raced a Z24

[Hamm23]

Pretty even until i shifted into 3rd, then i pulled away easily. It was a 99 with 17"s, an AEM intake, and dual cannon exhaust (looked nice but sounded like ass).

[MileHighCougar]

I raced one too take a look .... My race (http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=58417)

[carsnrockmusic]

Originally posted by: MileHighCougar
I raced one too take a look .... My race (http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=58417)


sweet....i got the zetec and i've beat a few myself...cavaliers anyway....no z24's

[Faboo]

what was the last year that they made the z24???

[MileHighCougar]

My friend had a 2001 so atleast up to there and I believe I saw a Z24 emblem on a 03 bodystyle the other day so I think they still make them!!

[OrangeCat]

Originally posted by: Faboo
what was the last year that they made the z24???

I believe a few Z24s were made in 2002, then they completely switched over to the 2.2 ecotec. That was then the end of the Z24.

[carsnrockmusic]

I'm pretty sure that they replaced the Z24 with the LS in 2002....the LS looks pretty much like the Z....it's got that ecotec too...i'm not positive though

[Faboo]

my freind just bought a cavalier ls.....he said the z24 was not available anymore....this was in the early 2002...

[Fastam]

nice kill...Z24s arent actualy slow stock...base 2.2L cavs are though lol 115HP...but Z24s have been knowen to pull mid 15s stock...hell i know a guys that got a 15.9 in a auto Z24...there is a few guys on my board that are in the low 15s with intake and exhaust with Z24s...one guy in the 11s with a crate W-41(190) and a custom turbo spooling at 14 PSI..

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: Hamm23
Pretty even until i shifted into 3rd, then i pulled away easily. It was a 99 with 17"s, an AEM intake, and dual cannon exhaust (looked nice but sounded like ass).

i destroy the **** out of the 99's, i beat the 00's and i can take on a 01, 3rd kills them... but an 02 my buddy has is a close race always.. it's stock... but ti runs a 15.2! i usually beat him by about a car length but sometimes i get a bad start and he wins by a foot... sometimes it's even dead even!

not srue what happened btu he's dad shop got him the car.... maybe they did something to it? who knows...


nice kill!

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: MileHighCougar
I raced one too take a look .... My race (http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=58417)

nice kill to you too, but i think your exagerating a bit with 4 car lengths... i do beat the older ones by quite a bit though haha! but i have lots o mods... i raced a 00 with intake and exhuast when I just had exhuast and took that by a ca rand half or two car lengths :)

:biggrin:

[MileHighCougar]

Actually Im not exagerating at all!! After I shifted into 2nd I started pulling away quickly and continued to do so!!

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: MileHighCougar
Actually Im not exagerating at all!! After I shifted into 2nd I started pulling away quickly and continued to do so!!

ok.... what year z24? that matters a lot! after 99 they gave them an extra 20 hp and like 25lbs of tq! which is alot for a car with a curb weight around 2500!... plus driver coudl have sucked but... 2 cars cna look like 4 from inside a car :) not saying your a liar... it could be true but I doubt 4 car lengths.... 1 car si about .1 in the quarter... what do you run in the qaurter? then i'll be able to tell you if it can be 4 cars and what model year z24 you raced :)

[Hamm23]

The Z24 never got a 25Hp increase. I was a J-body (cavalier and sunfire) man for two years when i owned my Sunfire GT. The 2000+ models only got a increase of maybe 5HP. The 2002+ got the 2.2L Ecotec and the Z24 turned into a LS Sport. The new Ecotec has many parts made or being made and is supposed to be able to handle quite a bit of tweaking.

[99CouGSweetRide]

I imagine it'd be tough to beat a Z24 or the new LS. The Z24s have 2.4 liter 150 horsepower engines while the LS's have 2.2L ecotec 140HP and 150 torque (about 15 less than the cougar), BUT they only weigh about 2650 lbs. So they are pretty good competition for us.

