Cost for 3L?

[h-town-cougar]

I have found a couple 3L for sale locally... Two in mind are 2002 Ford Taurus/ Mercury Sable engines. One has 81,000 miles on it for $300 and the other only has 68,000 for $475. If I bought one, what would the cost be of getting it ready to drop in my car? I also have SVT LIM, UIM, and TB.... and Weapon-R headers & y-pipe!

[h-town-cougar]

and no prices added for tranny please! Just the motor, etc.

[Jameson250s]

search button.... try it.

[BigBalledOX]

search button.... try it.

That was an extremely useful post and I surely wish we could get more like it around here. :rolleyes:

You doing the work yourself? Labor's usually the priciest part.

[jaged]

$6k if you buy echomans car.....

anywhere from $300-500. buy a new set of bearings for it and you should be good. labor is your biggest cost, but its doable yourself if youve got the right tools

[h-town-cougar]

search button.... try it.

I know this! I'm not a noob... I just want real answers.. Suggestions for what NEEDS to be done. and/or recommendations to consider. Necessities. I don't feel like reading threw a TON of threads and finding different parts on different list! Thats why I aksed

So Jamesson... Stay out please. I have already had UN pleasant encounters with you!

[h-town-cougar]

That was an extremely useful post and I surely wish we could get more like it around here. :rolleyes:

You doing the work yourself? Labor's usually the priciest part.

Yes, labor would be done myself or maybe even with the help of my brother "ilovemycar". He knows what needs to be done but I'm just asking for things from you guys.. I just have not gotten a list from him yet

[h-town-cougar]

$6k if you buy echomans car.....

UHHHH..... NO!!! I like his car, but I already have a coug! LOL

[jaged]

UHHHH..... NO!!! I like his car, but I already have a coug! LOL

so? always room for one more

[h-town-cougar]

so? always room for one more

You going to buy it for me?

ANYWAYS.... Stick to SERIOUS answers please!

[gamiller]

you need to decide some things before people can throw numbers at you. we know you're using a 3.0 short block. are you going to use the 3.0 or 2.5 heads? are you going to use the 3.0 or 2.5 UIM? are you going to have the heads ported? are you going for an NA motor or an FI motor? of course the cheapest swap (considering parts) is 3.0 block + 3.0 heads + 3.0 UIM, but the cheapest swap (considering labor) is the 3.0 block + 3.0 heads + Nautilus LIM + 2.5 UIM.

if you need help deciding what combo to use... search on "hybrid swap" or "full swap" or "straight swap". also be sure to search on CEG Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/) for how-tos and parts lists.

[h-town-cougar]

you need to decide some things before people can throw numbers at you. we know you're using a 3.0 short block. are you going to use the 3.0 or 2.5 heads? are you going to use the 3.0 or 2.5 UIM? are you going to have the heads ported? are you going for an NA motor or an FI motor? of course the cheapest swap (considering parts) is 3.0 block + 3.0 heads + 3.0 UIM, but the cheapest swap (considering labor) is the 3.0 block + 3.0 heads + Nautilus LIM + 2.5 UIM.

if you need help deciding what combo to use... search on "hybrid swap" or "full swap" or "straight swap". also be sure to search on CEG Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/) for how-tos and parts lists.

Thanks Gamiller! As far as I know of right now, I would like to have it ported. Also would it be better to use the SVT UIM,LIM or just the stock 3L stuff? I thought having it ported to match the SVT stuff would be good. But I've never done the swap. SO.... Thats why I'm just asking for options and/or prices

[jaged]

svt uim is going to give your a similar powerband range as the 2.5. the 3l uim will work with a lower end power range

[fordrule]

buy some svt cams, all gaskets,bearings, oil pan and rebuild it. buy the cheaper one. buy the NPG LIM mod and then u dont have to worry about porting the heads.

gary i am positive he is doing a ported 3L.

[Rikenbomb]

Also would it be better to use the SVT UIM,LIM or just the stock 3L stuff?

No. In fact it's better to use the the 3L intake.

You'll be better off trying to find an '04+ taurus/sable engine. A 3L swap is not cheap nor easy by any means.

[gamiller]

h-town: i know searching is painful, but if you don't do it you're just gonna get a bunch of opinions. if you want to see some sort of consensus, you're gonna have to go through long threads where people argue about the different options, pointing out the pros and cons. read about why people with turbos are using the 3.0 heads. read about why some people prefer the 2.5 UIM to the 3.0 UIM. read about why some say the new 2005 3.0 UIM might be the best one yet. most of the good threads on this subject are at CEG Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/)

[h-town-cougar]

buy some svt cams, all gaskets,bearings, oil pan and rebuild it. buy the cheaper one. buy the NPG LIM mod and then u dont have to worry about porting the heads.

gary i am positive he is doing a ported 3L.

How much does the NPG LIM cost?

[gamiller]

buy the NPG LIM mod and then u dont have to worry about porting the heads.

you mean if he buys the NPG LIM mod then he won't have to worry about port-matching the heads. he might still want to port the heads for higher flow, especially if he's going FI.

How much does the NPG LIM cost?

check the website. damn. Nautilus Performance Group (http://www.nautilusperformance.com)

[jaged]

google + Nautilus Performance= $325

[h-town-cougar]

Yes, I understood the port-matching! Thats what my brother was last doing to his 3L sitting in my garage... It's good to know there is another method. but what does the NPG LIM mod cost? and does that mean it matches the holes for the SVT UIM?

[h-town-cougar]

google + Nautilus Performance= $325

Thanks for the price Jaged

[h-town-cougar]

Ok. So $300 for the engine. Possibly $325 for the NPG LIM. How much to port the heads? I already have the SVT UIM & TB. I'm being lazy... What else besides new gaskets and stuff? I just read a couple threads so I did see the price list for Fordrule and one other.
Instead of the escape oil pan, dip stick, pick up tube. I could use the 2.5 right?!

Anything else? Any other suggestions?

[Rikenbomb]

For other insight on 3Ls you can also go to Ford Contour & Mercury Mystique Forums - FordContour.Org (http://www.fordcontour.org)

[fordrule]

ur looking around at least 1500 for the swap, if u buy the 02. gaskets, possible headwork. basically to rebuild the entire engine and also if u want to add svt cams

[h-town-cougar]

ur looking around at least 1500 for the swap, if u buy the 02. gaskets, possible headwork. basically to rebuild the entire engine and also if u want to add svt cams

Thats what I figured... A little at a time! HAHA

[gamiller]

if you want a quote on porting the heads, you need to PM Kinger. he's the only person i know of who offers this service.

[h-town-cougar]

if you want a quote on porting the heads, you need to PM Kinger. he's the only person i know of who offers this service.

Don't some shops do that too? Haha

[gamiller]

yeah, but i was anticipating your question about which shops do it.

[h-town-cougar]

I think we have one or two here locally... I'll have to check with my brother but I'm pretty sure there is!

[Naturaltal3nt]

you can search all the threads and take notes?? :rolleyes::rofl:


haha got ya biotch thanks for that text too ass!

[h-town-cougar]

you can search all the threads and take notes?? :rolleyes::rofl:


haha got ya biotch thanks for that text too ass!

HAHA, Which one? The kid giving you the middle finger. :rofl:

[Naturaltal3nt]

Yea we were slammed here at work and i'm like wtf!? that bastard! :rofl:

[h-town-cougar]

Yea we were slammed here at work and i'm like wtf!? that bastard! :rofl:

LOL, Thats funny! I know it cursed too but I don't remember what it said exactly

[Naturaltal3nt]

when you decide which 3L your getting buy the other one for me k? you can pay the shipping on it too... its ok i talked to dad about it he said yea go ahead! :rofl:

[h-town-cougar]

when you decide which 3L your getting buy the other one for me k? you can pay the shipping on it too... its ok i talked to dad about it he said yea go ahead! :rofl:

LOL, How about you just Google LKQ and find a local yard near AZ or something. Since your going out that way ;)

[Naturaltal3nt]

cause the az guys prolly bought them all! :facepalm:

[h-town-cougar]

cause the az guys prolly bought them all! :facepalm:

LKQ Parts Lookup (http://www.lkqcorp.com/location/fSearch.asp?L=34)


There ya go! ;)

[Naturaltal3nt]

yea thanks guy i k how to search dick...:rofl:

[h-town-cougar]

yea thanks guy i k how to search dick...:rofl:

Well the link was actually supposed to be a list of the 2002 3L engines for sale at the yard in Phoenix,AZ. But the link doesn't save the page I had up and makes you re-do the search. Sorry

[StealthyWeasel]

For a low price and reliability.. I suggest-

A 3L under 20k (I suggest low miles..) - $500-600
SVT Cams- $150 (use your timing, or buy new stuff, otherwise keep the 3L cams)
Port heads yourself, JBweld the vallies = Free
Motor mount - Free if you use it from your 2.5, or around $30-50 otherwise. You can grind it in such a way so that you won't need to take the heads off.
Gaskets, fluids, etc - $200-400

This is the method I went.. it was cheap, makes 215whp, and has lasted over a year and over 30k miles that i've put on it as a DD

[gamiller]

as i was saying before, searching the CEG is your best bet. here's my final post in this thread:

Basics for Beginners - 3l hybrid swap - CEG Forums (http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?t=26823)

[spridget]

Find the least expensive, lowest miles '01-03 3L. $200-500 tops. '04-05 3L's are nice, but are going to cost more, and if you don't plan on using the '04-05 UIM, there's not much point in purchasing one. There's no need in replacing the bearings if it's a clean low miles engine. That's an unnecessary expense.

Re-use your oil pan and pickup tube. The tube bracket will need a minor mod to work. You'll need to cut and weld together the 3L EGR tube to the 2.5L EGR tube. The fuel rail will need a return line if your car is pre-'00. You can purchase the newer upper engine bracket and grind it down to fit between the heads... save the time and money of removing the heads. I would purchase a front cover gasket and seal set, not expensive.

DIY, easily under $1000.

[StealthyWeasel]

Find the least expensive, lowest miles '01-03 3L. $200-500 tops. '04-05 3L's are nice, but are going to cost more, and if you don't plan on using the '04-05 UIM, there's not much point in purchasing one. There's no need in replacing the bearings if it's a clean low miles engine. That's an unnecessary expense.

Re-use your oil pan and pickup tube. The tube bracket will need a minor mod to work. You'll need to cut and weld together the 3L EGR tube to the 2.5L EGR tube. The fuel rail will need a return line if your car is pre-'00. You can purchase the newer upper engine bracket and grind it down to fit between the heads... save the time and money of removing the heads. I would purchase a front cover gasket and seal set, not expensive.

DIY, easily under $1000.

100%, there we go. Theory is good.

[h-town-cougar]

Thanks for the input Steathly & Spridget! :)

[h-town-cougar]

Lock or delete please

[fordrule]

remember u can use the LIM mod from nautilus and you DONT have to ort match ur heads to the SVT parts. since ur bro knows how to tune the secondaries out . u dont have to worry about port matching the SVT LIM to the heads because you wont be using them or even have the IMRC to worry about also