Speed Limiter Removal?

[enpe]

I know the question about "how can I get rid of my speed limiter/governor" has been asked many times. I think I might have a relatively cheap answer. From what I have heard there is a speed sensor near the front left wheel, and that it is possible to remove it. By removing it I have heard of people that have been able to go over 4500rpms in 5th gear (110mph). Since the sensor cannot read how fast you are going you can go faster than what your car is limited at, but if you do this you'll have no guage (makes sense, right? hahah).

It only costs about $108 for a speedometer that reads up to 120mph at discount auto (which is probably the fastest our i4's will go anyway).

This could be a possible cheap solution to having a speed limiter, opposed to getting a chip?

[jrak123]

Please just tell me you don't live anywhere near Michigan

[james99]

whats the point of removing the speed limiter? do you race? do you have enought power to even get to the normal speed limiter? if you answer no to both of these then its pointless.

[cbman]

You could just get something that reflashes the stock Computer, like the XCalibrator2. All you would have to do is plug it into the OBD-II port. You would also be able to get engine codes and datalog with a laptop. The rev limit can be changed and the speed limiter can be removed.
haha, I sound like a salesperson.

[crazyoldcougar]

i hit the speed limiter in my car at 195KPH..plenty fast enough for me...to me it is not how to make this car faster...cause that is plenty fast like i said...it is how to make it quicker?

i am not sure but i dont think it makes sense to get a chip before having an extensive mod list that would require ECU tuning...not too sure about though i am sure someone with a little more chip and tuning insight will make a valid point though..

PS will that speedometer fit into our cluster or would it be lieka stand alone thing, mounted on your dash?

[enpe]

i hit the speed limiter in my car at 195KPH..plenty fast enough for me...to me it is not how to make this car faster...cause that is plenty fast like i said...it is how to make it quicker?

i am not sure but i dont think it makes sense to get a chip before having an extensive mod list that would require ECU tuning...not too sure about though i am sure someone with a little more chip and tuning insight will make a valid point though..

PS will that speedometer fit into our cluster or would it be lieka stand alone thing, mounted on your dash?

I found a flat digital speedometer that seems like it'd fit nicely above the stock speedo for about $150. But anyway, the problem is on the highway I like speeding when it's empty around 5am coming home from the gf's house, and it hits 105mph and it pisses me off, I'd rather have a car that cuts off because of aerodynamics. Another friend tells me that more than likely it would throw some weird codes on the computer, and maybe screw something up.

[diddy]

well just so you know, your car will stop at about 115 due to aerodynamics and a lack of power anyways. so forget about the chip until you get a decent amount of mods done. it's not worth it at all

[Seawulf]

I could of sworn my stock speedometer went to 140mph.

[james99]

i think the stock speedometer goes to 150mph. doesnt the governor kick in around 105mph unless you have the special addition cougar or whatever?

[diddy]

the rev limiter cuts it off around 110-115. with the v6, it is the same unless you have the sports package which cuts it off around 135.

[james99]

the rev limiter cuts it off around 110-115. with the v6, it is the same unless you have the sports package which cuts it off around 135.

mine usually cuts off around 65 because the car shakes so much i cant go any faster without fenders and interior panels vibrating off.:rofl:

[mond12345]

mine usually cuts off around 65 because the car shakes so much i cant go any faster without fenders and interior panels vibrating off.:rofl:

Thats really good :rolleyes:

Also the V6 with the Sports Package doesn't cut out at all. It will go till u hit red line in 5th which might take a long time but can happen! LOL

[jonnycat]

V6 w/ sport pkg should shut down at 140mph as they came with V rated tires

V6 w/o sport pkg and 15" wheels, will shut down earlier due to speed rating on tires

[mond12345]

V6 w/ sport pkg should shut down at 140mph as they came with V rated tires

V6 w/o sport pkg and 15" wheels, will shut down earlier due to speed rating on tires

The car will not stop going due to tire ratings. As a driver you should you the tires limits! :crazy:

[jonnycat]

The car will not stop going due to tire ratings. As a driver you should you the tires limits! :crazy:

Oh you are right, because I am sure Ford would make a car capable of obtaining 140mph but decided it would be funny to throw on tires that are only rated for 120mph so they could explode and then they would have another wonderful opportunity to show off their lawyers and how they perfom in court when people would are suing them over another tire fiasco.

Did you even read what I wrote?

[mond12345]

Yes i did read what you wrote, but i was just making a point that people don't care nor know there tires can only go so fast. I wasn't pointing the statement at you directly. :)

[Newcat016]

Oh you are right, because I am sure Ford would make a car capable of obtaining 140mph but decided it would be funny to throw on tires that are only rated for 120mph so they could explode and then they would have another wonderful opportunity to show off their lawyers and how they perfom in court when people would are suing them over another tire fiasco.


