Will some1 explain this plez?

[businessjeff]

DISCLAIMER: READ AT YOUR OWN WILL, DO NOT TAKE OFFENSIVLY THIS IS NOT TARGETED TOWARDS YOU OR ANY SPECIFIC PERSON. RATHER, IT IS COLLECTIVELY TARGETED AT A GROUP OF INTELIECTS WITH COMMON INTERESTS GATHERED TOGETHER IN A COMMUNITY OF OPEN DISCUSSION FORUMS.

Alright, well first off this isnt to rant and rave cause I could care less. This as well isnt to bash or offend people. I am just not understanding what is going on with these forums and why its allowed.

Please before you even read furthur, do not waste your time or others with negative responses, its quite sad, but I guess for now on I will have to post a disclaimer on all my threads or responses.


This person asked.....

Is the Cougar for me?!?!!?

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So, I'm totally in love with the cougar (99-02), my boyfriend had one when we first got together, it was a 01, black, with zinik wheels, and a good system. I really don't which zinik wheels or what in the system, but I fell in love w/the car. He sold it about a month later and got a 2004 F150 Lariat SuperCrew. Which he has the wheels on and the system, but I was wondering if yall could advise me on what to look for in a cougar. I'm just going to buy one w/o the wheels system and all just plain so i can customize it and make it my own.
I just want some pointers. I definately want black or white. I think also w/o leather. I love the look of them. ( The boyfriend hates that about me.) But I was just looking for someone who knows about them and whats the best decisions to make, and all. Thanks a bunch.
Some of the responses covering common problems were about the alternator and sunroof. I responded by mentioning the problems a lot of people suffer with the oil pan baffles and the pick up tube. And I get attacked.... yet again. And further more, when I try and talk to the moderator about it, I get insulted by him and he publicly post it, how I was trying to resolve the issue the way I thought they were meant to be handled.

so heres what I said

I wouldnt get the vs model. I dont know how they optioned the 4 cyls but you may or may not be able to get a 4cyl loaded, id look into that. The v6 is going to cost more in gas, and mostly maintance. 2 extra cylinders means a lot more parts.

If it is a v6 then get one that has the updated oil pan kit. I think they fixed this in what 01 and up?? Other wise you will end up like 70% of the people on these forums wondering why your motor blew up, spend a few months reading, find out how ford is a evil and horrible company and hate life.

I dont think anyone has ever mentioned this also but I cant drive mine for more than 20 min without my legs going numb, but im used to driving trucks.
This is the rude illicit behavior that I say trashes newcougar.org but everyone seems to think I egg it on some how, some1 even told me once that "I deserve what ever comes my way"

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I would be surprised if you could find 5 people who have had catastrophic engine failure under normal circumstances.

Why are you still here?!?!?

Go home, troll.
So I reported the post and I get told im flaming..... This is where I am really lost. I try and post a reply to some1 asking a question. And somehow my response is flaming. Wouldnt all the people talking about the alternators and sunroofs be flaming as well? I just dont see it.

This is how the "moderator" responded to my PRIVATE MESSAGE (key word PRIVATE)
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Let's see, you made a flaming post about how 70% of cougar owners here had their car blow up, then somebody responded that you were trolling (which you were), and now you're going to return it by reporting the post? I'm locking this thread, it's going nowhere fast and will turn into one big FAILBOAT.

Keep it civil in the future, on all sides. Thanks.
If I had know about the oil pan issues when I bought my 99 cougar I would of spent $150 for the kit to fix it. Instead I go around a turn and my motor blows up...... Apparently I am less than 1 or 5 this has ever happened to according to B3NN3T's mentality. I would have to surmise that only fewer than 5 people having this problem wouldnt make it a design flaw worthy of releasing a fix it kit or revising the motor in 2001. That takes millions that Ford would not spend on fewer than 5 incidences.

Will some1 voice their opinion on weather or not i am of the very few on this site who has lost a motor from the oil pan issue? I remember a constant flow of people coming into the 2.5 section asking "whats wrong" at the time I was researching the very same thing. Wouldn’t you agree that a lot of new members seem to be joining trying to learn how to fix their blown motor. And most importantly, if you were shopping for a cougar would you consider this valuable information that you need to know before purchasing one?
So will some1 explain how I was flaming by saying that?

[wadespencer99]

70%?

Seriously....more than 70% know to keep it full of oil.

[bubby]

IBTL.


The thing is, you throw out figures like you know what you're talking about. You are referring to the spun bearing issue with the oil pan. That only occurs with the old oil pan under HARD CORNERING for a certain amount of time. It does not happen under normal driving conditions.

You then go on to insult a well respected and knowledgeable member of this forum by telling him to punch himself in the face the next time he wants to post. So what do you expect everyone to do? Kiss your ass?


Go home, troll.

[BigBalledOX]

70%?

Seriously....more than 70% know to keep it full of oil.

Why bother trying Wade? He knows everything about everything, and evidently the Cougar has left him destitute since he would be "a much richer man if he had known" about the 2.5L's possibly spinning a rod bearing due to oil starvation. Everyone should just shut up and let him trash the car, after all, he had issues with it that he couldn't fix for $27.34, so it MUST be a pile. :rolleyes:

[businessjeff]

I would agree that 70% is not right nor accurate. I used it more as a figure of speech.

I think arguing over a specific number where specifics are not the issue at hand falls into the same category as people arguing over misspelled words.


Thanks for the insults BTW.

[businessjeff]

wow lol. I guess you have a lot lower standards for things like idk... quality manufacturing.

To me having to run oil a quart higher than normal and not being able to take turns at speed are not expectable, but I guess if to you thats an expectable level of engineering flaw you are willing to defend to the death over.

And what great assumptions you make. However, no one has even attempted to answer the questions at hand.

[B3NN3TT]

Why don't you drive it off a cliff?

You have some stones, talking about being helpful.

IBTL

[wadespencer99]

Why don't you drive it off a cliff?



He can't....it blew up!!! :rofl:


Where do you get running a quart more oil than normal? doesn't the manual call for 5.8? That should put it right at the full mark...

[contrapaul]

was this thread really necessary?

[businessjeff]

B3NN3T If you actually read that thread.. you would discover I was quoting someone. Nice job yet again. I thought we went over what to do about the whole thing with when your going to type??


Thanks everyone for proving what newcougar.org is capable of.

[whiteboy477]

I would agree that 70% is not right nor accurate. I used it more as a figure of speech.


personally I do not know you or remember reading any of your post but saying that 70% of the motors due it is really off.

Just a word of advice throw out a % makes people think that you are pulling out a fact so why not say. "Well one thing that i would watch out for is that there is a known problem with taking long hard right turns which can cause oil starvation. to give you some piece of mind I would suggest buying the revised oil pan always keep the oil full."

I hate when people say things and throw out % when they do not know for sure. Its like talking about crank walk issue on a DSM.

[B3NN3TT]

Every time this guy posts I can't help but think of the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the peasant is screaming "Help, help, I'm being repressed!"

as I punch myself in the face, of course.

[Bigtime2112]

Albert Mehrabian is a psychologist who became famous for the assertion that within human communication words account for 7%, tone of voice accounts for 38%, and body language accounts for 55%. On a forum such as this your body language means nothing. It's all about what you say and how you say it.

Other wise you will end up like 70% of the people on these forums wondering why your motor blew up, spend a few months reading, find out how ford is a evil and horrible company and hate life.

When you say this, a statement that is obviously an exaggeration, you're going to offend people, whether you intend to or not. Your cougar broke down. That sucks, but mine didn't so when you say stuff like that it is going to offend someone. Now I see that you've got a dakota. I had an '89 Dakota that broke down, right after my '85 Buick, and right before my '97 stratus and my '99 Stratus. I really don't trust Dodge at all, and I'm pretty iffy on GM. I've had nothing but bad luck with them. I'm not on a Dodge forum throwing out my bad experiences with Dodge and insulting you.

I don't think you're a bad guy, in fact, its a good thing for someone to know everything about a car so they know what they are getting themselves into. I don't think you were out of line for mentioning the particular problem that ruined your cougar, however you were completely out of line in your exaggeration of statistics (especially when a potential buyer is reading it and may not want to purchase a car she really likes because you said 70% just to try and prove a point) and your remarks about the Ford motor company.

There is no body language on a forum, so communication is based solely on what you say and how you say it. I don't have a problem with you Jeff, but I like my car, and I like Ford, and that doesn't mean there is something wrong with me, it means I have an opinion. Just like you have an opinion, and you have just as much right to be on this forum as I do, but you have no right to come here and make comments that offend other users. If you offend someone you will get flamed. Even if you didn't intend to offend, you did; just remember that how you say it, how you type it, is how we'll read it, and if it's negative, you're going to p!55 someone off.

[wadespencer99]

Albert Mehrabian is a psychologist who became famous for the assertion that within human communication words account for 7%, tone of voice accounts for 38%, and body language accounts for 55%. On a forum such as this your body language means nothing. It's all about what you say and how you say it.



When you say this, a statement that is obviously an exaggeration, you're going to offend people, whether you intend to or not. Your cougar broke down. That sucks, but mine didn't so when you say stuff like that it is going to offend someone. Now I see that you've got a dakota. I had an '89 Dakota that broke down, right after my '85 Buick, and right before my '97 stratus and my '99 Stratus. I really don't trust Dodge at all, and I'm pretty iffy on GM. I've had nothing but bad luck with them. I'm not on a Dodge forum throwing out my bad experiences with Dodge and insulting you.

I don't think you're a bad guy, in fact, its a good thing for someone to know everything about a car so they know what they are getting themselves into. I don't think you were out of line for mentioning the particular problem that ruined your cougar, however you were completely out of line in your exaggeration of statistics (especially when a potential buyer is reading it and may not want to purchase a car she really likes because you said 70% just to try and prove a point) and your remarks about the Ford motor company.

There is no body language on a forum, so communication is based solely on what you say and how you say it. I don't have a problem with you Jeff, but I like my car, and I like Ford, and that doesn't mean there is something wrong with me, it means I have an opinion. Just like you have an opinion, and you have just as much right to be on this forum as I do, but you have no right to come here and make comments that offend other users. If you offend someone you will get flamed. Even if you didn't intend to offend, you did; just remember that how you say it, how you type it, is how we'll read it, and if it's negative, you're going to p!55 someone off.


I'm giving you the noobie of the year award for that post. Go Keystone! w00t!

[jank]

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Was wondering why everyone was blowing up at the guy for 70% something and there was nothing talking about 70% anything in the original post.

[businessjeff]

its almost comical to see how mad people get over me using a number as a tool to get my point across as you put it. Thats exactly what is was intended for.

Thanks for being the first person to give an actualy respons to the question. Take note in how many post you have made. That number seems to be how intelligent you are and also determs what you can or cannot say or think. So you are probably not allowed to say or think what you have said or are thinking right not. I would have to guess that you should be expecting a violation or warning soon.

But in all seriousness, comparing your respons to all the "elders" who are the people that are in charge of an run this site and I guess its no wonder why is it what it is. Although I cant say what it is, for that would be thinking and my opinion both of which I am not allowed to do.

My intent of responding to the girls question was to inform here of issues when it come to picking what year and make cougar to get. Very imortant stuff. It was not made to offend or insult cougar owners, only inform.

[businessjeff]

Was wondering why everyone was blowing up at the guy for 70% something and there was nothing talking about 70% anything in the original post.

you would have to read the post here.
I deleted the topic entry of this post to keep people from gettin thier feelings hurt. This thread should be locked and hopefully deleted.

You can read what Im refering to here.
http://www.newcougar.org/forums/welcome/116192-possibly-buying-00-cougar.html

[wadespencer99]

You need to read Bigtime's post about 6 more times. He laid it out perfectly for you, without insulting you or being arrogant.

[Bigtime2112]

I don't have a problem with you Jeff

I do now, I tried to be civil. And please, before you insult my intelligence in a post, use the spell check, it's in the upper left corner of the posting page.

Thanks for being such a sweetheart

:kiss:

[wadespencer99]

:rofl:

10 more points for Bigtime.

[BigBalledOX]

But in all seriousness, comparing your respons to all the "elders" who are the people that are in charge of an run this site and I guess its no wonder why is it what it is. Although I cant say what it is, for that would be thinking and my opinion both of which I am not allowed to do.


Ah yes, of course! Its everyone else who is the asshole! Its CERTAINLY not you! Maybe you should get familiar with the phrase "Every time you point a finger at someone else, you've got three pointing back at you" kid. Its funny how its ok for you to give your opinion, but then when someone responds with their OWN opinion, you get your panties in a wad.

If you don't like the forums, you're free to log out and never visit again. The solution to allllllll your problems with this website lies with a single click of the mouse.

[jank]

its almost comical to see how mad people get over me using a number as a tool to get my point across as you put it. Thats exactly what is was intended for.

Thanks for being the first person to give an actualy respons to the question. Take note in how many post you have made. That number seems to be how intelligent you are and also determs what you can or cannot say or think. So you are probably not allowed to say or think what you have said or are thinking right not. I would have to guess that you should be expecting a violation or warning soon.

But in all seriousness, comparing your respons to all the "elders" who are the people that are in charge of an run this site and I guess its no wonder why is it what it is. Although I cant say what it is, for that would be thinking and my opinion both of which I am not allowed to do.

My intent of responding to the girls question was to inform here of issues when it come to picking what year and make cougar to get. Very imortant stuff. It was not made to offend or insult cougar owners, only inform.

How in the hell does his post count have anything to do with what he knows about Psychology?

[NorCalCoug]

But in all seriousness, comparing your respons to all the "elders" who are the people that are in charge of an run this site and I guess its no wonder why is it what it is. Although I cant say what it is, for that would be thinking and my opinion both of which I am not allowed to do.


No, once again, you fail at the internets.

If the "elders" of this site are the way you say they are, you would've gotten a one-way ticket on the ban train long ago. But guess what, you haven't.

I locked the thread because it was going to get out of hand.

If you walk into a room full of Christians and say "HAY GUYS GOD IS A LOAD OF CRAP LOLZ!"- that's trolling, and you can expect a harsh response.

If you walk into a messageboard full of Cougar enthusiasts and say "HAY GUYS COUGARS SUCK AND FORD SUCKS TOO LOLZ!"- that's trolling, and you can expect a harsh response.

As noted many times before, if you have a problem with a moderator's actions, feel free to take it up with them. You've already opened that dialogue with me via PM, I'm not going to let this scab fester here where it's ultimately going to turn into a WTFBBQ of flamewar that will result in me having to ban half the board for rules violations. So yeah. :lock: