Gaining interest - Cougar V6 Twin Turbo Kit?

[fjmckeever]

Hello everyone,

Our company is highly considering producing a intercooled, twin-turbo setup for the Mercury Cougar V6 model. I was curious as to who would be interested in purchasing a kit, or if there was even a market for it.

Included would be the following:


Precision T3 Turbocharger (x2)
Intercooler
Tial External Wastegate (x2)
Manifolds (powder coated or chrome polished) with wastegate welds
Fuel Injectors
Fuel Management Unit 12:1
Greddy Type S Blow Off Valve (x2)
Charge Pipes (w/custom welds for blow off valves)
Oil Feed Kit
Oil Return Kit
Vacuum Lines
Manifold Gasket
T3 Gasket
Silicon Boots & Clamps
Bolts, Nuts, Washers, & Necessary Hardware
COMPLETE Color Installation Manual


Price for a kit with all of the above would be around $2500.00.

[bubby]

Good luck!

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

i want to know where your gonna fit 2 turbos in the engine bay. unless your going to do like the STS kits and do a remote mount setup.

[fjmckeever]

We haven't started the project yet, and we're only planning on beginning the research and development of the kit if there is interest.

[RuiNaToR_QC]

Would be awesome! But Twin-turbo :eek: Let us know how you managed to put them into engine bay

[blustreak]

I'd say that if you can fit them in the engine bay, there would be interest.

[FastCougar]

I highly doubt you could meet your projected $2500 selling goal without slave/child labor. That is unless you plan on doing all the fabrication inhouse and don't mind taking a loss on every kit. Turbos and wastegates alone will run you nearly half the projected sell price. Even if you MIG the setup and used mild steel without coating (leave that to the customer), you would have to produce the kit in 1 8hour day to see anything remotely like a profit ... good luck accomplishing that!

[BigBalledOX]

Hello everyone,

Our company is highly considering producing a intercooled, twin-turbo setup for the Mercury Cougar V6 model. I was curious as to who would be interested in purchasing a kit, or if there was even a market for it.

Included would be the following:


Precision T3 Turbocharger (x2)
Intercooler
Tial External Wastegate (x2)
Manifolds (powder coated or chrome polished) with wastegate welds
Fuel Injectors
Fuel Management Unit 12:1
Greddy Type S Blow Off Valve (x2)
Charge Pipes (w/custom welds for blow off valves)
Oil Feed Kit
Oil Return Kit
Vacuum Lines
Manifold Gasket
T3 Gasket
Silicon Boots & Clamps
Bolts, Nuts, Washers, & Necessary Hardware
COMPLETE Color Installation Manual


Price for a kit with all of the above would be around $2500.00.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: I will be watching this thread with GREAT interest.

[fjmckeever]

I highly doubt you could meet your projected $2500 selling goal without slave/child labor. That is unless you plan on doing all the fabrication inhouse and don't mind taking a loss on every kit. Turbos and wastegates alone will run you nearly half the projected sell price. Even if you MIG the setup and used mild steel without coating (leave that to the customer), you would have to produce the kit in 1 8hour day to see anything remotely like a profit ... good luck accomplishing that!

I understand. Our company has taken several losses on producing the Cavalier and Sunfire turbo kit. I understand a Cougar is not a Cavalier, but I was thinking $2500 would be a great introductory price. We'd be taking a loss, but we'd be able to move products and get reviews with more track times, dyno numbers, and more installed pictures. The kit would eventually go up in price.

[bubby]

So did you guys even look at the engine bay of a V6 before you said, "We should make a twin turbo kit!". I'm not trying to be a dick but seriously.

[fjmckeever]

So did you guys even look at the engine bay of a V6 before you said, "We should make a twin turbo kit!". I'm not trying to be a dick but seriously.

Yep, I own one.

[StealthyWeasel]

OMG, so much much hot side manifold piping. Oil taps and turbos everywhere! Lots to go wrong all the time, let alone room for basic maintenance.

[ilovemycar]

If you can build it and prove it will make more power than a single turbo setup i will buy it guaranteed. Well... actually... i think i would just go with the single turbo setup for simplicity's sake. You guys aren't interested in building a single turbo setup?

[azbobbybooshay10]

Let me guess, money orders and cashiers checks only? :rolleyes:

[MaverickFlyer]

Lets see a prototype first. Anything is possible.

[nadthomas]

Forgive the forums criticism, but we have had dozens of people and companies claim they were going to make a turbo kit for the cougar, but only 3 have done it to my knowledge.

1. Arizona Dyno Chips -The original turbo setup
2. Nautilus Performance - Long time contour/cougar owners and forum members. There kit was released about a year ago.
3. Trevor aka Fastcougar - Had planed to produce his monster turbo setup, but Nautilus kind of beat him to it. Although Fastcougar's setup is more of a beastly race setup, instead of a "tuner/DD" kit.

If you can produce a reliable kit (twin turbo or not), that makes about 300+whp for $2500 I'm sure you would have buyers, but we need proof.

[fjmckeever]

No worries, I can understand the concern since I'm also a new member posting on here about it.

[noggs]

"If you build it, they will come"

...and me too :)

[Teebs]

Why would you run twin turbo in a car such as the Cougar which is already hurting for traction? FastCougars car roasts the tires all the way through to third IIRC. lol

[fordrule]

Forgive the forums criticism, but we have had dozens of people and companies claim they were going to make a turbo kit for the cougar, but only 3 have done it to my knowledge.

1. Arizona Dyno Chips -The original turbo setup
2. Nautilus Performance - Long time contour/cougar owners and forum members. There kit was released about a year ago.
3. Trevor aka Fastcougar - Had planed to produce his monster turbo setup, but Nautilus kind of beat him to it. Although Fastcougar's setup is more of a beastly race setup, instead of a "tuner/DD" kit.

If you can produce a reliable kit (twin turbo or not), that makes about 300+whp for $2500 I'm sure you would have buyers, but we need proof.

speak on dan.....speak on

especially since the naut. kit you can just bolt on to stock manifolds/ pre owned weapon r/ MSDS headers. the same with fastcougars kit

also to fit twin turbo kit in a v6 engine bay you are probably looking at t-28 snails or at least small turbo's due to small space confinement

research before on it (http://www.newcougar.org/forums/forced-induction/79214-twin-turbo-setup.html)

twin turbo mazda 6 3L (http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=22354)

[pgtatx]

Plus the market barely exists for these vehicles...

That being said... if you "took a loss" for a few setups to help build a rep, these are not really the cars to do it on.

Sure it's an easy market to enter, unlike the import or muscle market... but all in all there's no real purpose for it.

Plus the single turbo setups and SC setups offer enough power (too much actually) to begin with and already have a higher cost. Twins would offer little to no advantage and of courser increased costs on both the manuifacturing end and the consumer end.

Feel free to design a setup... but in the end it'll be hard to give away all the parts. And even when you do, the average owner here and the average shop can't or just won't do the work to fabricate and install one of these setups...

:)

Sorry if I sound negative... that's not my point... I am however a realist.

[Frosty]

I Want 3 Turbos!!!

[FastCougar]

For the record, I can spin the wheels in any gear ... just a matter of turning up the boost ... ask wade ;)

Also, I'm fairly certain I'm one of the very few people is not the only person who is slipping a Spec Stage III clutch :evil:

[ilovemycar]

For the record, I can spin the wheels in any gear ... just a matter of turning up the boost ... ask wade ;)

Also, I'm fairly certain I'm one of the very few people is not the only person who is slipping a Spec Stage III clutch :evil:

5th?

[boarder4life]

with 22 lbs of boost i would think so lol

[speed-demon]

would there be any advantage to a twin set-up maybe a dumb question thought i would ask if you can it do it mate good on ya:)

[KUGAKRAZY]

With twin turbo setups you usually get a smaller turbo that has almost instant spoll (2000rpm or so) and a larger turbo that will provide boost until you redline. This way you have a good launch, but for autoxing or tracking or everyday driving i'd have to give the cougar TT a thumbs down, for the money and purpose just get a supercharger.

[shoult]

With twin turbo setups you usually get a smaller turbo that has almost instant spoll (2000rpm or so) and a larger turbo that will provide boost until you redline. This way you have a good launch, but for autoxing or tracking or everyday driving i'd have to give the cougar TT a thumbs down, for the money and purpose just get a supercharger.

Everything though is a trade off. Single turbos give you either a nice low boost all over the band, or a huge gain at the top end that hits like a sledge hammer, but not both. Twin turbos get around this at the expense of increased complexity and higher under hood temps.

Superchargers (roots or screw type, not centrifigul) give you a big linear boost but can have as much as 25% parasitic loss. Roots and Screw type superchargers will also give you very, very flat torque curves. My old MR2 SC made 168 lb ft of torque at 1500 rpm and 219 lb ft at 8200 rpm out 1.6L (100cu). That's flat!

For Autoxing Torque is KING. It's what gets you out of the corners or gets you an amazing 60' time (that and traction, but that's another conversation).

[Frosty]

Are You Gaining Interest?

[fordrule]

mayday mayday we are going down

[speed-demon]

if you can do it do it mate be good to see it may not work out but you won't know till you give it a go:)

[CheeseEater88]

mckeever,

are you going to put this on your car first?

after all you are marketing it...

I bet if you had some dynos or some color photos people might get more excited.

[fordrule]

u gotta understand about this board..a lot of people talk about it. so we all tend to be very skeptical about it...until we see pictures and actual progress.

if you want to install it in ur car go for it....

[CincyZetec]

I Want 3 Turbos!!!

well I'm building a kit with 1 turbo for each cylinder. MONSTER 4 TURBO ZETEC FTW!!

[99mcougar]

This is the closest anyone has got to a twin turbo Cougar
http://a988.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/47/l_4b37073023810aaab275c48acf67dcdb.jpg
:needpics:

[fjmckeever]

u gotta understand about this board..a lot of people talk about it. so we all tend to be very skeptical about it...until we see pictures and actual progress.

if you want to install it in ur car go for it....

I understand, however, I still don't understand why everyone is blowing up. I never said I was taking pre-orders on this, and I never asked if it would work, I was simply asking: If we accomplish the setup would there be interest.


CheeseEater - Yes, this would go on my personal vehicle first.

[B3NN3TT]

I think it's a foregone conclusion that if you accomplish it, there would be interest. People are "blowing up" because there is a 99.99% chance that you will NOT accomplish it.

The road to turbo is paved with good intentions, and I wish you the best - but you sound like the 25 other nut-jobs who said the same thing and then disappeared without a trace.

Plus, "twin turbos" ? Come on, Paul Walker. Sure, they're great for inline 6 applications and rotaries, which have roomy engine bays and rear-wheel drive. But total useless ricey overkill on a Duratec. The fact that you obviously haven't done much of any homework either just adds more fuel to the nut-job fire.

Seriously. Bottom line: put up or shut up.

[branchedout]

I understand, however, I still don't understand why everyone is blowing up. I never said I was taking pre-orders on this, and I never asked if it would work, I was simply asking: If we accomplish the setup would there be interest.


CheeseEater - Yes, this would go on my personal vehicle first.

Why not introduce yourself to FLNECO and hang around a little bit before trying to sell the world and make products that most likely will not fit in our cars without being a total money pit in the first place?

Not to be a jerk, but you kind of popped out of nowhere and are trying to sell high dollar items and its a little odd. Get involved with your local chapter first and let people know you're for real, if you are.

[Redmofo]

This is the closest anyone has got to a twin turbo Cougar
http://a988.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/47/l_4b37073023810aaab275c48acf67dcdb.jpg
:needpics:

HA Yea i was the first twin turbo cougar on here.

Seriosly if you can do it that would be awesome and great. I personally would not want it but there def. would be some people who would. I am more interest in the single turbo setup by nautilus and will get it as soon as school payments end.
On side note if you are able to make a TT setup you will get alot of knowledge out of it and apply that to alot of cars and prob. make some good money. Good Luck.

[99mcougar]

Redmofo I thought you'd like that :rofl:

But really if you can do it thats sweet, like the others said I have no clue how you would fit it under there but prove me and everyone else wrong! It's a great idea if it works.

EDIT: like the others said get to know people around here, and maybe start a TT build thread like Fastcougar did with mavro gato, and Blackcoog with his S/C thread.

Just a thought, if people see pic's of it working then you will get LOADS of more support.

[StealthyWeasel]

I think it's a foregone conclusion that if you accomplish it, there would be interest. People are "blowing up" because there is a 99.99% chance that you will NOT accomplish it.

The road to turbo is paved with good intentions, and I wish you the best - but you sound like the 25 other nut-jobs who said the same thing and then disappeared without a trace.

Plus, "twin turbos" ? Come on, Paul Walker. Sure, they're great for inline 6 applications and rotaries, which have roomy engine bays and rear-wheel drive. But total useless ricey overkill on a Duratec. The fact that you obviously haven't done much of any homework either just adds more fuel to the nut-job fire.

Seriously. Bottom line: put up or shut up.


damn, said well. Your generic application of a "twin turbo" without consideration of space limitations show your lack of knowledge on the vehicle specifics, greatly adding to your chances of failure. I second the bottom line..

[pgtatx]

...before trying to sell the world and make products that most likely will not fit in our cars without being a total money pit in the first place?

Not to be a jerk, but you kind of popped out of nowhere and are trying to sell high dollar items and its a little odd. Get involved with your local chapter first and let people know you're for real, if you are.


Sorry, but I don't mean to just single this post out as there were other posts similar to this.

This person never asked anyone for money, for donations of parts/cars... they just staed they were interested in building this particular setup and wanted to know if there would be any interest.

We all know what the outcome would be, but let the person live a little...

[whiteboy477]

ehy if you got the time to do the project and the funds they I say do it... I personally would not get one but I plan on getting rid of the cougar in about a year maybe a little more.

We all doughted Thomas Knight but he did end up designing a kit that I believe blackcoug took over? I could be wrong

[bubby]

ehy if you got the time to do the project and the funds they I say do it... I personally would not get one but I plan on getting rid of the cougar in about a year maybe a little more.

We all doughted Thomas Knight but he did end up designing a kit that I believe blackcoug took over? I could be wrong


That was a supercharger kit, and it sucked from what I read. Blackcoog made it work.

[marinofan]

Sorry, but I don't mean to just single this post out as there were other posts similar to this.

This person never asked anyone for money, for donations of parts/cars... they just staed they were interested in building this particular setup and wanted to know if there would be any interest.

We all know what the outcome would be, but let the person live a little...

Actually he did. he had about 5 posts in a 1 day period in the group buys section. They got shut down because he only excepts check or M.O. no paypal or credit card. he made one hello post, then starts seling $200+ pieces of equipment, from a website that has been online for 3 weeks.

[Blackcoog]

That was a supercharger kit, and it sucked from what I read. Blackcoog made it work.

The Thomas Knight kit was junk. It worked for a short period of time but the bearings kept blowing out. I sold it and then designed my own kit using a vortech supercharger which is listed on my site.

[pgtatx]

Actually he did. he had about 5 posts in a 1 day period in the group buys section. They got shut down because he only excepts check or M.O. no paypal or credit card. he made one hello post, then starts seling $200+ pieces of equipment, from a website that has been online for 3 weeks.

I never check those sections... so I stand corrected...

[20COUG00]

Why dont you guys just make a cheaper header and y pipe kit or a nice intake.

[fordrule]

that kit i linked is now for sale , if you got 4k to spend on it

The following parts will be available late into March:

1. Twin Turbo Kit (includes: 2- Turbonetics T3 Super 60s a/r.36; Custom Stainless Steel Manifolds; Turbonetics BOV; Spearco Custom Intercooler; Oil Filter Relocation Kit; Stainless Steel Downpipes with bungs for O2 sensors and Y-Pipe with Bung for Air/Fuel sensor; Oil Pan tapped on each side; Stainless Steel Oil Lines; 2 Akimoto Air Filters) - Retails for $7,000+ (parts and installation of custom kit); Asking $4,000 (if you want the Turbo and Exhuast below, then $4,500)

Photos of the kit on the car can be found on page 4 (some on 5 & 6 as well)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/569899/4

2. Custom 3" Stainless Steel Exhaust with Vibrant Performance Metal Cat; Resonator (18"); and two Carbon Fiber Mufflers; Retail - $1,800 (includes parts and installation); Asking $800 [from Y-Pipe back]

linkage (http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=92896)

[Blackcoog]

Wow that's a packaging nightmare. He must have gone with two turbos for show points.

[shoult]

Why dont you guys just make a cheaper header and y pipe kit or a nice intake.

This actually makes more marketing sense then going for a complicated twin turbo setup as your first product. It will help you build credibility in the marketplace. It'll also get you experience in packaging headers for the Cougar which you'll need to make the manifolds for single or twin turbo setups.

[CincyZetec]

This actually makes more marketing sense then going for a complicated twin turbo setup as your first product. It will help you build credibility in the marketplace. It'll also get you experience in packaging headers for the Cougar which you'll need to make the manifolds for single or twin turbo setups.

not to mention some money to pay for the developement of the kit. it ain't gonna b cheap.

[wanderingmind]

Why dont you guys just make a cheaper header and y pipe kit or a nice intake.

X2!!! I know a bunch of people would be VERY interested in headers that are cheaper than MSDS. I for one would buy a set.

[99mcougar]

Even long tube headers, now that would be sweet :drool:

[BigBalledOX]

I love how everyone just assumes that MSDS is doing some sort of price-gouging. :rolleyes: There's probably a reason the only alternative to headers for the Cougar was the ripoff Weapon*R version.

You're sure as hell not going to get long-tube headers from anyone for cheaper than MSDS shorty's.

[20COUG00]

I love how everyone just assumes that MSDS is doing some sort of price-gouging. :rolleyes: There's probably a reason the only alternative to headers for the Cougar was the ripoff Weapon*R version.

You're sure as hell not going to get long-tube headers from anyone for cheaper than MSDS shorty's.

Its not that, msds has quality stuff and is good but to just to ship is around 1k and then install, spending over a grand on headers seems crazy to me. Something cheaper would be nice, i could care less long tube or not, even a cheaper cai would be good. Everybody seems to be looking for those 2 things.

[DanG]

Yeah. Crazy. (http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GT5012/GTEXH/Kooks+GTO+Long+Tube+Headers.html) :rolleyes:

Granted, those are long-tube V8 headers... But you get my point. Steel is heinously expensive since China's been scarfing it all up...

[BigBalledOX]

Yeah. Crazy. (http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GT5012/GTEXH/Kooks+GTO+Long+Tube+Headers.html) :rolleyes:

Granted, those are long-tube V8 headers... But you get my point. Steel is heinously expensive since China's been scarfing it all up...

Goddamn NorCal. We should bug him to consume less steel. :disgust:

[nadthomas]

Yeah. Crazy. (http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GT5012/GTEXH/Kooks+GTO+Long+Tube+Headers.html) :rolleyes:

Granted, those are long-tube V8 headers... But you get my point. Steel is heinously expensive since China's been scarfing it all up...

And those aren't even the expensive headers for the GTO.

[99mcougar]

I thought they were only for V8's but I heard rumors that someone used to make make them for the Cougar. They would definitly be more expencive then MSDS but don't you get more flow? I guess it doesn't matter anyways since its not a possibility.

[fordrule]

Sean Hyland Motorsports made the long tube headers IIRC

[brapple]

X2!!! I know a bunch of people would be VERY interested in headers that are cheaper than MSDS. I for one would buy a set.

how is $220 expensive for headers from MSDS? for that you get raw, ie uncoated headers, add coating and its around $300 or so iirc. but if you want the whole 9 yards, headers, y-pipe, coating, mil -eliminators, gaskets, etc it runs about $700.

honestly get the headers themselves coated and optimize your stock y-pipe and call it a day. its a noticable difference.

[sonza68]

Sean Hyland Motorsports made the long tube headers IIRC

They did indeed.

[BigBalledOX]

They did indeed.

Are you EVER going to use those?

[SpookSVT]

Face the fact that any header worth it's weight is going to cost. The shorties are an easy, cost effective header. If you want a well engineered and professionally contructed set of headers, I'd expect to pay a minimum of $800 for a mild-steel (would vary with the price of material), TIG welded set of headers for this particlular platform. More so because of the package constraints, it is difficult work getting the routing and lengths right, and then making sure you have sufficient clearence of heat sensitive parts. Expect north of $1200 for SS...

[DanG]

Yeah, and Mr. fjmckeever's last post to this thread was 02-25-2008, 05:40 AM.

Why are we perpetuating this thread?

