forced induction

[world-insight]

is there a Q&A section here. if not I was wondering what is exactly needed to be able to run a turbo on our 2.5. internals? completely dumb on the info thanks for yall's help

[StealthyWeasel]

its alot of work, vets. recommend no more then around 6 psi on stock internals, talk to atomic internet- hes s/c'd with stock internals I think

[DemonSVT]

A properly sized turbo. (T28 range)
An upgraded fuel system. (injectors mainly ~ 24-30lb)
A self tunable chip/flasher. (X-cal2 with software)
Very low boost or an efficient intercooler.

I left out the obvious parts needed for any turbo kit like piping, manifolds, BOV, wastegate, etc...

[jrak123]

A properly sized turbo. (T28 range)
An upgraded fuel system. (injectors mainly ~ 24-30lb)
A self tunable chip/flasher. (X-cal2 with software)
Very low boost or an efficient intercooler.

I left out the obvious parts needed for any turbo kit like piping, manifolds, BOV, wastegate, etc...
You forgot Dan g's pricetag of almost 15 g's

[world-insight]

this what I'm looking at.

XS Power T3/T04e Turbo

Specs:

Compressor: 57Trim .50AR 450+hp
Turbine: Stage III wheel .63AR
CHRA: Oil Cooled and Balanced


Intercooler

Specs: 26x6.75x2.5 with 2.5" Inlet and Outlet and mounting tabs

Monza SSQV B.O.V. with SS 2.5" tube and Mount already welded

I can pick this up for about 350 is it a waste of money

[J-Man]

xs power = ss autochrome = crap. end of story.

[world-insight]

not sure what that means

[DanG]

It means buy the Garrett and do it right... At least, I think that's what it means... :confused:

[J-Man]

xs power and ss autochrome are knock off companies. they steal others designs for everything and then produce a lower grade product and sell it for cheap.

dont expect anything from them to last very long.

[world-insight]

thanks

[DemonSVT]

You forgot Dan g's pricetag of almost 15 g's
I most definitely did not.

You can build a killer 3L turbo setup for under $5000 easily. Well if you can do all your own work.

A bare bones 3L turbo build can easily make 300-350/350 safely all day long. That's about 150 more HP and TQ then the chassis can handle anyway.

Just an intercooled turbo kit should run you about $3000-3500. Less if you can do all your own work.

[StealthyWeasel]

it all depends on how creative you can be.

homemadeturbo.com
> Turbo Projects
> Bottom - Twin M10's on a 302 CID

These guys get the car, the kit, everything for next to nothing..

[DanG]

My forged internals were to provide safety for the engine while under the boost of a T3/4. I wouldn't (personally) install a T3/4 without forged- 2.5 or 3.0L. The urge to crank up the boost would be too much for most people to resist, and boom. And I don't believe for a freakin' second that a person would go through all the trouble of building a turbo kit, install it, and not buy a boost controller.

You also forget- The shortblock nonwithstanding, I DID do my own work. The turbo kit was $5,500 at the time. A person would also need access to a welder, piping, and a lot of time to fabricate- Much more equipment and time than most of the folks here (including me) have.

Your figure is unrealistic for over 99% of the NECO (and CEG for that matter) population and should be revised. You risk getting folks' hopes up that may get stuck in a tar baby that will suck their wallets dry and then some (Instigator?)...

I most definitely did not.

You can build a killer 3L turbo setup for under $5000 easily. Well if you can do all your own work.

A bare bones 3L turbo build can easily make 300-350/350 safely all day long. That's about 150 more HP and TQ then the chassis can handle anyway.

Just an intercooled turbo kit should run you about $3000-3500. Less if you can do all your own work.

[Instigator]

My forged internals were to provide safety for the engine while under the boost of a T3/4. I wouldn't (personally) install a T3/4 without forged- 2.5 or 3.0L. The urge to crank up the boost would be too much for most people to resist, and boom. And I don't believe for a freakin' second that a person would go through all the trouble of building a turbo kit, install it, and not buy a boost controller.

You also forget- The shortblock nonwithstanding, I DID do my own work. The turbo kit was $5,500 at the time. A person would also need access to a welder, piping, and a lot of time to fabricate- Much more equipment and time than most of the folks here (including me) have.

Your figure is unrealistic for over 99% of the NECO (and CEG for that matter) population and should be revised. You risk getting folks' hopes up that may get stuck in a tar baby that will suck their wallets dry and then some (Instigator?)...


you talkin smack Dan-O:kick:

:rofl:

i coulve done without of a lot of stuff i splurged on (expensive guages/turbo accessories, racing seats, 2 longblocks, wheels/nice sticky tires, oh and those $1700 axles)

i added all that stuff into my price list. strictly performance and turbo stuff and engine build.....its under $10K

[S3c70r]

The urge to crank up the boost would be too much for most people to resist, and boom.

What about if you buy a turbo with an internal wastegate at 7psi.

http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/ <-- Cheapest price I ever seen.

[DanG]

you talkin smack Dan-O:kick:

Nope- As I've done, you should use your experience to educate other members... Good, bad, or otherwise... ;)

[Instigator]

Nope- As I've done, you should use your experience to educate other members... Good, bad, or otherwise... ;)

thats what i was gonna do!!! thanks for all your help man you been a great person for being there when i needed ya :thumbsup:

[warmonger]

My forged internals were to provide safety for the engine while under the boost of a T3/4. I wouldn't (personally) install a T3/4 without forged- 2.5 or 3.0L. The urge to crank up the boost would be too much for most people to resist, and boom. And I don't believe for a freakin' second that a person would go through all the trouble of building a turbo kit, install it, and not buy a boost controller.

You also forget- The shortblock nonwithstanding, I DID do my own work. The turbo kit was $5,500 at the time. A person would also need access to a welder, piping, and a lot of time to fabricate- Much more equipment and time than most of the folks here (including me) have.

Your figure is unrealistic for over 99% of the NECO (and CEG for that matter) population and should be revised. You risk getting folks' hopes up that may get stuck in a tar baby that will suck their wallets dry and then some (Instigator?)...


I don't know about that logic Dan.
Any man can accomplish any goal he wants if he is properly motivated. Aside from that, how much boost do you want to run?

You do know that I was putzing around town iwth 1 full Bar of boost (14.7psi) off and on don't you?
I can only imagine what the numbers are on my setup if I dyno at 1 bar.......
And I don't think that

I guess I have to boil it down and point out that while people were still waiting for their pistons and rods to be built and the security of forged internals, I have been running around already for just under 3 years with over 300 wHP.

Keyser, the test car for ADC never did blow his engine on boost levels of 12psi and more. I rode in his car after it had been turbo'd for over a year and it still felt darn good.
No one has blown a stock rod yet, not even on engines where the stock pistons have melted down from detonation due to poor tuning.
It really is all in the tuning. I'd take an a well tuned stock long-block turbo any day over every forged engine out there right now. I've only seen Suneils car put down the kind of horsepower that may warrant forged internals. So far.
Now I'm hoping yours will far surpass his, but at this point the records still stand.

BTW, what is the highest dyno'd 3L turbo out there right now? I know several have been run short of redline, but what are the highest 3L turbo numbers irregardless of factors?
I'm thinking they are still buckshots supercharged model.

(Oh BTW, I never bought a boost controller. :D I built a ball and spring controller.

[DemonSVT]

BTW, what is the highest dyno'd 3L turbo out there right now? I know several have been run short of redline, but what are the highest 3L turbo numbers irregardless of factors?
I'm thinking they are still buckshots supercharged model.

That would be Jim's cars theoretically.

364FWHP & 410FWTQ at 4700rpm.

Sunneil's car really. (401 FWHP & (IIRC) 340 FWTQ) Yes that's not a 3L though.

Rick's made ~360FWHP & low 200's for TQ. That HP was at redline. Theoretically he should be around 400 now.

So your stock 3L at 15psi would blow those out of the water for bang for the buck & also beat them for max power. At 9psi you made roughly 330/330. Even at just 12 per psi that's 415/415 at 1 bar. Theoretically of course.