I'm voting Republican.

[NorCalCoug]

YouTube - I'm Voting Republican (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU)

[azbobbybooshay10]

Yep, that about sums it up for me. Thanks NorCal!!

[Comando489]

they could make the same type of video and spin it around for democrats. "i'm voting democratic because i want half my income to go to welfare" etc.

i hate only having two options:(

even though i like the video. especially the end with the little kid:rofl:

[skater]

:rolleyes: Yeah, like the Democrats have never supported big business. OH WAIT! Who introduced the bill to extend copyrights to an insanely long time? It was a Democrat, sponsored by Disney. Who signed the idiotic Digital Millennium Copyright Act into law, which makes it illegal to decrypt anything? BILL CLINTON, a Democrat. Democrats also voted for the PATRIOT Act, which made things like due process of law unnecessary.

Honestly, people: If you really think there is a difference between the two parties, you're being fooled. Step back and take an honest look at both parties, and you'll be amazed at how similar they really are. Ignore the rhetoric and see how they actually vote.

God I hate politics in this country. I do not plan to vote this fall because I don't like either major candidate.

[MOMO]

That video is pure bull****.
you can do the exact same thing with democrats.

Like Skater said, if you think that there really is a difference between the two parties, then you are sadly mistaken.

Only candidate who was true republican was Ron Paul. And i guarantee you, if he was nominated and elected, there would have been some major changes.

But sadly, as of now, neither McCain nor Obama will make any changes in current policy when they get into the oval office.

[BigBalledOX]

I'm voting Republican because I have no sense of humor and don't get sarchasm. If someone makes fun of something and I don't like it, I'm getting uppity as hell about it!

[bubby]

Oh here we go....

IBTL.

[MOMO]

I'm voting Republican because I have no sense of humor and don't get sarchasm. If someone makes fun of something and I don't like it, I'm getting uppity as hell about it!

As long as im right. ;)

[Aries]

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn74/sprg2n/republicans/10.gif

[Danef150]

Yep that vid is total BS the good news is someone struck back with more bs and it was funny too. He just didnt hire actors so you guys will be forced to read.

Why I'm Voting Democrat -- 06/18/2008 (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200806/COM20080618b.html)

Enjoy

[Comando489]

Yep that vid is total BS the good news is someone struck back with more bs and it was funny too. He just didnt hire actors so you guys will be forced to read.

Why I'm Voting Democrat -- 06/18/2008 (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200806/COM20080618b.html)

Enjoy

thanks for posting that. this is exactly what i was trying to get out of my post :rofl: he just said it MUCH better

[skater]

I'm voting Republican because I have no sense of humor and don't get sarchasm. If someone makes fun of something and I don't like it, I'm getting uppity as hell about it!

Unfortunately, that video actually shows what some Democrats really think. Try reading Slashdot comments some time, for example. But there are plenty of Republicans that actually think insane things like that about Democrats, too. Read about some of the complaints sent to the FCC for stuff on television, for example. I didn't see the video as satirical because there are plenty of people who really do believe those things.

It's sort of like Scientology. If we didn't know better, we'd think the entire religion was satirical... but it's actually quite real.

But I only watched a few seconds of the video. Perhaps the satire came out more later.

[BigBalledOX]

Yep that vid is total BS the good news is someone struck back with more bs and it was funny too. He just didnt hire actors so you guys will be forced to read.

Why I'm Voting Democrat -- 06/18/2008 (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200806/COM20080618b.html)

Enjoy

That video is the absolute truth. The indignant comments it elicits proves it.

[burton160w]

You don't only have two choices. You're more then welcome to form your own party and get on the ballot! Green party or American Socialist Party or Libretarian party anyone?

you just need to gain your fellow support for your group, and that can be tough.

Ron Paul would have made a great candidate and I considered myself a Libretarian until I actually watched the convention.... eh. yea. Unfortunately, the ideologies of Ron Paul don't mesh with a good majority of the nation and he's labeled as bat**** crazy.

[MOMO]

Unfortunately, the ideologies of Ron Paul don't mesh with a good majority of the nation and he's labeled as bat**** crazy.

Wait a minute...

if you were to ask some random people off the street and asked if they:

1. oppose the war in Iraq

2. want strong economy based on strong dollar

3. want to end our premption foreign policy


i would say majority would be for all three points.


How is that bat **** crazy?

[wonder]

Oh here we go....

IBTL.

i agree...


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p289/sephris67/inbeforethelock-1.gif

[Danef150]

That video is the absolute truth. The indignant comments it elicits proves it.

If that video is absolute truth then so is the link i posted. There was nothing dignified about the democrats extreme slur against all republicans...Both are extreme examples the only good thing is the republicans merely responded to the democrats idiocy. We didnt spawn it.

[bgred619]

im voting for tony blair! bring on the queen we dont need a president

[carajo]

How is that bat **** crazy?

It's not those things, it's these things...

He has pledged never to raise taxes

Hmmmm...1990 anyone?

Paul would abolish the individual income tax by scaling back the federal budget to its 2000 spending levels; he would also rely on excise taxes and tariffs.

First off, he would have to bring all troops back from Afghanistan and Iraq, which will take a while, and he would have to cut the new airport and INS etc. spending that has gone into place since 9/11.

He would eliminate most federal government agencies as unnecessary bureaucracies.

Could you imagine the unemployment that would create?

Paul also sharply opposes inflation as a longterm erosion of the U.S. dollar's purchasing power due to its lack of commodity backing. Paul "wouldn't exactly go back on the gold standard", but instead has pushed to legitimize gold and silver as legal tender and to remove the sales tax on them.

Yeah...let people go to Wal-Mart and pay in Troy ounces. Because the Wal-Mart employees should be able to tell the difference between real silver and fake silver.

He advocates gradual elimination of the Federal Reserve System for many reasons, believing that economic volatility is decreased when the free market determines interest rates and money supply.

That worked so well before. (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/09/03/100172461/index.htm)

He favors allowing workers to opt out of Social Security to "protect the system for everyone".

The only way you can allow people to opt out is to have some way to know that they are taking care of it themselves. They can't just opt out to use the money for a big tv. Otherwise, you'll just end up with a bigger social burden when they file for unemployment.

[NorCalCoug]

:rolleyes: Yeah, like the Democrats have never supported big business. OH WAIT! Who introduced the bill to extend copyrights to an insanely long time? It was a Democrat, sponsored by Disney. Who signed the idiotic Digital Millennium Copyright Act into law, which makes it illegal to decrypt anything? BILL CLINTON, a Democrat. Democrats also voted for the PATRIOT Act, which made things like due process of law unnecessary.

Honestly, people: If you really think there is a difference between the two parties, you're being fooled. Step back and take an honest look at both parties, and you'll be amazed at how similar they really are. Ignore the rhetoric and see how they actually vote.

God I hate politics in this country. I do not plan to vote this fall because I don't like either major candidate.

Question for you:

Where in my post did I claim that Democrats were better, or that I was advocating people to vote democrat?.

I mean.

I'm just curious.

[NorCalCoug]

Yep that vid is total BS the good news is someone struck back with more bs and it was funny too. He just didnt hire actors so you guys will be forced to read.

Why I'm Voting Democrat -- 06/18/2008 (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200806/COM20080618b.html)

Enjoy

I honestly don't have much to say about a column written by a 23 year old Orthodox Jew who claims pornography is hugely evil, social liberalism is destroying our country, believes that nobody should have sex before marriage, and thinks his fellow Jews are too liberal.

Maybe that speaks for itself!

[NorCalCoug]

If that video is absolute truth then so is the link i posted. There was nothing dignified about the democrats extreme slur against all republicans...Both are extreme examples the only good thing is the republicans merely responded to the democrats idiocy. We didnt spawn it.

The video is what is known as satire. Satire is meant to be a kind of funny attack on what the author of the satire disapproves of.

A heated response to a joke called satire is known as total retardation, and only proves further what the satire meant to show.

Just like when extremely fundamentalist muslims got heated over a political satire cartoon published in Europe, they only proved the point the satire was making. They got mad at something insignificant and responded.

Also, to be completely pedantic, the video does NOT MAKE FUN OF REPUBLICANS, it simply says that if you VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, these are the reasons why or this is what would happen (based on an overexaggeration of historical examples, or current and future proposed policies).

Live life and laugh a little, you might find it easier to breathe. :)

[Danef150]

A heated responce to a Satire does not prove your retarted...Especially when that satire is meant to insult a whole political party. You mean to tell me that the people who made the video didnt know what they were doing and that they were making republicans look like hate mongers?

When you make that kind of video you should expect some heated responce. It doesnt make the people who offended to it retarted. It makes them rightfully offended.

NorCal
I honestly don't have much to say about a column written by a 23 year old Orthodox Jew who claims pornography is hugely evil, social liberalism is destroying our country, believes that nobody should have sex before marriage, and thinks his fellow Jews are too liberal.

Maybe that speaks for itself!

That 23 year old man is also a graduate of law school meaning he is pretty well educated. What your saying is that because his views differ yours and are conservative what he says means nothing because his point of view is wrong. The point is that he is an educated conservative who countered the Democrats low blow. It doesnt make either of the 2 correct their both extremes and thats not how 99% of both parties think. But atleast it makes it fair to have both sides

BTW I laugh lots...and i would breath easier but this damn NorCal air is killing me...Its quite smokey here in Davis CA.

[NorCalCoug]

A heated responce to a Satire does not prove your retarted...Especially when that satire is meant to insult a whole political party. You mean to tell me that the people who made the video didnt know what they were doing and that they were making republicans look like hate mongers?

The point of satire is to take something and take it to the extreme.

Fact: Republican politicians authored and supported Jim Crow laws (hatemongering)
Fact: Republican politicians currently in office discussed invading Iran for oil reserves (Dick Cheney)

Satire takes things that are fact and takes it to an extreme, for humor purposes. If you don't believe in things the Republican party has done, then, well, maybe you're not really a Republican (as far as the current party-line goes).

When you make that kind of video you should expect some heated responce. It doesnt make the people who offended to it retarted. It makes them rightfully offended.

Someone who gets offended by a joke is by definition a ****ing retard. Why would you ever let somebody's words or jokes hurt your feelings? Are Republicans really that thin-skinned that they can't take a joke?

That 23 year old man is also a graduate of law school meaning he is pretty well educated.

No, it means he is well educated in the area of law. It does not mean he is well educated in the arena of politics, history, political commentary, socio-political topics, or social policy.

It means he's well educated in the area of Law, with a degree that says so. But let's remember, education and a degree, even from a good school, doesn't make you smart or intelligent. GWB graduated from Harvard Business School and he can barely piece together a ****ing sentence in the language he's been using his whole life.

What your saying is that because his views differ yours and are conservative what he says means nothing because his point of view is wrong. The point is that he is an educated conservative who countered the Democrats low blow. It doesnt make either of the 2 correct their both extremes and thats not how 99% of both parties think. But atleast it makes it fair to have both sides.

No, what I'm saying is that someone who is known to be close-minded and ONLY thinks a specific way about things isn't going to be someone I go to for open-minded commentary.

I mean the dude doesn't like porn and things you should wait before for sex until marriage. Why the hell am I going to listen to his opinion on conservatism? Of course he's going to support it. His column isn't funny. I could have come up with a funnier column about Democrats than he did, and I generally vote fairly liberal.

BTW I laugh lots...and i would breath easier but this damn NorCal air is killing me...Its quite smokey here in Davis CA.

It's smokier in San Jose. :(

[Danef150]

Do you get why i posted the other link though ? I mean i do believe that there needed to be some balance. The things that were said in that satire are extreme and yes they do get under peoples skins...The same would happen if a republican had posted a video about democrats. You might not be bothered by it. But there are many out there who will.

