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Is everyone hibernating? :shrug:
How was Thanksgiving?
Any new car toys? Anything else happening around here?
I got a new present for my car, actually 4 of them. :)
http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31555
http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31556
Toyo Proxes FZ4's. Only $93 each! :banana:
Anybody have these? The reviews I read were decent.
Magoo
11-27-2007, 06:20 PM
tigg ive had em before youll like em
Excellent. :thumbsup: Thanks Matt.
How is married life? :)
skater
11-27-2007, 09:37 PM
Awwwwwwww! They're so CUTE!! :biggrin:
My Cougar is parked for now. The IMRC no longer functions when it warms up (it's been giving me occasional issues for a while but now it's failing reliably, and it fails both ways - sticking open and closed), and the alternator is going.
The trip to my brother's place last Thursday was not fun - first the Cougar stalled on me when I got on the ramp to the Baltimore Beltway, then, as I was driving carefully on the way home to keep the IMRC closed (so they wouldn't stick open, which is why it stalled I hope) the headlights started strobing. :banghead: I made it back home okay, but I don't intend to take it anywhere at least until I can get the IMRC fixed.
frinesi2
11-27-2007, 09:59 PM
Just this weekend I replaced my alternator for the second time. The first time, it took me a week. This time, it took me eight hours. A considerable improvement, I would say. The first alternator I put in was faulty, so Pep Boys gave me a new one for free.
I am also being absolutely slaughtered by my first semester of college. w00t!
Hopefully in the spring I will have money again and be able to do stuff to my car, and thus actually be good for something on this forum. Basically, I will have the DTG twin of tigg's cat :tongue:
That doesn't sound like fun at all RJ. :( I hope you can figure it all out and get it fixed up. As for the lights flipping out, mine always does that. :shrug: I can watch my gauge faces pulse in and out, and my headlights dim when I hit the brakes. :)
8 hours is a great improvement. :biggrin: Good job!
What classes do you have this semester? Anything that we may be able to help you with?
Aww, a DTG twin. That'll be awesome. Right now my car looks too much like Henry, it will be nice to see something different. ;) But you are still good for the forum with or without modding!
frinesi2
11-27-2007, 10:26 PM
I can watch my gauge faces pulse in and out, and my headlights dim when I hit the brakes. :)
The same thing has been happening to me. Phew, I thought i was just going crazy :rofl:
I'm taking engineering sciences, calculus, english, and history. Its actually not that hard, I just have alot of stuff due over the next few weeks.
. . . I take that back, calculus is terrible, but I should be able to make it through with a passing grade. I don't get it, it seems like the entire subject is teaching you how to almost find the answer!
I hated calculus. :ugh: I took it, passed it, and then found out that I didn't need it for my degree. :disgust:
I may be helpful with English or History if you get stuck. :)
I have Intermediate Maco-Economics, Intermediate Micro-Economics, Strategic Management, Information Systems in Organizations and Physical Science this semester.
Nope, you're not crazy.
That's not to say that there isn't an issue, but you're not crazy or imagining the dimming... :rofl:
frinesi2
11-27-2007, 11:16 PM
Wow, I wonder what your major could be related to . . .
:cover:
As to the dimming, I theorized that its just the cold, as my car seems to absolutely despise cold weather. This sound sorta kinda maybe near to possibly accurate?
Rikenbomb
11-28-2007, 02:29 AM
I'm in Sunny florida so you can say that I am hibernating and loving it. :rofl:
Grats on the new tires.
I have finals coming up and soon after I'll be moving. Again. I'll also be in the hunt for new tires for the coog sometime soon.
skater
11-28-2007, 07:19 AM
That doesn't sound like fun at all RJ. :( I hope you can figure it all out and get it fixed up. As for the lights flipping out, mine always does that. :shrug: I can watch my gauge faces pulse in and out, and my headlights dim when I hit the brakes. :)
No, this looks like I'm actually turning off the headlights for a split second then turning them back on. No other changes in electrical load (i.e., I'm just cruising along at 70 mph, and the lights start blinking like Christmas lights). It's definitely more than the normal dimming we usually get.
frinesi2, For the dimming, it's just part of owning a Cougar, or, I'm beginning to think, any car these days, because my Impala does similar things (not as bad, but I can see the headlights dimming and brightening now and then). Very annoying. You can try to do the Big 3 (replacing ground and positive battery cables), which some people claim have helped, but I think that cars today are just electrically weak.
