joining the ranks of the 3L community......teardown pics updated 23sep [Archive]

fordrule

09-13-2005, 03:32 AM

well my engine finally gave i have rod knock and valve ticking, she isn't smoking so she isn't completely dead. But i am not driving her.

I just placed an order for a 02 taurus 3L 32k

I have svt cams,uim,lim,tb,cable,bracket, inj

on this list of doing this engine

chevite bearings

which ones off draxas

Clevite Tri-Metal Rod Bearings for Ford 2.5L/3.0L Duratec Engines
Our Price: $50.00

Clevite Tri-Metal Main Bearings for Duratec 2.5 and 3.0 engines
Upgraded Main Bearings for Duratec Engine
Our Price: $85.00

which ones ? there is no par number on the page

i am not sure i can afford the internals at this time unless i can make a lot of money on the deployment

i know i need to also buy the 05 escape oil pan, windage tray and pu
arp bolts or just the updated ford ones?
metal impeller wp
gasket set...

another question i only see puck and mtang4life with the full 3l oval port uim and all, why isn't it more common to just swap the cams and use the oval port ? terry haines says its better to do a full 3L oval port uim and all

i hope i don't get flamed for this but when i was reading the faq its all 01 so i am assuming since i am getting a 02 it should already have all the revised pieces? I am just trying to build this engine right the first time and not have to tear it out and rebuild it again, unless I don't have the cash for the internals.

btw this coug is my only means of transportation so i am not trying to rush the project but i am praying for no hick-ups,back orders, anything since I am driving my buddies spare car a, the loaner beast......i wish i had my kitty up and running :(

DanG

09-13-2005, 12:10 PM

If your car is your only means of transportation, you're going to be down a while, especially if you've never done a 3L before. Just be prepared for that.

"which ones ? there is no par number on the page"

Both, in a perfect world. Since you probably don't want to separate the block, you'll only be able to install rod bearings.

"i know i need to also buy the 05 escape oil pan, windage tray and pu"

The YL8Z oil pan with integrated gasket, and the pickup tube for it. Bill J. knows exactly what to order.

"arp bolts or just the updated ford ones?"

Hell no- ARP isn't even really NECESSARY for F/I engines.. Save your money, get stockies- Bill knows which ones to order.

"metal impeller wp"

No, the revised plastic one will do. Metal if you want, increases parasitic drag on the engine though (not sure if it's negligible)

"gasket set..."

Bill knows what to get you.

"why isn't it more common to just swap the cams and use the oval port ?"

Because of the fabrication necessary for using the 2.5L IACV and EGR systems.

DemonSVT

09-14-2005, 01:48 AM

You can find the Clevite bearings Much cheaper elsewhere. The part numbers are on my site.

You don't need several of the things you are buying. READ the FAQs or even the current other posts.

fordrule

09-14-2005, 01:58 AM

just got the engine off the truck , on the engine stand and in the garage.......here are some pics of what i got

Ended up being a 02 Mercury Sable w/ 32K miles on it
now the process of opeing it up and seeing if anything is wrong and needs replacement.

replace the gaskets
Rod and main bearings (what do u mean seperate the block? i was going to have the block taken down to a shop and have the block honed and, crank knife edged and balenced or is that a waste with stock internals?)
bolts
YL8Z oil pan and componets
svt timing componets
have blackcoog port match my heads then kinger pnp them....
azdc chip

since it is a 02 is there anything i am missing

here are some pics what do you think
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6696/14cc.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1430/21ah.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1475/36cx1.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6670/47jl.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4339/50fd.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9589/60tt.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2702/75bv.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9233/86re.jpg

fordrule

09-14-2005, 02:52 AM

well i found this in nandalora's post awhile back

Final? Purchasing list:

??SVT Clutch/Flywheel??
SVT Radiator
Updated Shift Forks
Torsen LSD
MSDS Headers
Updated Oil Pan
Updated Oil Pick Up/Windage Tray
Gaskets (head, timing cover, valve cover)
??Head Bolt Set??
Clevite Rod Bearings
Connecting Rod Bolt Set
ST200 Valve Springs
??Valve seals and retainers??
160 degree Thermostat
Arizona Dyno Chip

Did I miss anything?............. O yea, a 2002 Ford Taurus 3.0L engine!

the tranny stuff i don't need to worry about since i have a terry haines one built. also i have a spec stage2 clutch and lightened flywheel. but i a m getting a little tired of the chatter from the clutch. so might be time to goto something different and better

fordrule

09-14-2005, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by: DemonSVT

You don't need several of the things you are buying.

which are these off your page?

4F1Z-6065-AA Head Bolts <------ since i a msending the head to blackcoog right?

F3LY-6214-A Connecting Rod Bolts <------ unless i replace the bearings right?

L8Z-6345-AA 01+ revised Main Studs <------ unless i replace the bearings right?

3M4Z-6675-BA Upgraded Oil Pan Set (2 drain back channels and better lower baffles – comes with gasket and hardware) <------- isn't this the new 05 escape one?

YL8Z-6622-BA 01+ Upgraded Windage Tray (req 01+ main studs) <-------- thought i needed the escape windage tray

YL8Z-6687-AA 01+ Upgraded Oil Pickup (req 01+ main studs) <------- and the escape oil pickup, wouldn't i need to replace those also since i want to rebuild the engine before install it. down time is down time i want this done correctly(except forged internals, just have to wait for the gforce kit)

am I confusing myself or what? please help i feal like an idiot. i read and re-read the faq and my answers weren't answered by it

nandalora

09-14-2005, 12:24 PM

The head bolts and connecting rod bolts are correct.....yes you will need to replace them
No need for new main studs, unless you replace your main bearings
For the oil pan, windage tray and pickup just go on Fordpartsonline.com and put in '05 Ford Escape and find the parts. You can also ask them about the ST200 valve springs, seats and retainers.

About separating the block, we have a 2 piece short block and the crankshaft sits between the two. So if you want to replace the main bearings (bearings that the crank rides on) you have to separate the block and assemble it with new main bolts. For an engine with stock internals, I wouldn't go through the trouble unless you see visual evidence (i.e. scatched cylinder walls) to make you think the block needs honing. Also remeber if you get the block honed, you'll need new piston rings. Needless to say, I inspected my engine after disassembly and did not need to completely tear it down. I just replaced the rod bearings, but my engine only had 5,000 miles on it. SO, take your engine apart and get it down to the block (heads off) and take some more pics.

-Nick

DanG

09-14-2005, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by: fordruleRod and main bearings (what do u mean seperate the block? i was going to have the block taken down to a shop and have the block honed and, crank knife edged and balenced or is that a waste with stock internals?)

Oh God.

What do you know about engines? What do you know about the Duratec? From all of the posts with all of the experience of all of the members who've done this, you're coming over as stuck on Day 1.

Look, I'm in a horrible mood, so forgive the intonation up front.

Have the shop replace the bearings. If they want to separate the block to replace main bearings, let them do it- You'll never be able to. If they're going to replace bearings on a used crank, they'd better be polishing it.

Honing: WHY??!! Stock internals, leave the pistons be unless there's scoring on the cylinder walls. Then you'd need new rings, additional R&R cost for re-installing rings and pistons, etc.

Knife-edge: I'm not even going to dignify that with a response. Listening to Mr. Howard recently, have we? :rolleyes:

Balance- Do it if you have the money and the shop has the equipment, but it'll cost you BIG. You'll need the 2.5L balancer (or DMD), flywheel, & pressure plate. If they want to pull the pistons for complete balance of the rotating assembly, you'll need more $$$, rings, etc as above.

They also need to remove the pilot bearing. I SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO MENTION THIS!!!

SVT Timing components: Dude, step away from the engine. It's not "SVT timing components", it's 2.5L large-pitch timing components. We're talking all four chain guides, two chains, and the crank sprocket. THIS HAS BEEN COVERED TO DEATH!!!

Remember- You asked for feedback in your post with the pics.

fordrule

09-14-2005, 03:18 PM

hopefully i get some time this weekend to start tearing into it.
i will be a pic ***** easily.

hey nick who did your heads to port match the heads to LIM?

nandalora

09-14-2005, 05:08 PM

I did the port matching myself, but if you have even the slightest doubt (which it seems like you do, cause you're asking), just send them to Blackcoog. I'm sure he'll do a great job.

joka187

09-14-2005, 08:17 PM

nice...cant wait to see it after the swap..

fordrule

09-14-2005, 08:34 PM

i work on helicopters and have done every mod on my car except building the tranny and welding up the exhaust. but coming to the motor is different, i have the shop manuals for the cougar.

my plan now is to remove the heads, send them to blackcoog......wait on kingers gb on pnp
take the block with all the bearings to a shop and have them install them

while that is going order the parts I am needing, thats what the majority of the question were aimed towards.

on
SVT Timing components: Dude, step away from the engine. It's not "SVT timing components", it's 2.5L large-pitch timing components. We're talking all four chain guides, two chains, and the crank sprocket. THIS HAS BEEN COVERED TO DEATH!!!

i have talked to blackcoog and getting his from the svt motor he is parting out.

nandalora

09-15-2005, 12:13 AM

If I were you, I'd do the rod bearing yourself. I wouldn't trust a shop to, plus it's easy especially with the shop manual.....I have it too! If you have any questions on that, just ask, I have pics too.

-Nick

DemonSVT

09-15-2005, 02:17 AM

...as nice as I'm going to get...

ALL 01+ Engines have the new windage tray, pickup and dipstick.

Fel-Pro head bolts are normally cheaper.

~~~

The rest of your answers are easy to find as they have been posted... "ad nauseam"

fordrule

09-15-2005, 11:31 PM

thanks demon . this weekend i begin the tear down , i got some extra boxes from the move and a lot of shoe tags so i can tag all the pieces i take off. all i got to do now is email bill jenkins for the parts and i am golden.

tnkgurl

09-16-2005, 11:47 AM

Just as an FYI, you can email Bill Jenkins at his new home, bjenkins@teamfordlv.com. Email works for part numbers and prices, but to actually place the order, you need to call him.

mond12345

09-16-2005, 02:15 PM

Bill Jenkins

Website: www.teamfordparts.com

Phone: 1-800-791-6436 (direct to his desk)

nandalora

09-17-2005, 12:54 AM

Dude, those prices suck! For example SVT t/b- $186.........Fordpartsonline.com- $140

www.fordpartsonline.com is much better. That's where I got a lot of my stuff.

-Nick

fordrule

09-17-2005, 09:45 PM

ur right nick
but does mr jenkins gives a discount on top of that price?

fordrule

09-17-2005, 09:56 PM

here is fordpartsonline.com

5L8Z6675AA $154.50 $0.00 $115.88
Engine - Lubrication - Oil pan
OIL PAN, Escape, Mariner, From 7/18/03 - 3.0L 2003 - 2005

teamfordparts.com
5L8Z6675AA $154.50 $0.00 $154.50
Engine - Lubrication - Oil pan
OIL PAN, Escape, Mariner, From 7/18/03 - 3.0L 2003 - 2005

nandalora

09-18-2005, 06:30 PM

It would have to be a pretty hefty discount to match FPO.com

tnkgurl

09-19-2005, 12:38 PM

The thing about Bill Jenkins is that you don't pay what you see on the internet. He usually goes below that.

Blackcoog

09-20-2005, 01:44 PM

Bill Jenkins has always beat FPO prices.

mond12345

09-20-2005, 01:49 PM

Just call the guy already and see what the price will be on the part. He will beat it....

fordrule

09-21-2005, 03:19 PM

Part Number Search Results : Mechanical Catalog
Item Number MSRP Core Price Price
5L8Z6675AA $154.50 $0.00 $111.24
Engine - Lubrication - Oil pan
OIL PAN, Escape, Mariner, From 7/18/03 - 3.0L 2003 - 2005

new pricing up

wooo wooo

nandalora

09-22-2005, 02:30 PM

Good deal, I think that's what I paid, can't remember tho. I got most of my parts from Bill too, way back when. But some things weren't in stock, so I got those from FPO, but not much. Anyway good to hear, now get that thing appart and take some pics!

fordrule

09-22-2005, 08:51 PM

in the process
should have a final list of what to order and pics of the tear down

fordrule

09-24-2005, 01:25 AM

well just finished the teardown

some scratches and cuts and blisters later I am very pleased. The cylinder walls all have the cross hatching still on the walls i have found no metal shavings any where .

next on the to-do list is the ordering of all my parts ....yeah......

removed the UIM/LIM and the harmonic balencer....getting a DMD so i should be good.
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4932/taredown17kb.jpg

timing cover removed exposing all of the SMALL pitch timing componets....all got to go since I am doing a SVT swap.....anyone need 3L timing componets 32k on it
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8955/taredown25dg.jpg

removed all of the timing componets
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3593/taredown42or.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/84/taredown38ew.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7295/timingremoved9hl.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/4311/3lcamsnotsvt9xv.jpg

sorry had too....the svt cams looks so good sitting there
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5296/svtcam9gk.jpg

heads removed......now you can see all the carbon build up on the pistons and all the cross hatching on the walls.......all she needs is a good cleaning
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3092/taredown57hq.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1138/taredown69vc.jpg

the updated oil pickup and updated windage tray....its good to buy a 02 3.0L already comes updated from ford for free....:D
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8374/updatedpickupandwindage3wl.jpg

next we have the heads...look in good shape no problems no metal shavings or anything...valves also look good except all the carbon......just in need of some good cleaning
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5497/taredown77wx.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/441/taredown84ld.jpg

azbobbybooshay10

09-24-2005, 01:56 AM

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww, thats some nasty looking carbon buildup. Hopefully its not covering any further problems. Other than that, all looks good.

stevenee

09-24-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by: azbobbybooshay10
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww, thats some nasty looking carbon buildup. Hopefully its not covering any further problems. Other than that, all looks good.

what the hell do you know about engines bobby? you can't even drive!

:biggrin:

-steve

fordrule

09-24-2005, 03:10 PM

now its just time to clean them up........rags and cleaner

Topik

09-24-2005, 05:17 PM

hehe at least you know what kind of coolant they used

NorCalCoug

09-24-2005, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by: azbobbybooshay10
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww, thats some nasty looking carbon buildup. Hopefully its not covering any further problems. Other than that, all looks good.

That's only 32k worth and even then that isn't too bad.

You should see 140k worth. :biggrin:

Looks good bro! Get that thing finished already.

GrandMasterKhan

09-25-2005, 12:57 AM

Jesus the carbon buildup! I need to tear down my 3.0 and see how it looks on the inside!

fordrule

09-25-2005, 03:29 PM

ok just dropped about ~$350 on all the fel-pro gaskets and head bolts....ouch ....wifey no likey..

next on the list is 5L8Z oil pan , SVT radiator, stant 170 thermostat, oil cooler(hopefully a svt one) and get the heads done and shipped off

wanderingmind

09-25-2005, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by: fordrule
ok just dropped about ~$350 on all the fel-pro gaskets and head bolts....ouch ....wifey no likey..:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

fordrule

09-25-2005, 08:39 PM

thanks to demon's pn list

FEL-PRO gaskets AUTOZONE
ES72159 3LHead bolt set (2 sets req)(22.99 each) 45.98
9540PT 3L left hand head gasket 41.99
9541PT 3L right hand head gasket 41.99
VS50462 2.5L Valve cover gasket set 42.99
TCS45966 3L Camshaft Rear Seal Gasket Set 12.99
TCS45967 3L Crankshaft Front Seal 19.99
SS72873-1 3L Valve Stem Seals (Viton) 38.99
MS95726 2.5L Intake Manifold Gasket Set 39.99
MS95715 Exhaust Manifold Gasket (53mm x 32mm) 9.99

KnappstamaN

09-27-2005, 09:32 PM

why clean the heads yourself, when you send them to get redone thats part of the cost, is cleaning them all up? Other than that, its looking awesome! Man i wanna see your cougar sometime.

DanG

09-27-2005, 11:53 PM

Hey- Got a question. This pic:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1138/taredown69vc.jpg

Um, yeah- So that looks like rust in the center cylinder- Right at the top... Water damage? Dirt? If water- You've got the same problem Intigator has... You're looking at boring, oversized pistons, oversized rings, and a lot of $$$... :ugh:

Otherwise the engine looks exceptionally clean... But that carbon build-up is abnormal- I don't care if it is a Duratec with our oh-so-famous PCV valve...

fordrule

09-28-2005, 02:09 AM

the car was in a junkyard , i just wiped my finger and it came off , i don't know. i'll try and get the block down to a shop so they can inspect it better than I can

fordrule

09-28-2005, 08:27 PM

UPDATE:

well just recieved the rest of the FEL-PRO gaskets and head bolts. got them all now . just got to wait for the ST200 valve springs to come in and wait for payday so i can buy the 5L8Z6675AA oilpan and the stant 170 deg thermostat, probally gonna hold off on the svt radiator for now lack of $$$. probally pick that and a sct x2 tuner next paycheck or during my next trip to the desert .

I also today dropped the heads off at a local shop with the 2.5 lim gaskets and exhaust gaskets.....they are backlogged right now and probally wont be able to start on them till next week and might take up to another week after that to get them back. The shop is going to test all the valves, guides, and seats, replace the valve springs with the st200 ones. Port match the LIM and port match and polish the exhaust port. i will post pics of the work when i get them back . the shop is back logged from all of the local dealerships take there engines to them and they are the most reccommended shop in town.....

fordrule

10-31-2005, 08:02 PM

well got my heads back and started the reassembly

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/554/heads19ef.jpg
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9326/heads21nk.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4363/assembly5ol.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8388/assembly20lz.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7268/cams2hw.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4659/oilpan0km.jpg

still waiting on a few new bolts and nuts , didn't want to go with non ford....hopefully when i get home and go on leave and hopefully get this done before thanksgiving