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my buddy has rsx-s manual stock.
we raced just one time.
that was
when 1st gear, he was at my door.
when 2th gear, I smoked him.
but when 3th gear, he was flying from me.
after that I gave up.
He said when i-vtec is on, he can get much power especially, about 7000 rpm with 3th gear.
paradigm
02-01-2003, 03:55 PM
stock vs. stock an rsx-s should never lose to a cougar--assuming equal drivers, of course.
you pulled in the beginning because of the coug's torque. once your friend got into the i-vtec powerband(5800+ rpm) he had the distinct advantage in both weight and horsepower.
the disadvantage to the rsx-s is it takes alot more skill to keep it in the powerband compared to a v6 cougar....so your question of if you have a chance to win...yes, just race someone that can't drive the rsx-s properly. :)
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Furious1
02-01-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by: paradigm
....so your question of if you have a chance to win...yes, just race someone that can't drive the rsx-s properly. :)
Or get more mods ;)
Faboo
02-01-2003, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by: Furious1Or get more mods ;)
W3rd
cougarXR7
02-01-2003, 11:46 PM
You don't have a chance after third gear. You need to get your car to put down at least 30 more horse power to break even... they are fast if the person knows how to drive them.
paradigm
02-02-2003, 12:24 AM
You need to get your car to put down at least 30 more horse power to break even...
that would make horsepower equal, but not weight and gearing.
out of curiosity, what mods do you guys think would be needed on a cougar to equal an rsx-s? fastest i've seen for a stock rsx-s in the 1/4 is 14.7 (puckpuck being one of them)
Furious1
02-02-2003, 02:35 PM
An MTX with I/H/E should break even power wise but even then, if the Coug's loaded at over 3000lbs+ and the RSX-S guy can actually drive and shift the thing...good luck.
cougar can be 200HP?
I don't think it is easy.
I got intake and exhaust, but they make just +14. follow some information, and still I don't believe really.
B3NN3TT
02-02-2003, 06:13 PM
14 at the wheels is more like 20 or more at the engine. That makes 190, not far from 200. And those are minimal mods.
Get headers and an SVT top-side. Then try again.
99CouGSweetRide
02-02-2003, 06:25 PM
14 at the wheels is more like 20 or more at the engine. That makes 190, not far from 200. And those are minimal mods
this might be true, but it's what's at the wheels that counts. I don't believe that a stock coug can take a stock rsx-s, simply due to the just-a-little-over 300 lbs difference. The 23 lb-ft of torque difference may get the cougar a little ahead off the line, but after that forget it. I wouldn't be messing with an rsx-s unless i had an intake, exhaust, and a chip, then maybe it'd be a good race. Just remember, whatever money you put into the cougar, that same $$$ put into the rsx-s will still make it faster.
Mike
thank you for info about HP
so mine has about 190 HP........lol
then, I have a question.
one month ago I raced with maxima 99 atx. that was like
when 1st, I was middle of maxima
when 2th, I was behind of maxima
when 3th, I catched him
when 4th, I passed him.
maxima has 225 HP
is it makes sense? or just driver was suck?
Se7enCentz
02-02-2003, 09:00 PM
thats just hp your talking about, your not actually referring to fwhp are you? im not sure what the cougars stock fwhp is but im pretty sure its in the 140-160 range. Plus w/ I/E added your probably talking about 13+ more fwhp. Just trying to clear things up.;)
cougarXR7
02-02-2003, 09:33 PM
If you up the hp by 30, then you are also increasing torque for all intensive purposes. The torque would make up the difference between the weight. You can also knock off roughly 200 pounds off the cougar and break even weight wise as well. (stock rsx is 2800 to my knowledge.)
B3NN3TT
02-03-2003, 12:28 AM
Gear ratios figure greatly into the grand scheme as well, as shown by the Maxima scenario...
Furious1
02-03-2003, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by: Bennett9000
Gear ratios figure greatly into the grand scheme as well, as shown by the Maxima scenario...
Me and Cougarboi have taken a few 225HP Maximas because of this.
A car's speed isn't just on how much HP/TQ it has. Some other factors are gear ratio, transmission, weight and aerodynamics (high speeds).
A Cougar with I/H/E should have ~200HP at the crank. The RSX-S has 200HP at the crank. At the wheels, well, the car with the least driveline loss would put down more. On a race, all depends on overall weight (given each has 200HP), drivers, chickens crossing the road...etc.