Calculus 1 is fun. :) Calc 2 and 3 is where things get really frustrating. :)
69Boss302
11-28-2007, 08:30 AM
Tigg,
did you get those from onlinetires?
Skater,
I've got an IMRC over here in Annapolis if you need it.
Yeah, I'm a finance major. It's not a whole lot of fun most of the time, but I'm almost done and that's what matters. :rofl:
Henry, you suck. :disgust: I hope it snows upon your return. :tongue: When are you moving (and where)? Need help?
RJ, yeah, that's definitely more than mine do. Sorry! :(
Onlinetires.com is right, Mike. And Henry, definitely check that site out, they had better deals than anyone else!!!
tnkgurl
11-28-2007, 08:49 AM
None of our cars are hibernating. Brent has discovered that the Mini makes a great daily driver due to the ridiculously good gas mileage. The Zephyr doesn't get driven much, but it'll get put into service on the regular when Peanut comes.
Is anyone else having a hard time adjusting to the fact that Christmas is right around the corner? Where in the heck did this year go???
Yes! I got some shopping done online last night so I'm getting better with it, but I'm still depressed at how quickly it seems to have come this year. :(
How much longer until Peanut, Kelly? :)
Rikenbomb
11-28-2007, 01:18 PM
Calculus 1 is fun. :) Calc 2 and 3 is where things get really frustrating. :)
I'm finishing up Calc 2. I'll be glad when it's finally over. I won't have any more math to take after that. :banana:
gdburke
11-28-2007, 05:06 PM
Nope, not been hibernating, just been busy, hope everyone had a good thanksgiving and didn't eat to much!!
I too just got my 00 some new shoes...
Goodyear Tires | Eagle | Browse Tires | Eagle F1 All Season (http://www.goodyeartires.com/cfmx/web/gyeagle/browseTires.cfm?PRODLINE=154224)
Goodyear Eagle F1 All Seasons.
Oooh those look nice! :)
Did you do anything to fix the 99 yet?
gdburke
11-28-2007, 06:07 PM
Still trying to determine the length of the servo piston, getting closer!
Also I couldn't pass up this on the new tires for the '00...
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And the * details...
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So it was a win-win no matter how I looked at it!
tnkgurl
11-28-2007, 06:11 PM
Yes! I got some shopping done online last night so I'm getting better with it, but I'm still depressed at how quickly it seems to have come this year. :(
How much longer until Peanut, Kelly? :)
TOO DAMN LONG!!!! :rofl::rofl:
62 days, but she's ahead of herself as far as growth (like three weeks) so we'll see if it really takes 62 days. I, of course, am encouraging her to come out sooner rather than later. Is it child abuse when you yell :gtfo: while your child is in utero?? :shrug:
Nope, not at all. I think just about all of the moms-to-be that I've been around have pleaded with (and yelled at) their kids to be early. :rofl: The lady whose cube is next to mine at work is due on 1/31 and she's about to that point too. Pick a name yet or just sticking with Peanut? :biggrin:
David, it does sound like a win-win situation. Hopefully you like those though and don't even need to return or exchange them.
This part isn't nice though:
use in any racing-related activities or competitive events
Boo. :( That ruins all of the fun! ;)
skater
11-28-2007, 09:46 PM
I'm finishing up Calc 2. I'll be glad when it's finally over. I won't have any more math to take after that. :banana:
Part of me feels like a fraud because I don't remember much of Calc 2. :)
Calc 1 I remember. My first girlfriend was in the class with me. Calc 3 I remember, hooo boy. I spent the night before the third test in the class setting up for a Rusted Root concert...the morning, too. I was working on getting it set up, left to take the test, then had lunch, then back to the setup to finish up before the 7 p.m. show (or whatever it was).
Calc 2, though...hmmm...
This irrelevancy brought to you by a 2 hour speed team practice on top of an already long day. :) (Also, I just noticed this is my 4500th post!)
Rikenbomb
11-29-2007, 11:18 AM
RJ, we are finishing up infinte series. Honestly wtf is that useful for? :rofl:
Man I don't want to come back to Maryland. Vacation goes by too fast. :(
tnkgurl
11-29-2007, 12:09 PM
Nope, not at all. I think just about all of the moms-to-be that I've been around have pleaded with (and yelled at) their kids to be early. :rofl: The lady whose cube is next to mine at work is due on 1/31 and she's about to that point too. Pick a name yet or just sticking with Peanut? :biggrin:
We have a name all picked out, but we're not sharing until after she's born. I just feel like so much of the surprise is taken out of the whole process that I at least want to surprise people with her name. However, she will probably be Peanut for the rest of her life! :rofl::rofl:
Sounds like a good plan. :) And Peanut is a good nickname.
Welcome back Henry. It's going to be like 26° over night this weekend. You came back just in time... :tongue:
RJ I really will make it there one day... :flushed:
skater
11-29-2007, 08:29 PM
RJ, we are finishing up infinte series. Honestly wtf is that useful for? :rofl:
*tries to remember* Are those the Taylor and McLaurin series? If so, those things are amazingly useful - they can be used to estimate the value of a function that you can't easily calculate. They're one of many numerical methods that make us (well, computers now) capable of doing calculations that would require integration of functions that can't be integrated. Or, they can be used to do something like calculate Pi or e to as many places as you want. Or, if the function is just REALLY HARD to calculate for some reason, you can use a series to estimate the result.
RJ I really will make it there one day... :flushed:
They made some changes to the schedule - practice is now from 6-8 p.m., but they now have the option of scheduling parties at that time, so our practice might be canceled for that or other reasons. I doubt it'll happen often but you might want to check with me before you drive over. I'll warn you - it's quite a bit less formal than yours was - last night we just kind of puttered around all night, did some relays, that sort of thing; none of us were very motivated or having a good night. Usually we're better than that, though.
:rofl: Yeah, we definitely had a set routine and when we were having an off night, we were punished. ;) I'll get there, but not anytime in the next couple of weeks - too much homework...
I have 2 projects and 1 massive paper due this weekend. :( Finals are next weekend.
skater
12-02-2007, 09:15 AM
New IMRC works. :) But I dropped the metal clip for the throttle cable and can't find it. :banghead:
D'oh. :(
Well at least the IMRC works. :) Lights still acting up?
skater
12-02-2007, 07:19 PM
D'oh. :(
Well at least the IMRC works. :) Lights still acting up?
Beats me. Kinda hard to drive it when you can't accelerate. ;)
Bah, you can drive, you just have to let it take its time. :)
skater
12-02-2007, 09:07 PM
And, yes, it does bother me that an entire car can be rendered useless by the loss of a part that would cost about $0.39 if you could buy it separate from the throttle cable. :rolleyes:
69Boss302
12-03-2007, 08:28 AM
RJ, what did you lose?
skater
12-03-2007, 08:40 AM
I'm not sure how to describe it - basically, the plastic piece on the end of the throttle cable goes over the ball on the bracket, then this clip goes over the plastic piece and clips on to the ball so the throttle cable stays in place. You don't happen to have one of those laying around, do you? :)
:rofl: I love that description!!!
Mike has tons of spare stuff, he's probably got one of those too...
69Boss302
12-03-2007, 02:00 PM
I'll see what I got when I get home.
daemond
12-03-2007, 09:35 PM
That would be the piece they lost when they put my tranny and clutch in. they welded 3 washers in there to fix it (better than the original). As for the lights dimming on a cougar mine has done that worse since putting my alt in. But the day before Thanksgiving I come up cut the car off only to come out later to leave again to the starter kicking out but not turning the car over. Get the battery tested its ok...so take the starter out (leeeeemmme tell you how fun that was). Find out the starter is ok...put it all back in clean up the grounds and now car starts and lights don't flicker!!!!![
QUOTE=skater;1387090]I'm not sure how to describe it - basically, the plastic piece on the end of the throttle cable goes over the ball on the bracket, then this clip goes over the plastic piece and clips on to the ball so the throttle cable stays in place. You don't happen to have one of those laying around, do you? :)[/QUOTE]
Mine started a fun new trick today too...