Mike

[MileHighCougar]

Mike Im pretty sure that it was a 99 or so not the brand new body style and not the one right before that so I figure 99. As far as the Z24 having 150 HP that is 20 less not 15 than a stock cougar and mine is far from stock. Oh and as far as 1/4 mile times Ive never ran at the track but once it opens back up I will be, but by then I will have the 2.5/3.0 hybrid conv. done!! :) I hope to be in the mid 15's (at over a mile high) but we will see

[dv6cougar]

you hope to be in the mid 15's! with a hybrid conv?!?!? dude... no offense but hwo did you ever beat a Z24..... damn man, with that kind of power 14's should be a joke :cover:

i ho9pe you meant you are running mid 15's now? and if you raced a 99 i'll believe that, they had 140hp and I think 125 or 130lbs? somewhere around there and with your mods yes good race...

however... with my current mods i race 2002 z24 all the time and I cna beat him but barely! if i get a bad start, he can take me till about 90mph where i can take over no problem, which doesn't help much in the 1/4

my current mods would be.... svt uim and tb, intake, exhuast, flywheel, and svt trans mount with poly insert.

BTW... he's dad works ofr gm(z24 guy) and he's z24 is running better then it shoudl i swear it... he ran it at the track stock with a 15.2 wit accessive wheelspin? i was like wtf! why's it so fast.... do you think they put in the Ecotec motor? that would give him a nice launch! you should see this sucka... i beat a GTP off the line and almost to the qaurter mile line too after 90 i smoke them too :).. but that little z24, it get's of the line like jet! it's insane

nice kill Mile High

[MileHighCougar]

Well mike I have all the same mods as you except for the flywheel, and I also have the 19# inj and a calibrated MAF. The reason I say mid 15's is because up here that is a good time, that would be mid 14's at sealevel and yes Im talking about now not after the conv. I dont know what to expect after the 2.5/3.0 conv. I havent seen any time slips from guys running that mod. All I know is whatever people run at sealevel add a little over a sec and thats what you'll be running up here. SVT's run mid to high 15's up here to give you an idea.

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: MileHighCougar
Well mike I have all the same mods as you except for the flywheel, and I also have the 19# inj and a calibrated MAF. The reason I say mid 15's is because up here that is a good time, that would be mid 14's at sealevel and yes Im talking about now not after the conv. I dont know what to expect after the 2.5/3.0 conv. I havent seen any time slips from guys running that mod. All I know is whatever people run at sealevel add a little over a sec and thats what you'll be running up here. SVT's run mid to high 15's up here to give you an idea.

ok.... makes more sense... but a mid 14 with those mods!?! damn you can drive ha... i'm not saying your lying but that's like almost impossible.. i ran a 15.3 stock and that's damn good.... with my mods i can possibel run a 14.9 and a flywheel will probably gain more itme then 19# and calibrated maf, btu I am not positive.

i say go run it before you have teh 2.5/3.0 put in. and with that you can run a 13 second run at sea level depending onw hat you get done.

what are your plans with taht motor? i'll give you mine afte ryou give me yours.... mine are quite elaborate though ;)

[MileHighCougar]

Well I figure CougarDemon can run 14.92 with his limited mods then with mine I should be around 14.7 14.8 so I guess I should say mid to high 14's. As far as the engine I am planning on staying NA for now I will be running 2.5 svt heads (with some serious work done) and cams with 3.0 valves and 3.0 shortblock I will be using the SHO shop LIM with the larger bores I believe the plan is to also do a small bore and stroke as well. I am not the one doing the work so forgive me if I worded something wrong (I am just starting to learn about this mod) a local CEG guy is gonna be doin it!!

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: MileHighCougar
Well I figure CougarDemon can run 14.92 with his limited mods then with mine I should be around 14.7 14.8 so I guess I should say mid to high 14's. As far as the engine I am planning on staying NA for now I will be running 2.5 svt heads (with some serious work done) and cams with 3.0 valves and 3.0 shortblock I will be using the SHO shop LIM with the larger bores I believe the plan is to also do a small bore and stroke as well. I am not the one doing the work so forgive me if I worded something wrong (I am just starting to learn about this mod) a local CEG guy is gonna be doin it!!

i'm learning too.... i think you meant the 3.0 valves in the svt heads and isn't the valve kind of the same as a cam? i'm not sure...

and cougar demon's a lucky pos! he is 28 and can probably drive really well.... no one else can come close to what he has done there.... so you can't go about estimating your time off his... no offense to you... i thought teh same until I ran my car with my mods haha... BLAH...

i will believe you running a 14.9 with all the mods... cougar demon simple seemed to have gotten very lucky... he only has udp, intake and a ait mod! which every says does nothing, it did him a lot... and a throttle hang fix as welll... I AM DOING BOTH now haha.

