I4 cougar vs. V6 cougar

[carsnrockmusic]

yep.....raced a v6 twice tonight.....we both got mtx's.....two different drivers (to make sure it wasn't just the driver).....first time we were about even the whole way up to about 60 or so....then ran outta road fast.....second time was a good true run.....both had good starts.....i started pullin on him in second and even more in third.....got goin pretty good and redlined in third and went into fourth a good bit....in the end we were pretty much even...i mighta had a half a car on him at the very very very most.....it was a good race.....i am impressed with my I4 now more than ever.....i dunno how it happened but it did and i'm happy as all hell.....i gotta feeling this could raise a lotta questions.......i'm proud of my baby.....:)

[SquamDuck]

I'm sure your Zetec is fast, but if you beat a V6 Cougar... something is wrong with the driver. I refuse to beleive that a zetec beat a duratec with equalish drivers.

[carsnrockmusic]

Originally posted by: SquamDuck
I'm sure your Zetec is fast, but if you beat a V6 Cougar... something is wrong with the driver. I refuse to beleive that a zetec beat a duratec with equalish drivers.


i knew someone would say taht....that's what the dude's buddy said...which is why there was two different drivers...he raced me the second time.....read closer next time and don't diss I4's in the future...i've raced atx v6 cougars before and beat them by a car length or so......maybe i have a freak I4 or somethin.....i dunno.....

edit: just wanted to add this.....:)...i think it's appropriate that you posted first squamduck.....

Originally posted by: SquamDuck
James, NO! If you keep that up, the I4s might actually think they're fast!!.

i just thought this was kinda funny :)....he said this in reply to james saying they're gonna come out with a turbo kit....meanwhile some I4's can most likely take his ATX v6.....

[Afterhours]

Nice run FastZetecCougar............You make us "little" zetec owners proud......:beer:

[SquamDuck]

Just for kicks, you couldn't take my ATX :D

But seriously, I could understand MTX Zetec possibly taking a stock ATX, simply due to the fact that the ATX only lays down 130hp at the wheels and it has to go through the slushbox. But the concept that you can take a MTX is unbeleivable.

A stock I4 Cougar puts out ~107hp down at the wheels. A stock V6 Cougar puts down ~146hp at the wheels. Not to mention the 30ft/lbs difference in torque. Add in the fact that it's the exact same car, save the engine and that it weighs about the same. Now, we have the same car, simply a 39hp difference. I don't know about you, but to me, this does not add up. This race would be no different than a stock V6 racing a modded V6 which had 39 more hp. It just does not happen.

The only explanation is that someone is a bad driver, the V6 was broken or the I4 was not stock.

[carsnrockmusic]

rule out bad driver.....i was gaining on him when in gear...not shifting......we each got intakes/exhausts....the v6 could have problems....he's gonna go cehck and see if there is problems.....it's a 2002.....so i dunno.....

like i said...i got no clue how i did it.....it was pretty much even each time...i was gaining on him slightly towards the end but we ran outta road.....i've beat other cars that i was surprised i beat......so i dunno...i'm gonna try racin other cougars to see if maybe mine is just a freak of nature....

[Fastam]

its possible. i watched my buddies Zetec loose by only 1 car at. 150+km/h the V6 only pulled in 4th gear.

the Zetec had Intake and exahust. the Duratec only had exhaust.

[EatRice]

Well, I can verify this unfortunate state of affairs. I was the 2002 Manual tranny V6 with AEM intake and Borla exhaust. I definitely think his I4 is a factory freak. I have no problem ever stomping civics, V6 Mustangs, V6 Camaros, and Integras. And as you all are thinking, I do not know how to drive a stick, that is also bull****. My launch was perfect and both my shifts were perfect, but just to prove to my friend that it was not the driver, I let him have a chance. Another thing is the V6 is a lot heavier than the I4, especially mine since I have an extra 150 lbs worth of stereo equipment in the trunk and extemely heavy wheels. I am not making excuses though, it was a very close race, and if you think it is some kind of fluke than go out and race a zetec. I am sure you, too, will be unpleasantly suprised.

