got my nitrous installed...

[wooly35]

and i absolutly love it! guys i normally beat by a nose, i have put 5 to 6 car lengths on and i only have the 55 shot on.... cant wait to get dyno tuned for the 75 shot

[kustomcougar]

5 to 6 car lenghts on what?

[canadiancougar]

What kit are you using and what accessories?

[wooly35]

Zex kit 15 pound bottle, 55 shot not tuned, zex dual purge kit... everyone loves the purge, i am wasting more nitrous on the showing the purge than running the car. but anyways, i have I/H/E, hyper gound kit, synthetic oil, gutted cat, thats about all. Raced a bullit mustang, lost by a car and a half so im extremely happy with the install. i will be going to the track sometime soon and will post some times with the 75 shot and tune. absolutly loving the spray.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: anymore questions about the install or what i have done, bring it on! Im ready to go!! cheers!

[kustomcougar]

you have anyhting else done to your engine?

[wooly35]

thats everything done to the engine so far, got a short shifter but thats nothing but driver right there. i plan on getting an upgraded fuel pump for all the extra hp i get when i get pnp heads... hopefully in a few months. Pending on tax rebate in a few months.

[wooly35]

also would like to know if there is anyone who is on this forum that is from kansas city, MO... i dont know of anyone in town who has a modded cougar. i see them all over the place so i know there has to be someone, i cant be the only person in KC MO that has a juiced up cougar.:tongue: let me know...

[wooly35]

ahhh!! this is way to late for me! i cant sleep and want to talk! Really im just in the racing mode and cant shut down. bored!:mad:

[iceberg65]

i know someone in KC that has a stock cougar.... and isn't a member of the site lol.
thats not really any help tho

[wooly35]

sorry im a noob, but what is a sock cougar?

[wooly35]

sorry im a noob, but what is a sock cougar?
or did you mean "stock" cougar. my bad, its to late to figure things out right away...:banghead:

[wooly35]

5 to 6 car lenghts on what?
pontiac grand am 3.4L 195hp stock 205ft lb has intake thats all, before that i lost to a bullit mustang by a car and a half, he had x pipe and underdrive pulleys. he jumped early since we didnt honk, so i think i would have been at his back bumper the whole way. ill update later this weekend if i should happen to spot him on the road..wink wink.:biggrin:

[nadthomas]

you listed synthetic oil as a mod.........:rofl:

[noggs]

You "honk".... So I assume these were street races?

[99mcougar]

you listed synthetic oil as a mod.........:rofl:

I've got to add that to my list!!

But really man, your wasting shots on grand am's? I beat a grand am with I/E and a pully, he had exhaust and a pully. and your spraying on the street..:rolleyes:

Glad your happy with your mod tho.

[iceberg65]

woops edited, sposed to say "stock"

[Bergie_dark by design]

you only had 5 - 6 car legnths with spray on a grand am ?

Idk bout anyone else.. but that just doesnt sound right to me..
Thats about what i have when i've raced them. "Grand am Gt's"

[wanderingmind]

you only had 5 - 6 car legnths with spray on a grand am ?

Idk bout anyone else.. but that just doesnt sound right to me..
Thats about what i have when i've raced them. "Grand am Gt's"

Without knowing how fast they went, it's hard to say if that'd be correct or not. If they raced to 60 MPH for example, I'd say that 5-6 cars would be an exaggeration. If they raced to above 100, he should have pulled further...

I had a Zex wet kit (65 shot) in my '99. LOVED it!!!!! Nitrous is fun stuff.

Bergie, I was originally going to call BS on you pulling 5-6 car lengths on Grand Am GT's because they match up almost exactly with the MTX Cougar. But, then I saw that you've got 300 lbs of weight reduction. That makes a HUGE difference!

[StealthyWeasel]

You "honk".... So I assume these were street races?

Yes. And don't start the SR soapbox.

[Comando489]

please do not kill any one. thanks!

[TrackCat]

You need a tune for 75shot nitrous?? I've been running mine with 75 shot and never had to tune it in the last few years

[Honzo]

so how easy is this sort of install?
nitrous always interests me but i'm too afraid i wouldn't be able to do the install and i'd rather not try to find a shop that could do it. So what all does installing it entail?

[TrackCat]

Installing a zex kit is easy you just need a few hand tools and some time to do it right

[Honzo]

know of any step-by-step instructions?
it sounds like a relatively cheap, efficient, and overall fun mod. Originally though, i thought the nitrous injector was just bolted on the intake tubing near the throttle body and it sprays (basically the same way the purge sprays) while the engine in bringing in air. in this case, it would SEEM very easy, but i'm told this is not the case...

[nadthomas]

I know they are completely different things, but if you can install an amp and subwoofer without any problems, then you should be able to do a basic nitrous kit install. Its really fairly simple, its just a matter of running a line from the front to the back, and wiring up a couple of things.

[Honzo]

well that sounds like fun then :thumbsup:
i was reading the NX Stage 1 manual and it looks almost like a 2 hour install :biggrin:

[wooly35]

know of any step-by-step instructions?
it sounds like a relatively cheap, efficient, and overall fun mod. Originally though, i thought the nitrous injector was just bolted on the intake tubing near the throttle body and it sprays (basically the same way the purge sprays) while the engine in bringing in air. in this case, it would SEEM very easy, but i'm told this is not the case...

mine is the zex wet kit and i had to drill a hole in the intake tubing just before the throttle body, thats how mine is sprayed into the motor. As for installing it, i would recommend having another person there to help, its just easier. Hard parts for me was bolting down the bottle brackets,(done by myself, took to long):banghead:, and trying to find a place to mount the control box. Everything else was easy.:biggrin:

[wooly35]

You need a tune for 75shot nitrous?? I've been running mine with 75 shot and never had to tune it in the last few years
do you have any mods or is it stock/w nitrous? I have mods and need it tuned anyway, so i figured i would do it all at once.

[wooly35]

whats a good A/F ratio on a 2000 mtx with nitrous?

[ilovemycar]

whats a good A/F ratio on a 2000 mtx with nitrous?

For a 75 shot or less i try to keep mine about 12-12.5:1. For anything over a 75 i try to go about 1 point lower.

[Honzo]

so if i were to get my catback system, intake, and maybe a few misc. svt parts, would i need a tune if i got nitrous? and would it be as simple as going to a dyno shop and saying "hey, i need to get my car tuned for my mods"?

[wooly35]

so if i were to get my catback system, intake, and maybe a few misc. svt parts, would i need a tune if i got nitrous? and would it be as simple as going to a dyno shop and saying "hey, i need to get my car tuned for my mods"?

well i read on here that you should tune your car everytime you add a new mod to the motor so you can get the most out of it. i have had i/h/e on for a few months with no tune yet and i just threw on the nitrous this weekend. i plan on tuning my car for the 75 shot to see if im running to lean and because i need it tuned. as for going to the dyno shop, the ones around me require to call in an appointment, but every saturday they are first come first serve on the dyno.:)

[wooly35]

For a 75 shot or less i try to keep mine about 12-12.5:1. For anything over a 75 i try to go about 1 point lower.

alright cool, thanks.:biggrin:

[TrackCat]

Look up a/f gauges with an 02 sensor those are the only ones I trust for aftermarket tuning. What type of tuning are we talking about?? controllers, stand alones, etc. it depends on the route your taking. but I would look through the forums a little more and read a lot before you decide on what you want.

[pgtatx]

you listed synthetic oil as a mod.........:rofl:

Dan... I was sooo waiting till I got to the last post to write that. Damn you... ;)

[bdiddy]

You need a tune for 75shot nitrous?? I've been running mine with 75 shot and never had to tune it in the last few years

ummm.......YES. tune it now before you run on nitrous again. kthnx

[ilovemycar]

ummm.......YES. tune it now before you run on nitrous again. kthnx

Not needed at all. Change your plugs to copper and run with it. I ran 20+ 10lb. bottles thru my motor with basic bolt-ons and copper plugs with a 75 shot.

[TrackCat]

Not needed at all. Change your plugs to copper and run with it. I ran 20+ 10lb. bottles thru my motor with basic bolt-ons and copper plugs with a 75 shot.

I've been running 75 shot for 3 years plus and I go to the track every time I get a chance. I run Iridium plugs.

[ilovemycar]

I've been running 75 shot for 3 years plus and I go to the track every time I get a chance. I run Iridium plugs.

And how much did they cost you? My copper plugs cost $1.28 ish apiece.

[Christopher J]

Wooly,

Look me up, I'm just down 71 Hwy from you. I live in Terrace Lake off of 435 and Holmes.

I'm working on a 99 right now and have been considering putting nitrous on mine along with SVT light upgrades among existing mods.

[wooly35]

Not needed at all. Change your plugs to copper and run with it. I ran 20+ 10lb. bottles thru my motor with basic bolt-ons and copper plugs with a 75 shot.
ok so you didnt even retard the timing and nothing blew up? Everyone told me i need to retard the timing 4 degrees for a 75 shot.

[wooly35]

Wooly,

Look me up, I'm just down 71 Hwy from you. I live in Terrace Lake off of 435 and Holmes.

I'm working on a 99 right now and have been considering putting nitrous on mine along with SVT light upgrades among existing mods. hell yeah man, we'll have to meet up somewhere. Oh, you will love having nitrous added to the car, its sweet times.:biggrin:

[Christopher J]

You'll have to give me ride when we meet up.

I'll have to pic your brain when I'm ready to put nitrous on mne.

[wooly35]

yeah man, thats cool. let me know when and where.

[DesertNeco]

Im interested in how much you paid for your kit? I can get a Zex wet kit for 400 shipped and thats for basically brand new and a few different jets im thinking about doing it, then upgrading a few more things later.

[wooly35]

Im interested in how much you paid for your kit? I can get a Zex wet kit for 400 shipped and thats for basically brand new and a few different jets im thinking about doing it, then upgrading a few more things later.

i bought mine brand new for 550. So id say 400 is a great deal as long as you get everything thats supposed to come with it.

[ilovemycar]

ok so you didnt even retard the timing and nothing blew up? Everyone told me i need to retard the timing 4 degrees for a 75 shot.

No. I had the nitrous for well over a year before i got my SCT tuning software, which is when i started running the 100/125 shot.

[wooly35]

No. I had the nitrous for well over a year before i got my SCT tuning software, which is when i started running the 100/125 shot.

wow, thats crazy. i still want to have it tuned though. it would just make me feel better if i had it done.

[wooly35]

so ilovemycar, have you ever used nano on the nitrous you have now?

[Marius]

Wooly, I happen to be pretty close as well, in Leavenworth, KS. I was starting to think I'd never notice anyone else on here from this area.

[wooly35]

Wooly, I happen to be pretty close as well, in Leavenworth, KS. I was starting to think I'd never notice anyone else on here from this area.

dang boy, that is like a hour and a half drive from where i live! I found another guy the other day on kcsr that has a 4 cylinder cougar with body kit and fart can!:rofl:

[Marius]

An hour and a half is just an enjoyable jaunt when you're pimpin a Cougar. Besides, you should be able to engage the nitrous and cover that kind of distance in like 13 seconds. :biggrin:

[wooly35]

An hour and a half is just an enjoyable jaunt when you're pimpin a Cougar. Besides, you should be able to engage the nitrous and cover that kind of distance in like 13 seconds. :biggrin:

You know it!:goofy::rofl::rofl:

[Christopher J]

4 cylinder cougar with body kit and fart can

All show and no go, that sucks. I can't say too much though.....my fenders and front bumper still need to be painted :disgust:

[Nemesis]

Congrats on the nitrous. I ran it for two years on my Cougar with a tune, and never had a problem at all. Ill be juicing the Stang in a few months :)

[TrackCat]

And how much did they cost you? My copper plugs cost $1.28 ish apiece.

They cost me $2.53 each My friend owns an import shop I get cost

[wooly35]

Congrats on the nitrous. I ran it for two years on my Cougar with a tune, and never had a problem at all. Ill be juicing the Stang in a few months :)
awesome, im going to get the xcal2 this weekend and hopefully get a wideband in the near future. Gotta know my car's runnin right!:biggrin:

[Naturaltal3nt]

wooly what ever came of this? did you get a tune? hows everything running i'm getting juice this summer and i'm just doing some research now so i'm ready to do it.

[canadiancougar]

Can you post some pictures of where you mounted everything, I'm thinking about "juicing" my car if I ever get it running again.

[wooly35]

sorry guys i havent even looked at the forced induction for a while. my car is running great. thinking about a 100 shot in the next couple o months. ill take some pics and post them in a bit.

[wooly35]

here are some pics of my nitrous hook up and car...

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[Tygerr]

Is there anyway to clean it up? I would try and hide it in the engine bay, make it "look" like nothing's there. Ya know? Just seems kind of messy laying on top of the manifold.

Also, forgive my ignorance, what's the second black bottle mounted to your zex bottle?

[Bergie_dark by design]

that would be a nano bottle..


gets rid of variants of hp gain from just a normal bottle.. "add's pressure to the line ?"

[MOMO]

that would be a nano bottle..


gets rid of variants of hp gain from just a normal bottle.. "add's pressure to the line ?"


that didnt make any sense.

[Tygerr]

that would be a nano bottle..


gets rid of variants of hp gain from just a normal bottle.. "add's pressure to the line ?"

Why wouldn't you just use a bottle heater with a pressure sensor?

[20cougar01]

So our motors can handle 50-100 shot of nitrous without messing up? I have never delt with nitrous but would like to have it mainly to purge but seeing this makes me want to get it if I wont blow up my motor. Because I know back when I had my focus I would joke around to a friend who was a "car guy" and he said a 50 shot of nitrous would blow up my focus's engine which was the 2.0 Zetec.

[MOMO]

So our motors can handle 50-100 shot of nitrous without messing up? I have never delt with nitrous but would like to have it mainly to purge but seeing this makes me want to get it if I wont blow up my motor. Because I know back when I had my focus I would joke around to a friend who was a "car guy" and he said a 50 shot of nitrous would blow up my focus's engine which was the 2.0 Zetec.


your "car guy" friend needs to stop watching FandF and do more studying.
your 2.0 should be able to handle a 50 shot.

Just remember, if you are smart with it, chance of you doing anything to the engine is pretty small. anything higher than a 50 shot i would get a tune for.

[wooly35]

that would be a nano bottle..


gets rid of variants of hp gain from just a normal bottle.. "add's pressure to the line ?"

Yes the nano bottle uses high pressure nitrogen or air to keep my psi at a contant pressure, therefore never having to deal with heating my bottle ever again. If i can find my dyno sheets i can show you the difference of having the nano and not having it. Just so you know its worth having.

[wooly35]

Is there anyway to clean it up? I would try and hide it in the engine bay, make it "look" like nothing's there. Ya know? Just seems kind of messy laying on top of the manifold.

Also, forgive my ignorance, what's the second black bottle mounted to your zex bottle?

i could try and clean it up a bit but im too lazy sometimes. But most of the wires that are floating around my UIM are the ground system i have on it, and of course the spark plug wires that are super longer than need be. And the black bottle is my nano, it hasnt been around that long and the guys who invented it live here in KC. So im not surprised that only one guy on here besides me knows what it is.

[wooly35]

So our motors can handle 50-100 shot of nitrous without messing up? I have never delt with nitrous but would like to have it mainly to purge but seeing this makes me want to get it if I wont blow up my motor. Because I know back when I had my focus I would joke around to a friend who was a "car guy" and he said a 50 shot of nitrous would blow up my focus's engine which was the 2.0 Zetec.

So far i have not had one problem with the 75 shot, i have it tuned so its running perfect. But i will go up to the 100 shot here in the next couple of months and see how it goes. i heard that someone on here has ran 125 shot on a stock 2.5 with all the mods i have, only he had LSD installed on his car. will update on how the 100 shot goes in the next months.

[wooly35]

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ok so i have the two dyno sheets, one i have marked with a bottle heater and the other is marked with the NANO. HUGE difference boys!

[Tygerr]

The Nano run had the rpm's cut off, do you have another picture?

[20cougar01]

your "car guy" friend needs to stop watching FandF and do more studying.
your 2.0 should be able to handle a 50 shot.

Just remember, if you are smart with it, chance of you doing anything to the engine is pretty small. anything higher than a 50 shot i would get a tune for.

Thats what I was thinking. But I dont think my 2.0 would handle it now since its been gone about 4 years from when I wrecked my Focus. haha

[wooly35]

The Nano run had the rpm's cut off, do you have another picture?

the rpms are at the very bottom! i can see them. starts at 3000 and ends at 7.5. try looking again.

[Tygerr]

I'm sorry, I meant the bottle warmer.

It's hard to judge dyno's without seeing the rpm's. Since the two graphs vertical lines are different. Were they the same dyno?

[wooly35]

yeah it was the same dyno, but i still dont understand why the rpms are counted by .5 on one and by 1.0 on the other. it still shouldn't change the fact that the nano kept the hp and tq much smoother than the bottle warmer.;)

oh and on the bottle heated dyno you can scroll down and see the rpms on that one, if thats what you meant that it was cut off.

[MOMO]

hmm... any link or info on this nano?

[Tygerr]

Ahhh.. ok. Yea, the way the rpm spacing screwed with my head. Definitely a lot smoother pull with the nano. What pressure was the bottle kept at, 900psi?

I did read up on the nano a little bit, but the kit I found was half a grand! A self regulating bottle warmer is what... 100 bucks? I do like what it does though.

Momo: This helped me.
How Nano works (http://www.nanonitrous.com/howitworks/index.html)

[wooly35]

yes 900psi is what my bottle is constantly at with the nano, although it can be adjusted to around 1200psi i think. yeah its expensive but its totally worth it imo. :biggrin:

[FastCougar]

Can you please provide a component laundry list with prices ... just for comparison sake in this thread (http://www.newcougar.org/forums/garage-talk/125260-can-someone-clue-me-2.html#post1478429)? It would be greatly appreciated!!!

Example:

ZEX try kit 50-75 hp adjustable = $795
Nano kit = $500
etc.

[Tygerr]

Trevor: I was just reading that thread. You made a very good point.

I'm no expert by any means, but I'm just trying to do my own research to find the best option for me. Now mind you. All these prices are subject to different prices depending, and you can always find used kits, shop around, and used parts = saving money. I'm using the parts from dynotunenitrous.com since I found that was recommended in a old thread I found a while back, nitrousexpress.com, and zex.com. All you REALLY need is the wet kit, but obviously there are lots of accessories and safety switches you'll want to be safe.

-Complete Zex wet kit - $548.44

-Blowdown tube - $51 (needed if racing at a track)
-Fuel Pressure Safety Switch - $53
-Window Switch - $87 bucks?

-Purge kit - $110
-Nano kit - $569 OR
Bottle Warmer Pressure controlled - $99 (again, both not needed)
-Remote bottle opener - $219.00 (not needed, but nice if you want on-demand power)

You also have the cost needed to tune the car if running bigger jets, same as any FI setup (wideband o2, gauges if you would like to monitor a/f, etc). I think that's the basics. Hopefully someone with some experience could help out and make sure everything looks correct (aka George).

edit: Also, it would be very easy to sell the nitrous kit with little loss I would think. A nitrous kit is a nitrous kit (for the most part). It would also be easy to transfer the kit and all accessories to a) another motor (3.0L) b) another car? Transferring a turbo or selling it off would seem a bit more complicated.

[wooly35]

Zex nitrous kit + Purge $620.00 shipped
Nitrous fill ups: 4 to 5 a dollars a pound depending on where you go.

NANO 10 lb sport kit $600.00
High pressure air: $5.00 to fill bottle
High pressure nitrogen: 6 or 7 dollars to fill

wideband A/F ratio $299.95 at nautilusperformance.com. FREE SHIPPING! only in US.
Very important item for those of us with a 75 shot or higher!

XCAL3 + tune $480.00 shipped from nautilusperformance.com (this is the exact amount it cost me)

i think this is all i have. will edit if need be.

[wooly35]

from experience, not having a bottle warmer or the nano is just stupid. If you have no way of raising the pressure of the bottle or keeping it at a constant pressure, you shouldnt even run the with nitrous because its a waste. You wont get anything from it. Its a pain to keep taking the bottle out and running warm water over it and putting it back in the car just for one good run. Yes that is how i did it for a while.:( if you are on a budget, get the bottle warmer. if you got the money, get the nano. i had to save a bit but i was able to get my nano.:biggrin:

[Tygerr]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Nano thing. I agree it would seem to be a waste without either of the two.

The website frustrates me, as the "How it works" doesn't describe how it actually works, more so just what the system does.

All I can think logically is the system backfills a dry nitrogen or air into the n20 tank, so that the tank is ALWAYS full. If that's it, then I'm really curious as to why they charge half a grand for the system, because they can?

[MOMO]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Nano thing. I agree it would seem to be a waste without either of the two.

The website frustrates me, as the "How it works" doesn't describe how it actually works, more so just what the system does.



im with you there. "how it works" didnt explain anything and i wasnt impressed with couple of muscle cars doing burnouts. :rolleyes:

dont get me wrong, i know it works and Woolys dyno proves it but if you say youre going to explain "how it works", explain it!

[MOMO]

All I can think logically is the system backfills a dry nitrogen or air into the n20 tank, so that the tank is ALWAYS full. If that's it, then I'm really curious as to why they charge half a grand for the system, because they can?

thats along the way im thinking too. its like when you use a spray can, you lose pressure with use... so, nano basically keeps the pressure constant as the nitrous is displaced. The regulator setup looks like it incorporates the pony bottles (nano bottle) inlet to accomplish the pressure equilization between the two.

[wooly35]

you are right about the price, its insane. price is the only downfall for anyone thinking about getting one, i know it was for me. I love having it, hook up and ready to go all night.:biggrin:

[wooly35]

was wondering.. do i have to use higher octane than 91 to run 100 shot.

[Naturaltal3nt]

so if i'm correct the n2o bottle fills with the hpa or nitrogen and keeps the constant pressure inside the n20 tank to evenly distribute the nitrous into the motor correct? what happens when the nitrous is gone and the hpa and or the nitrogen get sprayed into the motor? wouldn't that be bad?

[wooly35]

so if i'm correct the n2o bottle fills with the hpa or nitrogen and keeps the constant pressure inside the n20 tank to evenly distribute the nitrous into the motor correct? what happens when the nitrous is gone and the hpa and or the nitrogen get sprayed into the motor? wouldn't that be bad?

i have ran mine completely out and i just lost all the power from the nitrous when it went empty, nothing bad happened.

[Tygerr]

was wondering.. do i have to use higher octane than 91 to run 100 shot.

You "should" have a number of things done to run a higher shot then 75 according to what I've read.

Higher octane, Colder plugs, retard timing, a tune would be your best bet. I think with a 100 shot there wouldn't be a need to upgrade the fuel system yet... I'd read up on it. However, I'd use the highest octane you could find. A few places sell 93 octane (Sunoco -94, I believe Shell), it would seem more beneficial then harmful. What do you run now? I'd be running 91 anyway.

[wooly35]

i run a 75 shot right now, with colder plugs, 91 octane, wideband, xcal3. so i have the right things to run 100 shot, i just need the 100 shot jets, ha ha. ill upgrade the fuel pump if need be. the octane is the only thing im not sure about. but i agree it would be better having it than not, although i dont need it all the time, which could get costly. Even though it costs me over 4 dollars a gallon anyways!!:mad::banghead:

[Tygerr]

True. It could get expensive running it all the time, but it's safer then blowing a motor. Do you have a fpss? If so you should be fine if the fuel pump craps out. I've read you can add a fuel pump booster, but I don't know much about 'em.

Where'd you get your xcal? Do you like it? I'm torn between getting a flip chip and the xcal.

[wooly35]

what is fpss? i got my xcal from nautilusperformance. I like it, downloads pretty quick.

[Tygerr]

Fuel Pressure Safety Switch. It stops n20 flow if it senses a drop in fuel pressure aka. if the fuel pump takes a dump. A safety option, but seems worth it's weight in gold.

[wooly35]

think ill have to look into that.

[wooly35]

ok so i got my 100 shot hooked up and sorta tuned. still have my a/f ratio flatline 10 at 6200, trying to lean it out a bit. everything works great. No problems as of yet. now i plan on jumping up to 125 shot. see what happens. ill try and get to the dyno and put up some numbers here in the near future. :biggrin: