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Gorman
05-16-2008, 08:36 PM
my tranny is coming to the end of its life (aahhh). I would like to replace it with an ST220 6 speed. I know the speed sensor is different..is it possible to revert it back to the type in my 5 speed. Are there any other issues i need to over come to get this done ?...G.
is st220 even available in the States?
Gorman
05-16-2008, 09:06 PM
anything is possible..this week i was talking to a guy who has the 4 wheel drive setup for the 2.0L guys..i just need to know if a 6 speed transmission from a 3.0L duratec will bolt up and link up to the 2.5L... G.
StealthyWeasel
05-19-2008, 08:12 AM
If you're going that far you should save for a 3L to mate to it.
bensenvill
05-19-2008, 03:06 PM
I was under the impression the axle lengths were different....
SlowCat
05-19-2008, 06:11 PM
I'm pretty sure they are different ... The transmission is slight different in size, but yes you can make it work.
I believe Terry Haines went through everything to make a conversion kit, but decided not to because of the cost of the transmission. I can only imagine what shipping would be on one. He would be the person to email for the details about using one.
MagicHallucinations
05-19-2008, 06:24 PM
I was under the impression the axle lengths were different....
You could solve that by purchasing the hubs, rotors, calipers, etc. How much is the 6spd transmission just out of curiosity?
You could solve that by purchasing the hubs, rotors, calipers, etc. How much is the 6spd transmission just out of curiosity?
bet it wouldnt be that much... but shipping would double the price, i bet.
canadiancougar
05-19-2008, 06:32 PM
Good luck getting info including prices from overseas on any ST220 parts. I've emailed so many different places in regards as to where to get ST220 manifolds, TB's and other parts but have had no luck.
SlowCat
05-19-2008, 06:32 PM
bet it wouldnt be that much... but shipping would double the price, i bet.
I would agree ... Shipping would be horrible, Just getting an intake shipped was over $200 & that is much ligher & smaller than a full transmission.
MagicHallucinations
05-19-2008, 06:35 PM
bet it wouldnt be that much... but shipping would double the price, i bet.
I paid about 150 bucks to have a 5spd shipped to me freight. That was the 5spd box, all 4 axles, rear diff, clutch disc, flywheel, pressure plate, and some little misc parts.
I would agree ... Shipping would be horrible, Just getting an intake shipped was over $200 & that is much ligher & smaller than a full transmission.
What?? Someone screwed you, it should not have been that much.
SlowCat
05-19-2008, 06:48 PM
What?? Someone screwed you, it should not have been that much.
Actually I checked on shipping to the UK using DHL, UPS & Fedex ... all 3 were more than what I paid....
If it were in the states yes, but coming from the UK, and with the horrible exchange rate of about 2:1, it was just about the best I could get... unless I wanted to wait 30 days to get the intake.
Back to the point.
If you want to know exactly what it'll take to make the 6 speed work in a cougar email Terry. He is the best person to give you the info you need.
MagicHallucinations
05-19-2008, 06:52 PM
omg....I'm hoping you mean intake manifold and not just an intake. Please tell me it was a manifold.
SlowCat
05-19-2008, 06:54 PM
Yes it was for an ST220 UIM & TB. :rofl:
I paid about 150 bucks to have a 5spd shipped to me freight. That was the 5spd box, all 4 axles, rear diff, clutch disc, flywheel, pressure plate, and some little misc parts.
from where?
and how long did it take?
its costing me out the butt to get my wheel and tire shipped to me.
MagicHallucinations
05-19-2008, 07:06 PM
from where?
and how long did it take?
its costing me out the butt to get my wheel and tire shipped to me.
Wisconsin to NC and it took 3 days. My wife shipped 30lbs worth of computer equipment from NC to eastern Europe and it cost her 80 bucks.
SlowCat
05-19-2008, 07:54 PM
$80 to send .... If it cost them 60GBP it would be about $120. I don't know the weight of the UIM, but from the estimates I got on my own that was AVERAGE. Like I said I checked UPS, FedEx, and DHL ... all thre were about the same as what I paid, slightly more actually.