AS far as the jim crow stuff goes. I hate to break it to ya but Republicans are not the only political party involved in Racism. The Democratic party has quite the dirty little history as well. So that little part is null.

As far as what Cheny has said i didnt hear it. If its in his handwriting or better yet in a video of him saying it i will believe it. But on a side note we havent invaded Iran just Iraq.

I believe in alot of the things that my partie has done...I just dont believe the liberal medias spin on it. IF you dont believe the liberal media puts spin on the info they put out your in denial. Like for example there is no mention of the impact the surge in iraq has made. I know from speaking to people who have actually been Iraq that its working.

Anyways off of that. Im just saying that just because i disagree with the crazy out there video doesnt mean that i am renouncing my political party.

The video was funny and offensive at the same time. I just posted the other link to add balance. Which i believe it did.

As for the smoke i guess i will see more of it. Were going to be driving to the sf bay area to check out a used Contour SVT for my gf

[NorCalCoug]

Do you get why i posted the other link though ? I mean i do believe that there needed to be some balance. The things that were said in that satire are extreme and yes they do get under peoples skins...The same would happen if a republican had posted a video about democrats. You might not be bothered by it. But there are many out there who will.
If they're bothered by it, they need to grow up.

AS far as the jim crow stuff goes. I hate to break it to ya but Republicans are not the only political party involved in Racism. The Democratic party has quite the dirty little history as well. So that little part is null.
Yes, both sides have their evils. But again, this is a satire video specifically against the current Republican regime.

As far as what Cheny has said i didnt hear it. If its in his handwriting or better yet in a video of him saying it i will believe it. But on a side note we havent invaded Iran just Iraq.

Oh really? You will?

Defending Liberty in a Global Economy (http://www.cato.org/speeches/sp-dc062398.html)
Speech given by Dick Cheney to the CATO Institute in 1998, where he advised that we relax sanctions against the country, so that private enterprise could do more business with them and get oil. (These sanctions were bad for Halliburton)

Now, we have the opposite where Cheney has repeatedly suggested further military action against Iran (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/16/usa.iran). I guess it's even easier to do business if you run the country.

Except a few months before 9/11, he said:
Cheney Panel Seeks Review Of Sanctions - UN Security Council - Global Policy Forum (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/gensanc/2001/0419us.htm)

Hey, let's EASE sanctions!

Then 9/11 happened, and Bush said "Okay, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, they're all possible terrorist countries! AXIS OF EVIL!"

And then Cheney took the hard line.

How about 2005?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24677-2005Jan20.html

How about 2007?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/08/071008fa_fact_hersh
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece

Cheney has been beating the "We want Iran's Oil" wardrum for over a decade.

I believe in alot of the things that my partie has done...I just dont believe the liberal medias spin on it. IF you dont believe the liberal media puts spin on the info they put out your in denial. Like for example there is no mention of the impact the surge in iraq has made. I know from speaking to people who have actually been Iraq that its working.

Sure, it's working. But I have to ask you- why did we go into Iraq again in the first place? Wasn't in "Chemical and Biological weapons" and "ties to Al Qaeda"? And now we're there why? To "Liberate the people of Iraq from Saddam?" and "Bring democracy to Iraq?", or has it now changed to "Securing the future of the Iraqi people?". I'm sorry, I get so lost and confused on why the everloving ****ing christ we went there in the first place, that I'm suddenly not even caring WTF we're doing there now.


As for the smoke i guess i will see more of it. Were going to be driving to the sf bay area to check out a used Contour SVT for my gf

Wear a gas mask. :tongue:

[BigBalledOX]

NorCal, if I ever switch sides I'm gonna have a big ol crush on you. :rofl:

[MOMO]

Cheney does not Republican party make.
hes a neo con.

And i dont care if that video was satirical. it still was inflammatory and i personally didnt see it as a joke. (And you guys know how much i hate the current administration.)

[Danef150]

If they're bothered by it, they need to grow up.


Yes, both sides have their evils. But again, this is a satire video specifically against the current Republican regime.

You can say whatever you want with our freedom of speech but dont insult a groupe of people and expect no reaction. It was insulting.

Oh really? You will?

Defending Liberty in a Global Economy (http://www.cato.org/speeches/sp-dc062398.html)
Speech given by Dick Cheney to the CATO Institute in 1998, where he advised that we relax sanctions against the country, so that private enterprise could do more business with them and get oil. (These sanctions were bad for Halliburton)

It seems like he was stating that the economic sanctions placed on iran for doing things we didnt like werent working..Which i believe they werent, Then he goes on to say that they are really only hurting US buisnesses. I get his point do something about the problem...not useless sanctions. Makes sence.

Now, we have the opposite where Cheney has repeatedly suggested further military action against Iran (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/16/usa.iran). I guess it's even easier to do business if you run the country.

Im not a big fan of Iran developing nuclear weapons. If they were as interested in Energy solutions they would have taken a helping hand from one of the many countries who offered to help them develope them.

Except a few months before 9/11, he said:
Cheney Panel Seeks Review Of Sanctions - UN Security Council - Global Policy Forum (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/gensanc/2001/0419us.htm)

This happened befor 911 and the Iraq war which was also befor we knew for sure that they were supporting militants in Iraq. Dont mess up the time line please. Anyways i can see him still wanting to lax sanctions befor 911 and the Iraq war based off the fact that sanctions were worthless. And that the United States was the only company not allowed to do buisness there under the sanctions.

Hey, let's EASE sanctions!

Then 9/11 happened, and Bush said "Okay, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, they're all possible terrorist countries! AXIS OF EVIL!"

And then Cheney took the hard line.

How about 2005?
Cheney Warns of Iran As a Nuclear Threat (washingtonpost.com) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24677-2005Jan20.html)

How about 2007?
Annals of National Security: Shifting Targets: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/08/071008fa_fact_hersh)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece

Cheney has been beating the "We want Iran's Oil" wardrum for over a decade.

Cheny hasnt been beating any wardrum he just wanted sanctions lifted if the US wasnt willing to do anything productive about the problems we had with their government.

Sure, it's working. But I have to ask you- why did we go into Iraq again in the first place? Wasn't in "Chemical and Biological weapons" and "ties to Al Qaeda"? And now we're there why? To "Liberate the people of Iraq from Saddam?" and "Bring democracy to Iraq?", or has it now changed to "Securing the future of the Iraqi people?". I'm sorry, I get so lost and confused on why the everloving ****ing christ we went there in the first place, that I'm suddenly not even caring WTF we're doing there now.

And my favorite topic of all to reply to. Its amazing how short sighted most Democrats are. I mean they forget that their party is also heavily involved in Racism and they also forget that After 911 in which terrorists attacked the US. Iraq also stood up and stopped letting UN weapon inspectors into its country. Violating the treaty placed on it after the first gulf war. If they didnt want to be attacked a simple solution would have been to just let the inspectors in.

[MOMO]

If they didnt want to be attacked a simple solution would have been to just let the inspectors in.

This simply is not true and i dont know why you keep bringing this up. (second time)

I agree with lot of what you are saying tho, Dane, but i do disagree with you on Dick Cheney. He is a war mongering neo con. He would have attacked Iran long time ago if he had the chance.

[Danef150]

MOMO the simple answer if they didnt let the UN inspectors in. They did get attacked. They might have still been attacked had they let the inspectors in, However i think it would have been rather hard to get everyone to concent to invading Iraq if they were following the rules. We cant go back and see because it allready happened this way so you cant tell me that it is intirely untrue. I find it hard that anyone would support war on a country that isnt acting like their hiding something.

BTW...MOMO are you in the armed forces ? I sometimes think you are and sometimes have no idea.

[BigBalledOX]

Cheney does not Republican party make.
hes a neo con.

And i dont care if that video was satirical. it still was inflammatory and i personally didnt see it as a joke. (And you guys know how much i hate the current administration.)

Rich, you're one of the few self-described Republicans I not only respect but genuinely like. But I think you're being a bit naive about the current reality.

You say "Cheney does not a Republican party make. He's a neo con." Your point about his neo-conservatism is an excellent one, but the actions of what currently constitutes the Republican Party simply do not mesh with the traditional platform the party espouses, in particular the actions by the leaders of the party, the current presidential administration.

To put it simply, the Republican Party 2008 is not what the Republican Party used to be in vision and ideals. You can wax poetic about what the "true" Republican Party is and represents until you're blue in the face and Ronald Reagan rises from the dead, but that doesn't change what the current Republican Party actually is.

[MOMO]

Rich, you're one of the few self-described Republicans I not only respect but genuinely like. But I think you're being a bit naive about the current reality.

You say "Cheney does not a Republican party make. He's a neo con." Your point about his neo-conservatism is an excellent one, but the actions of what currently constitutes the Republican Party simply do not mesh with the traditional platform the party espouses, in particular the actions by the leaders of the party, the current presidential administration.

To put it simply, the Republican Party 2008 is not what the Republican Party used to be in vision and ideals. You can wax poetic about what the "true" Republican Party is and represents until you're blue in the face and Ronald Reagan rises from the dead, but that doesn't change what the current Republican Party actually is.

I agree with you.
point i was trying to make was that with the advent of "neo cons", The GOP took a big dive that im sure will be almost impossible to recover from.

When Bush jr was running for president way back when, he actually said, "very limited foreign policy". Look at us now. :rolleyes: We have the biggest foreign policy which is partly responsible (hell, it is responsible) for the economic mess and crashing dollars now.

Point is, when i see this video, it actually doesnt represent me and other republicans who thinks like me... it really represents neo cons power grab thats going on right now.

[MOMO]

MOMO the simple answer if they didnt let the UN inspectors in. They did get attacked. They might have still been attacked had they let the inspectors in, However i think it would have been rather hard to get everyone to concent to invading Iraq if they were following the rules. We cant go back and see because it allready happened this way so you cant tell me that it is intirely untrue. I find it hard that anyone would support war on a country that isnt acting like their hiding something.

BTW...MOMO are you in the armed forces ? I sometimes think you are and sometimes have no idea.


I was in the Army right after HS... man, that was long ago. :rofl:

But Iraq kicking out WI did not start this war. Collin Powell going on U.N. Security council and presenting fabricated "evidence" started this war.
I really dont want to get into it but if you do a quick search, there is ton of info on this. (you can find this stuff on main stream media...not the fringe conspiracy theory wacko website.)

[Danef150]

I was in the Army right after HS... man, that was long ago. :rofl:

But Iraq kicking out WI did not start this war. Collin Powell going on U.N. Security council and presenting fabricated "evidence" started this war.
I really dont want to get into it but if you do a quick search, there is ton of info on this. (you can find this stuff on main stream media...not the fringe conspiracy theory wacko website.)

FrontPage Magazine (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4be67c8a-101f-4bdb-8be7-855dbf1ad099)

I did some research found an interesting read.

[NorCalCoug]

FrontPage Magazine (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4be67c8a-101f-4bdb-8be7-855dbf1ad099)

I did some research found an interesting read.

FrontPageMag.com - SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FrontPageMag.com)

Might wanna check who is responsible for your "media" in the first place.

[NorCalCoug]

You can say whatever you want with our freedom of speech but dont insult a groupe of people and expect no reaction. It was insulting.

Then you're too sensitive. You might want to go get a pacifier and some kleenex for your tears over a humorous video.

It seems like he was stating that the economic sanctions placed on iran for doing things we didnt like werent working..Which i believe they werent, Then he goes on to say that they are really only hurting US buisnesses. I get his point do something about the problem...not useless sanctions. Makes sence.
At the time, he was the CEO of Halliburton. He said that everyone else gets to profit except for US business, so US business should be allowed to profit too. Of course he didn't care WHY we had sanctions against them, and tried to "explain it away" as being ineffective, but really what he said was "ineffective because it only prevents US businesses from doing business with them". Isn't that the ****ing point? Not to cripple them, but to say "You're not nice, so we aren't going to play with you anymore."

Im not a big fan of Iran developing nuclear weapons. If they were as interested in Energy solutions they would have taken a helping hand from one of the many countries who offered to help them develope them.
You know, the majority of the world isn't a big fan of the US developing nuclear weapons. Except we developed them anyway. Why?

Because who the **** are they to tell us what we can and can't do with our own country?.

So, if other people can't tell us what to do with our country, who the **** are we to tell other people what they can and can't do with their country?

I mean, just curious. Do I go to your house and tell you that you can't watch animal porn and smoke cigarettes in your living room while masturbating with a bowl of jello?

No?

Cuz it's none of my business, that's your house. I might not be a big fan of you masturbating with jello to animal porn, but hey, it's not my business.


This happened befor 911 and the Iraq war which was also befor we knew for sure that they were supporting militants in Iraq. Dont mess up the time line please. Anyways i can see him still wanting to lax sanctions befor 911 and the Iraq war based off the fact that sanctions were worthless. And that the United States was the only company not allowed to do buisness there under the sanctions.

Right. Before 9/11, we had no excuse to attack any middle eastern countries, so the best way for him to ensure Halliburton profited was to relax sanctions. Post 9/11, it was easy to endorse attacking the middle east, so that makes it easier to get profits for Halliburton. Why go the hard route when you can take the easier one?


Cheny hasnt been beating any wardrum he just wanted sanctions lifted if the US wasnt willing to do anything productive about the problems we had with their government.

Oh really?
News from Israel: Bush wants to attack Iran soon - War Room - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/20/iran/)
Think Progress » Top Cheney Aide: 2007 Is ‘The Year Of Iran,’ U.S. Attack ‘A Real Possibility’ (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/hannah-iran/)
AFP: Cheney: Iran faces 'serious consequences' over nuclear drive (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5heE937QM6QzE9T5U7wFrft0XfTmA)
Attack Iran? Cheney's Already Tried | ForeignPolicy | AlterNet (http://www.alternet.org/audits/87488/)
Planned US-Israeli Attack on Iran (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO505A.html)
Israel Prodding U.S. To Attack Iran, White House Weighs Striking Iran's Nuclear Complex, Which Could Trigger 3rd War In Region - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/24/eveningnews/main4206201.shtml?source=mostpop_story)
White House Leak: Cheney's Plan for Iran Attack Starts With Israeli Missile Strike | War on Iraq | AlterNet (http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/66157/)

I dunno, looks like a war drum to me.


And my favorite topic of all to reply to. Its amazing how short sighted most Democrats are. I mean they forget that their party is also heavily involved in Racism and they also forget that After 911 in which terrorists attacked the US. Iraq also stood up and stopped letting UN weapon inspectors into its country. Violating the treaty placed on it after the first gulf war. If they didnt want to be attacked a simple solution would have been to just let the inspectors in.

I'm not a registered democrat, nor do I claim to be a democrat. Might wanna refrain from your attempts at attacking my political background and affiliation until you actually know what or who I am. :)

[BigBalledOX]

Just because I'm nothing if not an instigator . . .

How to Speak Republican (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXk4P12p1tU&feature=related)

[DagerOne]

I want to cut out the "host's" tongue in the video that BBOx posted. There's just something wrong with the way he talks...it weirds me out. Seriously.

Oh, I generally lean a bit right of center, but I don't speak Republican like that. *shrugs*

[MOMO]

FrontPageMag.com - SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FrontPageMag.com)

Might wanna check who is responsible for your "media" in the first place.


:rofl:

i noticed. That has got to be the one of the most biased piece ive read in a long time.