I stopped at the gas station and filled up, went about my way. On my way home from work my gas gauge drops below E, idiot light comes on, miles to empty goes ---. :( It seems random, it will do that for a few minutes and then it all comes back. Sometimes it cuts out longer than others. I got it to fix itself by going over a bunch of bumps... This car is going to drive me crazy yet. :crazy:
skater
12-04-2007, 07:23 AM
This car is going to drive me crazy yet. :crazy:
I think that's part of Ford's plan, for all of us...
daemond, so you're thinking it's a ground problem? I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case - it does seem like a loose wire somewhere (just by how fast they flicker).
daemond
12-04-2007, 05:30 PM
Yeah thats all that I can think of for it to be cause that is the only thing I basically touched besides the #$$#R$$ starter heh....
And Tigg I think there is a float in your gas tank that tells you how much you have in there...that could be sticking (I could be wrong here but I believe that is how older cars did it.)
I dunno what's causing it, but it was okay today. It's very temperamental. :)
skater
12-04-2007, 06:23 PM
First, let me just say...
I FOUND IT!!!!
Ha! Silly Cougar! Thought you could beat ME, eh? I think NOT.
skater
12-04-2007, 06:25 PM
For the fuel gauge thing, daemond is right for older cars - for example, my camper's fuel gauge doesn't work for either tank reliably, and the problem is most likely exactly that part (times two, one for each tank :rolleyes:). It could also be the problem for our cars; I don't believe fuel-level-sensing technology has really improved, but I think it's far more likely to be an electrical gremlin of some kind, knowing our cars.
(Off to put 'er back together and go for a test drive.)
:banana: Yaaaaayyyyyy RJ! :banana:
Who knows what the crazy car is doing. It did it once before, and then nothing until yesterday. The only thing I can think of is that I had the tank low, about 1/8 of a tank (which I very rarely do) and maybe it got confused or something. The last time it did it, it was just after I filled up and had gone about 30 miles again. I can't remember how low it was when I filled up though. I'll be paying attention now though! My car is special, I don't put anything past it... :goofy:
skater
12-04-2007, 07:27 PM
Cougar is running just fine with the replacement IMRC. Thanks 69Boss302. You rock. :)
:thumbsup: Excellent news.
69Boss302
12-05-2007, 12:15 AM
RJ,
sorry I couldn't back to you sooner but I am glad you found the piece. I worked very late yesterday, early this morning and am now just getting home after my final. On top of that I was getting a login error too.
In order to accept POST request originating from this domain, the admin must add this domain to the whitelist. Whatever the hell that means.
yeah, like I said before if it goves you problems in the near future just let me know.
gamiller
12-05-2007, 02:53 PM
Whatever the hell that means.
I don't know how helpful this will be, but if you're completely lost:
POST is the Power on Self-Test performed by the BIOS (Basic Input Output System) whenever a computer powers up. A "white list" is opposite a "black list", so adding something to a white list is a means by which to grant access or privilege.
The request is being denied because the computer or network of origin has not yet been authorized to do so.
skater
12-05-2007, 03:10 PM
I don't know how helpful this will be, but if you're completely lost:
POST is the Power on Self-Test performed by the BIOS (Basic Input Output System) whenever a computer powers up. A "white list" is opposite a "black list", so adding something to a white list is a means by which to grant access or privilege.
The request is being denied because the computer or network of origin has not yet been authorized to do so.
I think it's an error returned by the forum, not his computer. It has nothing to do with the computer POST.
POST in this case is referring to a method of form submittal over the internet (GET is the other method).
Everybody stay safe in the snow?
