so timing belt broke today

[luvmy99cougar]

so i get in my car start it up, and let it warm up for a few minutes, put it in drive and take off, then i hear like a *thud, phfff!* sound and the car dies, i try turinging over for a second and its cranking fast im like great, timing belt broke. so i had to push it to the side of the street and i was late for work obviously. so now i guess im jump started on my turbo build. the other motor is practically done, just gotta do oil pump and lower crankcase and head and accesories, maybe a 4 hour job, then disconnect everything on the car and pull the old motor out. then do all the fab work, so in 3-4 weeks, itll be done! so im glad i bought the motor when i did, and for only 200 bucks it was a great deal! so now i have to drive my dads big ass diesel dodge ram 2500 big horn, 8 foot bed, full extended cab, bully dog programmer :) yea... its REALLY fast, like 14.1 in the quarter mile with mud tires. but i shall miss the cougar until shes beefed up and ready to kick ass!

[mellott73]

:eek: cougars dont have timing belts

[B3NN3TT]

Zetecs do.

Which is why this is in the Zetec section.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

:eek: cougars dont have timing belts
I swear some of you guys never look at what section your in. THIS IS THE ZETEC SECTION. ZETECS HAVE TIMING BELTS. now that thats out of the way :tongue::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:


If you have any questions or need some tips on how to route plumbing etc just shoot me a PM. i will suggest that you get the new engine finished, put it in the car and drive it for a couple hundred miles to get it good and broken in and to make sure everything is perfect. this also gives you the opurtunity to use the old engine for fabricating everything on.

[mellott73]

hahahaha im sorry :( wheres it say the section when its in the new post section? ive been here for a while and never knew there was such a thing

edit: nvm i found it ha i learned something new today

[GTownCougar]

When you're in the thread and as your typing for new post its in the upper(ish) left. And that sucks, how many miles were on it? I'm up to 124K and getting a bit worried about it.

[2C0UGAR00]

When you're in the thread and as your typing for new post its in the upper(ish) left. And that sucks, how many miles were on it? I'm up to 124K and getting a bit worried about it.

i'd get ready to change yours soon mine went out at 126,000

[GTownCougar]

I've looked at it a couple times lately and it seems alright. I really don't know how it should look though, but it didnt seem worn and it didnt look cracked or anything.

[cbman]

Hey, that's good news if your going to be turbocharged sooner!

3 to 4 weeks seems pretty optimistic for swapping an engine and doing the fabrication. Unless you don't have a full-time job. Do you need a flow curve for that MAF? I forgot if I gave you one.

Are you going to do anything to strengthen your ATX?

[2girls1fork]

So, if the zetecs have t-belts, then the 2.5 duratecs have timing CHAINS, right?

[boarder4life]

So, if the zetecs have t-belts, then the 2.5 duratecs have timing CHAINS, right?

yes

[brapple]

the belt normally isn't the problem. I changed the timing belt in my 95 at 104k and the belt looked really good. What didn't look good was the plastic pulleys for the timing belt. My tensioner was about to split in half and all of them where worn flat where they should of had raised sides to give the pulley a V like shape.

Again here I am just shy of 100k later and the belt looks great. I have to dig alittle more and see how the pulleys look. But then again the car is just a daily drive to and from work and around town for the most part so if it the belt lets go I am not that worried about it at this point in time with 200k ....

[kanistre]

I had my timing belt swapped @ 130,000 miles; had a LOT of horizontal cracks on it, which were plain as day to see. If you're at or above 100k and you have the money to do it, get it done (tensioner pulleys too), just for peace of mind.

[Jorgen]

Not the same car but my dads 1999 zx2 with a zetec (I think it is the same zetec) just popped his water pump at 60k miles (yes a 99 with 60k miles on it, he doesn't drive much) which ended ups taking out the timing belt it sounds like. It isn't so expensive to replace these belts and worth the piece of mind to do the whole kit and keep the car running.

[kanistre]

just popped his water pump at 60k miles (yes a 99 with 60k miles on it, he doesn't drive much) which ended ups taking out the timing belt it sounds like. It isn't so expensive to replace these belts and worth the piece of mind to do the whole kit and keep the car running.

Really? :confused: The water pump would pretty much have to explode to do damage on the timing belt (timing belt is completely covered). Do you mean the serpentine belt? And yeah, only 60k on a water pump is crazy! Mine made it to 132k; started leaking, so I swapped it.

[luvmy99cougar]

im leaving the atx alone, besdies a trans cooler. ive talked a bunch of shops and they say it should be fine with the power goals i have in mind, as long as i dont burn out all the time of course. i dont think ill have much of a problem getting it in in 4 weeks. i would say one night on finishing the motor. crank and pistons are already in and torqued. pulling the old one shouldnt be a huge deal, prolly a weekend to do it. and im planning on driving with the new one for a week or so then throwing the turbo at it. but while its down im going to do all the fab work, or mainly the manifold and some of the piping. its gonna be fun! ill try to take lots of pics too. also mine broke a lil after 116,000, and i also have an oil leak somewhere which might have helped that belt break.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

im leaving the atx alone, besdies a trans cooler. ive talked a bunch of shops and they say it should be fine with the power goals i have in mind, as long as i dont burn out all the time of course. i dont think ill have much of a problem getting it in in 4 weeks. i would say one night on finishing the motor. crank and pistons are already in and torqued. pulling the old one shouldnt be a huge deal, prolly a weekend to do it. and im planning on driving with the new one for a week or so then throwing the turbo at it. but while its down im going to do all the fab work, or mainly the manifold and some of the piping. its gonna be fun! ill try to take lots of pics too. also mine broke a lil after 116,000, and i also have an oil leak somewhere which might have helped that belt break.
4 weeks is more than enough time to get it done. i had mine done in about that time (or less) with only a few hrs at a time. :shrug:

what manifold, turbo and wastegate are you going to be using?

