New Stage 1 Turbo Kit

[naynay]

Will have the first kit delivered by mid June for the 2.5L and net near 225whp(estimated at this point). Will order more if the interest is there. Price for the kit is $2900. You will get 4.5 psi and a spike of 6psi with this kit. It will NOT come with an intercooler..... you will NOT need one for under 6psi. One subject being discussed is injector size 27lbs or 32lbs. The other subject is weather the kit will come with a chip. Im pushing for a chip but i can only suggest it at this point.

If i can get 4 more buyers the kit could drop a couple hundred dollars!!!!

Also i can get excellent deals on CorkeyBell intercoolers and (Ford) chips if needed down the road to upgrade!

Thanks, Nathan

[overfiend]

you've got my intrest but a few things. will it fit atx? can i tune up the boost beyond six if i had proper saftey precautions. of course pics..dyno's and lots of detailed information. and will future stages be upgradable apon the stage 1...sorry i'm not familiar with the concept really.

[naynay]

This kit is a a smaller version to what im getting put on my car right now. Of course if you take precaustions you can do what you want with the boost. Let me call Carson and check to see if they made up their minds about the chip etc......


Thanks, Nathan

[Madcat]

Nathan, as I said earlier I m very interested. After this summe job I landed I think I can afford it, plus with me working at school that helps too. Please see what you can do about intercoolers and chips though, personally I want both, but not if the price is outrageous. Thanks bro, and I wanna get a ride in your car this summer after its finished, I m only around 2.5 hrs away. Thanks!

[PuckPuck]

well I'm disapointed to say the least.

225fwhp is not much, considering you were forcing this 3000$ turbo down our throats which will perform on par with the current 5000$ solution. The 5000$ solution comes with a chip, an intercooler and in some instances nearly 75fwhp more of output.....

just to let you know the vortech s/c solution which has been proven to work on return and returnless systems, is the same price for the same gains, but is from a far more reputable company, and requires far less work and money to install....

now what YOU are getting installed, may be something that you may want to market... this solution i don't really see taking off and wouldn't want Carson to get disapointed and not want to pursue any other kits because of the lack of orders....

[naynay]

Originally posted by: PuckPuck
well I'm disapointed to say the least.

225fwhp is not much, considering you were forcing this 3000$ turbo down our throats which will perform on par with the current 5000$ solution. The 5000$ solution comes with a chip, an intercooler and in some instances nearly 75fwhp more of output.....


1) True but......we are trying to match the import market right now so the same type of kits are going to be sold for the Cougar. Yes this wont be a screamer but my friend you have to start somewhere. The possibilities for upgrading is huge!! So you cant afford the stage two but you want some extra hp NOW this would be the one to start off with........later when money comes across you , you can always upgrade turbos, intercoolers etc.......

just to let you know the vortech s/c solution which has been proven to work on return and returnless systems, is the same price for the same gains, but is from a far more reputable company, and requires far less work and money to install....

2) If you like s/c's then get one. But you wont be seeing a huge quantity and choices to upgrade that s/c........you would with a Turbo. The skies the limit on the turbo kit!

now what YOU are getting installed, may be something that you may want to market... this solution i don't really see taking off and wouldn't want Carson to get disappointed and not want to pursue any other kits because of the lack of orders....

3) I and Carson are being cautious about mass producing anything. I definitely am going to make sure i have atleast two kits on inventory so no one has to wait for their kit.........i hate waiting and i know alot of other people do to.

[carsnrockmusic]

who is carson??...does he post on here too??

edit:...just wondering seeing as you mention him in about every post

[Jagular]

Carson is one of the guys that runs Innovative Turbo Solutions. Oh, get this. The guy that runs MSDS headers is selling me all the header flanges for the turbo kits I'm building and he says also that you have to run stainless for a turbo set up. I guess he would know because he built a twin turbo kit on his porche in 1986 with 321 stainless he's driven it quite a bit as you could imagine, 17 years, and he has had no cracks. Just one more company that sees the header situation differently. Thats 1 to twenty, I think. Sorry for being rude.

[carsnrockmusic]

but that's not what carson says! :tongue:

[PuckPuck]

S/C can be made to get extra boost by a few dollars alone... it's called changing the pulley and belt.

anyhow i guess my only real argument is that you have been saying for a while the SF kit (or equivalent) can be had for 3000$ but for 3000$ with this stage 1 kit you are getting something much less.... perhaps the ITS stage 2 or 3 kit will match the output of the SF kit, however at what price tag?

[naynay]

I guess its all about ones opinion....thats ok. Give me a bit and hopefully i can pry Carson (owner) from my car to explain in detail about stainless....and how it cracks. The part owner of Itsturbo has a mint GNX and has less than 15,000 miles on it and guess what.....his stainless header is cracked. Granted thats only one car but, stainless cracks....period.

The prices of these kits are not in stone.....but as of right now those are the prices i have.

[naynay]

Originally posted by: Madcat
Nathan, as I said earlier I m very interested. After this summe job I landed I think I can afford it, plus with me working at school that helps too. Please see what you can do about intercoolers and chips though, personally I want both, but not if the price is outrageous. Thanks bro, and I wanna get a ride in your car this summer after its finished, I m only around 2.5 hrs away. Thanks!






This is the stage 1 kit.....the one you were wanting is the one thats being put in my car right now. That kit(stage 2) comes with a intercooler and chip and 42lbs injectors.
Of course your getting a ride.....along with about two dozen others

:biggrin:

[Dustyn]

I can name about three or four companys that use mild steel. One big one CARTECH. Ever heard of them?

[OSUStallion]

mild steel is a very different material than stainless.

[Jagular]

I had a customer that brought a mustang over to my shop that had a cartech turbo kit on his car. He said that the car was losing power the more he drove it. The turbo kit had been on his car about 10,000 miles. We chated for about an hour and then we went out to take a look at his car and see if we could find out what was going on. We looked aroud and saw some black exhaust suit on one of the header tubes. So I grabed a hold of the tube and crushed it in my hand. The point is that heat above 1200F actually draws the carbon from mild steel. You can slow this process by jet hot coating it, but it will still happen. I got this directly from one of my Mechanical Engineering text books from my materials class. You say that stainless cracks, yes it does, if you use the wrong stainless and ifyou try to MIG weld it, it will crack. On the other hand it will not erode like mild steel will.

[Kaiser]

The carbon from mild turns into fire balls and shoots through the turbo. As long as you don't have too much weight at the end of the pipe, it's TIG welded with 308 rod, stainless will not crack. It's when it's treated as a diving board that there are issues. Big companies like 'cartech' also carry stainless kits out of 321 stainless.

[naynay]

We offer stainless.....but its a upgrade that we really dont want to do. But its all up to the customer request....the customer is allways right.:biggrin:

[Faboo]

Originally posted by: naynay
We offer stainless.....but its a upgrade that we really dont want to do. But its all up to the customer request....the customer is allways right.:biggrin:


I deserve a turbo kit for free!!!!!!!!!!

Customer Service:bowdown:

[TheGreatOne]

I agree with everything you say EXCEPT vortec being reputable. Sure they're a big company but the failure rate of their SC for the Duratec is astounding. Those whose SC/jackshaft hasn't broken yet don't drive their car regularly. And the kit is no longer in production either.


Originally posted by: PuckPuck
well I'm disapointed to say the least.

225fwhp is not much, considering you were forcing this 3000$ turbo down our throats which will perform on par with the current 5000$ solution. The 5000$ solution comes with a chip, an intercooler and in some instances nearly 75fwhp more of output.....

just to let you know the vortech s/c solution which has been proven to work on return and returnless systems, is the same price for the same gains, but is from a far more reputable company, and requires far less work and money to install....

now what YOU are getting installed, may be something that you may want to market... this solution i don't really see taking off and wouldn't want Carson to get disapointed and not want to pursue any other kits because of the lack of orders....

[PuckPuck]

Originally posted by: TheGreatOne
I agree with everything you say EXCEPT vortec being reputable. Sure they're a big company but the failure rate of their SC for the Duratec is astounding. Those whose SC/jackshaft hasn't broken yet don't drive their car regularly. And the kit is no longer in production either.


Originally posted by: PuckPuck
well I'm disapointed to say the least.

225fwhp is not much, considering you were forcing this 3000$ turbo down our throats which will perform on par with the current 5000$ solution. The 5000$ solution comes with a chip, an intercooler and in some instances nearly 75fwhp more of output.....

just to let you know the vortech s/c solution which has been proven to work on return and returnless systems, is the same price for the same gains, but is from a far more reputable company, and requires far less work and money to install....

now what YOU are getting installed, may be something that you may want to market... this solution i don't really see taking off and wouldn't want Carson to get disapointed and not want to pursue any other kits because of the lack of orders....


Hello... please share your crack with me, cause you be smokin some good ****.

Over a year ago, vortech fixed the jackshaft issue and has since sold numerous kits WITHOUT A SINGLE FAILURE reported on this or the CEG message boards. Every single customer who bought an older faulty unit was taken care of by means of refund or new unit.

And I'm sure Vortech can't be that reputable of a company, after all they only sell more superchargers than anyone else, offer more applications than anyone else, and have been heralded by every single automotive review magazine as a viable option for supercharged applications.

[SageCougar]

Originally posted by: PuckPuck<br

Hello... please share your crack with me, cause you be smokin some good ****.

Over a year ago, vortech fixed the jackshaft issue and has since sold numerous kits WITHOUT A SINGLE FAILURE reported on this or the CEG message boards. Every single customer who bought an older faulty unit was taken care of by means of refund or new unit.

And I'm sure Vortech can't be that reputable of a company, after all they only sell more superchargers than anyone else, offer more applications than anyone else, and have been heralded by every single automotive review magazine as a viable option for supercharged applications.



all i gotta say is....ouch:) don't be so truthful and right all the time puckpuck lol:)

[Russell]

im kinda interested in this, will it fit my ATX (i got a contour) also, when must it be paid off?

