Awd

[J2006]

Is there AWD for the 2.0L cougars?

[Bergie_dark by design]

no

[kustomcougar]

ya, put it in reverse:rofl:

[Gorman]

yes there is for the 2.0L guys.....you need a 4x4 mk1 mondeo...can be had if you wanna ship the whole car ( you need the parts) ... there are some issues to be worked through...but worth trying on a project car...pm me...G.

[J2006]

probobly too too expensive has I live in the states

[Comando489]

probobly too too expensive has I live in the states

what the hell is wrong with you?

[MOMO]

probobly too too expensive has I live in the states

english as second language, are we?:rofl:

[kevxr2002]

actually i thought i read somewhere on teamneco that there is a jaguar model that is AWD that will switch out pretty well. I might be mistaken but I thought thats what I had read before. Of course that was probably more than a year ago I read that.

[B3NN3TT]

:rofl: this thread is loaded with fail.

4x4 indeed :rofl:

[cougarblack]

yea the x-type. and im sure in parts alone, your talking at 3k the tranny is 2k by itself

[Jameson250s]

4x4 cougars FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[elraido]

Do the cougars have a tunnel underneath the car for the driveshaft to go? I know our tours don't.

[-CRAZY-]

there is a tunnel, it probably will fit drive shaft with no problems, but i don't think u'll have room left for the exhaust pipe...

[B3NN3TT]

I heard the 92-95 Jeep Cherokee swaps right in. No modification. :rofl:

[Badazzcougar]

I heard the 92-95 Jeep Cherokee swaps right in. No modification. :rofl:

Nice I wonder if I can do that in a weekend;)

[BigBalledOX]

I heard the 92-95 Jeep Cherokee swaps right in. No modification. :rofl:

Goddammit Andy, you knew that was my secret mod for Cougarfest! :mad:

[Badazzcougar]

Goddammit Andy, you knew that was my secret mod for Cougarfest! :mad:

I know all of your secret mods;)

[Nemesis]

PM MagicHallucinations


Hes done this modification from Level 10, his Cougar was the first prototype with the GX1000 AWD tranny in a Cougar.

[Badazzcougar]

PM MagicHallucinations


Hes done this modification from Level 10, his Cougar was the first prototype with the GX1000 AWD tranny in a Cougar.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[J2006]

I'm not going to do it.

[Bergie_dark by design]

ford escape 4x4, side pipes for exhaust, and a fuel cell...

there ya go... though you'd probably be better off with the jag's wireing for the 3L..



lol, i probably could have done that already for the amount of money i've put into my car now.. :-(.... 10k ish

[Gorman]

ford escape 4x4, side pipes for exhaust, and a fuel cell...the 4x4 mondeo has the fuel tank required...this is why you need the whole car for parts...no idea why certain members are trying to crush this idea...it can be done..this transmission is being put in other cars all the time...G.

[Tygerr]

Mondeo's are sexy.

[MagicHallucinations]

the 4x4 mondeo has the fuel tank required...this is why you need the whole car for parts...no idea why certain members are trying to crush this idea...it can be done..this transmission is being put in other cars all the time...G.


I don't think anyone is trying to crush anything. They just realize that, though possible, it's just impractical. I think everyone knows that anything can be done with enough money. If you want to do it, do it.....I'd love to see a awd 3l turbo cougar:)












PM MagicHallucinations


Hes done this modification from Level 10, his Cougar was the first prototype with the GX1000 AWD tranny in a Cougar.





...ur an ass:rofl:

[Gorman]

ok just for the record...the whole car would be about 1000 bucks plus shipping to the states. The bellhousing/transfer box will only fit the I4..the rest will fit on all models. What is required for V6 is a FWD transfer box to bolt up to the block...G.

[MagicHallucinations]

So it'll bolt up?.....you can import one right now and slap it on with no other modification?

[B3NN3TT]

For the record - "4x4" is an antiquated term that refers to "4 drive wheels and 4 forward gears"...

