engine swap

[hugocougar]

wut other engine would fit under the hood of the cougar(without major modifications)like a svt 2.0 liter motor of a focus or is there something else that would be a good motor to put into the i4 with mtx any ideas is highly appreicated

[Josh125XR]

I was thinking that too. I know of course the 2.0 VCT/Non-VCT Zetec, The SVT Zetec, 2.5L /2.5L SVT, 3.0L. All the engine swaps will need a Reprogrammed ECU for it too work but if u have a I4 a V6 Engine swap will be more expensive to convert due to having to make the V6 fit with all new Exhaust system & rerun hoses & lines for the A/c, coolant etc. So u might just want to fix up the I4 with a turbo & all new internals instead.

[hugocougar]

im talking bout the i4 svt focus motors

[Seawulf]

He said SVT Zetec which is the Focus SVT motor. There's no easy swap.

[hugocougar]

never said anything bout a easy swap i was just wondering how much modifications would be needed for the swap

[crazyoldcougar]

i think you would have to change the motor mounts for the SVT...the ones on ebay look completely different from the ones under my car...the acessories all seem to be in the same location on the engine so that shouldnt be too bad for match up with existing lines...definate going to run into ECU problems though...also wont match up to stock exhaust..but that is a realatively easy fix....

i think the SVT also comes with a 6 spd...so you will need the tranny and clutch assembly. might want to consider upgrading to 4 whl disc brakes as well. and i dont know what kinda fuel line and acessory modifications would be needed. probably upgrade fuel pump. (have to do that with a turbo anyway)

biggest bonus to a focus swap is there is a million and one bolt ons available for it..

if anyone knows more or better..then please chime...i am only going from what i have seen/ compared in wreckers, and what i have read..

[hugocougar]

so do you think it would be worth the money to do it?

[Seawulf]

Not worth the money.

A do-it-yourself turbo kit will cost as little as $1000. A Focus SVT will cost a bunch of money to do plus then you're only at stock Duratech V6 power but less TQ. You also won't get much more power turbo'd out of the Focus SVT vs a regular Zetec. The higher compression doesn't work well for FI.

I personally have always though it would be interesting to put a Focus SVT head on a regular Zetec, but nobody's done it and I don't know how easy it would be.

[crazyoldcougar]

I personally have always though it would be interesting to put a Focus SVT head on a regular Zetec, but nobody's done it and I don't know how easy it would be.
i have been looking but to no avail....i cant even find cams.

i was hoping the 2.3 head would fit but apparently it doesnt...looks the same but wont fit..or so i was told..i figured if the 2.5 guys could go to 3.0 why couldnt we too...problem lyies in we are zetec and the 2.3 is a duratec

[Nemesis]

wut other engine would fit under the hood of the cougar(without major modifications)like a svt 2.0 liter motor of a focus or is there something else that would be a good motor to put into the i4 with mtx any ideas is highly appreicated


Ive got a 4AGE motor in mine, came straight out of an AE86 and bolts straight up to an MTX-75.


Also, search for a vulcan motor swap, those motors a awesome.

[mosoblkcougar]

I personally have always though it would be interesting to put a Focus SVT head on a regular Zetec, but nobody's done it and I don't know how easy it would be.
I thought that CincySR over at TeamZX2.com swapped the svt head over. I know she did an svt swap, but I can't remember if it was the whole engine or just the head.

[Spakes]

Personally I would just stick with the motor you got. All I have done to my Cat is...Short RAM intake, Straight piped exhaust into duals, LSD, and Upgraded ECU and I havn't found a Cougar around here that can touch mine. I'm the only one in my county that has the I4. Everyone else has the 2.5
V6. So if you done those upgrades you would be able to walk all over a stock 2.5!

[diddy]

Personally I would just stick with the motor you got. All I have done to my Cat is...Short RAM intake, Straight piped exhaust into duals, LSD, and Upgraded ECU and I havn't found a Cougar around here that can touch mine. I'm the only one in my county that has the I4. Everyone else has the 2.5
V6. So if you done those upgrades you would be able to walk all over a stock 2.5!



when you say "around here" do you mean, around you physically, or around here as in on these boards?

[diddy]

Ive got a 4AGE motor in mine, came straight out of an AE86 and bolts straight up to an MTX-75.


Also, search for a vulcan motor swap, those motors a awesome.


yeah man, the vulcan is bada$$:bowdown:

[steel man]

Has Anyone Checked To See Of The V8 Fwd Motor That Comes Out Of A Cadillac Will Fit Our Cars Or How Hard It Will Be To Make It Fit?

[BigBalledOX]

Has Anyone Checked To See Of The V8 Fwd Motor That Comes Out Of A Cadillac Will Fit Our Cars Or How Hard It Will Be To Make It Fit?

Holy christ you're spreading!

NO, NO ONE HAS LOOKED. STOP ASKING!

[XplosivePlushToy]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hardrive]

Holy christ you're spreading!

NO, NO ONE HAS LOOKED. STOP ASKING!


Besides, why look for a caddy motor? Lincoln would be much better.:crazy:

[LostRacer]

yeah man, the vulcan is bada$$:bowdown:

I have one in my villager :flushed:

[Spakes]

when you say "around here" do you mean, around you physically, or around here as in on these boards?


No in my county. Sorry I didn't specify that. There would be no way in hell I could beat a built
3L Turbo.

[diddy]

No in my county. Sorry I didn't specify that. There would be no way in hell I could beat a built
3L Turbo.



:rofl: gotcha. I was kinda wonderin about that one. lol

[Davillin]

How expensive is it to get a reprogrammed ECU?.....would it work if you just got an original ecu out of the svt focus

[diddy]

what do you have done to your car?

[Spakes]

I use to work at a shop called "Custom Import Designs" and we had all the **** to program your ECU. I just had someone help me that knew what they where doing.

[Davillin]

what do you have done to your car?

Nothing that would require a reprogammed ECU..I was just wondering how hard/expensive it would really be to have it done since that was one of the biggest problems mentioned for doing an SVT swap......along with the exhaust and transmition

[diddy]

well you can have a chip made for like 300, but like u pointed out, you have nothing that would need it. personally, i would just go tiwh an SAFCII and tuning. thats all u need. and u can just retune it.

[jwheels54]

I was thinking that too. I know of course the 2.0 VCT/Non-VCT Zetec, The SVT Zetec, 2.5L /2.5L SVT, 3.0L. All the engine swaps will need a Reprogrammed ECU for it too work but if u have a I4 a V6 Engine swap will be more expensive to convert due to having to make the V6 fit with all new Exhaust system & rerun hoses & lines for the A/c, coolant etc. So u might just want to fix up the I4 with a turbo & all new internals instead.


agreed best bet is to build the motor you have 2.0 plat form is better than any other fwd platform for the cougar start with internals swap the head and then boost it

[diddy]

agreed best bet is to build the motor you have 2.0 plat form is better than any other fwd platform for the cougar start with internals swap the head and then boost it


exactly what I have been saying for the past couple years:rofl:

[jwheels54]

displacement isnt everything

[diddy]

displacement isnt everything


true, but displacement is cheaper to make fast

[jwheels54]

not in the cougars case the few mods that there are for the v6 are ok but not that great then you have space issues there is no room under the hood i know i had one plus that 2.5v6 not much more displacement then the 2.0 and is a lot heavier the 4 bangers that are in these cars are relatively easy to make fast just gotta no what direction to go in

[Josh125XR]

Yea when the car is paid off I'm going to bore out the engine. New stronger internals. Port & Polish the shyt. I wanna see how much power I can get out of all motor before installing any Supercharger system. I can't wait to get the money for the stage 2 clutch & then getting it dyno'd. Laugh if you want but I'm thinking around 145-155hp.

[diddy]

Yea when the car is paid off I'm going to bore out the engine. New stronger internals. Port & Polish the shyt. I wanna see how much power I can get out of all motor before installing any Supercharger system. I can't wait to get the money for the stage 2 clutch & then getting it dyno'd. Laugh if you want but I'm thinking around 145-155hp.


dude, screw N/A:rofl: just turbo that b!tch or run some nitrous

[cougarprophet]

u could look into the cosworth block ....bore it to 86mm(which is possible with it, as well it can handle high boost).....then get the crower stroker kit with a f/i compression ratio that would give u a 2.3L then u could do the camshafts race ones from zxtuner ect....... and u could make good numbers..

it costs alot more but if u rip the engine out and replace the majority of the moving parts with preformance ones u would be suprised at how well it would problably do....hell there are some 500hp zetec(with f/i)

[diddy]

oh yeah, the zetec has some amazing potential no doubt. the thing is, is that there are a lot more focii drivers than i4 cougar drivers who want to mod their cars, which is why we only have like 4 members with a turbocharger, and on the focus forums there are quite a bit.