I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by my otherwise crappy old tires, they did pretty well today and tonight. The only street that was slick was my street and even then I didn't slide, just had to go slow. :)
I got to go to the Elliot in the Morning (DC101) Non-Denominational Christmas Show tonight at the 9:30 club in DC. Silver Sun Pick-ups, Finger Eleven and Papa Roach played, great show, even with the snow!
skater
12-06-2007, 07:28 AM
No problem here. My office even went to Silver Spring for lunch and back (I drove), and I went skating last night (the public session was canceled but we still had practice). However my usual Subway stop after skating was closed, so I had to find another one. This is all with the Impala with its horrible tires, too.
frinesi2
12-06-2007, 01:24 PM
My Kumhos seem to hate any form of water, liquid or solid, but they did okay in the snow I guess. I got home from school.
gamiller
12-06-2007, 02:52 PM
I think it's an error returned by the forum, not his computer. It has nothing to do with the computer POST.
POST in this case is referring to a method of form submittal over the internet (GET is the other method).
D'oh! You're right on that one. The important bit is that communications from the server were not allowed on his network. I guess I was troubleshooting Vista for too long the other day...
Anyone read "The World Is Flat" by Thomas Friedman?
I have to write a book report (WTF?) for my Strategic Management class on it. :( 5 pages, single spaced... Due by midnight tonight. I'm on page 3.
69Boss302
12-24-2007, 08:17 PM
Well, here's what I've been working on today.
2.5 Crunchiness - CEG Forums (http://contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?t=23579)
skater
12-24-2007, 08:53 PM
Yeah - a small knock that had just developed. :rofl:
Cougargrrl99
12-24-2007, 09:02 PM
Anyone read "The World Is Flat" by Thomas Friedman?
I have to write a book report (WTF?) for my Strategic Management class on it. :( 5 pages, single spaced... Due by midnight tonight. I'm on page 3.
I've gotten through half of it. I bought it for leisure reading on the plane out to CA I think? What I've read has been pretty interesting (had to stop because I was then focusing on reading for classes).
How'd your report turn out? Did you like the book? How about Jet Blue's Mormon housewives? Interesting! Right now, that's all I specifically recall other than the general concept of globalization because this was over Labor Day (I believe) that I traveled out there.
I read some of it and skimmed other parts. Got the report done with an hour to spare! :biggrin: Don't know how it turned out yet, I haven't checked my grade. ;) What I did read was interesting and he does make a good point. When I first started it I was thinking "yeah, right, okay" but as I read it, I had to agree with him. I'll keep it and maybe read it more in depth one day.
Yeah Mike, I think you've got to write that one off completely. :ugh:
69Boss302
12-24-2007, 11:11 PM
That's why I bought a 3.0 a long time ago. I only needed the timing cover, oil cooler and a few other things off the old motor.
Fordham brewery Copperhead Ale sure makes things more fun. And it's going to be a yummy Christmas dinner with Copperhead and organic spaghetti and fresh made garlic bread. yum yum.
It's time for bed now.
:rofl: I'm glad you had a helper to keep things fun for you. Enjoy your dinner, sounds good. :)
I have more presents to wrap. :disgust:
69Boss302
12-24-2007, 11:24 PM
sucker...no presents from me for anyone. Don't want anything either. And no one can fuss at me either for it. Bah humbug
I told you I have a card for you. :tongue:
I don't mind giving presents, I just hate wrapping them. :)
Merry Christmas Scrooge.
69Boss302
12-25-2007, 08:34 AM
you did not. wait a sec, does it have the keys to the vette? or the password to some dead billionares account? the latter would be preferred
I want to go back to sleep.
Yes I did, in the Christmas thread. :tongue:
Thanks ov3n! :biggrin: :wave: Merry TiggMas to you too. :kiss:
Good luck RJ... Work interferes with my plans too. In fact I'm at work now. :( (But only until 2:00)
Mike if you want help later on I'll be around. Have a card for you too. :)
But no, no Vette keys. If you're nice I'll bring it down to deliver your card though. :)
69Boss302
12-25-2007, 06:42 PM
Yes I did, in the Christmas thread. :tongue:
But no, no Vette keys. If you're nice I'll bring it down to deliver your card though. :)
huh, it seems you did. ;)
I have to be nice too? That's asking a bit much. I don't like being nice becuase my heart feels warm and fuzzy and I don't like that.