All-wheel-drive is the preferred term in the 21st century. Especially since the 4-speed transaxle hasn't been produced in quite some time.

[Gorman]

So it'll bolt up?.....you can import one right now and slap it on with no other modification?It will bolt up to an I4. I'm not sure about the pcm. I believe it controls the traction through the ABS. You may need someone to help you with this, otherwise physically it's quite straight foward...G.

[MagicHallucinations]

It will bolt up to an I4. I'm not sure about the pcm. I believe it controls the traction through the ABS. You may need someone to help you with this, otherwise physically it's quite straight foward...G.



Then why hasn't someone done this? Seriously, 1000 bucks for an entire car? My FMIC cost more than that.....

[Gorman]

probably because no one wants to be first. Yes, about 1000 bucks give or take a hundred or so. No idea how much the shipping is though. I'll send an e-mail to the guy i spoke to about this and see what info i can get. If this kicks starts a real effort to get the platform AWD (lol) i'll put the time in...G.

[Bergie_dark by design]

lol, ill throw money towards who ever trys.. :-)

[blustreak]

ok just for the record...the whole car would be about 1000 bucks plus shipping to the states. The bellhousing/transfer box will only fit the I4..the rest will fit on all models. What is required for V6 is a FWD transfer box to bolt up to the block...G.

Where would someone find a FWD transfer box that would work for this app?

[Gorman]

the most likely candidate for the V6 guys is the jaguar x type....not sure about all the details but the jag has the duratec (vvt version) and is transversly mounted..G.

[StealthyWeasel]

Drewmanfu0 knows alot about the potential in this swap, there is an available transfer case you can buy for the MTX-75, btw

[Bergie_dark by design]

We, need to just get some idea's and put together logical, or close to logical ways of getting an awd system.

[SpookSVT]

Re Jag rear suspension and diff...IIRC, sub-frame mounting locations etc.. are not the same as the Contour/Cougar. Save yourself the time of alignment, fab work, etc... of powertrain and suspension and use the rear out of the Mondeo...

I think your best bet is a Mondeo donor car. With the trans, I have no idea if there are significant differences in the case that allow the PTO to mount to it. If that's not the case, and the cases are similar, you might look about swapping the guts from a V6 box into the new AWD trans and the bell housings. Worse case, you fork out the money for a Jag trans...

It comes down to if someone really wants to do this, they are going to have to fork out the dough and do it as all can sit here and speculate and get nothing done. Don't sell yourself short either, research what needs to be done and see if you have the necessary tools, etc.. to go about it.

[Bergie_dark by design]

Nice, now we just gotta get the guys from aussi here to hook us up for where a mondeo would be located forsale..

If the research is done, In sept i'll be able to put another 15k into my car, which i wouldnt hessitate to attempt this on a donor car. If it works i'd just swap my cars suspension and engine over.

[pwhitelock]

I remember one sold on the uk ebay for around £200... thats about $400 i believe ;) From what iv heard though the system can only handle about 250bhp.
Id love to do this as im in the UK but iv got a wedding to save for :rolleyes:Ill keep my eyes on this thread though :)

[Bergie_dark by design]

can anyone comfirm that 250 bhp ?

[pwhitelock]

Ill have a look around the uk mondeo forums for you guys and see what info i can find out.

EDIT: Ok iv posted up asking for info for you guys. But if anyone is seriously considering this then it may be a good idea to join some of the UK forums for info etc.

[Bergie_dark by design]

wat year mondeo transaxle swaps out... or is it the same setup mk1-mk4 ?

[pwhitelock]

The only 4x4 mondeo was the mk1.
Iv ben told the weak link in the transmission is the transfer box that is rated to around 250-260bhp. Aparantly anyway. Still waiting on more info.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

dont forget about US importing regulations. we've had this discussion on CEG many times. at one point someone posted up a link to a list of vehicles that can leagally be imported. The Mondeo was not on that list. IIRC, even if you were only bringing it here for parts, the car had to be on the list OR you had to purchase 3(?). 2 for crash testing, and the one for yourself.

[kpeeks]

That's if its not sold in the US. As the Mondeo is/was sold in the US it should pass right on thru. If it doesn't go thru customs you can still get it shipped to you but in pieces (body, powertrain, etc.) thats perfectly legal. If California will let a Silvia or Type-R Civic/Integra come, a Contour should be no problem.

[Bergie_dark by design]

lol, i wish the mondeo site wasnt a pain to deal with, crappy layout.


If the car cant come, the drivetrain should be able to be shipped alone.


I just put a request in for the mk1 transmission on car-parts.com.


Anyone know of a euro/aus website that's like that ?

[Bergie_dark by design]

was the gahia or si that had the 4x4 offered in manual.. or are they all automatic ?

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

was the gahia or si that had the 4x4 offered in manual.. or are they all automatic ?
IIRC all the 4x4 were either Ghia's or Si's and they were all zetec MTX.

[Bergie_dark by design]

Ghia - 1.8 L/2.0 L Zetec, 2.5 L Duratec V6, 1.8 L turbodiesel, midrange trim level, 4-door sedan, 5-door liftback, estate, optional 4x4 on 2.0L Zetec

Ghia X - 2.0L Zetec, 2.5 L Duratec V6, 1.8L turbodiesel, luxury trim level, 4-door sedan, 5-door liftback, 5-door estate (from 1995), optional 4x4 on 2.0L Zetec


Si - 2.0 L 4-cylinder, 2.5 L Duratec V6, sports version, 4-door sedan, 5-door liftback, estate, optional 4x4 on 2.0L Zetec





Lol, i'm having a problem trying to find this thing, Im getting only fwd auto's everytime i find a mondeo.

[SlowCat]

Cheap car parts, Engines & 4x4 Parts. Find used car parts & car spares from online car breakers (http://www.247spares.co.uk)

There is also UK eBay.

I believe you could use the rear of the Mondeo, and the front from a jag x-type w/ a custom drive shaft to eliminate the transfer case as a weak link.

I did a decent amount of research on this when I first got my cougar :cool:

The easiest would be to import a mk1 Mondeo for "race" purposes, you'd avoid the hassle of importing a car that is not crash test approved.

NO the Mondeo is not on the list of approved cars, it has less front & rear bumper support than the US Contour. So it doesn't pass, it would cost a lot to retro fit Contour parts to 3 cars & then pay for the testing on the other 2 to prove it could meet US standards. :(

Import it as a race vehicle & you can't drive it on roads, but you avoid all that mess, but it must be exported or destroyed within a certain time limit. I don't remember how long though.

Importing just the drive train isn't really a good option, because there could be lots of small parts that would nickel & dime you to death. But when I was looking there were 2 ppl on the Mondeo forums selling everything needed to complete the swap on a later Mondeo. This was 1-2 years ago though.

My ultimate goal w/ a cougar would be 3L, 6 speed & AWD. I'm 1/3rd there, and if I ever had the money I would take it all the way. Good luck to anyone who tries .... If you find a company willing to pickup the car & transport it to America please let me know. I wasn't able to find someone willing to sell one & drop it off for a company to ship, or find a company willing to buy one to import for me... Really all you need is the rear clip w/ gas tank.... Lot of companies import front clips for Japanese cars :disgust: but there is no market for importing the Mondeo, and no companies I could find wanted to help. :banghead:

[StealthyWeasel]

If there's any problems importing the vehicle due to regulations, I can deal with that.

[Bergie_dark by design]

1996 FORD MONDEO GHIA X 4X4 BLUE on eBay, also, Ford, Cars, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 20-Jun-08 17:15:07 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-FORD-MONDEO-GHIA-X-4X4-BLUE_W0QQitemZ260251862196QQihZ016QQcategoryZ9844Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)




about 300$ not to shabby.


Anyone from the uk, wanna call him and ask how much he wants ? Just sent email but a call is gonna get there quicker.