After finally finding & getting one though I may not end up being able to use it, which would suck, but may be good for someone else on here. :banghead:
A 6 speed would be nice, but expensive... AWD would amazing :evil: Screw wheelhop & weigth transfer stealing your traction lol.
Gorman
05-19-2008, 08:22 PM
thanks for the feedback guys....i have seen 6 speed boxes for 600 bucks, with ave. 50k on them. I haven't seen ST220 manifolds anywhere..dealership only at the moment. I tried to sign up to contour.org weeks and weeks ago...no confirmation e-mail so far...so i don't have easy access to terry haines.
SlowCat
05-19-2008, 09:00 PM
His email is secondline@ameritech.net ;) Hope it helps. Do you live in the UK or Europe ?
Gorman
05-19-2008, 09:27 PM
His email is secondline@ameritech.net ;) Hope it helps. Do you live in the UK or Europe ?Thanks for that...yes..i'm in the UK...G.
SlowCat
05-19-2008, 11:56 PM
Thanks for that...yes..i'm in the UK...G.
Well Shipping won't be an issue then :cool:
You could check Cheap car parts, Engines & 4x4 Parts. Find used car parts & car spares from online car breakers (http://www.247spares.co.uk/) for parts.... thats how I found my ST220 UIM, then found someone to help ship it over since no place wanted to deal with it.
Adding a 6spd or AWD would be easier for you, still not easy obviously, but at least there isn't the huge shipping hurdles to get the parts.
Gorman
05-20-2008, 05:26 AM
well; if you guys want parts shipped over...i could double check to see if the shipping costs you are being quoted are over the top...lmk...G.
Designated_Drifter
05-20-2008, 08:45 AM
Okay so would this hole process would be possiable to do to an automatic?
cause i know you can swap to a manual with some hard work and a know how about what your doing.
MagicHallucinations
05-20-2008, 08:50 AM
thanks for the feedback guys....i have seen 6 speed boxes for 600 bucks, with ave. 50k on them.
600.....my god that's cheap. I paid significantly more for an 06 wrx 5spd with 13k on it. The STi 6spd was even more but it's worth every penny.
Is that 6spd any stronger than the 5?
Gorman
05-20-2008, 10:11 AM
first of all, i don't think an ST220 box is in the same league as an STi box. Second, i don't think the 6 speed is any stronger....it just keeps you in the powerband without having to rev the thing to the limit to keep the rev's up in the next gear...G. btw..i've contacted terry haines...awaiting a reply.
SpookSVT
05-20-2008, 09:08 PM
I don't correctly recall the ratios in the 220 box but I don't remember the gear spacing being much tighter than the MTX75. You most likely gain a taller overdrive and closer 4th and 5th.
FWIW, I think a better return on investment would be to clock the engine 90* or look about a Jag powertrain as even with six gears you're still stuck with FWD.
Gorman
05-20-2008, 09:51 PM
Durashift Six Speed Manual Transmission (For Duratec SCi and Duratec V6 models) Gear Ratios
1st 3.231
2nd 2.048
3rd 1.423
4th 1.129
5th 1.029
6th 0.886
Reverse 1.360
Final DriveSet 4.357 (1/2/3/4) 3.050 (5/6/ rev)
Durashift five-speed manual transmission
ST220 MTX75 Gear Ratios.... 1st 3.417... 2nd 2.136 ...3rd 1.483 ...4th 1.114 ...5th 0.902 ...Reverse 3.620 ...Final Drive 3.560
can anyone do the math....revs after shift at 6750rpm in each gear....G.
Gorman
05-23-2008, 08:01 PM
FWIW, I think a better return on investment would be to clock the engine 90* or look about a Jag powertrain as even with six gears you're still stuck with FWD.Oh i would love to fit the Jag four wheel drive setup...this is my daily driver though...i'll have to wait until i have another car.
I spoke with TH about the 6 speed..he said it fits..it requires modified mounts ( which he has) and that he can make it work !... so the search for a box and diff is on....G.