It can be a little scary. :goofy: :rofl:
skater
12-27-2007, 02:51 PM
Seen on a sign in Baltimore:
"Ho ho ho
Brian must go"
:thumbsup: Most definitely.
69Boss302
12-28-2007, 09:26 PM
I like the rain. Wish it was snow.
:crazy:
Yaayyyy Ravens! :biggrin: 5-11!!! But, we beat the Steelers.
skater
12-30-2007, 07:37 PM
And Henry was sure this was going to be a loss. :)
P.S. Good to see Musa Smith get more playing time, too - he was very good at Georgia. :)
69Boss302
12-30-2007, 09:44 PM
Nicky,
Mario doesn't work but so far Cobra Triangle does.
RJ it should have been a loss, they messed up our draft pick plan. :rofl:
Musa did well today, I was glad to see it too. He was doing well before that broken leg and it took a long time for him to come back from that. I still shudder when I see those replays. :ugh:
Cobra Triangle?? No, no, the deal was Mario. :rofl: You shot down Paper Boy and the Legend of Zelda. ;)
I haven't hooked mine up yet, but I will try tomorrow to see if we can get it on the big screen. Imagine a 1 foot Mario running around...
69Boss302
12-30-2007, 11:51 PM
I just said paperboy gives me nightmares. Didn't say anything about zelda. Sad thing though, my zelda battery is dead. Went to replace it and it's soldered in. It's a normal 2032 battery like from a car remote only sodered. crap. I can't find my dragon warrior though. ugghh, I was the KING of that game and had such a badass dude too. I was killing wraiths, wyverns and stone and gold dudes in like 2 hits too. that's been like 15 years ago and I still remember it. Next is to try Metroid. Rad Racer doesn't work. Need to find RC Pro Am. I've got a bag of games somewhere.
:rofl:
I'll let you know when Zelda comes in. I'll keep Paper Boy away from you, wouldn't want to contribute to your bad dreams. ;)
Let me know if you want any of the games I have.
Anybody else have an interesting day today? (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/02/maryland.hospital/index.html)
I work about 2 minutes from Laurel Regional Hospital. We were pretty much locked down all day today. :thumbsdn:
handyandy
01-02-2008, 08:21 PM
my day was comparatively boring but in a good way.
I remember when that guy in Fairfax was gunning police officers at a police station and 28 north was literally closed to traffic just one long parking lot...
Luckily this didn't mess with traffic too much, just with going in and out of the building and around town...
skater
01-02-2008, 09:26 PM
The guy was caught just a block or so down the street from where I work. :rolleyes:
handyandy
01-02-2008, 09:47 PM
be thankful the police weren't looking for his "accomplice" like they were here a year and a half ago in Fairfax :D
skater
01-03-2008, 07:35 AM
:ugh: Sorry RJ...
Well, between the stray bullets, the stabbing deaths of two 70+ year old women literally across the street (and I mean literally - the shopping center where it happened is directly across the street from the gate I use), and the murder of a teenager for offering a girl a Slushee, this is actually one of the quieter things that has happened here.
Update: Actually they apparently had a shootout (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/02/AR2008010200902.html?hpid=topnews) with that guy and killed him. Okay, so that moves it up the list but I think it still doesn't top the stabbings or the murder of the teenager.
skater
01-03-2008, 09:13 AM
Wow. One article that sums up all the problems with the projects I work on (http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=38942&dcn=e_gvet). It's VERY eye-opening, even for me who knew most of what is in the article.
One thing I do have to comment on in the article (only one):
...the "Census Bureau has a lack of personnel with large-scale IT program management experience."
We have (had) an entire division here that can do it and in fact did do most of the software we used in the past. But we threw them out when we hired FDCA, and they've all moved to other jobs, some even taking demotions in the process.