I got frauded!

[PREDATOR]

So, I put my old truck rims and tires up on craigslist for $200. The ad was replied to within 10 minutes... the following is the email transactions. The emails read from newest first.

Good Day Mr John,
I want to know if you got the check, because i just recieved a message from my the courie service i used in sending the check that the check was delieved at your font desk.. Please get back to me as soon as possible so we can conclude this transaction in timely manner..Thanks


Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:25:21 -0700
From: drub16@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
To: bshah1903@live.com

Hey Brian,

So, after the check is cleared, you want me to send a money gram to the company in Texas? I can do that, but it will not happen until the check is cleared through my bank.

Just wondering, are you located in Canada? I cheked the UPS tracking and the package intitiated out there... just thought it was weird ;-)

John

--- On Sat, 6/21/08, Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com> wrote:

From: Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com>
Subject: RE: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
To: drub16@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 2:57 PM

Good Day Mr Chmabers,
How was your day.. i m very sorry for the late responce,I got the tracking number for the check from UPS for you to trace track the check (1z75f2380199663352).. You can proceed to cashing the check as soon as you recieve it then you deduct your funds and help me send the excess funds to my shipper as soon as the check clears your bank via Money Gram Money Transfer (hope you know what this is?)....Below is my shipper information to where you send the excess fund as soon as the check clears your bank....you also let me know when you will be available for my shipper to come for the pickup as soon as possible.

Blake Voyles
2600 Southwest Freeway,
Suite 600, Houston,
Texas 77098

Cant wait to read from you soon...Brian




> To: bshah1903@live.com
> Subject: Re: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
> From: drub16@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:10:08 +0000
>
> OK,
>
> My info is as followed:
>
> John Chambers
> xxxx N. xxxxxx Dr.
> Luke AFB, AZ 85309
> 623-xxx-xxxx
>
> Once I receive the payment, I will delete the ad on craigslist (http://www.craigslist.org/).
>
> Also, when you mention excess, how much extra are you talking about?
>
> John
> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:37:30
> To:<drub16@yahoo.com>
> Subject: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
>
>
> Thanks for your reply i got all your information about the rims and am ok with it,i will be making your payment as soon as you get back to me with your full name and address and your valid cell phone number to make the payment via certified check, You dont need to worry about the shippment,i will handle the shipment myself. The check will get to you in 2-3 days and when you received the check you go head in cashing the check at your Bank i will wait for you to confirm and clear the check.The payment will be in excess as i will want you to contact my shipper with the excess fund after you must have confirmed and cashed the check You will send the excess fund to him via Money Gram Money Transfer he needs the money to come and pick the rims up,and let me know when you will be available for them to come and do the pickup..If you have any question regarding this you can IM me on this ID s.brian1910@yahoo.com <mailto:s.brian1910@yahoo.com> for better conversation.You can get the posting deleted from Craiglist.Thanks and God Bless
>
>
> > To: bshah1903@live.com
> > Subject: Re: Super Swampers 36x13.5x16.5 w/ Rims - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
> > From: drub16@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:26:37 +0000
> >
> > Yes, you are actually the first to respond to the AD.
> >
> > John
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com>
> >
> > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:43:00
> > To:<sale-722528427@craigslist.org>
> > Subject: Super Swampers 36x13.5x16.5 w/ Rims - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
> >
> >
> > ** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY
> > ** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home
> > ** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping
> > ** More Info: craigslist | avoiding scams and fraud (http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html) <http://wwwcraigslist.org/about/scams.html>
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I want to ask if the item is still available for sale.Thanks Anyways, I got the check today for $2,450.00 I immediately became suspect. The envelope was shipped from Canada, the check had a California Address, the shipping info had a Texas address and none of the names matched up.

I was suspicious before, from the emails, so that's why I gave the guy my work address.

I gave BofA all of the information and hopefully they catch this guy. They stated getting about 4 fake checks that same day.

So be careful!

[bdiddy]

whoa. wtf

[20cougar01]

good thing you figured something was up. When dealing online I only use paypal. And something like this has happened to a friend of mine when he was trying to purchase a motorcycle and he got taken for a couple grand.