IBT:lock:

[BigBalledOX]

Because its fun! :beer:

[DanG]

Mmmm. SHM long-tubes...

http://dglicoes.home.comcast.net/~dglicoes/SHM01.jpg

From a hybrid build I did back in '04...

[nadthomas]

Those are sexy.

[kevxr2002]

geez i think this one got way off subject. so yeah i'll take a set of the cheaper headers. lol

just kidding i think there would some interest in the twin turbo if you could give equal to better results performance wise than the single turbo. if it took about the same amount of room, which i dont think they would even fit really, then people would probbaly be real interested.

MAKE ONE!

[DanoftheDead]

I see no market for a TT. I mean he would get what? 5 people here tops to bother with it? Make a decent single turbo that performs better then others already in existence and maybe the idea of a TT would be more believable. At least he would have something to back his statement with. Still its been 2 weeks since the first post and nothing to back up his product other then "we are considering".

[nadthomas]

Don't you newbs try and get this thread back on topic. Lets talk more about GTO long tube headers. Its not like I can't find countless threads about it over on ls1gto.com

So, DanG what do you think is the best bang for your buck header is, and why?

:tongue:

[Blackcoog]

I'd say the best GTO header would be a custom setup made of paper towel tubes. Make sure you use header wrap to keep the heat in though or you could start a fire. :rofl:

[DanG]

I installed a set of Kooks headers to my buddy's CTS-V... Easy and almost fun! Had to get them coated- Raw steel (even stainless) just needs a bit o' protection.

http://dglicoes.home.comcast.net/~dglicoes/Kooks1.jpg

http://dglicoes.home.comcast.net/~dglicoes/Kooks2.jpg

http://dglicoes.home.comcast.net/~dglicoes/GTO&V.jpg

Can't get a set for my GTO... Part of the deal with my wife was I can't mod it until Little Man is old enough to help... :(

[nadthomas]

Is installing the headers on the CTS-V the same as the goat? Everyone on ls1gto *****es about how hard it to install headers on the GTO. I imagine coming from the cougar world anything on the goat is cake by comparison.

[DanG]

You have to disconnect the steering column from the rack, IIRC. I did the same thing with the V, though it turns out I really didn't have to. I did those headers in about 3 hours, never having before touched an LSx motor.

I can't imagine it's a PITA compared to our jam-packed engine bay.

Buy a set for me, and I'll be sure to let you know how it turns out! :evil:

[nadthomas]

So, back on topic (kind of) who thinks twin turbos would have helped me get unstuck today.
http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachments/ohio-neco/32570d1205000671-365hp-rwd-12-snow-no-go-100_2174-medium-.jpg

I think that it would have helped since most of the goats (if not all) running twin turbos are doing a rear mount set up. So, if I were to get the turbos hot enough maybe they could help melt the snow under my rear tires. :rofl:

Who, the heck is the mod around here. What's a guy gotta do to get a worthless thread locked.

[DanG]

GTO + snow = FAIL.

What's a guy gotta do to get a worthless thread locked.

Find AtomicInternet and/or Kinger? :shrug:

[nadthomas]

GTO + snow = FAIL.

Yeah, I am even running snow tires,and I have an extra 120lbs in the trunk, and I was getting no where.

Find AtomicInternet and/or Kinger? :shrug:

Now, what would be the fun in that?

[DanoftheDead]

Im bored.

[wanderingmind]

how is $220 expensive for headers from MSDS? for that you get raw, ie uncoated headers, add coating and its around $300 or so iirc. but if you want the whole 9 yards, headers, y-pipe, coating, mil -eliminators, gaskets, etc it runs about $700.

honestly get the headers themselves coated and optimize your stock y-pipe and call it a day. its a noticable difference.

I keep forgetting that just the headers themselves are $220. I'm so used to hearing the package price. :facepalm:

[noggs]

OK...I think the point here is that you should make a affordable single turbo kit for the ZETEC...

:ty:

[Turbo Zetec 'tour]

OK...I think the point here is that you should make a affordable single turbo kit for the ZETEC...

Thats my market. :D:D:D

[Redmofo]

Forget this twin turbo set up make a supercharged turbo set up. Make it impossible to ever get traction.

[DanG]

Forget this twin turbo set up make a supercharged turbo set up. Make it impossible to ever get traction.

Pfff. You can do that with a single turbo... Even the T3/4...

