My Dyno results! 285 whp/241 Torque

[Badazzcougar]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111/cougarsarenice/Dyno.jpg


This is with a stock internaled 2.5L,Vortec supercharger,and simple bolt ons. My tuner said with a bigger MAF sensor I would have been over 300whp easily.

[Frosty]

It's true, I SEEN IT!

Good numbers indeed.

[Nafunu32]

whats that = in whp?

[J-Man]

That is whp. Well hub hp because of the dyno they use.

[jaged]

it was fast but it was dwarfed by the other cars in the shop

[contrapaul]

on stock internals! So can a turbo hold up the same rough numbers on stock? and ATX?

[Monkeygrits]

jesus...nice dude

[aircougar1]

Awesome numbers Dave!

I can't wait to get mine running! I'm starting off with a 3L, so we'll see what happens...

[Blackcoog]

What amount of boost are you running? Do you have an intercooler? BOV?

[Badazzcougar]

What amount of boost are you running? Do you have an intercooler? BOV?
If you look at the dyno sheet,I believe the Map sensor read 13.4psi,no intercooler,just water/meth injection, and yes I have a diverter valve;)

[pgtatx]

on stock internals! So can a turbo hold up the same rough numbers on stock? and ATX?

Power output on tthe Dyno VS. Power Output on the road, puts very different stresses on the vehicle.

No shifting involved at WOT, no variations on throttle, no environmental effects, no sustained high RPM runs...

I've seen plenty of cars push crazy power on the dyno, then hit the track or street, and a few hundred miles later... BOOM... whether it was driver error, the tune not holding up under all conditions, something failing, etc... (this goes for the entire powertrain... any part may go. The trans isn't stressed much at all on a dyno)

Those are some nice numbers... do you still have your secondaries in there? Get rid of them if you do...

280+ whp sounds nice, and with the linear power the SC makes, it looks very manageable. Congrats on that...

[contrapaul]

so what about 240-50 whp without damage?

[jaged]

it was great to watch dewayne tune the car. he was just doing a test run to see where it was at and the car made over 200 hp at 4k rpms. then he says we should hit 270, and it goes to 285. he was very impressed with the platform. Then after its all said and done we ask badazz if he got the svt cams in, he laughs and says no :eek:

[Blackcoog]

I'd expect similar results for the kit I'm working on. Are you running 24lb injectors that come with the vortech kit?

[StealthyWeasel]

nearly 14psi seems deadly even with h2o/meth. I mean, I bet your plan is 3L once you blow it up, but approaching a second atmosphere makes me nervous. AWESOME numbers, and I hope it holds.

[jaged]

19 lb svt injectors

[Badazzcougar]

nearly 14psi seems deadly even with h2o/meth. I mean, I bet your plan is 3L once you blow it up, but approaching a second atmosphere makes me nervous. AWESOME numbers, and I hope it holds.Its been boosted like this for 4 years,30k since install and wasn't tuned. I think its safe to say it will last awhile,besides its not pushing 14psi right out of the box. It hits that boost when I'm at redline, daily driving this thing I rarly see 11 to 12psi and thats on a cold day:thumbsup:

[Badazzcougar]

I'd expect similar results for the kit I'm working on. Are you running 24lb injectors that come with the vortech kit?Just like Jason said, I just installed the 19lb svt injectors the night before. I was running with the 17lb injectors since the kit was installed.

[StealthyWeasel]

great to hear. to be honest, i've been following your car very carefully since the inception. I remember you saying to me that you don't push it too hard as a DD, im just a bit worried but you are just as careful as I would be. Again, awesome numbers. I'd go that route if I could do it again.

Just wondering, is the 3L in the equation?

[BigBalledOX]

it was great to watch dewayne tune the car. he was just doing a test run to see where it was at and the car made over 200 hp at 4k rpms. then he says we should hit 270, and it goes to 285. he was very impressed with the platform. Then after its all said and done we ask badazz if he got the svt cams in, he laughs and says no :eek:

Also keep in mind that, as we discussed, DeWayne tunes the cars on the conservative side, which is a good thing. I'm completely sure we could have seen 300 FWHP if David had REALLY wanted it (DeWayne even said so), but DeWayne compromised a little bit of horsepower for a little more "margin of error" in the tune.

As for everyone else telling David "Do this, do that, king in the castle, king in the castle", I ask of you: Why? He's already pushing the envelope of what the car can handle in terms of power. I don't know that much more would be such a good idea.

[jaged]

Just wondering, is the 3L in the equation?


yeah, its in my car right now :rofl:

[StealthyWeasel]

def. bbox, he is pushing the limits of power. I have alot of respect for his setup.

[contrapaul]

so- a stock duratec can hold that much? Like I said before, how is 240-250 whp for reliability?

[BigBalledOX]

so- a stock duratec can hold that much? Like I said before, how is 240-250 whp for reliability?

Stock 3L's have pushed 400 FWHP and been dead-reliable . . . and the first CDW-27 car to hit that magical 400 FWHP mark was a 2.5L SVT engine if I remember right . . .

How is 240-250 FWHP for reliability? Thats such an open-ended question . . . I mean, if David takes a hard right-hand turn and spins a rod bearing, does that mean his 285 FWHP engine is "unreliable"? If you're asking if it can be done as a daily driver, the answer is a resounding yes . . . with the right build and the right tune, it could definitely be done.

By the way, I got to drive it. :wiggle:

[Badazzcougar]

yeah, its in my car right now :rofl:
It was in the equation for a brief while,but I had this feeling Jason would be needing it in the near future so I traded it to Crispy:biggrin: But like Ryan said anything can happen, and of course if I totally abuse it I'm sure it will break,but that is any car boosted or not.

[MagicHallucinations]

Great numbers! That's a fun daily driver eh:biggrin:

[Echoman]

Well done Badazz...well done indeeeeed! Did you get your shiz fixed from the night before?

[Clutch]

nice numbers

[Badazzcougar]

Well done Badazz...well done indeeeeed! Did you get your shiz fixed from the night before?

Yeah, we just took the manifold to Logan's the next day and fixed the pipe. There was more running around involved though that I don't ever care to do again...I'll have to tell you the story some other time:disgust:

[contrapaul]

so how much did those numbers run you?

[J-Man]

so how much did those numbers run you?

If you're asking how much he has spent to get to this level it is not polite and I bet his naswer will be, "too much." It's like when you are at a career thing-a-ma-bob and you never ask what their salary is.

[contrapaul]

my bad- I didn't know if he got a deal on the vortech or something. He's running stock internals, so I figured it wouldn't be that much. Forget the question Badazz, no more finance questions from me.

[BigBalledOX]

If you're asking how much he has spent to get to this level it is not polite and I bet his naswer will be, "too much." It's like when you are at a career thing-a-ma-bob and you never ask what their salary is.

Honestly dude, I don't think David would care too much . . . here's a compromise, I won't give prices, but I will list all his mods to the car . . .

Vortech supercharger
MSDS headers
Trubendz dual exhaust
Torsen LSD
Spec Stage 3+ clutch
Boost Juice methanol injection
SVT UIM/LIM

and I believe thats about it.

In terms of "bang for your buck", I'd say David has the best return on his dollar on NECO.

[StealthyWeasel]

he's got a BAT Y/cat right?

[BigBalledOX]

Crap, I knew I was forgetting something . . . I'm not one hundred percent on the y-pipe, but I think you're right.

[contrapaul]

thanks bbox, that's what I needed. I'm pretty sure I can hit what I want cheaply now. With a custom turbo, is there any MAJOR advantage in having SVT UIM/LIM? Also, can I custom cut and weld stock headers or are MSDS shorties necessary? I would do the same location as instigator, but without 3L, or as big a turbo. I'll probably start a thread with my plans

[BigBalledOX]

Well . . . I mean, more airflow is always better (SVT Upper, you very likely have the lower, check your build date) . . . its my understanding that N/A headers are incompatible with with a turbo kit, so you'd have to make your own manifolds . . . if you need flanges, I can direct you to a company, I got the flanges for my longtube headers through them.

[warmonger]

Well . . . I mean, more airflow is always better (SVT Upper, you very likely have the lower, check your build date) . . . its my understanding that N/A headers are incompatible with with a turbo kit, so you'd have to make your own manifolds . . . if you need flanges, I can direct you to a company, I got the flanges for my longtube headers through them.

MSDS used to make a Vortec spec header. Most people didn't care enough to buy them but they were available.

[Badazzcougar]

Well . . . I mean, more airflow is always better (SVT Upper, you very likely have the lower, check your build date) . . . its my understanding that N/A headers are incompatible with with a turbo kit, so you'd have to make your own manifolds . . . if you need flanges, I can direct you to a company, I got the flanges for my longtube headers through them.
I agree if your going to the length of building your own turbo setup,you might as well pick up some svt goodness,I didn't have the svt lower so the night before we put one in and a set of 19lb injectors. I am sure these definatly helped with my numbers. You will probably have to run bigger injectors though,unless you run an FMU or similar fuel regulator.

[Badazzcougar]

Ryan you'll have to let me know when your beast is ready for Logans, I think I want to go back and get a tune for 100octane fuel:biggrin:

[Skywalker]

Nice Job Dave!! I'm gonna hold ya too that ride you offered

[Logan Motorsports]

That cougar ran damn good....people seem to like it!

[Badazzcougar]

Thanks for all your help Dewayne:thumbsup:

[aircougar1]

MSDS used to make a Vortec spec header. Most people didn't care enough to buy them but they were available.

They are still available... I got a set 3-4 months ago...:)

[streetracer8605]

so did you ever get around to using the lsd i sold you?

[Badazzcougar]

so did you ever get around to using the lsd i sold you? It's installed homie:thumbsup:

[wadespencer99]

They are still available... I got a set 3-4 months ago...:)

I have a set as well.

[streetracer8605]

It's installed homie:thumbsup:

good deal dude. glad to see it went to good use. nice numbers btw :thumbsup:

[Skywalker]

Took a ride in this before I left for the border mission, The thing is a straight up monster. made it well worth the crappy ride I had to take to get there.

[Bergie_dark by design]

haha, dammit, i want a ride... lol

[Badazzcougar]

haha, dammit, i want a ride... lol

You should come to my drag meet! You're welcome to take a ride down the strip :cool: I posted it in the Wisconsin forums.