[StealthyWeasel]

I'm keeping that one in mind..

[SpookSVT]

I believe you could use the rear of the Mondeo, and the front from a jag x-type w/ a custom drive shaft to eliminate the transfer case as a weak link.

Can't eliminate the transfer case/PTO or no power to the rear...

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

Can't eliminate the transfer case/PTO or no power to the rear...
hes saying to use the jag transfer case as that would eliminate using the weak mondeo one.

[SlowCat]

hes saying to use the jag transfer case as that would eliminate using the weak mondeo one.

Exactly... I don't know how much it can take, but I'd bet it's stronger than the Mondeo part.

[Bergie_dark by design]

He's asking about 900$ in papers over there.. he just replied..

[MOMO]

Exactly... I don't know how much it can take, but I'd bet it's stronger than the Mondeo part.

iirc, mondeo and jag parts are the same.

[Gorman]

does anyone know what diff..open/torque sensing...is in these gearboxes. Can't see how a stockie would work with a transfer box...G.

[SlowCat]

The Mk1 Mondeo ended in 96, the jag did't start production until 01. It seems odd they would reproduce an old part made for a 2L engine & use it on a 3L. Espesially when the Jag is rated at about 230hp, and the rumoured limit on the mondeo part is 250bhp. I know ford pushes the limits of their transsmissions sometimes, esp slushboxes, but I find it hard to believe they are the same part w/ pictures or part numbers.

From the pictures I've seen it looks like the tansfer case bolts onto the transmission where the passanger side axle normally comes out. I beleve the jag is an open front diff, a 40/60 viscously coupled transfer case & some type of limited slip in the rear. Basically giving 3 wheels power at any one time.

[Blackcoog]

FYI the front subframe on the Jag is sigificantly different in the back to allow the transfercase and driveshaft to go through. It has a hump in it which we don't have in ours. The steering racks would be different as well since it sits on the back of the subframe in that area.

[SlowCat]

Mondeo - BBC

"The four-wheel-drive system of the Mondeo 4x4 is similar to that seen in the recently launched Escort 4x4 but does not incorporate a viscous couple between the front and rear axles.

In order to route the drive to the rear differential, a completely new transfer box has been designed for use in the four-wheel-drive Mondeo - distributing the torque at a ratio of 58 per cent/42 per cent to the front and rear wheels respectively. As in the Escort, torque distribution takes place in the planetary gearset, which has a dual carrier, to ensure the same direction of rotation for front and rear axles."

X-TYPE - Ford - Motor Trend

"features Jaguar’s Traction-4 full-time all-wheel drive system for positive and sure-footed road holding in all conditions. Sixty per cent of torque is directed to the rear wheels, reinforcing the sporting character of the new Jaguar saloon. A viscous coupling senses differences in speed between the front and rear wheels. If wheel slip is detected, torque is transferred via the viscous coupling to the front or rear wheels, providing optimum traction and stability."

"Jaguar's Traction-4 is a full-time all-wheel-drive system and employs a planetary center differential with a viscous coupling to manage power front to back. Traction-4's operation is completely transparent to the driver; its front/rear torque split is 40/60, aimed at retaining a rear-drive feel."


The Jag may use the same case, but it has different gears & some new tricks in viscous coupling as opposed to the Mondeo's full time physical connection.

FYI the front subframe on the Jag is sigificantly different in the back to allow the transfercase and driveshaft to go through. It has a hump in it which we don't have in ours. The steering racks would be different as well since it sits on the back of the subframe in that area.

Yes, the subframe is signifigantly different, but the car overall is signifigantly different.

Does the jag transfercase botled to an MTX-75 interfere with the subframe & current steering rack?

If it doesn't interfere w/ the steering rack then the subframe could be braced & modified. Though even that may be more work than it's worth.

I haven't seen any pictures of the front subframe from a Mk1 Mondeo, but have been told it's for the most part the same as the Mk2 & the AWD system is a fairly easy swap, though it is a lot of parts & takes a decent amount of time.

[Blackcoog]

Does the jag transfercase botled to an MTX-75 interfere with the subframe & current steering rack?I already stated the suframes are different. You can't use a stock Cougar/Contour subframe with the transfercase bolted up to the MTX75. The steering rack and subframe are in the way. Search for pictures online or previous topics posted on this forum. There were pictures posted that show the entire drivetrain. Also a new gas tank would be needed to clear room for the rear diff. The jag has a sadle shapped tank.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

I already stated the suframes are different. You can't use a stock Cougar/Contour subframe with the transfercase bolted up to the MTX75. The steering rack and subframe are in the way. Search for pictures online or previous topics posted on this forum. There were pictures posted that show the entire drivetrain. Also a new gas tank would be needed to clear room for the rear diff. The jag has a sadle shapped tank.
the zetec subframes, at least the pre98 ones, have the hump for the transfer case :biggrin:

also, the mondeo transfer case comes down significantly to help clear the subframe as well.

[SlowCat]

Does the steering rack on a cougar go through a hole that would be taken up by the jag transfer case or what ?

The Subframe isn't an issue if as said the earlier zetec contours have the same subframe as the AWD mondeo's.

[Blackcoog]

The steering rack sits flat on the top of the subframe. If the subframe has a hump then the steering rack we use will no longer work. You'd have to look at an AWD car to be sure.

[BigBalledOX]

The Subframe isn't an issue if as said the earlier zetec contours have the same subframe as the AWD mondeo's.

I think that makes it very much so an issue, as I'm pretty sure the Zetec and Duratec subframes are different . . . unless you wanted to stick with the Zetec.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

I think that makes it very much so an issue, as I'm pretty sure the Zetec and Duratec subframes are different . . . unless you wanted to stick with the Zetec.
AWD Turbo Zetec contour/cougar would be the ****. :biggrin:

and i happen to have a zetec turbo kit for sale :biggrin::biggrin:

[BigBalledOX]

AWD Turbo Zetec contour/cougar would be the ****. :biggrin:

and i happen to have a zetec turbo kit for sale :biggrin::biggrin:

Thats questionable. I prefer my V-6 to begin with. Additionally, the market for Cougars would be extremely small - the Duratec Cougars VASTLY outnumber the Zetecs.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

zetec can make just as much power as the duratec, just takes more boost pressure, which the cast block can handle with a properly built bottom end. even with only 10PSI from a T3 i was faster than NA 3L contours :biggrin: not to mention i got way better gas mileage at 25/28, and i had traction in every gear. :biggrin:

dont forget about the contour market.

[SlowCat]

I think that makes it very much so an issue, as I'm pretty sure the Zetec and Duratec subframes are different . . . unless you wanted to stick with the Zetec.

I thought they were for the most part alike :facepalm:

[StealthyWeasel]

I'd go 4cyl turbo for AWD.

The zetec has alot of support.. an AWD with high boost on a built block will do quite well.

[BigBalledOX]

I thought they were for the most part alike :facepalm:

I definitely don't know for certain - but I remember people talking about going from Zetec to 3L and the subframe being an obstacle.

I'd take my Cougar as its planned over a turbocharged Zetec even with AWD. If I wanted that I'd just buy a Focus.

[Bergie_dark by design]

I definitely don't know for certain - but I remember people talking about going from Zetec to 3L and the subframe being an obstacle.

I'd take my Cougar as its planned over a turbocharged Zetec even with AWD. If I wanted that I'd just buy a Focus.





+1 " A boosted zetec is nothing compared to a boosted 3L" Which is why the Awd is something im desperately trying to figure out with the lack of tractiong rendering modding after 250 hp almost pointless...





So, the subframe isnt a big deal... I mean, if its planned to do a awd swap, there's gonna be a need for welding anyways... so it could be modified..


As for the Steering rack, is there anyway that it could be modified, instead of it laying flat on the subframe...? This seams to be the biggest wall atm..:confused:



The Gas tank isnt a problem, getting a 5 - 10 gallon fuel cell is roughly pretty cheap.. "150 - 250$"... Takeing out that stock gas tank and replacing the fuel cell into the trunk would fix the differential and axel problem.




Gotta think vaugely.. think in a way where money isnt a problem and its just trying to get done.. but once thats figured out, start to make better ways of doing it. This way idea's can be said and other people can chime in on it and mold it into a realistic attempt.

[Gorman]

the Gas tank isnt a problem, getting a 5 - 10 gallon fuel cell is roughly pretty cheap.. "150 - 250$"... Takeing out that stock gas tank and replacing the fuel cell into the trunk would fix the differential and axel problem.use the gas tank in the 4x4 mondeo...it should fit straight in..G.

[StealthyWeasel]

+1 " A boosted zetec is nothing compared to a boosted 3L" Which is why the Awd is something im desperately trying to figure out with the lack of tractiong rendering modding after 250 hp almost pointless...


well a boosted AWD zetec at 20psi, a boosted 3L at 14psi..

+1 for the zetec..

[Blackcoog]

You might as well by a Jaguar X-type and mod it. It would be much cheaper. I picked up a Jagaur AWD setup a while ago and ditched the project after reviewing what would need to be done to the rear end of the car to make it work. The rear of the Jagaur is much different than the cougar and would require significant modifictions. That isn't to say the Mondeo wouldn't be a much better option but shipping overseas may be a hurdle and the components will be out of date. They may not even handle a 3L build. Look into the Focus RWD conversion kits. It may be easier to mod that to work.

[Bergie_dark by design]

i thought the rs kit for the focus was much easier since it had a rwd tranny.

I even know how you would put a rwd tranny on our engines.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

i thought the rs kit for the focus was much easier since it had a rwd tranny.

I even know how you would put a rwd tranny on our engines.
IDK if the 4 cylinder duratec has the same bellhousing pattern. if it does then Q4Rs (http://quad4rod.accountsupport.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1) has a bellhousing to mate a duratec to a T5 trans.

[Bergie_dark by design]

;)i didnt think you could mate up a lateral engine.. "or watever you want to call ours", To a rwd tranny based on the fact the tranny would be sideways for the driveshaft.. the engine would have to be tip'd 90 degree's for a rwd swap to work.

[sonza68]

I figured that would have been assumed. Unless there is another RWD Focus conversion, it tosses the I4 for a V8 as well.

[CheeseEater88]

wow, I started a thread for AWD last fall and I got shot down by everyone who posted on it; what the fudge??

and yeah, the torque specifications if right approx 250 ft-lbs... would not really be worth it.... a lot more parasitic loss coupled with a step down in capability, the hundred or so pounds of additional weight... ehh, not looking so good as it once did....


it be nice to see if the mondeo forums have any transmission mods for the 4x4 verion ie. better torque spec... or if they could tell us where the known weak points are just so people can go about aftermarket/custom ways of fixing issues

if it could be built to handle 400ft-lbs :drool: just thinking about AWD burnouts
but in anycase Zetec FTW!

and I would say a Zetec could beat a duratec cougar.... if they are similarly modded (as hp for hp) the zetec should win almost every time.... 200lbs of weight difference being a big factor. Though the boost is going to be through the roof :rolleyes: unlike the 3L...
though by the same token the contour should be faster yet


I still like my zetec though it may not beat a stock factory z06 @ 10.7 secs with only tires...:rolleyes:
atleast my insurance is cheeper

[B3NN3TT]

and I would say a Zetec could beat a duratec cougar.... if they are similarly modded (as hp for hp) the zetec should win almost every time.... 200lbs of weight difference being a big factor.

Cast-iron block FTL.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

Cast-iron block FTL.
A full zetec weighs ~100Lbs less than a full duratec. :tongue:

a zetec contour weighs ~300lbs less than a v6 contour.

the engines are approximatly the same length but the V6 has a whole extra bank of cylinders.