we'll see

good luck with your motor..

my motor
3.0 block(no choice on which one just yet)
svt heads, full race port and polish on everything
24# injectors
custom cams
8.5 to 1 comp. pistons and depending on kingers number a turbo or a supercharger....

if i turbo this beast and run it(engine is rebuilt for handling forced induction at this time) at about 15 to 17lbs of boost, we are talkign massive numbers here.

i have no idea wha tto do with the trans other then a stage 3 or 4 drive shaft and the usual qauiffe etc.... probably have a transmission man rebuild it and strengthen the gears really well.

my goal is 350whp and 360lbs.... we'll see about that... all depends... if kinger hits 300whp.... then i can do 350whp... with more work and offcourse more money... not to put down kinger he's the God of 3.0 land right now :bowdown: and will always be at the way top of the cougar races

;)

[MileHighCougar]

Yes the 3.0 valves go in the heads I just got those out of order:banghead: I know I am a very good driver, Ive never been at the track but I race alot and I am very consistant with my launch and I dont ever miss shift. I believe that I will be able to get the most out of my car whether it is 14.7 or 14.9 we will see!! Anyways good luck with your buildup as well!!! I just read the whole story about your family and I am really sorry to hear that!!!! Good luck and have a Merry Christmas!!!

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: MileHighCougar
Yes the 3.0 valves go in the heads I just got those out of order:banghead: I know I am a very good driver, Ive never been at the track but I race alot and I am very consistant with my launch and I dont ever miss shift. I believe that I will be able to get the most out of my car whether it is 14.7 or 14.9 we will see!! Anyways good luck with your buildup as well!!! I just read the whole story about your family and I am really sorry to hear that!!!! Good luck and have a Merry Christmas!!!

thanks...
Merry x mas to you too....


i have extremely good launches... i took .4 of my buddies 1/4 time in his Si... he was running a 15.9 adn I pulled a 15.45 with it! i reved it all teh way to 6000 and got little wheel spin :).. and i have never missed a shift ;)

but ya we will see what you run.. but do it sometime

i start my cougar at 3900 rpms with little wheel spin on my 18's and roush springs... :)

[99CouGSweetRide]

As far as the Z24 having 150 HP that is 20 less not 15 than a stock cougar

When i said 150 is 15 less than the cougar, i was referring to the torque, not horsepower (of the new LS of course) :)


Mike

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: 99CouGSweetRide

As far as the Z24 having 150 HP that is 20 less not 15 than a stock cougar

When i said 150 is 15 less than the cougar, i was referring to the torque, not horsepower (of the new LS of course) :)


Mike

ya that ecotec's pretty tight, they are popping them in the new saturns!... those little things might be kind of quick

all I4 cougars watch your back ;)

[Fastam]

yeah the next Gen Cav and sunfire ..are going to based off of the opel Astra platfrom(gm company in europe)and will have the 140HP ecotec and a 190HP High output ecotec....BTW the 2.4L Twin Cam in the Z24s is the second gen quad4...made to be smoother...and more liveble...but with only 150HP where as the most power quad4 had 190HP. im very glad to see GM head back to there High Output i-4s.:biggrin:

[99CouGSweetRide]

and GM Performance Parts..they got a supercharger..watch out! custom_images/emoticons/shocked.gif

Mike

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: Fastam
yeah the next Gen Cav and sunfire ..are going to based off of the opel Astra platfrom(gm company in europe)and will have the 140HP ecotec and a 190HP High output ecotec....BTW the 2.4L Twin Cam in the Z24s is the second gen quad4...made to be smoother...and more liveble...but with only 150HP where as the most power quad4 had 190HP. im very glad to see GM head back to there High Output i-4s.:biggrin:

ya you would be.... i'll still beat you in race any day ;) :cover:

just messing man... i didn't know it was the quad4 motor.... that's very nice. I kind of like the motor, it's tq enough for a 4, only like most I4's out there ;)

[Fastam]

yep its a Quad4 ...and i quote this from hot rod maginzes "quad4 mods" artical. "every Change to the quad4 from 1987-present has been in the name of noise emissons"(since beleive it or not they pass emissons without a Cat.)because they are very rough running engines,as a result of being 2.3-2.4L in displacment without balence shafts.....the 2.4L has the distinction of having th flatest torque curve of any 4 cyl made to date....and im mean flat...it makes 90% at 2500RPM and never drops off until the redline.i've been in a 88 quad4 Grand am...it vibrates so much that you wanna **** your pants! my 93 is quite smooth compared but still you always now it running....oh and did i mention that they are LOUD!!!!

even if you had a 2.5 open exhaust after 4500RPM all you hear is engine.

BTW that GM performace S/C is under rated..GM claim 190HP on a 2.4L but they dyno at 180-186WHP ...which is the same as the RSM racing 2.4L S/C dynos at...and they claim 230 crank HP.there is guys running 13 with the GM S/C..and they only make 6PSI.

man i talk about quad4s a lot..... lol dude i've never been to the track...as it is very far away...but there is many other quad4 HO guys running high 14s with less mods than me.:biggrin:

[dv6cougar]

nice... my car should be running 14's as well. what mods do you have?

BTW.. a vortech supercharged cougar v6 is also capabel of runnign 13's :)

[Fastam]

my mods list as of right now are. CAI (custom) 2.5" cat back exhaust,2.25 ported 1992 quad4 HO exhaust manifold(best flowing year,its basicly a cast header) 14.7-9s are knowen for 92-94 HOs with just I/E.

mods to come(wating in the shop) short throw shifter linkage ,and some intrax springs(not much of a performance mod..but they help with my speed boat like weight transfer)

future(very near) W-41 ECU (7400RPM redline better fuel tables above 6000RPM)
W-41 camshafts(rate 0.410 lift 220 duration vs stock HO 0.410 lift 212 duation)
i can get 0.430 lift cams but the car wont idle well then...lol
ported 92 HO cylinder head and 3 angle valve job (people with these mods are runing mid to high 13 N/A)

im not knocking Cougars in anyway...i really do like them ,and have a healthy respect for the Duratec engine.. i just wish ford used the SVT version.

but i know honda guys that are turbo charged and cant break out of the 14s ...so i think the hugely underated J-body pulling 13s with 6psi ,and N-bodies(grand ams) doing 13s N/A ,is somthing that should get more respect than they get from the rest of the sport compact world. thats why i like this site...because the cougar is another underated car . i witnessed my buddy beat many cars with his lightly modded Zetec Cougar , people would just laughed at him(they didnt afterward). i'll give him the credit, that he is an awsome driver ,seeing as he beat countless ATX V6 cougars.

oh look im going off on a rant again ,the cougar is one of the best cars ford has...i can beleive they are getting rid of it.

[dv6cougar]

efveryone on here wish that ford used the svt version :biggrin: glad to hear you like our cars... as this is a board about Cougars :)

how much hp do you have? i don't understand how you can run 14's with a I4 in a really heavy grand am? i'm not cutting you down, interested as to how that's done :)

also... i can beat your older brother by a car legth... a 2000 GTP :) so how come you can beat a Supercharged V6? me :confused:

[OrangeCat]

Originally posted by: dv6cougar
efveryone on here wish that ford used the svt version :biggrin: glad to hear you like our cars... as this is a board about Cougars :)

how much hp do you have? i don't understand how you can run 14's with a I4 in a really heavy grand am? i'm not cutting you down, interested as to how that's done :)

also... i can beat your older brother by a car legth... a 2000 GTP :) so how come you can beat a Supercharged V6? me :confused:

You really got to give early Quad 4s some credit. They move. Newer Z24s basically stock can run mid-low 15's. Just as fast as a V6-MTX cougar. The older Quad 4's made up to 40 hp. more. They can easily get into high 14's.

GTPs stock are only good for low 15's/high 14's, and with warm ait they are a lot slower.

[Fastam]

Originally posted by: dv6cougar
efveryone on here wish that ford used the svt version :biggrin: glad to hear you like our cars... as this is a board about Cougars :)

how much hp do you have? i don't understand how you can run 14's with a I4 in a really heavy grand am? i'm not cutting you down, interested as to how that's done :)

also... i can beat your older brother by a car legth... a 2000 GTP :) so how come you can beat a Supercharged V6? me :confused:


sure i can tell you that.:biggrin: ok 89-94 quad4 HOs made 180HP 160ft-lbs .89-91 Grand ams only weighed 2400lbs...92-94s weighed 2700lbs.

