01 or 02 (he's pretty sure 02 but will have to check) out of a Taurus with 30,000 miles for $450.00.

You'll have to do some checking, but if it's out of a Taurus, I think you'll need the revised oil pan and windage tray.

Anything 01 or newer will have the good oval port heads, so that's good.

[mond12345]

Yes you would need the new pick up and oil pan. Around $125 from Bill though.

[wadespencer99]

Let's say it's an 01 Taurus...anything else different? Dipstick tube?

Still need a timing cover from a 2.5 right....

What about the water pump? Timing gears/guides/chains? Have to get the large pitch ones from an SVT, right?

[mond12345]

Let's say it's an 01 Taurus...anything else different? Dipstick tube?

Still need a timing cover from a 2.5 right....

What about the water pump? Timing gears/guides/chains? Have to get the large pitch ones from an SVT, right?

You can use the Dipstick from the Taurus im pretty sure.

Yes you need the 2.5 timing cover.

Waterpump is cam driven so your ok, If using SVT cams than you need all SVT timing parts (gears/guides/chains).

[IH8CIVX]

This thread is why Keystone kicks ass. I can feel the love :)

[Upper90]

This thread is why Keystone kicks ass. I can feel the love :)

My thoughts exactly Adam!:grouphug:

[wadespencer99]

Mmm...squishy 3 liter love :rofl:

[dank13]

ok, so I've been doing lot's of reading on the 3L conversion. Hopefully someone here will know the answers, and i probably just missed them. But, can i use the timing cover from the blown 2.5 in the car now (If not damaged)? Also, how nessassary are the SVT parts. I would like to get them if it is a big difference, and i would only want to build this once. I am kind of on a budget because i would like to buy a house, but this is putting that off. Oil pan is no big deal. what else am i going to need, besides lots of beer for all who help with this?

oh, and i am planning on replacing the clutch and flywheel while it's all torn apart. and if i can part with my money, maybe a LSD.

[wadespencer99]

I'll see if I can help.

You do need a 2.5 timing cover. If yours isn't broken (and I doubt it is) you can use it.

What do you mean by SVT components? LIM/UIM/TB? If you don't have them now, you could put it together with your stock ones and upgrade to them later maybe...Especially if your primary goal is just getting an engine in the car.

Honestly, I'd try to get the SVT stuff if you can. UIM/TB/LIM and Cams. You'll get a lot more throttle response and upper end power out of them. You already have the headers. Everyone says the LSD is MANDATORY with a 3 liter swap, but I don't really understand why...it's not THAT much more power.

However, what I believe is mandatory is the upgraded oil pan and windage tray....that could very well be the reason you are going through all of this. I woud definetely add that to your shopping list.

You will need to have your heads done as well to match up to the 2.5 intake. If you want to use the 3 liter intakes you won't have to modify the heads, but you'll have issues with the IMRC and EGR, as well as hood clearance. After the heads are pulled, you'll need new head bolts (stock is fine) and new gaskets. You can probably get both of those parts from either Bill whatshisname at TeamFord, or at RockAuto with the discount coupon Crispy posts every now and then.

You could go without the SVT UIM/LIM/TB I guess, but I dunno what would happen with the cams...I imagine the computer would be looking for extra airflow that isn't there.

Is your car return (before 5/99) or returnless (after 5/99)? With the SVT cams, you'll probably need 19 lb injectors, so you'll have to find an SVT fuel rail...either from a return style SVT (98 or 99) or a returnless SVT (00) depending on your car.

I think you could then get away with an SVT ECU as opposed to a custom one from someone like ADC, but you'll need to have the PATS reflashed....not a big deal.

Of course you'll want to probably buy a new water pump, thermostat...that kind of stuff that you just don't re-use when you're putting in an engine.

I have no clue on the timing, except that you'll need large pitch timing components if you use the SVT cams (and I'm not even entirely sure that's accurate)...I'm sure Yoslv and Mond can help with that.

I know I'm rambling here, but I hope some of it makes sense.

[dank13]

OK. Well, I do have the SVT UIM/LIM/TB. I was wondering about the importantance of the SVT cams, since they are quite pricey. I do have the return style fuel rail.

So parts needed:

engine $450
Oil Pan $125
Torsen LSD $600
LSD Installation Components $110-130
Cams?
new IMRC - current one fails once in a while, especially on long trips $125
Heads PnP'ed $300+
98-99 SVT ECU
windage tray
head bolts
gaskets
random fluids
19lb injectors
SVT fuel rail
water pump $70
thermostat
SVT Clutch (Maybe Spec stage 1) $329
SVT Flywheel $100
Uprated Shift Forks $110
Motor mounts?

--and more i'm sure, please chime in, those with experience or knowledge, for anything that may be missing.

I'm thinking this is getting pretty expensive. Not quite what i wanted to get into but i want it done right once.

[wadespencer99]

There are various debates on the cams in the 3 liter section. Supposedly the SVTs are more agressive and kick it up a notch in the higher RPMs.

Don't forget to add timing parts to the list.

If you have AIM and a lot of free time, send Fordrule a message. His AIM name is josephsites42. He's online all the time and is fairly knowledgeable after he did his own build.

GrandMasterKhan is another good one. Jrak123 has been helping me out a lot too.

[mond12345]

I would stay away from the SVT ECU b/c that means u need your keys chipped to that ECU and such. It would be better to just a chip since the SVT ECU is only from a 2.5 too like our car. Your engine would run better and stronger with the right chip. I am also on during the day at AIM (jluisi86)or here. I have lots of research done on the 3L. Also Lee (yoslvr442) and I are the ones that built and installed his engine. So i have done it before. :)