View Full Version : Super Charger Update
Oierin
01-24-2007, 11:54 PM
Well Ive been driving the super charger for about a week now and OH GOD ... the boost and the quickness is BADASS ... The only problem Ive had is that the car is misfiring and so Ive put in BOSCH Platluim 4 Plugs ... Im going to run the scanner tomarrow see if I cant reset the brains and see if that fixes the problem ... I want to know how to defeat the governor cause its pretty lame to have that cap on my speed limit ... Any Suggestions ... The car still isnt done by any means Im putting it into audio shop to get all that mess installed ...
J-Man
01-24-2007, 11:55 PM
Get rid of the Bosh plat +4's, they are absolute ****.
StealthyWeasel
01-25-2007, 12:04 AM
Its too soon to beat on your car man, no speed limiters yet.
mond12345
01-25-2007, 12:05 AM
Get rid of the Bosh plat +4's, they are absolute ****.
That is a true and false statement. For our ignition systems yes they have been proved to suck but with other ignitions/cars they work nice.
You should stick with Motor-craft or Autolite for our cars.
GrandMasterKhan
01-25-2007, 12:19 AM
have you done any tuning?
Oierin
01-25-2007, 12:27 AM
No I havent done any real tuning yet ... So the bosch are crap then ... Thats what the computer at napa had suggested from the factory ... Wierd ... So is there a way to kill the governor ... I want to get past the 130 mark
LostRacer
01-25-2007, 12:28 AM
only a chip.
Oierin
01-25-2007, 12:41 AM
Where do I get this "chip at" and will it help with anything else on the car ... So pretty much theres really nothing I can do else to get more HP out of my 2.5 ?
Bigoudi
01-25-2007, 12:43 AM
What options did the car have originally? I would get that thing tuned before trying to romp on it any further...
Greg
Oierin
01-25-2007, 12:48 AM
What you mean options ... Its been tuned for the super charger but beyond that nothing else ...
nadthomas
01-25-2007, 01:00 AM
If you really want to make sure your car is right, do some research, understand what you are doing with your car, and stop trying to throw money at it.
Unknown2k
01-25-2007, 01:50 AM
ya get it tuned better, you could blow the moter.you might have a bad tune. if you HAVE to drive it try and stay out of the boost till you get it tuned. and for options i think greg is asking wat else do you have done. Is is a stock motor or does it have other stuff on it.
J-Man
01-25-2007, 01:53 AM
He said that he had it tuned for the charger. . .
nadthomas
01-25-2007, 08:50 AM
Did Mr. Knight actually tune it, or did he just stick an extra injector in the intake path to provide the extra fuel and call it good. I know in the past that adding an additional injector his been his solution for getting additional fuel into the engine. Also, if it is "tuned for the s/c" what did Mr. Knight use. He would have either needed to use an Xcal, or a chip. Found out what he used and found a local dyno that can test and tune it, or contact Warmonger.
Oierin
01-25-2007, 12:12 PM
Yeah he did DYNO testing and all that while the car was in the shop with him ... As to the injectors Im not sure about that and yes I did do more upgrades SVT UIM LIM MSDS Headers 3 Inch Custom Exhust Im taking it into get scaned today ....
pgtatx
01-25-2007, 12:46 PM
Go pull your plugs and describe what they look like...
You could be misfiring for several reasons... Simple problems would be the need for new plugs and/or wires. IF that's not it could be a coil related problem.
More than likely, I think it's a fuel related issue... Go get some proper plugs, and narrow the gap on them. See if the misifiring is relate to spark blow-out... Also, if you narrow the gap a little, and you are running excessively rich, it may help.
I recommend you get a wideband 02 on there and see what types of AFR's you're running...
What injectors are you running in there? Any upgrades to the fuel pump, FPR, etc?
misfiring is not a good thing.... so don't push the car...
wanderingmind
01-25-2007, 05:44 PM
misfiring is not a good thing.... so don't push the car...
X2!!!
cpapashley
01-25-2007, 07:17 PM
Go pull your plugs and describe what they look like...
You could be misfiring for several reasons... Simple problems would be the need for new plugs and/or wires. IF that's not it could be a coil related problem.
More than likely, I think it's a fuel related issue... Go get some proper plugs, and narrow the gap on them. See if the misifiring is relate to spark blow-out... Also, if you narrow the gap a little, and you are running excessively rich, it may help.
I recommend you get a wideband 02 on there and see what types of AFR's you're running...
What injectors are you running in there? Any upgrades to the fuel pump, FPR, etc?
misfiring is not a good thing.... so don't push the car...
their wise words indeed, but I would add a x2 to getting something like a wideband o2 sensor, will let you know whats happening. You have made some considerable changes to the way this engine works, you need to understand what is going on.
Take the advise and spend some time researching, ask some questions across on the tuning thread once you know something, warmonger is experienced and knows his stuff.
Oierin
01-25-2007, 08:36 PM
What type of preformance spark plug wires should I look into getting and x2 02 sensors what brand ... Also who should I go to get a new fuel pump fuel rail and fuel regulator ... Ive got the 19# injector that came with the SVT lower intake manifold i bought ... Ive got the basic idea about my cars engine and its working but Im still working and learning about the modified and tunning of it all
Topik
01-25-2007, 08:55 PM
Go with NGK's. Will save you alot of hassle.
Oierin
01-25-2007, 08:58 PM
And that is what .... ?
Slobalt
01-25-2007, 09:13 PM
Plugs lol.
Oierin
01-25-2007, 09:16 PM
Ive already got plugs ...
Im looking for who to go with in plug wires
Fuel pump
fuel rail
adjustable fuel regulator
nadthomas
01-25-2007, 10:55 PM
Ive already got plugs ...
Im looking for who to go with in plug wires
Fuel pump
fuel rail
adjustable fuel regulator
The Bosch +4 are no good for the cougar, get the nkg or autolite double plat. You do not need "performance" wires. The stock motorcraft wires are good wires, but if yours are old they should be replaced. You also do not need to upgrade the rest of your fuel system if you are running 19lbs injectors. I think 19lbs should be good for what you are running, but you may need even larger injectors, but I let some one else comment on that.
Bigoudi
01-25-2007, 10:56 PM
Stock replacement plug wires are fine, if yours are trashed.
What year is your car? If it is a returnless system you can pick up a SVT Focus fuel pump.
Fuel rail? Your stocker is fine.
:rolleyes:
Seriously, park the car on a dyno and tune it. Get the XCal or at least a custom SCT chip burned.
Greg
Oierin
01-26-2007, 01:43 AM
My car is a 99 ... I was looking into MSD plug wires and I really didnt find anything for a new fuel pump or regulator
Blackcoog
02-15-2007, 09:21 AM
I'm curious how things are going with this kit. Since it will be similar to the one I'm building and is still the only kit that will work with an ATX. Why was the car still misfiring after the dyno tune? I would think all the bugs would have been worked out before you took the car back from him.
Chris
P.S. Moved to correct section...
Use NGK TR6s for F/I Duratecs. They stand up fairly well to our dual-fire DIS, and have the correct temp. range for F/I. I use them with the turbo 3L with nary a problem.
Stock (OEM) wires, BTW. Only better ones are Magnacores.
The fuel pump, if you're return style, should be a Walbro 255l/hr high-pressure pump, but it takes some fabbing to fit in the sender unit. Returnless cars need the Focus SVT pump, which has proven it can handle F/I cars with big injectors.
Dyno tune only with an SCT authorized dealer using the add-on chip or an XCalibrator- Mail order tunes will have you chasing your a$$ for months. I've done it.
Badazzcougar
02-15-2007, 10:29 PM
I agree with Dan 100%, I am currently running the NGKTR6 plugs,they have been the best for my setup,I have the ford racing wires,I haven't had any problems with them yet,but I know alot of people who have. I am running the 17lb injectors still with a FMU and auxillary inline fuel pump and my motor runs perfect. If your running 19lb injectors was your car tuned for the bigger injectors? Do you have alot of thick black carbon coming out of your exhaust? You might be running really rich.
cpapashley
02-16-2007, 05:58 AM
I agree with Dan 100%, I am currently running the NGKTR6 plugs,they have been the best for my setup,I have the ford racing wires,I haven't had any problems with them yet,but I know alot of people who have. I am running the 17lb injectors still with a FMU and auxillary inline fuel pump and my motor runs perfect. If your running 19lb injectors was your car tuned for the bigger injectors? Do you have alot of thick black carbon coming out of your exhaust? You might be running really rich.
If you are running 17lb injectors with your supercharger that tends to mean that I can really cross them off my list of possible upgrades for a NA 2.5l duratec. What duration are you on to keep up with the demands of supercharging?
Badazzcougar
02-19-2007, 10:08 PM
The FMU increases fuel pressure upon boost,so I don't have to run large injectors.
rb26deet32
03-09-2007, 08:54 PM
I didn't read past the post where you said "No, its not tuned yet". But for the love of god. If you want your car to last at all get it tuned before you do anything else. Don't take it to the audio shop or try to have the gov removed. You shouldn't be doing driving like that anyway until its perfectly tuned.