[cougarXR7]

What size wheels do you both have?
What mods?

I honestly think you have a freak i4 cougar...

Good races, and good driving to both.

[SquamDuck]

Well, if you actually beat him, good job FastZetec!

And for EatRice, they are about the same weight. So I'd suggest either getting a tune up, getting mods or selling your car... something is not right in the universe.

[MetallicaCougs]

There are freaky cars out there. If the other driver came on and admitted it happened, who is to cal BS?

Congrats on your car and race.

[Cyko]

Thats just crazy. Think the weight of the engine and the weight of features (leather, ect.) made the difference? Are they both geared the same?

[carsnrockmusic]

Originally posted by: cougarXR7
What size wheels do you both have?
What mods?

I honestly think you have a freak i4 cougar...

Good races, and good driving to both.


he got the oem 17's....i got the oem 16's.....and we both have about the same mods...i got a couple more perf mods....nothing big....

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Originally posted by: Cyko
Thats just crazy. Think the weight of the engine and the weight of features (leather, ect.) made the difference? Are they both geared the same?
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could be.....he also had a passenger other than him the second time.....

as far as i can tell they are geared the same....we both redlined/shifted at the same time each race and i drove his car and his redline seems about the same as mine

[TheCouga]

ya i dont think the 02 coug is running normal....but if you can stomp v6 camaros and stangs with alot more hp then a cougar with a I4 then maybe the zetec kicks duratecs ass ....but i really hope thats not true for all zetecs cuz then ill be mad :banghead:

[Cyko]

Well Physics tells you Force = Mass * Acceleration and Work (hp) = Force * Distance
So something is not right somewhere, cuz if the V6 has ~146 hp compared to the I4 ~107hp then the V6 has a greater force...and if the weight is the same....it has a greater acceleration. So maybe both of his drivers were worse, his car is screwed up, you have better mods, his tires suck, or the weights are different. Or maybe you just got an good I4...i know the I4 auto we had suuuuuccckkkkked! 0-60 13 secs.

At any rate thats pretty cool, that you can do it!

[GrandMasterKhan]

your math equation left out the fact that every +100 lbs will make you .1 seconds slower the 1/4mile.

FastZetecCougar: Congrats man. And dont let them diss you. V6s are heavier and Weight is everything.
Power can only make up for it so much.

[Sas]

I thought the V-6 engine weighed more then an I-4, so the weights of the vehicles wouldn't be that close would they?

[topgunz1]

stock for stck I think itd be close, a Swampland member ran 16.6 in his zetec with just an exhaust, a bogging launch and slipping clutch. He also hung with another members 15.2 v6 coug through first gear.

[jojolmnop]

but still, you can't hang with us v6s when we're driving up the mountains on the way to cougarfest.... right, mark (cgburns)?

[carsnrockmusic]

thanks for the compliments you guys.....

all in all i don't care about weight, gear ratios, numbers, math equations.....all that junk......i think i got a freak of nature I4....and i'm proud of it....woohoohoohahaha :evil:

[Red2KCougar]

Originally posted by: topgunz1
stock for stck I think itd be close, a Swampland member ran 16.6 in his zetec with just an exhaust, a bogging launch and slipping clutch. He also hung with another members 15.2 v6 coug through first gear.

I ran a 16.8 in my stock ATX... and am prolly down to 16.6 or so with my intake and exhaust, his times seem accurate, but that seems odd he stayed with a v6 coug through first, but whatever...

[slownfurious]

must be the clear sidemarkers;)

[chaddydaddy]

****.....does this mean that the rest of us "tidewater" guys can't make fun of our only two zetecs?.................oh wait yes we can!!!! Anyway, fastzetec good run man take care of your engine you must have a good one!
-Chad

[Furious1]

I thought the engines were near same weight, since the Zetec is iron block and the Duratec is aluminum?

Probably a weight difference overall. What do you guys each have for options? Wheels? Stereo? I've never had a problem beating a Zetec Coug.

Either way, good race, get some more mods for the Zetec and you'll be smokin V6's all day.

[topgunz1]

red2K: He hung in first because he dropped the clutch @ 4k and the v6 guy slipped at 2.5. harder launch cause less power means less wheel hop. I dropped my SVT from 3.5 K once, and will NEVER EVER do it again

[caenus]

fastzetec, just go get your car dyno'd post the results, so you can show all these people up. I don't doubt your win, but there are tons of variables, and the extra weight in the v6 was definitely in your favor.

[B3NN3TT]

Originally posted by: Sas
I thought the V-6 engine weighed more then an I-4, so the weights of the vehicles wouldn't be that close would they?

Base curb weight:

V6 MTX = 2941
V6 ATX = 3021
I4 MTX = 2829
I4 ATX = 2881

So there is a bit of a difference.

[EatRice]

Those weights are for the 1999 and 200 cougars. the curb weight on my 35th anniversary is 3200 lbs., plus like i said before, i have 150 lbs. worth of stereo equipment in the back, and another person in the car. there is nothing wrong with my car because i smoke my friends V6 mustang every night after work. and i do not know where he pulled from me in first gear came from because he was at my rear fender all the way through first and second, but when we hit third his car lunged forward, like he was spraying or something, when we both shifted to forth, my front bumper was at his sidemarker, then we both had to stop for the next light. anyway, it definitely showed me that these Zetecs are underrated. next time i will have to race to 130mph!!!

[B3NN3TT]

Oh...I didn't notice that yours was a 35A. That makes even MORE difference.

Man, by that rationale, a stock Focus could tear a Zetec Cougar a new one. Which seems so wrong, with its skinny little tires and its many doors. But it's LIGHT, by golly! Focus. :rolleyes:

But I must say, I would have an SVT Focus in a SECOND. I can't think of another domestic 4-banger that can hold a candle to it, outside of the SRT-4.

Which is kinda sad. Is that the best the U.S. can do??!

[CGburns]

Originally posted by: jojolmnop
but still, you can't hang with us v6s when we're driving up the mountains on the way to cougarfest.... right, mark (cgburns)?


oh man...see i knew i'd never live that one down...i had the AC ON DAMNIT!!...haha it was hot as all hell, and yall were goin like 90...wasn't tryin to get a damn ticket either :) ...thats all..goodbye haha
mark

[carsnrockmusic]

Originally posted by: caenus
fastzetec, just go get your car dyno'd post the results, so you can show all these people up. I don't doubt your win, but there are tons of variables, and the extra weight in the v6 was definitely in your favor.


goin sunday :biggrin:

somethin came up and i can get a membership and get it done for cheap.....go me!

[joshts0]

Originally posted by: Bennett9000
Oh...I didn't notice that yours was a 35A. That makes even MORE difference.Man, by that rationale, a stock Focus could tear a Zetec Cougar a new one. Which seems so wrong, with its skinny little tires and its many doors. But it's LIGHT, by golly! Focus. :rolleyes:But I must say, I would have an SVT Focus in a SECOND. I can't think of another domestic 4-banger that can hold a candle to it, outside of the SRT-4.Which is kinda sad. Is that the best the U.S. can do??!

I have whooped an SVT Focus before in my stock I4 Cougar...

Granted, the guy couldn't drive worth a crap.. cause I have gotten my ass
handed to me by a SVT Focus a few weeks after that.....
But it made me feel good!!

Back on track... Yeah, I believe he was able to do it cause I am suprised at many of the cars that I can beat.. and I don't know how I do it..

Either, I'm a good driver .. or PEOPLE REALLY CAN'T DRIVE!!! Or... all cars are freakishly slow.. ('cept for that 94+ 3kgt vr4 modded (pretty too w/ a kit) that whooped my ass worse then anything I have ever seen... )

[carsnrockmusic]

yeah..i've beat focus's before but they were obviously for looks and not performance...peolpe got bad taste wehn it comes to looks....damn.....

[Faboo]

Originally posted by: FastZetecCougar
yeah..i've beat focus's before but they were obviously for looks and not performance...peolpe got bad taste wehn it comes to looks....damn.....Foci....:cool: