Toshiba vs MacBook [Archive]

ND4SPD

08-06-2007, 11:39 AM

well, from a totally neutral standpoint...

-one will open up a whole new world of possibilities and worry free computing, you will have less headaches, you won't have to fuss or fiddle over getting programs to work, or having hidden little files and being unsure if something is REALLY uninstalled. you will have no viruses, popups, and nothing will ever 'automatically' install unless you enter your admin password.
It is cool, sleek, compact and has a nice bright display, interfaces with virtually everything you could ever want, and comes with actually useful software already loaded in with no junk that needs uninstalling the first day you buy it.

-...and the other is a Toshiba :tongue:

B3NN3TT

08-06-2007, 12:26 PM

I'll admit I'm biased as well.

But I have a 12" iBook for a daily driver. And although I like the huge Toshiba screen, I also HATE to lug around a huge laptop. I mean, portability's the reason to buy a portable! I plug the iBook into a large external monitor if I'm using it at home.

There's nothing the Toshiba can do that the MacBook cannot. And try booting into OSX on the Toshiba :rofl:

MacBook, by a landslide.

ND4SPD

08-06-2007, 01:35 PM

although I like the huge Toshiba screen, I also HATE to lug around a huge laptop. I mean, portability's the reason to buy a portable! I plug the iBook into a large external monitor if I'm using it at home.

Indeed! Sometimes I would really like to trade in my 15" powerbook G4, for a 13" macbook...... I have a 22" monitor at home if i want 'big', and even a 15" laptop can get a little annoying to carry around.

adam

08-06-2007, 02:45 PM

go with the macbook. i work for apple actually and i hear nothing but good things about them. the only complaint i ever hear is about the size of the screen.

-CRAZY-

08-06-2007, 02:48 PM

i never liked macbooks, now i m actually thinking of buying one...
1 very big thing over the toshiba - reliability. new toshibas are .....!
go with black mac - sexy thing, besides - it run windows too....

adam

08-06-2007, 11:09 PM

if you do go with a macbook make sure u get the Apple Care Protection Plan (APP). its Worth every penny.

ND4SPD

08-06-2007, 11:17 PM

oh yes... heh, I accidently spilled a drink on mine in the first 3 months and got the keyboard got replaced...........free :) (well, "free" ... heh, it was the APP)

rastaman

08-06-2007, 11:40 PM

toshiba over the crapbook, uh, macbook....

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 09:44 AM

In our house, we've had Tosh, HP, Compaq, Sony, Gateway, Dell, and Mac.

The HP is still running strong, but did crash two weeks ago....But that was a windows issue, not an HP Hardware issue.

I've been very happy with the HP. Its served me very very well thus far. I don't know were people, whom have never owned one, get their information about them, but its sorely misplaced.

My Dad has had his Mac now for about 10 months (I think). He absolutely loves the thing. All Microsoft product and systems that use Microsoft are "complete and utter garbage compared to the Mac".

Go for the Mac....Its a little wierd to figure out with certain things at first, but it has a great tutorial system too.

If you're still on the fence, go have a look at an HP Entertainment notebook, and see for yourself.

.......But go Mac

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 09:57 AM

I've used a Mac at school so I am somewhat used to how it works, but, I will need to use it again to become familiar with it again. What I'm trying to decide is, which one will be better for what I need it for. I've gotten used to the nice 17" screen to watch movies on, and I would miss it if I went for the mac. But Mac has programs that I would probably use more often...

Decisions, decisions....

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 10:21 AM

I've gotten used to the nice 17" screen to watch movies on, and I would miss it if I went for the mac.

Decisions, decisions....

Buy a flat screen monitor for when watching movies they're not that expensive anymore. Doesn't the Mac come in a 17" too?

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 10:37 AM

Buy a flat screen monitor for when watching movies they're not that expensive anymore. Doesn't the Mac come in a 17" too?

It does... but it costs $3099.00 and I have a $1500 credit to work with. I don't mind paying a little more for the difference, but not twice the amount.
So the 13" is the closest to the price. I can always buy a seperate monitor, but it's an expense I don't need right now.

ND4SPD

08-07-2007, 11:06 AM

The mac has a Digital Video Input connection for connecting to an external monitor - and a 22" DVI lcd monitor can be had for around $250 at futureshop when they have a sale ;) (it also has a dvi/vga adapter incase you want to use your current monitor and it doesn't have a dvi-i plug)

the mac also has an S-Video connection if you want to hook it up to a tv :)

B3NN3TT

08-07-2007, 11:12 AM

The mac has a Digital Video Input connection for connecting to an external monitor - and a 22" Acer lcd monitor can be had for $259 at futureshop ;) (it also has a dvi/vga adapter incase you want to use your current monitor and it doesn't have a dvi-i plug)

the mac also has an S-Video connection if you want to hook it up to a tv :)

Exactly. And even a 17" toshiba laptop monitor isn't even as large as a small TV set.

Seriously, since you can run any flavor of Windows, Linux or OSX on any Apple machine, there is NO REASON to ever buy anything but an Apple machine. You're essentially tripling your potential.

EDIT: And what was it that you bought that turned out to be a Lemon? Perhaps more fuel for the fire...

EDIT EDIT: I just realized I'm crashing your Ontario NECO thread :rofl: sorry...

rastaman

08-07-2007, 11:35 AM

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 11:49 AM

When they stop pricing their inferior products so outrageously, maybe i'll give them another chance.

Thats one thing that Apple has to stop doing....They do charge rediculous money for their product. And they have created a fad out of it too.

I will never ever own an iPod...Biggest waste of money ever. So it can hold 60 Gigs.....Whoooty frickin doo....you gonna be able to listen to 60 gigs woth of music in a day.....If you are, then you need to get a job. lol.

iPhone? I willing to bet there is a very small percentage of people who actually need an iPhone, for everything its capable of. Blackberry's and Nokia's are much less and do just as much....No they're not as cool.

ND4SPD

08-07-2007, 11:54 AM

macs are strictly a gimmick...don't give in to peer pressure or cute commercials...you are getting less computer for the money when you buy a mac, end of story. When they stop pricing their inferior products so outrageously, maybe i'll give them another chance.
I grew up using a PC/Windows... 10+ years. Three years ago, I wanted a laptop, so I bought an Apple/OSX. As time went on, I found myself using the pc less and less. Now, it is only used for games, because thats really all its better at when you actually put both systems to practical use.

As someone who owns both systems, OSX is just simply the better computing system, and its rather funny that your strongest argument against it, seems to be that you just hate their marketing... :rofl:

Thats one thing that Apple has to stop doing....They do charge rediculous money for their product. And they have created a fad out of it too.

I will never ever own an iPod...Biggest waste of money ever. So it can hold 60 Gigs.....Whoooty frickin doo....you gonna be able to listen to 60 gigs woth of music in a day.....If you are, then you need to get a job. lol.

iPhone? I willing to bet there is a very small percentage of people who actually need an iPhone, for everything its capable of. Blackberry's and Nokia's are much less and do just as much....No they're not as cool.

You are overlooking the simple fact that the iPod (just like the Zen) is not only a music player... its essentially a portable harddrive on which you can store anything you want... Movies, pictures, music, text files, contacts, schedules/calendar, games..............porn........ heh.
I dont know about you, but ipod and apple aside... The 80gig harddrive in my pc is the size of a brick, and weighs as much. You don't think that an equivalent sized harddrive that is the size of a credit-card would cost a wee bit of cash?
(no i don't own one... that really is my unbiased take on it)

I refuse to believe you are REALLY surprised about the iPhone craze... not just because its an apple product, but people always get that tingly feeling in their pants when the latest and greatest new technology comes out.... whatever it may be.

jakesprecher

08-07-2007, 11:56 AM

I dont think you realize the value of an ipod...

You can hold thousands of songs on a tiny, light device that can easily be carried in your pocket. You can plug it in to your car radio and never mess around with CD's again. You can store hundreds of hours of video. Ipods also have a huge amount of accessory support from 3rd party companies.

Ipods are so far from being a waste of money, I think thats an ignorant thing to say.

I also just got a 15.4" macbook pro for college. The thing is a speed demon. Even if it is more expensive than a 'comparable' windows-native laptop, if offers advantages that they can't match. It is exactly an inch thin, the brushed aluminum case is great, it is whisper quiet; I would call it 'aesthetically correct.' It's just satisfying in general. Think about never having to worry about spyware or viruses ever again.

Additionally, as a student I was able to get $200 off the price, and it included in a free all-in-one printer, as well as a free Ipod. I got $2300 of stuff for $1800.

Mike

08-07-2007, 11:57 AM

Toshiba:

Intel Core2 Duo Processor T5450 @ 1.67GHz
2GB DDR2 (667 MHz)
200GB S-ATA, 4200rpm
DVD Super-Multi Double Layer Drive
17” Wide XGA+ TFT with TruBrite
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400

MacBook:

2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
1GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm
8x slot-loading SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
13.3-inch glossy widescreen TFT display
Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM

Are the specs lower? Yes. Would I call it 'inferior'? No. Does it meet her needs? Definitely!

She's looking for a small, light notebook that is good for travelling. This fits the bill perfectly. She's not looking for a desktop replacement.

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 12:00 PM

It rather funny that your strongest argument against it, seems to be that you just hate their marketing... :rofl:

I think his frustration with Mac is not so much their marketing, but more rather the people who fall victim to it. Lets be honest, there are a heck of a lot of people who buy Apple product, who don't really need it, don't really know what they got, probably can't really afford it, but because its cool, they have to have it. Then they go and bash the competition. I get peeved when I hear people talk like that too.

My hat goes off to Apple. I laugh at twits out there who are the victims. Then I get mad when I read about people having credit problems when its fully self inflicted by useless expenditure to keep up with the fads of the electronic era.

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 12:02 PM

Are the specs lower? Yes. Would I call it 'inferior'? No. Does it meet her needs? Definitely!

She's looking for a small, light notebook that is good for travelling. This fits the bill perfectly. She's not looking for a desktop replacement.

I think the better argument for the Mac is that its OS is much more stable, less prone to crashing, viruses, pop-ups, and it comes with pretty much all the software tools you'll need.

Its about the brains, not the muscle!!! ;)

Mike

08-07-2007, 12:05 PM

I think the better argument for the Mac is that its OS is much more stable, less prone to crashing, viruses, pop-ups, and it comes with pretty much all the software tools you'll need.

Its about the brains, not the muscle!!! ;)

Definitely a valid point.

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 12:14 PM

Just got off the phone with Future Shop. They did send out my laptop for repairs, meaning, it is most likely a 4th major repair. Mind you, they should have called me to authorize it being sent out, but in either case, when it comes back it will most likely be replaced. Now I just gotta make up my mind on which laptop I want as a replacement.

LadyX

08-07-2007, 12:17 PM

:shrug: I think Zen is a much better product the ipod..and it's much cheaper. Personally, I only think anybody needs a MAC if they're creating graphics.

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 12:37 PM

ND4SPD

08-07-2007, 12:39 PM

I must say I am leaning toward a mac for several reasons:

- the software already loaded is 90% of all that I need
- no pop ups/ viruses
- it can run office - a must in any computer
- it's light
- i will have a pc for everyday use whenever needed
- won't have to deal with the first edition of Vista and all of it's issues
- the obvious one: I will be more familiar with how to use a mac again

Pro's for Toshiba

-17" screen
- cheaper
- won't need additional external screens
- very familiar with usage
- bigger HDD

those are just off the top of my head.

and how many times have you sent your current laptop (pc/windows) in for repair? How many times has Mike had to send his in? ;)

:shrug: I think Zen is a much better product the ipod..and it's much cheaper.
Thats because you live with Ron ;)
But yeah, they are both pretty much the same item, just different brands, and they do the same thing.

boarder4life

08-07-2007, 01:26 PM

Toshiba:

Intel Core2 Duo Processor T5450 @ 1.67GHz
2GB DDR2 (667 MHz)
200GB S-ATA, 4200rpm
DVD Super-Multi Double Layer Drive
17” Wide XGA+ TFT with TruBrite
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400

MacBook:

2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor- faster processor giving it faster accessing speeds
1GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM-yes it has lower amounts of ram in it but there a plenty of people running 2gb of ram and not even using 512mb of that.
160GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm-faster rpm giving again faster accessing speeds so that programs made load faster
8x slot-loading SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
13.3-inch glossy widescreen TFT display-again the bigger screen can be an external if needed
Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM-the video card has its own ram so it is not slowing down the other portions of the computer attempting to access ram so that it may run a sufficient speed.

Are the specs lower? Yes. Would I call it 'inferior'? No. Does it meet her needs? Definitely!

She's looking for a small, light notebook that is good for travelling. This fits the bill perfectly. She's not looking for a desktop replacement.
i put little notes in the quote
personally im not a mac person, but i also do realize that a computer that has higher quality product put inside rather then larger numbers as a marketing gimmic is going to be a "better" functioning computer.
out of the 2 i would go with that mac, only based on the specs i read above.

What is it you would be using the laptop for if i may ask? that also plays a big factor into what laptop you should be getting.

rastaman

08-07-2007, 01:56 PM

As someone who owns both systems, OSX is just simply the better computing system, and its rather funny that your strongest argument against it, seems to be that you just hate their marketing... :rofl:

You are overlooking the simple fact that the iPod (just like the Zen) is not only a music player... its essentially a portable harddrive on which you can store anything you want... Movies, pictures, music, text files, contacts, schedules/calendar, games..............porn........ heh.
I dont know about you, but ipod and apple aside... The 80gig harddrive in my pc is the size of a brick, and weighs as much. You don't think that an equivalent sized harddrive that is the size of a credit-card would cost a wee bit of cash?
(no i don't own one... that really is my unbiased take on it)

On the contrary, I think their marketing is brilliant. Clearly, they have great business acumen as they have suckered many people into buying their "cool" products at unprecedented markups. But you ever notice how none of their marketing really has any substance? Its like one of those commercials for beer or jeans where you never really know what the hell the point is, until you see the logo at the end. I'm surprised they haven't just resorted to throwing hot chicks in bikinis into their commercials. Probably because it would upset their biggest demographic, i.e. chicks.

Case in point, look at the statements you have made about Ipods Matt (I hate to make an example of you, but its for the sake of argument). You admit that you have never owned one, and yet you go on to talk about all its great features, and then later, make the audacious statement that it does the same stuff as a Zen. You could not be farther from the truth! For the record, let me state that IPODS BLOW GOATS. I own one because my lovely wife had to have one (she falls into the category of the aforementioned "suckers"), and I could not believe what a piece of **** I just bought once I started playing with it. Portable hard drive my arse! I challenge you to buy one of these devices and try using it do what you think it can do. Want to play videos on it? Oh sure, just spend half your life converting them to Apple's quicktime format. Want to put your entire collection of music which you have spent years accumulating and organizing into the folder structure that you want? BZZZ! Forget about it, the almighty Ipod can only organize by ID3 tags, or, you can spend half your life creating new playlists. Want to upload music from your Ipod to your new PC, or laptop? NO SIR! Apple couldn't possibly allow you to do that! All you have to do is hack the firmware to make it do that though, not a big deal.

Anyways, blathering on about Ipods is deviating from the point of this thread, but to summarize, I think that its rather insidious how their marketing has made an army of followers, many of whom don't even own their products.

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 01:57 PM

What is it you would be using the laptop for if i may ask? that also plays a big factor into what laptop you should be getting.

Honestly, just everyday things. Internet, pictures, music and movies. I do use office quite a bit, but mac has that too. I don't do gaming, but have lots of media files. Although the mac has a smaller hdd, i currently use an external for all documents anyway, so space is not a big concern, even though 160gb is more than enough.

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 02:12 PM

and how many times have you sent your current laptop (pc/windows) in for repair? How many times has Mike had to send his in? ;)

I've brought mine in 5 times already, and Mike brought his in probably just as much before his got replaced. I've had mine for just over a year and a half. I'm still paying for it, and Future Shop has had it for repairs longer than I've been able to enjoy it. I know the reason why my Toshiba has been in repairs, and it's mostly due to how that model was made.

rastaman

08-07-2007, 02:13 PM

ND4SPD

08-07-2007, 02:51 PM

Case in point, look at the statements you have made about Ipods Matt (I hate to make an example of you, but its for the sake of argument). You admit that you have never owned one, and yet you go on to talk about all its great features, and then later, make the audacious statement that it does the same stuff as a Zen. You could not be farther from the truth! For the record, let me state that IPODS BLOW GOATS. I own one because my lovely wife had to have one (she falls into the category of the aforementioned "suckers"), and I could not believe what a piece of **** I just bought once I started playing with it. Portable hard drive my arse! I challenge you to buy one of these devices and try using it do what you think it can do. Want to play videos on it? Oh sure, just spend half your life converting them to Apple's quicktime format. Want to put your entire collection of music which you have spent years accumulating and organizing into the folder structure that you want? BZZZ! Forget about it, the almighty Ipod can only organize by ID3 tags, or, you can spend half your life creating new playlists. Want to upload music from your Ipod to your new PC, or laptop? NO SIR! Apple couldn't possibly allow you to do that! All you have to do is hack the firmware to make it do that though, not a big deal.

har har - infact, I am quite aware of your experience with the iPod ;) Infact I can't blame you for holding onto your opinion so strongly... I mean, after all, if someone buys a car by brand "x" and they hate the car, of course they would be very opposed to the brand from then on, even though their experience was just based on one bad experience... thats just the way people (everyone!) is.

The second thing, and you're going to love this.... my MOM has an iPod... she is the most un-tech savvy person I have ever met :rofl: and she was able to figure out how to use it within 2 days...
She now has Topgear episodes on there, all her music, contact info for friends, pictures from her vacations and trips, I loaded on some audiobooks for her... but skipping to the point, if someone like her had no problems figuring it out, i'm not sure HOW you couldn't... i mean, the damn thing is near foolproof! I played around with it too... I actually had a more difficult time figuring out how the clickwheel worked than loading stuff onto it and organising it. :flushed: lol!

Infact, I distinctly remember Norcal (who works for Apple) offer advice, and you had already made up your mind that it was crap, and didn't care. :(

But you are right... this topic isn't about the ipod, and neither of us will change our minds, so we shall just agree that we dissagree. :)

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 03:07 PM

If thats your reason for getting a Mac, then just get the computer with the better hardware, and run Linux. Problem solved.

Very true...and Linux is freeware isn't it?

Can I run Office on Linux, and things like media player?

Edit: I might just scrap windows if thats the case.

Edit x 2: The other problem with Apple that I don't like, as you mentioned Ajay, is the conversion process...Once you start using apple software on your media, its converted to act proprietarily with their software. Which is complete B/S. While its possible to convert back.....Its a huge pain in the arse...Not cool by apple....They're trying to snatch up their own monopoly. I'm surprised the Better Business Bureau hasn't had something to say about that.

ND4SPD

08-07-2007, 03:12 PM

Very true...and Linux is freeware isn't it?

yar :) Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux)

further down under 'desktop' it says:
" Additionally, CrossOver is a commercial solution based on the open source WINE project that supports running Windows versions of Microsoft Office"

I guess thats a yes?

B3NN3TT

08-07-2007, 03:23 PM

The other problem with Apple that I don't like, as you mentioned Ajay, is the conversion process...Once you start using apple software on your media, its converted to act proprietarily with their software. Which is complete B/S. While its possible to convert back.....Its a huge pain in the arse...Not cool by apple....They're trying to snatch up their own monopoly. I'm surprised the Better Business Bureau hasn't had something to say about that.

NO NO NO NO NO

This is TOTAL BS. The ONLY THING this applies to is music and video files that you PURCHASE from the iTunes music store.

MP3's and video files you make yourself from CD's, or download from other "less-reputable" sources, are no different than any other file anywhere, and are completely unfettered, unlimited, and cross-platform.

Let's dispel those rumors right now.

rastaman

08-07-2007, 03:28 PM

har har - infact, I am quite aware of your experience with the iPod ;) Infact I can't blame you for holding onto your opinion so strongly... I mean, after all, if someone buys a car by brand "x" and they hate the car, of course they would be very opposed to the brand from then on, even though their experience was just based on one bad experience... thats just the way people (everyone!) is.