Basically they put the Lower rated tires, I believe the W rated tires on all I4 and Convience Model V-6's. Those tires safe speed is up to 125 MPH but to be safe a governner was installed at 115 for the V-6 Conveince models but i am not sure about I4. Probaly due to lack of power they have a much lower top speed. On the faster Sports models they fitted 16inch Z Rated tires to handle the higher speeds. Thats why the governer is set much higher on that particular model. I believe that there is one thread in here about the whole governer thing and that the sport models didn't even have one. As for the speedo thing, I never got an answer on it when I asked either. Normally the cheapest way to go is with a reflash. If you have any local dyno shops in your area they should be able to help you out with this. $50 and I had gotten rid of the speed limiter in mine at a local dyno. No expensive chips or anything. And since you have a I4, i don't even know what your top speed is. Could be 105 for all I know. What are the rpms at when you hit 105?>:confused:

[crazyoldcougar]

i had my I4 at 195 KPH and she was sitting around 4500 rpm...still had a little juice left, but i cant imagine much more...
FYI once you hit fifth gear at about 130 or so...it takes a long friggin time to get to 190...

[jonnycat]

I'm sure the 16" tires were V-rated, not Z rated

[mond12345]

Yes they are V-Rated which are up to 149 mph.

[Aeglos]

I've hit 143 in my C2, and I swear I could feel the air holding me back, and I was only at around 6000 rpms. It's restricted by aerodynamics. If you've got the power to push it back, you can go faster.

Edit: And if I wasn't a dumbass, I would've noticed that this was in the 2.0 forum... wow, way to start a new year!

[Darkhorse145]

yup your a dumb ass, but back on topic. it is a totally stupid Idea

[Aeglos]

What ^^ said. Not a good idea.

[XplosivePlushToy]

Back off topic, josh yes, you are a dumbass. Congrats on breaking 1000 posts of stupidity though :rofl:. Anyway, if you read around the V6 is drag limited to 143 MPH. Nothing mechanical or electronic holds it back (well the lack of more power on the engine does). The car is capable of 157 mph if you can get enough power out of the engine to overcome the drag coefficient.

[Newcat016]

Back off topic, josh yes, you are a dumbass. Congrats on breaking 1000 posts of stupidity though . Anyway, if you read around the V6 is drag limited to 143 MPH. Nothing mechanical or electronic holds it back (well the lack of more power on the engine does). The car is capable of 157 mph if you can get enough power out of the engine to overcome the drag coefficient.

Well then, Can you please explain to me why my V-6 Cougar topped out at 115 mph before I reflashed my ECU? There is a governer on V-6 Convience models that is set at 115mph or 4000rpm in the Automatic if you wanted to get really technical.Not sure if the Convience came with an MTX.Also, I am sorry that I don't study my tire ratings better, I failed in Firestone School.:banghead:

[Aeglos]

Yes, it was governed. The sport models aren't equipped with a limiter, hence my hitting 143.

[Newcat016]

Alright, just makin sure cause it pissed me off for months before I reflashed the ECU, now I love it when other kids cars top out and i just pass them going 140. To the originator of this thread, just reflash the ECU, not do this whole speedo swap thing that you are trying.

[james99]

To the originator of this thread,


i havent seen him on the board since he posted this.:confused:

[Drenalin]

way to go ...post start a war of wits and run!!!!!

[Logan Motorsports]

I can remove your speed limiter! And your rev limiter.....and your EGR....and the little code that goes off when you remove your cats....:biggrin:

[Newcat016]

For how much?

[Logan Motorsports]

It depends on whether you want an XCal2 or chip. The XCal2 is going to be 410 dollars, and the chip is going to be 330. If you already have a chip or XCal2 you can bring it/send it back and it's just 30 bucks to have me change it.

[arskiracer]

Not sure what kind of problems you would get from the ecu by removing the speed sensor and driving around, but if the speed sensor uses 0-5 volts like most other sensors, you could just wire in a switch connected to a resistor that would change the speed sensor's output voltage when you close the switch. That way you would be able to drive fast with the flip of a switch and you wouldn't have to worry about buying another speedometer for normal driving.

[Drenalin]

Just a dumb thought but for you to be so worried about breaking out of the limitations of your speed limiter should not your cat be able to go well beyond the limitations set forth by the device?

I don’t know about you folks but me 3rd gear holds to 92 mph before I hit the thin and I have yet to find the dead spot in 4th as the roads close up too much around here where the cops don’t hang out. that said I still didn’t ping off the rev lim in 3rd I just noticed a severe lack of go go. I pinged 2nd today at the mid 60's not sure exactly what sixty cause the road had a cross way in it and I was just about to back off due to impending traffic. but I got it to ping. Now on the early 99's built on or before may of 98 what was the speed gov set at? cause 125 in this LIL box of tin might be more than enough. It's not like me old Iroc which I was fine breaking 130's daily, I had disc's all the way around and damn wide tires. This lil box shakes too much, I have narrow rubber with drum rear brakes I don't feel comfy from 90 out. I am sure I would not feel comfy above the 125 mark on the Speedo which goes to 150 in me cat.

Don't they all read out to 145 or 150? not sure if they are fully accurate as if I remember correctly all speedos degrade in accuracy after the break out of the 90 mark to with in +/- 1.25 mph and degrade radically from there on out. Unless of course you were to go and have it sync calibrated.

[Newcat016]

The governers on all convience model v-6's is set at 115. However, the posted speed of a sport cougar was around 143 mph and was stopped only by drag limitations. There is a thread on it somewhere in the forums.

[Drenalin]

this is it I read it 6 or so posts ago.

[Newcat016]

Yeah , i mean't to say posts in the thread but I wasn't paying attention, sry. Still think the easiest thing to do is reflash the ecu

[cbman]

Logan Motorsports,
You said that you can remove the EGR.
The 2.0L VCT Zetec doesn't have EGR.

And I'm glad everyone agrees with me about flashing the ECU.
If you're going to have many mods done you're going to want it anyway.

[lbakken85]

i have the sports package and mine cuts off at like 105 or so, and thats still in 4th gear.

[crazyoldcougar]

i have had my coug at a 195kph (about 120mph) a couple times and not hit the governer..with what seemed to be plenty left in the pedal. i have hit the rev limiter once in first gear accidently, you definately should not be hitting it in 3 rd or fourth though...you guys are driving the pour little kitty far to hard...these are only four bangers people..7000 RPM is not good for them...

[Newcat016]

This shouldn't be posted in the 2.0 forum but we are still arguing about 2.5sprts top speed, as opposed to the convience model 6

[diddy]

This shouldn't be posted in the 2.0 forum but we are still arguing about 2.5sprts top speed, as opposed to the convience model 6


:blah: :slap:

[crazyoldcougar]

lol i thought this thread was based on the 2.0, you v6'ers can go suck and egg with your top speed.....:rofl:

i have to say this thread has created mass confusion amongst the members...lol

[diddy]

my car will do over 115mph :rofl:

[Newcat016]

Nononono, you got me all wrong. I was just tellin him that the top speed of 143 was acheived in a v-6, of course. Sry about that. I know it was just goin all down hill.

[Yofavcracka]

my cougar's top speed hit about 125 before i noticed i was gonna run outta road lol...Airport ahead!

[cougarprophet]

holy resurecting the dead batman!

[soldier989]

I've taken mine to 7500rpm on more than one occasion in 1st,2nd, and 3rd and never hit a limiter.

I have the stock 16" rims, but have no clue what it had one it when it was new (bought it used.) Im assuming I have the sport model, as its loaded, just with a stick.

[diddy]

7500 RPM's huh? you must hate your car...........

[scrupul0us]

::watches your alternator brushes die::

[soldier989]

It was only a couple times, and it was my dad driving who has a Mustang GT....so I couldnt control his style.

At most I take it to 5-6rpm, and that is very very rare.

And I love my car!

[diddy]

It was only a couple times, and it was my dad driving who has a Mustang GT...!

well hopefully he doesn't take his mustang GT that high either...........

[soldier989]

He redlines it, does 25ft burnouts with it.

He's a motorhead. I cant say its the smartest thing.

[diddy]

the redline on those things is like 6k rpm....oh well

[soldier989]

begins a 5,000rpm.


Back on topic!!

[diddy]

don't tell me back on topic. this topic was dead and stupid anyways. I do what I want around here. just look here and see (http://www.topoverlord.com/page.php?x=22)

[soldier989]

Uh...calm down man. I was saying that for my benefit because I kinda brought it off topic.

[diddy]

i was just messin with ya anyways. lol

[CORNBREADSQPAN]

I don't know if I have a sport package or not, but when I was test driving it I ran it up as fast as I could get it, and it NEVER quit. I started running out of road before it ran out of GO... I think I had to start backing off around 145ish... and my wife was FREAKING out! lol.

[Comando489]

i have an idea....

speed limit? or at least 5mph over?

[CORNBREADSQPAN]

It was on a closed road for testing out cars on..... so chill

[NorCalCoug]

For clarification:

2.5L V6 Sport: No speed governor- drag limited to approx 143mph (give or take depending on weather conditions, elevation, temp, etc) The car physically cannot surpass the speed rating on the tires, so they didn't bother with a limiter.
2.5L V6: Speed governed at approx 114-120mph.

[enpe]

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Basically they put the Lower rated tires, I believe the W rated tires on all I4 and Convience Model V-6's. Those tires safe speed is up to 125 MPH but to be safe a governner was installed at 115 for the V-6 Conveince models but i am not sure about I4. Probaly due to lack of power they have a much lower top speed. On the faster Sports models they fitted 16inch Z Rated tires to handle the higher speeds. Thats why the governer is set much higher on that particular model. I believe that there is one thread in here about the whole governer thing and that the sport models didn't even have one. As for the speedo thing, I never got an answer on it when I asked either. Normally the cheapest way to go is with a reflash. If you have any local dyno shops in your area they should be able to help you out with this. $50 and I had gotten rid of the speed limiter in mine at a local dyno. No expensive chips or anything. And since you have a I4, i don't even know what your top speed is. Could be 105 for all I know. What are the rpms at when you hit 105?>:confused:

My digital speedometer reading says 105mph, while my analog one says 110. So according to the digital speedo my revs at 105mph are ~4500rpms.

[mond12345]

The higher or should i say faster you go the analog speedo gets worse and worse.

[diddy]

ugh. this thread sucks