[PREDATOR]

Yeah, I replied to the guy and told him I cashed the check and where would he like the money sent :biggrin: As soon as he responds I'm sending all transactions over to the FBI ;)

[bdiddy]

:rofl: nice

[ice992]

My uncle and grandmother are both FBI, maybe I should have one of them contact you...

that sucks, ive posted so many things on there for sale, and when they reply they always put "the item" they always speak in generalities... good catch john

[PREDATOR]

HaHa, yeah, I know some guys in the counter intelligence task force for the Phoenix sector ;)

Thanks though!

[marinofan]

*makes mental note to never make predator or ice mad at me*

geesh FBI and counter intelligence...

I was going to go into counter intelligence.. But I really couldn't agree that Corian was better than marble. ZING!

[COOGAH]

Tim Richard

[BigBalledOX]

Tim Richard

THERE IS BLOOD ALL OVER MY ****ING SCREEN BECAUSE MY LEFT EYEBALL JUST EXPLODED FROM THE SPIKE IN MY BLOOD PRESSURE, THANKS SAMI! :mad:

[Nezerconezer]

I can never figgure out how people fall for this crap, I mean honestly $2500 check for a $200 item. Come on now.:facepalm:

[aircougar1]

THERE IS BLOOD ALL OVER MY ****ING SCREEN BECAUSE MY LEFT EYEBALL JUST EXPLODED FROM THE SPIKE IN MY BLOOD PRESSURE, THANKS SAMI! :mad:

Yeah Sami... :disgust:

That kid is the Valdemort of NECO (he that shall not be named!!!! )

[burton160w]

I see Frank McKeever tries to scam another one! ARG!

[frenchblueC2]

wtf dude
Why didn't you stop replying to him as soon as you read this part?
The payment will be in excess as i will want you to contact my shipper with the excess fund after you must have confirmed and cashed the check
Have you never heard of these scams before??

[bubby]

When I first started reading this I thought you actually lost money on this. I was like, "Comon man...your smarter than that!" Glad to see I was right. Good catch dude!

[kustomcougar]

its because they say "oh my assistant sent to much, please take out your $200 and send me the rest back, and then you find out the money orders where counterfiet, happened to me a few months ago but i never sent or spent any of the money," i beleive the guys name was john crush on the letter but his email name was ying chung or something, and i called the police and they said there is nothing you can do about about because the guys names are probaly fake, and most of the internet scammers get away with since there in another state or country

[marinofan]

If I read it right it isn't like he REALLY got scammed. LOL

I like getting the Nigeria lottery ones. Sometimes if I'm bored I'll email them for a day or two.

[pgtatx]

My friend was selling his bike online...

He had it up for $6000... a guy contacted him, agreed to the $6,000 and sent a check. The plan was to send the check, then my friend would deliver the bike.

Sounds legit...

Wrong... The Check was a ghost... it was drawn on a fake account, and would more than likely take weeks or months for banks to find out.

He brought the check to the bank to check its validity, and they said it was good... however they did offer to run the check for a fraud check. So he waited a few days and they stated the check may be false, as the activity on that account was suspicious...

In the end, the check was a fake... and he luckily did not deliver the bike.

[Blackcoog]

Lol anytime you get an email about something and they address you as:

"Good Day Mr XXXX"

You know it's coming out of Nigeria. That's when you send back a nice email stating: "suck it, Mr. Nigerian".

[Honzo]

wait, for the little naive kiddy here, how the hell does this scam "work" per say?
who wins and who loses? and how?

[BigBalledOX]

wait, for the little naive kiddy here, how the hell does this scam "work" per say?
who wins and who loses? and how?

You sell item for $200. I send you personal check for $2000, then make up some ruse about why the check is for way the hell over the amount. I ask you to simply cash check and send the difference back to me instead of going through the "trouble" of sending another check.

What you (hopefully) don't know is the check is completely fraudulent, so after you cash said check at your bank and send me the difference, the check is returned to your account and you are hit with a $2000 deduction from your account you have no way of recovering.

[PREDATOR]

I was suspect after the first email, I read about this crap all the time, but I figured I would play along to see how far the guy would go. We'll he's the only one who lost out to the UPS company since he paid for express delivery :rofl:

He actually sent me another email today:


RE: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:09 PM

From:
"Shah Brian" <bshah1903@live.com>
Add sender to Contacts (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqsRC_N6k51_mUmcxRP27edjk70X/SIG=1nk8f21ho/**http%3A//address.mail.yahoo.com/yab%3Fv=YM%26A=m%26simp=1%26e=bshah1903%2540live.c om%26fn=Shah%26ln=Brian%26.done=http%253A%252F%252 Fus.mc544.mail.yahoo.com%252Fmc%252FshowMessage%25 3Ffid%253DInbox%2526sort%253Ddate%2526order%253Ddo wn%2526startMid%253D0%2526.rand%253D1064134734%252 6midIndex%253D1%2526mid%253D1_1513_AIsxvs4AAGvBSGF jEwIKqy7Z5Jk%2526eps%253D%2526prevMid%253D1_669_AI Yxvs4AAOOYSGFngwcI1D3Sb0Q%2526nextMid%253D1_1975_A Iwxvs4AAW0fSGFTVAfUPQCfdNA%2526m%253D1_669_AIYxvs4 AAOOYSGFngwcI1D3Sb0Q%252C1_1513_AIsxvs4AAGvBSGFjEw IKqy7Z5Jk%252C1_1975_AIwxvs4AAW0fSGFTVAfUPQCfdNA%2 52C1_2385_AIsxvs4AAJb%25252BSGFIgQOouD9oVCs%252C1_ 3102_AIUxvs4AANJySGEnIQtOn0FwE0k%252C1_3815_AIMxvs 4AAAmOSGE7fgCfIRCd2JI%252C1_4422_AIsxvs4AAUwmSGD%2 5252FJgAIZm82tOg%252C)

To:
drub16@yahoo.com


Hello.
Did you send the money?..Please get back to me as soon as possible with the information given to you such as the Refrence number and the amount sent. then you let me know when you will be available for my shipper to come for the pickup.. Please get back to me as soon as possible,, Thanks


Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:58:24 -0700
From: drub16@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
To: bshah1903@live.com

Hey Brian, I cashed the check. Where would you like the excess funds sent to?

John

Seriously, I just playing with him now. Just want to see how far he will go :rofl:

[PREDATOR]

I wrote him back...


Hey Brian,

I couldn't find a money gram anywhere around here, I got a money order made out to:

Blake Voyles
2600 Southwest Freeway
Suite 600
Houston, TX 77098

It is in the amount of $2,200.00 I took out my $200 and applied the rest of the funds towards the money order.

I hope this is alright? Also, let me know when your shipper wants to meet up.

Thank You!
John


This is actually pretty fun :rofl:

[Nemesis]

Wow. That is crazy.

[bdiddy]

:rofl:

[Honzo]

You sell item for $200. I send you personal check for $2000, then make up some ruse about why the check is for way the hell over the amount. I ask you to simply cash check and send the difference back to me instead of going through the "trouble" of sending another check.

What you (hopefully) don't know is the check is completely fraudulent, so after you cash said check at your bank and send me the difference, the check is returned to your account and you are hit with a $2000 deduction from your account you have no way of recovering.
wouldn't you wait for the check to clear before you sent money back to him? i still don't get it :confused:

[bdiddy]

wouldn't you wait for the check to clear before you sent money back to him? i still don't get it :confused:

it's a fake check set up to where it originally clears, then u send the excess and ur item to the person, then the bank comes back a week or 2 later saying it was fake, and u have to pay it back.

[BigBalledOX]

wouldn't you wait for the check to clear before you sent money back to him? i still don't get it :confused:

That would be the smart thing to do. Its a play on people's gullibilities.

[Comando489]

what would be really funny was if brian was real and predator ends up scamming him :rofl:

[bdiddy]

That would be the smart thing to do. Its a play on people's gullibilities.

i wouldnt say so much people's gullibility, although that is definitely a part, but most people think as soon as the check clears you are good to go

[BigBalledOX]

i wouldnt say so much people's gullibility, although that is definitely a part, but most people think as soon as the check clears you are good to go

Nah, its pure gullibility. Seriously, when people fall for this, or any other scam, I just can't help but think they must be stupid as ****. Or too greedy for their own good.

[marinofan]

After I got hte check I woulda told him thanks for the tip, now how do you want the items shipped? LOL

[PREDATOR]

Update :biggrin:

Hold up!

Do you want me to send the money or not? Hell, I'll just keep the cash and you'll be out of $2,400!

Now, be calm or else I just won't reply to any of your emails!

John


--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com> wrote:

> From: Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com>
> Subject: RE: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
> To: drub16@yahoo.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:04 PM
> Hello Mr John,
> I told you to send the money via money gram only.. why
> did you send money order?If there is a better way to get
> this back it will be the best.. ok??
>

[Nezerconezer]

You should totally keep the money.

[yankees]

John,
I'm actually receiving emails from the same Brian guy trying to buy my rims and tires from Craigslist. I have been receiving emails that are almost verbatim to what you have posted, even the same misspellings.

He calls himself Brian Smith.

He sent me a check drawn on a BofA acount from a company called World Agape Inc. from Arcadia California.

The only way I found out this was a total scam was I googled the shipper info and saw your post "I got frauded". Thank you so much because you saved me and my family a lot of grief.

This guy needs to be put away. I have all his info.

[BigBalledOX]

You should totally keep the money.

. . . uh, what money?

[kustomcougar]

. . . uh, what money?

ya i agree, i had that happen to me and called the police and they said there is nothing anybody can do because they use fake name and address and everything, the guy who did mine was some chinese name

[burton160w]

Ugh, I work as a member service rep the other day. Older lady in her late 50s comes in with a check for $3600. Not a payroll check. She's not rich. Something doesn't add up.

"Ma'am, if you don't mind me asking, where did you get this check?"

"... Oh, weird story actually. I won the lottery in the United Kingdom. Funny, because I haven't been there in years."

So yes, people fall for this crap all of the time. The scam works exactly like this:

When you cash or deposit a check at a bank, we collect it, put it through your account and what not. Someone picks the checks up and it goes through the Federal Reserve. The reserve amounts of the banks involved are altered and the check gets sent back to the original bank the check is drawn off of where it can be further verified. This process can take up to two weeks or longer.

When you cash or deposit a check at a bank, the teller either puts a hold on it or not. At mine, payroll checks have no holds. Checks drawn off of a local bank (surrounding area banks) will have a 2-day hold and non-local or large sums that seem suspicious will receive a 5-day hold. 2-days is pointless. By the time that clears, I doubt our checks have even been picked up yet. Even 5-days doesn't mean ****. But if we started putting 2-week holds on checks, people would find checks inconvenient and wouldn't use them, which would lessen the money supply.

The scammer will send you the check, which is usually fraudulent or drawn off of a fraudulent account. Larger banks usually have a much more invasive security procedure, but it's quite easy to set up false accounts with smaller institutions. Think local banks and credit unions. The check is for a larger amount then it was supposed to be for. You're supposed to cash the check and send the remainder back to the person. You can even wait for the check to clear from your account. That doesn't mean it's a good check, that just means that the amount of hold time has gone by. You may not find out until three weeks later that Commerce has come back that the check is fraud and they are not going to reimburse your bank for the amount of the check, which is how you get screwed out of the money.

Identity theft is a *****. It's also an incredibly easy way to fraud someone out of money and make others life a living hell. I can't tell you how many times I've gone out in the lobby of where I work to find papers with Social Security #'s, addresses, and account numbers just sitting there on the table waiting for someone else to pick up. It's basically like saying - "Good sir, would you please **** with my life?"

The surefire way to make sure you don't get scammed is cash. If cash doesn't work, request a check drawn off of a local bank or a place with a branch near you. That way you can cash the check AT that branch. Make sure any check you receive you make a Xerox and save it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radioassets/photos/2006/11/1/5340_2.jpg

[Honzo]

you should be like "alright, i've cashed the check. Please allow 2-3 months for everything to clear and then i'll send you your $2k" :biggrin:

[PREDATOR]

John,
I'm actually receiving emails from the same Brian guy trying to buy my rims and tires from Craigslist. I have been receiving emails that are almost verbatim to what you have posted, even the same misspellings.

He calls himself Brian Smith.

He sent me a check drawn on a BofA acount from a company called World Agape Inc. from Arcadia California.

The only way I found out this was a total scam was I googled the shipper info and saw your post "I got frauded". Thank you so much because you saved me and my family a lot of grief.

This guy needs to be put away. I have all his info.
WOW! Glad I could help somebody! :biggrin:

Here's an update: The guy must have googled his crap :rofl:

Anyways, I got the check today for $2,450.00 I immediately became suspect. The envelope was shipped from Canada, the check had a California Address, the shipping info had a Texas address and none of the names matched up.

I was suspicious before, from the emails, so that's why I gave the guy my work address.

I gave BofA all of the information and hopefully they catch this guy. They stated getting about 4 fake checks that same day.

So be careful!


READ THAT YOU FULL.. SO YOU WANNA SCAM ME?? THATS A CHIT AND I WILL GET YOU SOON>> I WILL SEND AM SOMEONE TO GET YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SOON>ok?

Hmm... is that a threat? It's funny how the scammer gets scammed and then gets his panties in a bunch :rofl:

I hope more people google this crap before falling for his stunt again :evil:

[Naturaltal3nt]

i've heard of this **** these people steal money gram checks and money orders and buy cheaper cars like in the 4-5k range with a 6 or 7k check. they tell you to pay the difference and you give them like a grand or two back and then a week or so goes bye and that **** doens't clear even though its a real check and the bank doesn't know til its too late. so you loose your car and a grand and these people walk off laughing its a grimey scam. ****ers

[frenchblueC2]

lol nice threat.
If he's so capable of sending people to harm you and your family, why does he need to scam people for money? why doesn't he just have his minions rob some banks instead. loser

I guess you don't need to tell him to "bring it" cuz he's reading the thread now.

[marinofan]

So you think he would know that the FBI having family members reading this he wouldn't wanna post his threats so obvious. lol
:facepalm:

EDIT: haha I just reread what he said to you..

Hes going to get you full and will send AM someone to you and your family>> ok? Like you're going to respond. Yes thats fine please send someone to get my family. lol

[bdiddy]

:rofl:


that's awesome

[GR02XR]

Watch out! All caps=tough guy....he is SO TOTALLY GONNA :slap: YOU UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

I pity the F O O L.

[Nezerconezer]

. . . uh, what money?

I meant tell him your keeping the fake money. And pretend you holding it hostage.

And how is he going to get you full? Take you to an all you can eat buffet?

[PREDATOR]

Did a little research online and came accross this link on a SAAB forum:

SaabCentral Forums - could this be a scam? (http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1256560)

[Jorgen]

When I was working real estate investment stuff a few years ago we had someone trying to rent one of our properties that we listed on craigslist. They basically did the same thing, my company pays for moving expenses and rent but the first months rent and security are in one large (like $10,000) check can I forward this to you for first, last and security and you retrun the rest to me so I can pay for my moving expenses.

Hmm let me think no thanks ****er, I'll pass on losing like 6 grand by sending you the remainder of a fake check.

[20cougar01]

I was helping a friend sell some stuff on ebay and this exact same thing happened to him 2 times. So I took the liberty and sent the person a email saying hey are you a scammer because I think you are. And they replied saying why would you call me a scammer. Its fun stuff when you catch them and they dont get their way.

[ice992]

:drama: man i love when scammers get pwned :rofl:

[bubby]

Welcome to the 419 Eater (http://www.419eater.com/index.htm)

[rb26deet32]

Anyone who talks like that when they are buying a set of wheels is obviously trying to scam you. It's the people who think they are smart that do these scams. People who just want to buy or sell stuff just put out the basic stuff and talk like a normal conversation.

[PREDATOR]

Hmmm... I might be doing this more often :biggrin:

Anyways, this is probably the last update as I think the guy **** himself after looking at the picture :rofl:

Keep bringing on the threats... adding more fuel to the fire! Hell, here's a picture... come and get me because I'll be ready!!! You better bring more then one because I need the target practice!


--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com> wrote:

> From: Shah Brian <bshah1903@live.com>
> Subject: RE: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)
> To: drub16@yahoo.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 4:05 AM
> Oh nice one.. lets see whos gonna cry soon.. OK? Just wait
> for me. I m starting from your wife.>

Date: Tue, 24 Jun
> 2008 23:06:00 -0700> From: drub16@yahoo.com> Subject:
> RE: ok - $200 (Surprise, AZ)> To: bshah1903@live.com>
> > Bring it MOTHER ****ER! Guess what? All of this has
> been tracked and you will have a nice case file with the
> FBI. I've already contacted my guys in the Counter
> Intelligence... guess you didn't know who you were
> trying to scam! Oh, if I were you, I would move
> far away!


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/1PREDATOR/2-1.jpg

[20cougar01]

haha, truly badass way to show him who he is messing with

[PREDATOR]

I thought so :rofl: Although, I would love the excuse to kill this guy :evil: However mean it might sound. One less scumbag on the streets ;)

[Honzo]

:rofl:
kill him though?

[PREDATOR]

:rofl:
kill him though?
Sure, if he wants to threaten my family because he got caught, I will curb stomp the crap out of him :evil:

[Naturaltal3nt]

haha yes john that rocks. Call me if you need anything man i'm only 15 mins away. I'll come have some fun.

[Honzo]

Sure, if he wants to threaten my family because he got caught, I will curb stomp the crap out of him :evil:
whatever you say


but i'd recommend dual Glock 18c's :evil:

[20cougar01]

take him down and then tape some C4 to his head and wire it to a push button below his leg so he has to hold his leg out and once it drops BOOM al la Punisher. This way you send a message to scammers everywhere

[Naturaltal3nt]

lol i think this thread is getting a little out of hand c4.....dual glocks....torture is more appropriate....:rofl: tie him down and let water drip on his forehead for weeks... sand blasting him in various places....:rofl:

[Darkhorse145]

lol i think this thread is getting a little out of hand c4.....dual glocks....torture is more appropriate....:rofl: tie him down and let water drip on his forehead for weeks... sand blasting him in various places....:rofl:


Personally I think that Bamboo shoots under his finger nails, and papercuts, between the webbing of his fingers and toes, would be great. A nail gun to the knee caps, and then on every knuckle of every finger and toe. Those are just to start him out I have many many nasty painful slow and fast tortures in my book of tricks that wont kill but be very very painful. :evil:

[PREDATOR]

Personally I think that Bamboo shoots under his finger nails, and papercuts, between the webbing of his fingers and toes, would be great. A nail gun to the knee caps, and then on every knuckle of every finger and toe. Those are just to start him out I have many many nasty painful slow and fast tortures in my book of tricks that wont kill but be very very painful. :evil:
OUCH! You had me at papercuts between the fingers and toes :banghead:

[fordrule]

ohhhh noooooessssssss we are getting our own epic thread lol

[20cougar01]

Personally I think that Bamboo shoots under his finger nails, and papercuts, between the webbing of his fingers and toes, would be great. A nail gun to the knee caps, and then on every knuckle of every finger and toe. Those are just to start him out I have many many nasty painful slow and fast tortures in my book of tricks that wont kill but be very very painful. :evil:


:eek: I hope I never make this guy angry at me!

[bubby]

Woman Gets Two Years for Aiding Nigerian Internet Check Scam (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech (http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/147575)