The second thing, and you're going to love this.... my MOM has an iPod... she is the most un-tech savvy person I have ever met :rofl: and she was able to figure out how to use it within 2 days...
She now has Topgear episodes on there, all her music, contact info for friends, pictures from her vacations and trips, I loaded on some audiobooks for her... but skipping to the point, if someone like her had no problems figuring it out, i'm not sure HOW you couldn't... i mean, the damn thing is near foolproof! I played around with it too... I actually had a more difficult time figuring out how the clickwheel worked than loading stuff onto it and organising it. :flushed: lol!

Infact, I distinctly remember Norcal (who works for Apple) offer advice, and you had already made up your mind that it was crap, and didn't care. :(

But you are right... this topic isn't about the ipod, and neither of us will change our minds, so we shall just agree that we dissagree. :)

For the record, I never said I couldn't figure it out. Clearly, I know what the problems are, and I know how to make it work now. But as you recall, my mind was already closed to the idea of it, since I had already written off the device as a poorly thought out and gloriously expensive paperweight. The irony of it is, that Apple is supposed to the be David to Microsoft's proverbial Goliath, yet they are enforcing their own propietary formats (I'm literally shocked you can even view .JPG images on the Ipod...I was half expecting they would make people to convert images to .PNG or some other equally obscure format). Unreal!

Anyways, agree to disagree we shall :)

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 03:29 PM

NO NO NO NO NO

This is TOTAL BS. The ONLY THING this applies to is music and video files that you PURCHASE from the iTunes music store.

MP3's and video files you make yourself from CD's, or download from other "less-reputable" sources, are no different than any other file anywhere, and are completely unfettered, unlimited, and cross-platform.

Let's dispel those rumors right now.

Then I stand corrected...My bad

But on another note....I'm gonna withdraw my support for the Macbook in this situation. Whether its a better computer or not.....It costs a lot more money, and for what its needed for in this case there no extra value in it.

I'm gonna get flamed for this, but it should only come from those who have owned one and had problems: GO LOOK AT THE HP.

Like I said.....2.5 years and no issues, except windows....Thats microsoft.

Very very functional too. ANNNNNDDDDD.....Its survived numerous parties at my cottage....Thats saying something!!!

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 03:33 PM

I'm gonna get flamed for this, but it should only come from those who have owned one and had problems: GO LOOK AT THE HP.

I did look at the HP. Very nice, but the Toshiba beats it when comparing specs. Thats why I chose Toshiba over the HP. But then I walked by the Mac counter..... and the poll was formed.

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 03:40 PM

I did look at the HP. Very nice, but the Toshiba beats it when comparing specs. Thats why I chose Toshiba over the HP. But then I walked by the Mac counter..... and the poll was formed.

Sure the specs may be better, but how much of those specs are you going to fully utilise? The difference is soo marginal in terms of being able to notice....If your talking about processing speed....Take a stop watch to them and try and count the difference in whole seconds.

For what you've said you need the computer for, you could do all that with a top of the line computer from four years ago, in all honesty.

I commend you if you go with another Tosh after that experience. Mac is a lot of money for things you don't really need.

While polls are also what other people here think, and not to discount their opinions, you should go with what you think is best for you. I'd maybe shop around a little bit more. Don't rush into a decision.

Again....this is marketers making people believe that all these things matter.

Mike

08-07-2007, 03:47 PM

Sure the specs may be better, but how much of those specs are you going to fully utilise? The difference is soo marginal in terms of being able to notice....If your talking about processing speed....Take a stop watch to them and try and count the difference in whole seconds.

For what you've said you need the computer for, you could do all that with a top of the line computer from four years ago, in all honesty.

I commend you if you go with another Tosh after that experience. Mac is a lot of money for things you don't really need.

While polls are also what other people here think, and not to discount their opinions, you should go with what you think is best for you. I'd maybe shop around a little bit more. Don't rush into a decision.

Again....this is marketers making people believe that all these things matter.

I'd have to disagree. The Mac is exactly what she needs. It's a simple, easy to use, reliable, lightweight, powerful system. If anything, the Toshiba has more things she doesn't need, like the extra size and dedicated video memory, etc. She wouldn't have to add any programs to a Mac, as it comes with everything she'd need. The Toshiba would need programs removed and then replaced with better ones.

She wants a mobile computer, not a desktop replacement. She has a very good windows-based notebook as a primary computer. The Mac would be a secondary computer.

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 04:00 PM

I'd have to disagree. The Mac is exactly what she needs. It's a simple, easy to use, reliable, lightweight, powerful system. If anything, the Toshiba has more things she doesn't need, like the extra size and dedicated video memory, etc. She wouldn't have to add any programs to a Mac, as it comes with everything she'd need. The Toshiba would need programs removed and then replaced with better ones.

She wants a mobile computer, not a desktop replacement. She has a very good windows-based notebook as a primary computer. The Mac would be a secondary computer.

I thought she wanted the bigger screen and that was one of the major reasons for considering the Tosh? Plus its a lot less money....which could be put towards improving the next vacation or something else to enjoy.

Or get an even smaller Tosh and save even more money. Or an HP, or a Sony, or a Dell even.

Is the dedicated video memory really going to affect outlook and surfing the net all that much? :shrug:

I just ask, cause everytime people talk about video memory and precessors speeds and stuff like that, I have yet to be able to really notice the diff when just using MSN, explorer, outlook, etc.

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 04:01 PM

The reason my current Toshiba is a lemon to say the least, is runs on a Pantium4, which runs hot and damages all the hardware inside it. They have fixed that mistake in the newer models. Other than that, I haven't had an issue with it.

I'm not rushing into it. I was expecting this back in March, and its been dragged on since then. I've been looking at a few other computers but narrowed it down to these 2.

The MacBook isn't a whole lot of money compared to what I would pay for another Toshiba. The screen size is smaller but other than that, they are on par for what I'm looking for. I might have to fork out $100 to get the mac, but I'm getting something new ...

And this would be in addition to a PC I would already have at home.

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 04:03 PM

How many people when useing their laptops actually use them on their lap, where the air vent gets blocked?????

If I had to guess....I say thats 70% of the reason so many laptops fail!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Mike

08-07-2007, 04:07 PM

I thought she wanted the bigger screen and that was one of the major reasons for considering the Tosh? Plus its a lot less money....which could be put towards improving the next vacation or something else to enjoy.

Or get an even smaller Tosh and save even more money. Or an HP, or a Sony, or a Dell even.

Is the dedicated video memory really going to affect outlook and surfing the net all that much? :shrug:

I just ask, cause everytime people talk about video memory and precessors speeds and stuff like that, I have yet to be able to really notice the diff when just using MSN, explorer, outlook, etc.

The Toshiba is $50 cheaper. Not exactly a huge difference.

One thing everyone needs to remember here... this is a replacement. She's not buying anything. She can only choose something that FutureShop offers and she has about a $1500 credit to play with. If she spends less than $1500, she loses the difference... she needs to spend as close to that $1500 as possible to make this worthwhile.

The Toshiba is $1599 and the MacBook is $1649. This is the perfect opportunity to get a Mac because, as I said earlier, she has a great windows-based notebook to use as a main computer.

I currently have 2 Gateway notebooks, both about a year old. One was sent as a replacement for my computer that was out for repairs... but I got that one back. So I now have 2. So what's going to happen, she's going to get one of my Gateways and use her credit to get a Mac that we BOTH want. This way we'll have 2 Gateway notebooks and a MacBook. We simply don't need a 3rd PC. That's why we're looking for some feedback about the MacBook...

Does that make things a little clearer?

ND4SPD

08-07-2007, 04:18 PM

get a macinTosh
i knew you'd come around Eric!. :biggrin: lol!

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 04:29 PM

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Matt, you're hillarious.

But I think I've made up my mind. I'm gonna go for the mac. Its somethng new and different, and just by testing it in the store i though 'wow how cool was that!" and I was only playing with the photo feature. It's just so simple, yet surprisingly different and refreshing. Yes, I will have to say goodbye to my 17" screen, but you guys yourself said, I can always buy an external screen if I really want it. And then, I can pick whatever size I want for a fraction of the price (as long as its not apple brand).

And the price, well $1500+ is gonna go toward that. Meaning I'm left with maybe $200 extra to add to my account. With an extended warranty, even if its $500 at the very end, that's just another 3 months of payments. I've already been paying 2 years for a computer that keeps breaking down. In the end, it's not a big difference.

rastaman

08-07-2007, 04:31 PM

The Toshiba is $50 cheaper. Not exactly a huge difference.

One thing everyone needs to remember here... this is a replacement. She's not buying anything. She can only choose something that FutureShop offers and she has about a $1500 credit to play with. If she spends less than $1500, she loses the difference... she needs to spend as close to that $1500 as possible to make this worthwhile.

The Toshiba is $1599 and the MacBook is $1649. This is the perfect opportunity to get a Mac because, as I said earlier, she has a great windows-based notebook to use as a main computer.

I currently have 2 Gateway notebooks, both about a year old. One was sent as a replacement for my computer that was out for repairs... but I got that one back. So I now have 2. So what's going to happen, she's going to get one of my Gateways and use her credit to get a Mac that we BOTH want. This way we'll have 2 Gateway notebooks and a MacBook. We simply don't need a 3rd PC. That's why we're looking for some feedback about the MacBook...

Does that make things a little clearer?

Now you are throwing in many other justifcations for getting a Mac, aside from the machine itself. Basically, its seems like you still have PCs as your primary computers, and since you are getting a freebie here, why not try out a Mac. In this situation, maybe it does make sense to get a Mac. However, it also seems a lot like that Simpsons episode where Homer buys Marge a bowling ball (with Homer engraved on it) for Marge's birthday, lol...

ND4SPD

08-07-2007, 04:44 PM

Actually, since they have both always used PC's... like myself, I think its a very good idea to keep a PC as the primary computer until totally comfortable with OSX's way of things...
Like anything, theres a learning (or un-learning ;) ) curve... I remember a few times where I got frustrated, and said "blah... i'll just do this on the PC, because I already know how, and can do it real fast" But, after a while, things like that don't happen as much, and then not at all.

Its just getting fimilar, tis all :)

But IMO, its a really great thing to have both systems... I like my mac, and I like my pc.. I would never give either of them up, they both have their purposes, and its great to be able to use any program that comes my way on at least ONE of them. I don't think I will ever limit myself to just using one or the other. :)

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 04:44 PM

Now you are throwing in many other justifcations for getting a Mac, aside from the machine itself. Basically, its seems like you still have PCs as your primary computers, and since you are getting a freebie here, why not try out a Mac. In this situation, maybe it does make sense to get a Mac. However, it also seems a lot like that Simpsons episode where Homer buys Marge a bowling ball (with Homer engraved on it) for Marge's birthday, lol...

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

CougarBum

08-07-2007, 04:49 PM

Actually I approached him with the idea, and he kept saying "this is your decision". But seeing the situation, I think it's the best thing. :shrug:

All I asked for was opinions on which one you would pick if given the choice. And somehow this became a heated discussion, attacking people's opinions. This is now what I wanted to see happen.

I've made up my mind. I'm gonna get the mac. Unless you owned one, how can you put it down?

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 04:53 PM

MUSKOKN

08-07-2007, 04:59 PM

Well speaking for myself, I've been debating on the points. I haven't really seen any real personal attacks either. Just differing opinions...All of which have been valid I think. With the exception of one joke that should only be taken as such. It was funny!!!

You did ask for people's thoughts....You don't have to agree with them...Like I said before....Everyone is giving their opinion....you make up your own mind and get what you want. Its your money and your computer, and once you get what you want. Be happy with it....Its your's and not the place of anyone to say otherwise....Their opinions don't matter after that. So don't worry about it.

I haven't put the machine itself down, but having frequent access to one and having frequently used it already, if I don't like, doesn't that entitle me to a valid opinion? ;)

Mike

08-07-2007, 05:00 PM

Even so...It was funny as heck. When the arguments (which are all valid btw) for the mac kept changing, it was just such a fitting joke.

Especially when Mike has been sporting homer for his avatar for so long, and still has a Simpsons realted avatar.

I guess it would've been funny had I purchased a MacBook for her because I wanted it. But that's not the case. She's the one that decided to check out a Mac and I supported it. How is that like what happened in that episode of The Simpsons? :shrug:

Regardless, that's WAY off topic, so let's just leave it be...