[Redmofo]

I know but if we are gonna have TT setup might as well have every setup possible.

How about twin supercharger setup also?

[frinesi2]

How about he takes all the money available to research and build a TT kit, and make an AWD conversion kit?

[99mcougar]

AWD now thats something!! Take the Jaguar AWD and fab something up, now that would be sweet :drool: hell-a expencive though.

As far as headers on a Goat, wouldn't a header install on a Cougar be harder?

DanG- so what counts as help? if he can pick up a wrench and walk over to your car? :biggrin: I'd love to see what you will do with that thing :)

[Saleen Cougar]

well now that hes joing the air force, i guess this is officaly not going to happen, not like it was...

[DanG]

I'd love to see what you will do with that thing :)

http://www.pfyc.com/supportfiles/gt3007_2.jpg

No... Wait...

http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/ls2/gto_3_4_front.jpg

http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/ls2/gto_3_4_rear.jpg

:evil:

[nadthomas]

I love the simplicity of the maggie, and it produces more then enough power for me. Hell, the car stock still produces enough power for me. I love the goats power, but I definitely need to firm up the suspension. I think after the wedding this fall, while I'm saving up money for a house this winter, I'll sneak some of the house money into the goat.

[MaverickFlyer]

well now that hes joing the air force, i guess this is officaly not going to happen, not like it was...

Gee what a shocker!!! :eek:


:crazy:

[99mcougar]

http://www.pfyc.com/supportfiles/gt3007_2.jpg

No... Wait...

http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/ls2/gto_3_4_front.jpg

http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/ls2/gto_3_4_rear.jpg

:evil:

Mother of God... :bowdown:

:drool:

Something tells me that wouldn't fit in a Cougar :rofl:

[nadthomas]

Mother of God... :bowdown:

:drool:

Something tells me that wouldn't fit in a Cougar :rofl:

Nope, its a direct bolt on. :rofl:

[Badazzcougar]

I'll see all you guys in my rear view mirror this year at fest with twin Vortechs:rofl:

[Comando489]

Nope, its a direct bolt on. :rofl:

will it work with my atx?

[Badazzcougar]

will it work with my atx?

Of course it will you just have to grind the top of the bellhousing away:biggrin:

[nadthomas]

I'll see all you guys in my rear view mirror this year at fest with twin Vortechs:rofl:

Right, like you had any traction with a single vortech. :rofl:

I really hope you invested in some drag radials or slicks, with upgraded axles if you ever want the dream of seeing me in your rear view mirror come true. :cover:

Oh, by the way I hate VW techs, I have an interesting story of how a bad rubber grommet from the factory has cost me about $500, because the dealership refuses to cover the work under warranty. I know I told you some of it already, but I found some additional things today that makes it all come together. Tomorrow when I take the car in for more work (faulty air bag sensor), and an oil change I'm going to have story time with the counter guys and explain to them WTF happened since they and the techs just have no idea how the damaged could have possibly happened, and therefore not warranty the work.

[99mcougar]

ugh techs drive me nuts, they some told me that I will have to live with my CEL after my headers because they're not sure what the problem could be. Turns out my my O2 blungs (or whatever they are called lol) decided not to work for me anymore, both front and rear)
I also had an argurnment with one because he didn't understand that SVT manifolfolds were better, He never heard of extrude honing apparently. This guy was trying to argue that because I bolted on all that 'crap' (headers, manifolds, intake, etc) thats why I was getting a CEL :crazy: I don't know why some of these guys care so much, its not like they did the work.

Oh yeah and don't get me started on how they gapped my plugs at .42 :banghead: didn't have time or space at the time so i got them done at Ford :banghead: never will I do that again.

I love having a garage to myself :) i don't have to have idiots work on my car :) I hear ya about VW techs Ford techs, all those guys lol

Back on topic/end of sh** fitt

I wish I could go to Fest :drool: just way too far away, and have too much going this summer like my EMT practicum. Can you believe that they will let Black Betty drive an ambulance AND poke people with needles!! :rofl::rofl:

Back to original topic

Yeah TT Cougar would be sweet, but will it fit? :rofl:

[mbaltzer64]

when can i et it and how much is it for sure because i found a single turbo that gives 350-375hp for $920 shipped