[naynay]

I think for now he would need the car. Would have to do some measuring.

[TheGreatOne]

How often do you check the CEG? There have been failure's of the new revised jackshaft. Mark Rowe (WorldTour) just has the 3rd one go IIRC...this was right after he sold his car. Seems The jackshaft is not centered properly FROM THE FACTORY and that's what's causing them to strip the teeth off the jackshaft/and or damage the seals. Even the new shafts have this problem...hardened teeth or not. A guy by the name of KnuKonceptz has come up with his own solution to the problem hya (http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=turbo&Number=256308&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=all&fpart=1), It will cost an extra couple hundred. And again, I repeat, the kit is no longer in production. with all the problems the vortec has has over the years...and the fact that by the time you're done buying all the extra pieces that you should have (A/F Controller, Headers, intercooler, exhaust), you're at the cost of the turbo anyway. The SF kit is just a better designed kit, and produces more power anyway. Vortec's reliability issues, fixed or not (NOT!) should never have been issues anyway. I don't care how popular they are, proper R&D was not done with their kit for the Contour. Just look at the new SVT Focus kit...everything that should have been on the Contour kit is. You want to be yanking superchargers off your car every year...that's your business...but you won't find one on my car.

Since you are so trusting of vortec, i've got some beach front property in Arizona I'll sell you real cheap ;)


Originally posted by: PuckPuck

Originally posted by: TheGreatOne
I agree with everything you say EXCEPT vortec being reputable. Sure they're a big company but the failure rate of their SC for the Duratec is astounding. Those whose SC/jackshaft hasn't broken yet don't drive their car regularly. And the kit is no longer in production either.


Originally posted by: PuckPuck
well I'm disapointed to say the least.

225fwhp is not much, considering you were forcing this 3000$ turbo down our throats which will perform on par with the current 5000$ solution. The 5000$ solution comes with a chip, an intercooler and in some instances nearly 75fwhp more of output.....

just to let you know the vortech s/c solution which has been proven to work on return and returnless systems, is the same price for the same gains, but is from a far more reputable company, and requires far less work and money to install....

now what YOU are getting installed, may be something that you may want to market... this solution i don't really see taking off and wouldn't want Carson to get disapointed and not want to pursue any other kits because of the lack of orders....


Hello... please share your crack with me, cause you be smokin some good ****.

Over a year ago, vortech fixed the jackshaft issue and has since sold numerous kits WITHOUT A SINGLE FAILURE reported on this or the CEG message boards. Every single customer who bought an older faulty unit was taken care of by means of refund or new unit.

And I'm sure Vortech can't be that reputable of a company, after all they only sell more superchargers than anyone else, offer more applications than anyone else, and have been heralded by every single automotive review magazine as a viable option for supercharged applications.

[ov3n]

Originally posted by: TheGreatOne
The SF kit is just a better designed kit, and produces more power anyway. Vortec's reliability issues, fixed or not (NOT!) should never have been issues anyway.

Well.. the street flight kit has at least three blown ENGINES (craigs and james and warmonger)... You saying you would rather blow your engine than your jackshaft?

[naynay]

Just wait....itsturbos kit will outperform SF's kit, this should be known within two weeks. Theres been so many wrong things in that kit its crazy those cars even made it 20 miles without blowing up!

Note: Wrong injectors, no inline fuel pump, wrong turbo, in our opinion we think the chip was not correct either.....hence thats why they went for the small injector size to compensate for not figuring out the eec tuning for the correct injector size(42lbs). Im sure theres more but without buying the kit and tearing it apart no telling what else is wrong!

[TheGreatOne]

Warmongers engine blew a piston ring. He had the kit hooked up with NO INTERCOOLER and was dragging the car in the ARIZONA HEAT. Upon further inspection after the teardown, he said himself it looked like a flaw in the part itself. I also believe he was running like 11.1 compression or something.


The weak point was strong enough for normal duty but not intake pressures of 7psi at 160+ degrees F.

He's since fixed his car and added an intercooler, and is now dynoing 300FWHP at 5psi. If you're gonna talk, atleast have your facts straight.

As far as the other two, i'd like to see details. Spun bearings don't count either. And FWIW WorldTours car recently spun a bearing after he sold it and now is having a 3L installed.


Originally posted by: ov3n

Originally posted by: TheGreatOne
The SF kit is just a better designed kit, and produces more power anyway. Vortec's reliability issues, fixed or not (NOT!) should never have been issues anyway.

Well.. the street flight kit has at least three blown ENGINES (craigs and james and warmonger)... You saying you would rather blow your engine than your jackshaft?

[Neutrino123]

quik question naynay?what psi are you runnning on your kit and have you done any bottom end work on your engine?

[naynay]

Mine will spike to 10psi. As of right now im looking into a strong bottom end (forged internals).