89-91 quad4 HOs have been known to hit high 14s stock.
92-94 are usealy 15.2-15.6(94 only had 170HP because of "engine livableity mods")

GTPs on the other hand...the fastest known stock...did a 14.6..but on a very cold day...since there superchargers arent intercooled air temp really affects them. on a cool day most can run high 14s. they have one crazy aftermarket too ..just add a smaller pully intake and exhuast...and there in the 13s.

not bad for a 3600lbs car.

but there are not highway killers because ,there only avaible with an auto..and its geared pretty poorly..they have no top end power stock.

but with 240HP and 280ft-lbs...they get off the line quick..

quad4 HO powered cars were only made with a close raito Getrag manual. 92-94 got a very nice 3.94 final drive...to help with extra weight of the new body style..

grand am were actualy classed as a compact car..until the 99+ ones came out...now they are all over 3000lbs.


anyway thats why they say the fastest grand am to date was the 89-91..because they were.
oh yeah if there is anything you would like to know about GM FWDs(or gm in general) i might be able to tell you.

[Fastam]

Originally posted by: OrangeCat

Originally posted by: dv6cougar
efveryone on here wish that ford used the svt version :biggrin: glad to hear you like our cars... as this is a board about Cougars :)

how much hp do you have? i don't understand how you can run 14's with a I4 in a really heavy grand am? i'm not cutting you down, interested as to how that's done :)

also... i can beat your older brother by a car legth... a 2000 GTP :) so how come you can beat a Supercharged V6? me :confused:

You really got to give early Quad 4s some credit. They move. Newer Z24s basically stock can run mid-low 15's. Just as fast as a V6-MTX cougar. The older Quad 4's made up to 40 hp. more. They can easily get into high 14's.

GTPs stock are only good for low 15's/high 14's, and with warm ait they are a lot slower.

thanks you hit the nail right on the head with that one.

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: Fastam

Originally posted by: OrangeCat

Originally posted by: dv6cougar
efveryone on here wish that ford used the svt version :biggrin: glad to hear you like our cars... as this is a board about Cougars :)

how much hp do you have? i don't understand how you can run 14's with a I4 in a really heavy grand am? i'm not cutting you down, interested as to how that's done :)

also... i can beat your older brother by a car legth... a 2000 GTP :) so how come you can beat a Supercharged V6? me :confused:

You really got to give early Quad 4s some credit. They move. Newer Z24s basically stock can run mid-low 15's. Just as fast as a V6-MTX cougar. The older Quad 4's made up to 40 hp. more. They can easily get into high 14's.

GTPs stock are only good for low 15's/high 14's, and with warm ait they are a lot slower.

thanks you hit the nail right on the head with that one.

ya i c teh point.... and that kind of output from a I4 that's very impressive... it's great to hear that you can beat a Supercharged version of your car, what fun! i love tearing them a new a hole... they think they are big and bad, and i have my exhuast, so i rev it and they look at me like i'm nutz... and we're off and by the time i'm done with them, they can't stop crying hahahahahahaha

Fastam- we really ought to get race someday :) unless offcourse i do what i want and supercharge my cougar within the next 6 months :)

[Fastam]

yeah its pretty cool. everybody i pull up to at lights say..."why mod a grand am" me "because stock this can beat you modded " and then i do beat them. mostly Civic drivers though. i've been in many races...and only lost a few. those losses have been to one not stock 70 camaro(it had the boggie boggie idle) and my buddies 97 Talon TSI AWD. .

the very best race i ever had was against a 1995 Cougar XR-7 4.6L V8 . i could only pull a few "s on him in every gear from a roll. but i took him by 2 cars of the line...apprently they were weak out of the hole. but that SOHC V8 had some balls on the top end...we raced 6 times in a row one night...each roll was almost even up to 160KM/H (his top speed) .

i still dont know why i beat that 2001 V6 manual cougar so bad. he pulled on my buddies old Ztec I-4 cougar by a car only .

he only paid 19 000 for his Cat..but after is was wreked..with all the aftermarket stuff on it..insurance gave him 21 000.

go figure.

i'd be cool to race...but your kinda far away...im on the west coast of British Columbia.

[dv6cougar]

yes far away... however, i have beaten a 1996 AWD Talon TSI, but i didn't catch if the one you raced was modded, the one i raced had intake and exhuast.

i also kill my buddies 1993 4.3L cougar! i get him good by like 2 or 3 cars now.... stock vs stock he's a bit faster but... i really think me and yhou would be a godo race..

now i'm not very geographical... where is British Columbia? i want to travel a lot so maybe haha..... that's in canada thoguh isn't it?!? :confused:

[Fastam]

yeah he had a full lenght 3" exhaust when we raced..... i was at his rear tire at 170km/h ...or in other word about 110mph ...so well past the 1/4 mile....but it was from a roll...ofcourse from a stop if he launches hard he'll take me by about 2 cars right away (damn AWD) but i should catch up for a bit...and then he'd pull away again on the very top end.

B.C. borders Washington State...if you look at a map..you'll see a big assed island...which is called Vancouver Island...its about 800kms long and 300 wide. i am a ferry and 2 hour drive away from Seattle.

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: Fastam
yeah he had a full lenght 3" exhaust when we raced..... i was at his rear tire at 170km/h ...or in other word about 110mph ...so well past the 1/4 mile....but it was from a roll...ofcourse from a stop if he launches hard he'll take me by about 2 cars right away (damn AWD) but i should catch up for a bit...and then he'd pull away again on the very top end.

B.C. borders Washington State...if you look at a map..you'll see a big assed island...which is called Vancouver Island...its about 800kms long and 300 wide. i am a ferry and 2 hour drive away from Seattle.

haha... that's the one place in the us i don't plan to visit anytiem soon haha

i'm going toward NJ and NY, Pa, DC etc... sometime florida as well, and i am heading for cali at some point too! got some friends that moved downt ehre and a nother one moving down there next month :)

that's 3 out of 4 corners... too bad your int he 4th corner :rofl:

[Fastam]

cool...yeah Guyver (sp) already wants to race me too. but if your ever up this way..i'll make a point to meet up with you..if i can .

BTW click on the link in my sig...its not my car...that is a beretta GTZ..which has a quad4 HO ...its mod is a 2.5" exhaust . finaly figured out that link thing.


that sound change you hear...is power band in a quad4 .

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: Fastam
cool...yeah Guyver (sp) already wants to race me too. but if your ever up this way..i'll make a point to meet up with you..if i can .

BTW click on the link in my sig...its not my car...that is a beretta GTZ..which has a quad4 HO ...its mod is a 2.5" exhaust . finaly figured out that link thing.


that sound change you hear...is power band in a quad4 .

very cool and it's probably gyger your talking about

i'll repost later when i get the chance to watch the vid, it's still dl

[Fastam]

gyger yeah thats how you spell it.

lol ya know somthing funny...usealy when i come to message boards, i come off kinda like a dick.

never really trying to be one though..i always end up finding some kind of common ground though...my and gyger didnt really get along at first either.

im actualy thinking of a cougar as my next car...seeing how there discontiueing them....i bet i could get a deal...really is too bad that they are though. Mercury should have called it somthing else i guess...just dumb people that owned the old RWDs didnt like the fact that the new one was FWD and no more V8.funny thing is that the Supercharged 3.8L V8 was faster than the 5.0L and 4.6L V8s...

[dv6cougar]

Originally posted by: Fastam
gyger yeah thats how you spell it.

lol ya know somthing funny...usealy when i come to message boards, i come off kinda like a dick.

never really trying to be one though..i always end up finding some kind of common ground though...my and gyger didnt really get along at first either.

im actualy thinking of a cougar as my next car...seeing how there discontiueing them....i bet i could get a deal...really is too bad that they are though. Mercury should have called it somthing else i guess...just dumb people that owned the old RWDs didnt like the fact that the new one was FWD and no more V8.funny thing is that the Supercharged 3.8L V8 was faster than the 5.0L and 4.6L V8s...

funny stuff.... BTW i beat a 91 supercharged t bird, if i'm not mistaken that is the faster 3.8L supercharged.... it was mtx too... i roasted him like he was a Thanksgiving turkey on wheels ;)

[01blkcat]

I just noticed this thread, thought I'd add my two cents.

I had a 1992 Oldsmobile Achieva with a Quad4 engine, SOHC, 2.3L. I'm aware that the 2.4L DOHC engine was a bit more powerful, but I'd like to see some proof of the power output of that engine -- my car was pretty well modded when I got rid of it, and it wasn't powerful enough to race a snail... not bashing you, but coming from someone else that has worked on, run, and killed one of these engines, just wondering....

