X-Type/3L/2.5-3L hybrid...?

[FastAzzCougar]

I read earlier about maybe swapping out the X-Type motor- any updates on the possibility of doing this? What would be involved and what i'd need? I know since it's AWD all the fuel stuff and exhaust etc. would need to be redone.. but anyone figured out an est. price? Thanks. Also on the 3L. swap- what would be optimal car for me to part out? being i have a 99 ATX 2.5L. Could i still use my tranny? Are all the parts listed on the 3L swap list Ford part numbers? And can any garage do the swap for me if i supply the parts? and if so- how much? I know it's dependant on shop- but rough estimates?

Also- what could i swap from my engine to make the hybrid? Is the hybrid easier or any less costly? What are the pro's and cons of Hybrid Vs. straight out swap?

I know some of the questions may be redundant or already covered- and yes i did search, but i'm not quite following this. Thanks for any help!!

[JScullin]

The only advantage I've seen on the Jag motor is the intake goes through the front as opposed to the side like ours. So if you had a Kaminari hood you could have Ram-Air by fabricating your own box to the scoop.

A while back this was talked about, but most said it wasn't worth it. You'd be better off getting the 3.0 out of a Lincoln LS or a Taurus/Sable. Someone did say the LS engine was more performance tuned.

[pgtatx]

The AWD ha snothing o do with the engine. You'd need the tranny all the axles, etc...it'd take a bunch of work building it onto the cougar. And with the Variable valve timing, you'd need ECU upgrades too if you were to use the Jag heads. '

I think the LS is a better option. It needs to some working too, to fit, but it's been done.

The 3L out of the taurus is your best and cheapest option still and with the SVT top end, and good exhaust mods, you'll be over that 200/200 that the engine produces stock, and ECU upgrades will be fine with just a good chip.

[overfiend]

i'll ask terry about the x type engine b/c he said he would do it, but no one has come to him to do it yet. i can tell you the LS is a hell of a lot harder and a LOT more expensive. in the actual ls car, the engine is situated completly different to accomodate the rwd, so a lot of fabrication has to be done. to get the engine prepared to even go into a coug/tour is around 2k. by looking at the x type it seems to resemble the placement of our engines. if it's not as complicated to prep for install as the LS...if you bought a brand spanken new x type motor you'd be looking at 230-240 hp without any mods plus all the other advantages. but you have to buy them from the UK so either way...you're gonna pay out the ass.
oh and to answer the tranny question, was far as the LS the auto will bolt right up, should also on the x type.

[Buckshot77]

The most straightforward swap is the hybrid with the stright 3L swap being not too far behind. Many people are buying the prepped shortblock and then taking that to a good mechanic and having them perform the swap itself. Since you're using a combination of parts from your own engine it makes it the most reasonable in cost. I sell the prepped shortblocks for $1500 and to have it installed with parts you're probably looking at another 2K +. The 99 and up taurus motors are the best for the hybrid and 98-99 work best for a straight swap if you're wanting to retian your stock intakes but then you've got to fab up an electric water pump setup.

Rick

[FastAzzCougar]

What's the difference between the shortblock and longblock?

[CougarBoi]

Originally posted by: FastAzzCougar
What's the difference between the shortblock and longblock?

I was asking the same question not that long time a go.
Shortblock-basick block without heads, cams ,UIM etc.........
Longblock engine ready to be instaled with all parts

[PuckPuck]

The x-type gets it's extra power from the VCT in the heads and the cams... to control it you would need to use the x-type wiring harness and ecu.... since you dont' have many of the features of the x-type the ecu would then need to be modified so that it won't crap out on you for not having thoses features....

in the end you are looking at a pretty penny.....

just go taurus 3L, and if you want more HP, buy a nitrous kit :)

[spooki]

here is a couple of 3.0's from an s-type
www.car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi
there are some 4.0 v8's in there too so look at them good.

if any-one works on cars i would book-mark that website, it good for cheap parts, and you can find anything

[exigent]

Im not 100%... but im FAIRLY sure the 3.0 in the S type is NOT a duratec. The X type has the duratec


With regard to using the LS engine.... all you need is the heads... to my knowlage they are the only diffrence. Keep in mind the LS uses a more advanced eec then ours that has a 158 pins or some junk. Either way... its more then the standard eec we have... so if you plan on using the LS eec you will need to use the LS harness.... im willing to bet the xtype also has the high end eec.... it would be a nitemere of wires and sensors you dont actually have.... in my opinion... not worth it at all unless you have a xtype fall into your hands.

[spooki]

ohhh............my bad.
that site doesnt have a listing for x-type yet

[DanN]

[i]Originally posted by: overfiend..if you bought a brand spanken new x type motor you'd be looking at 230-240 hp without any mods plus all the other advantages.

I have doubts....the X type 3.0L is rated at 231 HP BUT...it runs slower than the power would suggest. In 2 road tests (C&D, R&T) it ran about as fast as the 220 HP Quatro A4 and slower than the AWD version of the BMW 330 rated at 225 HP (personally, I think BMW engines are often UNDERRATED) ....both cars are similar weight/MTX. V6 Lincoln LS...similar story. Now, tranny gearing or power transfer differences may account for some of this but after seeing the Mazda 6 dyno (on 2 occasions) around 175 FWHP with MTX (should be about 181 FWHP with 18% loss to achieve its rated 220 HP), I am becoming skeptical of the 3.0L Duratec's real power. Even the 2.5L ...a few SVT have dynoed under 164, where they should be stock and non SVTs..generally OK at 140 FWHP.

Anyway, I would like to see some dynos on the Jag version..

But the basic 3L/2.5 SVT hybid with stock manifolds gets 190+ FWHP pretty consistantly (231+ HP) and is much cheaper...

[gamiller]

Originally posted by: exigent
Im not 100%... but im FAIRLY sure the 3.0 in the S type is NOT a duratec. The X type has the duratec.


it was my understanding that the 2.5 & 3.0 in the X-type are transverse-mounted (FWD) Duratecs, the 3.0 in the S-type was a longitudinally-mounted (RWD) Duratec like the LS, and the 4.0 in the S-type was some other animal all together.

[GrandMasterKhan]

you are correct sir