[cougarprophet]

since this is talking about engine swaps i'll post the list of costs to convert a zetec cougar to the 3.0L..its rough and rounded up but is close to what it would cost...

things that need to be changed
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- transmition
- radiator(plus all plumbing)
- wiring harness
- random plumbing
- subframe
- engine mounts
- tb cable ( possibly)


3.0L options
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engine - 2000
headers - 700
intake - 140
tuning - 600
random parts - 700
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sub total - 4140



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+ extras (not needed)
---------------------------------

supercharger (tk) - 2095
svt parts - 700
pnp head - 900
---------------------------------
subtotal - 3700
---------------------------------
total -7840

[jwheels54]

I had my motor sent to Massive Speed systems to have it built and im expecting 450hp but if your wanting to see how much power you can make with all motor don't buy forced induction if you put high compression pistons in to up the na power then when you run it with boost you will see it go boom. if you want to make an easy 500hp build an all motor car you can pull about 250-260hp all motor then with your forged internals put an nos pro direct port kit on the car and you run as high as a 300 shot on it easy 500hp

[cougarprophet]

I had my motor sent to Massive Speed systems to have it built and im expecting 450hp but if your wanting to see how much power you can make with all motor don't buy forced induction if you put high compression pistons in to up the na power then when you run it with boost you will see it go boom. if you want to make an easy 500hp build an all motor car you can pull about 250-260hp all motor then with your forged internals put an nos pro direct port kit on the car and you run as high as a 300 shot on it easy 500hp

how much is it going to cost u to send ur engine to them? if u dont mind me asking...i like some of the stuff they offer like the pnp heads the cgi block

and 300 shot of nitress would be insanely hard on the engine in the long run, a t/c or s/c would be easier and with a well built engine u dould run high boost on it and get close to those numbers....but hey anything over 340whp is wasted...just ask danG

[jwheels54]

yes 300 shot would be hard on it in the long run but the beautiful thing about n2o can change those jets but he was talking about seeing how much he could pull from the motor N/A and if he wants to make any power what so ever then you have to run higher compression pistons and high compression with boost don't mix however n2o does but you will beat a lot of cars running 250 or 260hp na without ever touching the nitrous. A built motor will handle a 300 shot for a long time if you don't just sit there and hit it and hit it and hit it for every race or pass that you do. keep some 100shot jets in for the most part and if you take it to the track to see what you can pull put the 300 jets in nos recommends running race gas and forged internals with the 300 shot but if you have a built motor get a xcal 2 and run a tune for the 300 shot with RACE GAS ONLY you should be fine. also direct port kits are more efficiant and safer.

As for my motor im looking at about 2500-3500 to have it built but you gotta take into consideration everything im having done i have a full race blueprint and lots of porting done plus i spent another 1900 on my transmission with them. Karl is great he will honestly do you right and take care of you when it comes to these zetec motors he knows his stuff. he is planning on doing a 2.0 stang right now and instead of using a motor from a focus he is actually using the 2.0 from your cars out of a contour. he done some fabing and i think swaped the head on it and has a huge turbo on it its not in the car yet but it will be sick. Im actually getting to race for him next year in the focus challenge in the svt class no crap guys Massive knows these motors real well and if you want to make some serious power i would suggest getting in touch with them.

here is a pick of my motor being built at massive
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/jwheels54/IMGA0228.jpg

[Clutch]

drop a small block ford motor with a carburetor and convert to RWD=$3-4000. If you do it yourself.

[cougarprophet]

^ no effence but it would cost alot more to do that then to do the zetec up
theres a reason no one does a rwd conversion...$$$$$$$

and if u do the zetec right u can make 300 hp np.....

[jwheels54]

agreed if you were to do rwd conversion best route would be to get a donor 5.0 fox

[diddy]

or here is a novel idea if you want a rwd car...........
































buy a rwd car.........