You also state the engine is "HO" -- of course it is... they were mostly all SOHC/DOHC in 92/93, so just wondering if you had the SOHC or DOHC... as far as the 2.3L/2.4L, it's even in internal press documents that the engines are the same size, but the number differences were dependent on the manfacturing process... who knows :(

Edit: Just wanted to make sure everyone knows that the Pontiac Grand Am and the Oldsmobile Achieva are the SAME car. They share all of the same parts, chassis, engine, tranny, etc. Even the controls are the same. Only difference is some body work and the company name. Still GM.

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Originally posted by: 01blkcat
I just noticed this thread, thought I'd add my two cents.

I had a 1992 Oldsmobile Achieva with a Quad4 engine, SOHC, 2.3L. I'm aware that the 2.4L DOHC engine was a bit more powerful, but I'd like to see some proof of the power output of that engine -- my car was pretty well modded when I got rid of it, and it wasn't powerful enough to race a snail... not bashing you, but coming from someone else that has worked on, run, and killed one of these engines, just wondering....

Jessie from f n f first said it "you could push this across the finish line... or tow it, Dom: you couldn't even tow it across the finish line" :rofl: :cover:

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Originally posted by: 01blkcat
I just noticed this thread, thought I'd add my two cents.

I had a 1992 Oldsmobile Achieva with a Quad4 engine, SOHC, 2.3L. I'm aware that the 2.4L DOHC engine was a bit more powerful, but I'd like to see some proof of the power output of that engine -- my car was pretty well modded when I got rid of it, and it wasn't powerful enough to race a snail... not bashing you, but coming from someone else that has worked on, run, and killed one of these engines, just wondering....

You also state the engine is "HO" -- of course it is... they were mostly all SOHC/DOHC in 92/93, so just wondering if you had the SOHC or DOHC... as far as the 2.3L/2.4L, it's even in internal press documents that the engines are the same size, but the number differences were dependent on the manfacturing process... who knows :(

Edit: Just wanted to make sure everyone knows that the Pontiac Grand Am and the Oldsmobile Achieva are the SAME car. They share all of the same parts, chassis, engine, tranny, etc. Even the controls are the same. Only difference is some body work and the company name. Still GM.

ouch sorry to hear you owned a SOHC quad4.

any way to answer you questions...the quad4 was first put into a production car as a 2.3L DOHC (its displacment is actualy 2249cc) in 1987 it made 150HP and 150lb-ft .
in 1989 the quad4 LO (low output as it is called in the quad4 comunity) got a HP increase to 160HP and 155lb-ft. also in 1989 the quad4 HO was introduced with 180HP and 160lb-ft. when 1990 rolled around Oldsmobile(maker of the quad4) went racing with a specail HO quad4 called the W-41 it made 190HP and 165lb-ft...the Cutlass Calais quad W-41 won 6 out of 9 races its the quad4s FWD racing debuet. (beleive or not the quad4 was first used in indy CART and F-1 racing when they were Turbo I-4s) .

only 204 Calais W-41s were made...but about 5000 442 HOs made it out of factory(thi does not inclued Beretta GTZs and Grand ams)

1992 GM decied to make a SOHC version of the 2.3L quad4 . it only made 115HP and 140lb-ft. this engine was a total failure,the quad4 was never intended to be a SOHC. it had bad problems with cylinder heads cracking. that is the reason it was only made for 2 years 92-93.

now to get to the 2.4L you information is quite incorrect the 2.3 and 2.4L blocks are substancliy different ...crank pistons rods are all different..the block itself is totaly differet cooling water jackets are not even in the same locations.

i cant even begin to discribe how in accurate this statment is. "it's even in internal press documents that the engines are the same size, but the number differences were dependent on the manfacturing process... who knows "

im going to try my hardest to post the eniter quad mods artical from Hot Rod Magizine...they detail every difference between the 2.3L and 2.4L. .

sorry you got stuck with a QuadOHC (is its proper name).

i havent even got into the Bilmar W-41s. they were making in the range of 230HP N/A


BTW if doubt me(as iff someone could make all that up) just go to any search engine...and type in "Oldsmobile Quad4" .

or W-41 for that matter...and yes the Oldsmobile Achieva and Grand Am are both N-bodies...just the Caviler and Sunfire are J-bodies ,and the Camaro and Firebird/Trans Am were both F-bodies.

i know of more than 4 Achieva SCX owners on gmpowertalk .the SCX was the 92-94 W-41 option it alos had 190HP .