[Jorgen]

Really? :confused: The water pump would pretty much have to explode to do damage on the timing belt (timing belt is completely covered). Do you mean the serpentine belt? And yeah, only 60k on a water pump is crazy! Mine made it to 132k; started leaking, so I swapped it.

Might be something different then. I have't seen the car yet but my understanding form the tow guy who my parents left their car with when they rented a car and left the state was that it was a siezed pump and it killed the belt. Maybe ZX2's build out different somehow.

[luvmy99cougar]

the log style from jgs, crappy turbo and wastegate... xs power... but itll show me how the car will run and drive and if all works out well, im either getting a garret or turbonetics 50 trim.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

the log style from jgs, crappy turbo and wastegate... xs power... but itll show me how the car will run and drive and if all works out well, im either getting a garret or turbonetics 50 trim.
when you go to the garrett/turbonetics go straight for the super 60. forget the 50 or 60 trims, you wont be disappointed. also, send me a PM before you buy one and ill send you a link to where i got mine for a damn good price.

[luvmy99cougar]

ok cool, and could u also send me some pics of your intercooler pipe routing, ive got a good idea of how to run mine but id like to see some pics of how you ran yours. thanks.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

the car is on jack stands at the moment so i should be able to get you some tomorrow (as long as i dont forget :D) keep in mind that i removed my AC system so i ran my piping to the front through the opening left by the AC dryer. 2.5" piping wont fit between the lower radiator hose and the subframe (2" should clear though) to go towards the passenger side, although with your turbo being higher you might be able to go above?

[luvmy99cougar]

i dunno i guess ill find out. my buddy painted my valve cover yesterday with some airbrushing, make sure u check it out. my photobucket link is in my profile.

[cbman]

I was able to fit a 2.5" downpipe w/ my A/C still there. I also have the JGS log manifold.

[luvmy99cougar]

hey cbman, do u have any pics of your intercooler piping that i could see as reference also?

[cbman]

They aren't the greatest pics, but here you go. I might be able to take some more pics if you need them.

Heres a pics I already posted: here (http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachments/2-0l-zetec-performance/25736d1154586450-engine-go-my-turbocharger-pict0372.jpg)

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

They aren't the greatest pics, but here you go. I might be able to take some more pics if you need them.

Heres a pics I already posted: here (http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachments/2-0l-zetec-performance/25736d1154586450-engine-go-my-turbocharger-pict0372.jpg)
you went around the passenger side with the intercooler piping? i would like to see better pictures of that part of the routing if you can.

i should be taking the front bumper off tonight so i will get some pics up of mine then.

[luvmy99cougar]

cool thanks guys. cbman, the way youve got yours from what i can see is the way i had pictured doing it in my head.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

finally got pics for you.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/SSPX0195.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/SSPX0194.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/SSPX0191.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/SSPX0192.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/SSPX0193.jpg

[luvmy99cougar]

cool thanks much man.

[merlin]

Live in Scotland UK, 9 months ago replaced cam belt on my 2.0 litre Zetec MTX @ 100,000 miles, replaced previously at 57,0000 miles both by dealer.

Handbook says 80,000 miles or 5 years, for change, but UK Cougar Forum says 60,000 miles, (but better do it at 40,000 miles) and my Ford dealer says the one they have just fitted for me includes new kit with belt and tensioner all modified and good for 100,000 miles which should now outlast the car.

Now already at 110,000 miles

Don't know what to believe !

Any suggestions ?:confused:

[GTownCougar]

I know you have 20K less miles on your car than I do, you've replaced the belt twice, and I have yet to do it.

[merlin]

I have my doubts about the Ford dealers in UK hyping this up, for more work/money (gouging).

Maybe in the past (10 years ago) it was considered desirable to do this, but with better (quality control) manufacturing of belts and modified idler/tensioners, I reckon 100k SHOULD be fine.

Again I keep hearing conflicting stories that if a 2.0 litre Zetec engine snaps a belt, the engine is a write-off, as it is an iterference-fit engine....other folks say "baloney" it will survive OK.

Any truth to any of these urban legends ?!:confused:

[GTownCougar]

Zetec is non-interference, will do no harm, just leave you stranded. Maybe euro zetecs are different? Doubt it tho.

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

all zetecs are non-interference engines except for maybe one with domed high CR pistons and huge lift cams. even then i think they are still non-interference.

[merlin]

Beginning to suspect gouging in the UK here. It is about $500 - $600 US dollars (converted to British Pounds) to have this done by a Ford dealership in UK.

Again, conflicting stories. One Ford dealer suggest you do this at 60,000 miles or else your engine will be destroyed.

Seems to be the standard 2.0 Litre Mondeo engine to me.

I know a lot of this comes from the days of the Escort CVH engines, holed pistons and bent valves, but if this is lie, then shame on dealerships for perpetuating this urban myth..

All I want is someone in the "know" to tell a customer the honest truth and it ain't going to come from a dealership who have a vested interest in maintaining their revenue stream.:mad: