I'm gonna get a 3L

[Tygerr]

True story. My father/brother just finished up yesterday dropping the rebuilt 3.0 into my brothers 91 ranger, got it up and running better then ever. My dad's working on building up a 3.1 right now for the grand prix for when that sucker goes out (over 200k odd miles). So! It's just more of a matter of when my engine poops out, or maybe when I graduate i'll buy a beater, something bad ass like a mach 1.. ha ha, beater. Anyway, just thought that was cool, I have the tools/place, i just need the money/time.

[JAMallott]

nice!! dibs on your headers!!

[Tygerr]

pffft... i can still use the headers aaron. As a matter of fact, i gotta take those *****es back off and powdercoat em before they rust to nothing. :tongue: I think it'll just be a svt hybrid.

[gyger]

pffft... i can still use the headers aaron. As a matter of fact, i gotta take those *****es back off and powdercoat em before they rust to nothing. :tongue: I think it'll just be a svt hybrid.

Yup the 3L will match right up with the coug headers
That sounds cool about the 3L build up man!

[Tygerr]

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Me happy! I'm looking for a new job, 8.50/hr just isn't cutting it.

[Sled]

Time-out. Question- This 3.0 youre gonna drop in...it wont be the same kind you dropped into the ranger will it? Maybe Im an azz for mentioning it but 3.0 Duratech and 3.0 Vulcan are two totally different things. I got the 3.0 Vulcan in my ranger and believe me- you would not want it in a cougar...nor would it fit actually. Was the ranger swap a duratech? if that's the case then sweet cuz the duratech is infinitely better than the old school ranger motor. Im just tryin to figure out which 3.0 V6 is going into which vehicle.

[Tygerr]

Ha ha. The 3.0 that's in the Ranger is the exact motor that was in it before, I'm assuming it was the Vulcan you speak of (it's a 91 5 speed.) The motor that's going into my car is going to be a 3.0 Duratech, preferably a 01+. I'm just needing to roundup more info, and I'm quite troubled finding this how-to I think I've heard of. No where on this forum have I been able to find exactly what needs to be done to do a full swap. This is my knowledge so far.

Hybrid uses 3L block and the 2.5 Heads... nuff said. Everything mates up and they're happy, though I see most people P&P the heads, not sure if this needs to be done. It's never stated.

Full 3L uses 3L block, heads... using the svt cams would make it a hybrid? (you'd need the 2.5 timing components to use these)

Only a few customizations are needed to use the 3L heads:
-egr customization
-oval port heads (to match manifolds)
-shave part of block to mate alternator
-custom mount or shave something to use previous engine mount
-filling in oil feed holes or something in the block?

If anyone has help, a how-to that i can't find, or whatever. Thanks for the good intentions though Slade :tongue:

[Pyro81]

Lots of reading is in your near future...

"though I see most people P&P the heads, not sure if this needs to be done. It's never stated."
You don't have to P&P the heads. People do it to make the heads more breatheable. Meaning the air will flow through them better. It's nothing more than a horsepower gain.

"Full 3L uses 3L block, heads... using the svt cams would make it a hybrid?"
No, a full 3L with svt cams is just a 3L with svt cams. The 2.5L heads mated to the 3L block is what makes it a hybrid regardless of what cams are used.

Only a few customizations are needed to use the 3L heads:
-egr customization - Only needed if your using the 3L UIM.
-oval port heads (to match manifolds) - Only needed if your using the 2.5L LIM/UIM.
-shave part of block to mate alternator - I believe this is true.
-custom mount or shave something to use previous engine mount - I don't recall reading anything about the mounts. You just need the mount from the front of your stock engine if there isn't one on the 3L.
-filling in oil feed holes or something in the block? - Only needs to be done if your going the hybrid route.

[Tygerr]

Sweet. Thanks Brian. So that's it? That's nothing! I can do that. So why would anyone want to build a hybrid when a 3L in my eyes seems obviously the better route to go both money and performance wise?

That seems too simple for some reason. So what's the "lots of reading is in your future dealio?" Let me try and list everything that needs done. I'm sorry, i just feel like i'm missing something and from all the threads i've read through it seems that's all there is to it.

-Get 3L
-Swap svt cams and timing components, #19 injectors (bit more aggressive cam for more performance)
-Port heads
-Customize alternator mount
-Drop ***** in
-Get a chip
-Vroom vroom?

[B3NN3TT]

You gonna use your auto tranny as well?

[gyger]

Sweet. Thanks Brian. So that's it? That's nothing! I can do that. So why would anyone want to build a hybrid when a 3L in my eyes seems obviously the better route to go both money and performance wise?

That seems too simple for some reason. So what's the "lots of reading is in your future dealio?" Let me try and list everything that needs done. I'm sorry, i just feel like i'm missing something and from all the threads i've read through it seems that's all there is to it.

-Get 3L
-Swap svt cams and timing components, #19 injectors (bit more aggressive cam for more performance)
-Port heads
-Customize alternator mount
-Drop ***** in
-Get a chip
-Vroom vroom?

Aren't most of the 3L using 24lb injectors made for the 3L?
How far off are the oval ports to the circular?
My plan if I ever come back to messing around with the Cougar is
a 3L swap with 2.5L heads so the top of the engine looks like a 2.5L
and all my bolt-ons with transfer over nicely along with my nitrous and
S-AFCII. So instead of 226hp it would be like 256 with 268TQ:biggrin:

[Tygerr]

Andy. Yes, I'll keep the auto-tradgic till it dies. ;) I'm going to think of it as another bolt on. Upgraded block/heads. Lol.

Mike! You can do that! I was confused all the same though. You CAN use the 3L heads and your svt manifolds. You just need to port the 3L 'oval' port heads over to match our 2.5's manifolds 'split' port. It's actually quite simple, i'm amazed at how many people are afraid of doing this from the threads i've read. BlackCoog's How-To (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/300644/2) Therefore, stock looking engine, but hauls balls :evil: That sounds awesome though, I'd go for it. Nitrous would be a safer bet w/ the 3L heads as well, since even though the compression is a bit higher then stock, it's still not near as high as a hybrid, and supposedly the 3L heads fixed the flaws that were in the 2.5L heads.

Also, I'm not sure why people are upgrading to the st200 valve springs either, more research i suppose. It'd be nice if all this information was in a central location, rather then scattered through multiple threads and searches.

[Pyro81]

The st200 valve springs are a stronger spring. Helps to close the valves faster and decreases the chance of valve float during higher rpms.

[Pyro81]

Andy. Yes, I'll keep the auto-tradgic till it dies. ;)

Lol, that might happen sooner than you think. I don't know of anybody that's got an 3L ATX that isn't having problems with the higher torque of the 3L destroying the ATX. Just do what i'll end up doing, perform a manual swap when you swap out the engines.

[Tygerr]

Not enough money, i could either do a tranny swap or an engine swap. An engine swap seems it could be cheaper and honestly seems easier. A 5speed would be nice though. My atx is already kinda jerky sometimes, i think the chip will fix that up (hopefully.) I still have that awesome bog from 70mph to about 90mph. I'm not sure if that's normal gearing or somethings wrong, but it just kinda dies right there, sticks at about 4.1k I'll have to see. Cool though, I guess it would be worth it to upgrade the valve springs.

Also, I forgot about the injector question. I'm not sure now, the 3L's come w/ the 24#'s, but people are using 19#'s because they are using the svt ecu, which i don't need and would be pointless. I just need a chip, so injectors would be a waste of money when I could just tune for the bigger injectors with the chip.

My chip is the next purchase, i'm just waiting to be paid back. I'm almost confident I'll be able to find a decently cheap block locally, then i can just slowly purchase and add parts as the income comes in. I'm seeking a new job anyway, it's about that time I should be getting prepped for graduation.