Raben
02-03-2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by: Se7enCentz
thats just hp your talking about, your not actually referring to fwhp are you? im not sure what the cougars stock fwhp is but im pretty sure its in the 140-160 range. Plus w/ I/E added your probably talking about 13+ more fwhp. Just trying to clear things up.;)
Crank HP is rated at 160hp. I had an ATX and with just an Weapon R intake it pulled upper to mid 120s fwhp :( I've seen a MTX pulling with a the basic mods pulling upper 130s. So I would top it around 120 to 140 fwhp, depending on the tranny and being 100% stock.
cougarXR7
02-03-2003, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by: Raben
Originally posted by: Se7enCentz
thats just hp your talking about, your not actually referring to fwhp are you? im not sure what the cougars stock fwhp is but im pretty sure its in the 140-160 range. Plus w/ I/E added your probably talking about 13+ more fwhp. Just trying to clear things up.;)
Crank HP is rated at 160hp. I had an ATX and with just an Weapon R intake it pulled upper to mid 120s fwhp :( I've seen a MTX pulling with a the basic mods pulling upper 130s. So I would top it around 120 to 140 fwhp, depending on the tranny and being 100% stock.
The cougar is putting well over 130 to the ground in stock form. If it's not, then those of us wouldn't be winning races that we all are. It has to be at least around 140 - 145.
Faboo
02-03-2003, 01:17 PM
1- Is the RSX a 6-speed?????
2- Who ever posted the weight for the rsx...is that fully loaded, with all the juices...or dry wieght or whatever??
PS...uh HOYA.....are u from this country?????
hahaha!
surely, I am not from this country.. That's why I can't speak or write correctly.......
but, whatever I can understand mostly, and I can say what I mean almost.........
I have been here USA almost 17month.
I am studying still ESL..and I am Korean.
and, that was rsx-s 6speed manual stock with good driver.
but I think I had chance, when I changed second to third, RPM was around 5200.
that was my big mistake because I thought I already got him.
I had to best I can do..
last thing is this forum is good for learn English for me....kakakaka
paradigm
02-03-2003, 03:57 PM
edmunds.com says:
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RSX-S
Base Engine Size: 2 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 -1 Horsepower: 200 hp
Max Horsepower: 7400 rpm Torque: 142 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 6000 rpm
Weight: 2778lbs
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the typeS model only comes with a 6spd...ATX is not an option.
99CouGSweetRide
02-03-2003, 09:14 PM
that's funny acura.com has the weight as 100 lbs lighter than that.
Mike
Faboo
02-03-2003, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by: paradigmthe typeS model only comes with a 6spd...ATX is not an option.
I knew the type S was stick only i just wasn't sure if it was 5 or 6 speed.....
Furious1
02-05-2003, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by: Raben
Crank HP is rated at 160hp...
Crank HP for the Coug is 170HP stock. An MTX will put down ~145HP and the ATX ~130HP on the dyno. Note there are different types of dynos and results can vary. For example, a stock MTX here in Mass at a local dyno put down only 123HP. We were shocked but were happy to see other Cougars with mods put down the usual 10HP over stock for I/E, etc. This summer we might try a different dyno. Race wise, power, weight, gear ratio and driver skill make for the biggest factors IMO. Oh yeah, from a stop, tires and overall grip too.
Anyone every try against an RSX-S from a 80mph highway roll? That would be interesting.
paradigm
02-05-2003, 11:49 AM
from an 80mph roll...that is a good question. i thought the rsx-s is much stronger at highway speeds (vs. from a stop).
puckpuck...care to comment? you've had your S for alot longer and also raced it.
my prediction is that the rsx-s would have the advantage since the cougar's torque would not be helping it as much once at speed.
thoughts?
PuckPuck
02-05-2003, 12:19 PM
The Type-s is slightly heavier (by about 100lbs) than a normal rsx... this is due to the leather seasts, bose 7 speaker system and 6 speed trans....
stock vs stock an rsx-s will beat a cougar by quite a bit... almost a full second in the 1/4 mile.... off the line cougar is better, but once you get the rsx-s in i-vtec... good bye
from a roll, rsx-s is king... from a roll, you can easily get into i-vtec and again... good bye
i have both cars, and even when i had good tires, i/e and gutted precats i could only muster a 15.5 in the coug... granted weather played a big role in that one (hot and humid) so i would figure on a good day i could get maybe a 15.1 out of the coug... still got a 14.7 out of the rsx-s, and that was completely stock on stock tires too which are horrible....
cougarXR7
02-05-2003, 05:00 PM
i/e and gutted precats, isn't exactly gaining 30 hp. Thats prolly more around 18-23, and your still weighing more than the rsx by a little over 200 pounds.
Furious1
02-05-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by: paradigm
from an 80mph roll...that is a good question. i thought the rsx-s is much stronger at highway speeds (vs. from a stop).
puckpuck...care to comment? you've had your S for alot longer and also raced it.
my prediction is that the rsx-s would have the advantage since the cougar's torque would not be helping it as much once at speed.
thoughts?
I just wonder what drag at high speeds over 80mph with a lighter weight low TQ/higher HP car would do against drag with a higher TQ/lower HP heavier car. The wind drag is my factor here. Would it slow down the RSX-S more than the Coug because of TQ and weight? Light weight would carry less momentum so it would slow down faster against the wind? Other way around? Thoughts?
Edit: anyone know the RSX's drag coef.? The Coug's is .32.
Raben
02-05-2003, 05:33 PM
I'm not certain from an 80mph roll a cougar would take the rsx-s or not. I'm not a big fan of racing at that speed anyhow as it should be 0 to whatever speed ;)
But reviewing www.car-stats.com, the RSX-S runs 0 - 120 in 27.2 seconds.
The cougar runs 0 - 120 in 43.7 seconds.
Not sure how accurate and what transaxle they were running in the test although they typically use MTX when doing these.
They placed the cougar at 16.2 1/4 vs a RSX-S at 14.8 in the 1/4. Again how accurate those numbers are I'm not sure of. Just pulled off their web site.
Although I am sure a stock ATX probably runs 40+ seconds to reach 120. I used to own on and it was one of the slowest things I've ever been in, but again it was an ATX so go figure hehe.
Furious1
02-06-2003, 05:26 PM
That site also says the WRX does 0-120 in 25.2 sec. So far I've tied one and beat two stock WRX's from an 80mph roll. I think we should do our own road tests. Anyone wanna donate some cars and a stopwatch?
Redlinetemp
02-06-2003, 07:54 PM
Ya...hangook salam dueessu? Anyung!:wave:
Nanen dowa goolgae.
Does this make two koreans? w00t! you don't see many kroeans racin domestics...:biggrin:
Redlinetemp
02-06-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by: Furious1
That site also says the WRX does 0-120 in 25.2 sec. So far I've tied one and beat two stock WRX's from an 80mph roll. I think we should do our own road tests. Anyone wanna donate some cars and a stopwatch?
You could borrow my 1987 volvo 240, excursion, and aerostar...but you probably don't want to...:flushed:
eurocrisp
02-07-2003, 02:51 AM
Ill race your volvo, ive got an 86 ATX 240 with only 120,000 miles
Originally posted by: Redlinetemp
Ya...hangook salam dueessu? Anyung!:wave:
Nanen dowa goolgae.
Does this make two koreans? w00t! you don't see many Koreans racing domestics...:biggrin:
kakaka
anyung hasaeyo!!!
Nice meet u
I have many Korean friends in here Chicago.
and they have rsx-s,acord v6, mustang GT, civic Si etc...
we wanted to make our own team, but mustang totaled, and mine too.
but I bought new 2002 cougar cuz I didn't want to announce to my parents
subdre
02-08-2003, 01:05 PM
hey i used to own a 99 cougar with intake, headers, exhaust, svt upper and tb and my best time at the track was a 15.7 thats lebanon dragway in ny its a really slow track but with my rsx i was able to pull a 15.0 flat and that was completly stock i only had the car for a week, i have raced a couple of cougars which i killed including cougar xr7 hehe (sorry tone had to call u out on that one) the coug does have alot of low end tq but the rsx keeps up right there in the low end, once u get the rsx in the ivtec range thats when the balls kick in. as far as for speeds 80 and above the rsx just pulls the gearing is really nice u have alot of power all the way up, it pulls better than the gsr at top end. well thats just my say on it i am not trying to put down the cougar in any way b.c i loved mine i just had way too many problems with it, and i will say the coug is still one of the best looking cars out there.
Furious1
02-08-2003, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by: subdre
hey i used to own a 99 cougar with intake, headers, exhaust, svt upper and tb and my best time at the track was a 15.7 thats lebanon dragway in ny its a really slow track but with my rsx i was able to pull a 15.0 flat and that was completly stock i only had the car for a week, i have raced a couple of cougars which i killed including cougar xr7 hehe (sorry tone had to call u out on that one) the coug does have alot of low end tq but the rsx keeps up right there in the low end, once u get the rsx in the ivtec range thats when the balls kick in. as far as for speeds 80 and above the rsx just pulls the gearing is really nice u have alot of power all the way up, it pulls better than the gsr at top end. well thats just my say on it i am not trying to put down the cougar in any way b.c i loved mine i just had way too many problems with it, and i will say the coug is still one of the best looking cars out there.
Was your Coug MTX/ATX? Not tryin to put you down or anything, but if you had an MTX with I/H/E and your best time was 15.7 at the track...
subdre
02-08-2003, 06:45 PM
my cougar was an mtx, its just the track it was slow a few other members of this msg board has ran at that track with me and they couldnt get out of the 16's and thats with intake and exhaust. my coug was def faster than one with just i/e but at that track its just slow
cougarXR7
02-14-2003, 07:50 PM
dre had one of the fastest cougars in all of Empire NECO. But the tracks around us suck a$$....
And yes dre killed me when racing his rsx-s, I did f*%k up going into second gear ... but that really didn't matter... heheh...
subdre
02-22-2003, 07:43 PM
lol hey i killed u in my cougar too hehe