Next time your next to Prelude SH...

[mprtklr]

...Think about this artice. We had just come out of seeing "driven" and you can imagine the mood i was in. It was about 12:30am and the road was empty. I noticed some blue lights behind me, as i was turning out of the parking lot, a Prelude SH was behind me, he flashed his high beams, so i slowed down, he caught up, i slammed it into 3rd, barely missed the rev limiter, and we were off, weavin in and out of traffic, onto shoulders, around even in the turnout lane a couple of times, i knew he had at least an exhaust and intake, i could hear it, i could hear him winding out those gears and everything. We went for about 4 miles on this 3 lane road. He took me right about when we started, he had about a car length, the vtec gave him a lead. But after a little while, i kept gaining on him and by the time the next light came around i had about 4 car lengths on him!! I was trippin that i just smoked a Prelude SH!! My car was a happy as i was, the rest of the way home, my car was like a fukkin rocket!!!

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

Let me the first to call BS. I believe the Prelude owner stop racing. From your page all I can see that you have for performance is I/E. And you smoked him by 4 cars? Very doubtful if he was still racing. IMHO

Plus how stupid is it to be racing in traffic? I dont know about the rest of you here but I personally think you are an idiot for doing that in traffic.IMHO

Larry

[JScullin]

And how as soon as the race started the road went from empty to "weavin in and out of traffic".

[mprtklr]

ok, well you need not believe me, thats not the issue, im not asking you to believe me, it was a story, call it BS, call it whatever you like, i'm not concerneed with you believing me, and trust me he was not stopping racing me. And secondly, comming out of the parking lot it was empty, but eventually your gonna catch up with traffic right? geez. think about it. And go ahead and call me an idiot, don't care about that either. Drive your care to Southern Cali and tell me when your here and we'll see if im full of it. Talking is easy, put your money were your mouth is....

Oh and by the way you obviously didnt read very far into my page, i have alot more than just intake and exhaust.

[BigCountry]

I don't doubt you beating a Prelude SH at all. All I have is a IE, and the ShoShop cat and Y-pipe, and I have beaten a new model Prelude, not SH but SH doesnt add power. I didn't beat him very badly, but you should beat him fairly handily.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

Engine Modifications
KKM Tru-Rev Free-Flow Intake System = 3-5 hp max

Dynomax Magna Flow Free-Flow Cat Back Exhaust = 5-7 hp max

Painted "DURATEC" engine cover Ford Red and lettering Dark Tourmaline Green = no power

Painted Spark Plug Retaining Clips Ford Red = no power

75MM Pro-Flow Mass Air Flow = better flow and maybe free up 1 hp

Magencor 8.5mm Race Spark Plug Wire Set = self explanatory

Bosch +4 Spark Plugs = self explanatory

MSD DIS4 Ignition system = 5-8 hp max

Superchip = raised rev limit and speed limiter is all

What mods am I missing? I dont think I am missing any PERFORMANCE mods. Oh dont forget the lowering springs.

Personally I wouldnt waste my time racing you. That would be a waste of my gas. But now if you were paying for the gas I would hurt your feelings. I am not doubting that your car is faster then stock but give me a break. You have 170 hp stock and a prelude has 197 stock. The torque on the prelude is less but that wouldnt be as much of a problem since you were already rolling. Also you said that you beat the prelude on topend? I have riden in both cars and will tell you that the stock prelude was faster on the topend then a cougar with exhaust. They were both MTX. Like I said I am not doubting that your car is faster but take it too a track and see just how fast it really is. Once you do that then post your times for everyone to see then I will believe that you beat one. I have seen many stock preludes run low low 15s. With I/E I have seen them in the 14s. When you have a leg to stand on let me know.

BTW your car does look nice.

Larry

[mprtklr]

you need to read one entry up, he beat a cougar, theres my proof, thank you for the compliment, but don't tell me it would be a waste until you do it, i didnt say i would beat YOUR car, but you seem to think you can beat my car, and well if you think you can, try it. I said i beat THAT prelude. I believe that was uncalled for!!

And the SH only add's a power distributing differential

OH and by the way, the intake adds roughly 5-8hp, the exhaust add 5-8, the MAF dumps 13 more CFM of air, using bernoulli's theory that adds 8 hp, ignition system, adds maybe 5 lets add it up, 170+5+5+8+5 that is 193hp (being conservative of course, so your going to tell me that i didnt beat a car with 2 more hp, more weight and a hell of a lot less torque, and i said we took off as well as top end, so both highs and lows were raced.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

Until you run mid low 14s dont call me. I will be 13s soon. All this on street tires. Talking is easy, put your money were your mouth is.... ? Look who us talking now. If I challenged someone to a race I would at least make sure that they are close to where I live. I dont challenge people all the way across the US. Plus with the added weight of stereo equipment you can just take away the power you gained from the intake. A filter on a stick intake is a waste of money. You are better off with a K&N drop in filter. At least that way you suck in outside air instead of hot air from under your hood. I run better times with my stock air box then with my filter on a stick intake. So right there I say you dont gain any performance. Just makes the car louder. Also when you want to start talking real mods to an engine then lets talk. I dont consider paint a mod, I dont even consider a filter on a stick a mod. Engine mods are cams, internals, UDPs, intake manifolds, headers, turbo, superchargers, throttle bodies, etc.. Do you see where I am going with this?

Larry

[AsNDrAgOnZ]

okay..I had I/E and lowering springs and I beat a prelude, sh or not doesn't matter cuz there are no performance extras only handling charecterists..and Uridian can be my witness if you need, but i DID beat it and I was VERY happy, however 4 car lengths is doubtful, unless of course that traffic got in his way, I congradulate you if it IS tru, cuz I know the feeling..and it IS possible..

[Merc123]

Not mods? WTF is a mod then? I thought it was short for MODification. Let me see, last time I looked anything that didn't come on the car is a MODIFICATION. So even my painted bolts are MODS no matter what they are. Changing the oil is MOD because it's not the original factory oil that was originally put in the car!

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

We are talking about MODS that make the car faster.

Larry

[mprtklr]

i wasnt offering to race you, you said you dont believe me, what i said, was if you doubt it, try it. And as far as the "HOT" air from the hood, the fender draw tube exits right in front of the filter element, and actual testing was done, as cruising goes, there is no difference in blocking the air, the air is not risen in temperature at all, unless your idling.

any MODIFICATION is a MOD, at least i listed all mod's cosmetic and performance. you know all i did was bring up and tell a story , what do i havee to gain from lying to you? you really think im gonna wake up and feel better because i lied? come on, I HAVE NO REASON TO LIE.

[BigCountry]

Prelude's are not that fast, definitely over-rated. They are heavy, and also hard to drive correctly. They have low torque and are hard launch. I know from experience, I have driven a few.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

I am just implying that with the mods you have listed that an equal prelude will not lose to you. That is all I am saying. If you win so be it. I lose nothing either way. All I know is that I wont be loseing to any new cougars anytime soon.

Why dont I list my mods? HMMM. Someone on here could see my mods and think to themselves I want those. If they saw me around town they could follow me home or to the mall. You get the point. Dont say an alarm will stop them either. I have had vehicles with alarms broken into and so have my friends. Even when I say what mods I do have I NEVER tell anyone all of them. My own wife doesnt know them all. Neither do my other crew members. I always tell people my car is slow. That way it wont be a target for people. If I race someone I will never pull more then 2 cars on them. I would never want someone to get suspicous and want to damage my car to find out what is done. Now if you saw my car on the street you would say look at that ugly POS. I like it that way. I am gonna post a link to a pic of my car. You be the judge of whether or not you would race it.

TeamXtreme92GSR (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1422779&a=10649701&p=39915252&Sequence=0)

Larry

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

Not that fast? My friend had a 94 Prelude VTEC and ran a 9.4 1/8th with only an AEM. I dont know about you but that is fast.

Larry

[Fett]

Why is it that as soon as someone says they raced and beat a car, someone has to jump up and tell them they are a liar?

Were you there? Are you a witness? No, and neither was I. So we have to take people on their word.

But it always has to turn into a dick measuring contest.

I will race anyone, and I will do it in my Mitsu Mirage, with no mods what so ever. Want to know why? Because A CAR IS NOT THE MEASURE OF A MAN!!! It's a fukking car, get over it.


Sorry, I am just trying to let out a little steam. i/expressions/smile.gif

[Fett]

hehe, sorry again. I am feeling a tad frisky tonight.

[JScullin]

Besides, Fett's just mad cause I got 3 inches over his. i/expressions/smile.gif

[FuzzyRag]

No insult to the cougar guys...but I'm gonna agree w/ slowGSR. Yeah, the guy might've messed up, but still, he shouldn't have lost by that much. I've driven a modded cougar and a stock prelude, and I'd say the 'lude would win by at least a carlength or two fairly easily...this is the MTX versions of both I'm talking about, if it was a auto 'lude, I don't doubt the story at all!

[Fett]

It's only two and a half inches, don't lie.

[BigCountry]

hey TeamKnowItAll,
I believe that we are talking about new model preludes here. You are talking about a 94, which is a totally different ball game. And how many people actually know what kind of 1/8 times they run to compare that against. Use 0-60 or preferably 1/4.

[Andy]

I can definitly believe it. I raced a Prelude with my ATX and had him off the line. When his Vtec kicked in he dudtsed me but still. Team whatever, stop being a <edited>. We are SUPPOSED to believe in each other. Is he said he beat the Prelude...than CONGRATS!

Andy

[99REDSE]

92GSR --- u ask people to be nice etc.. then you continue to say "i wont waste my time and gas racing u" etc.... whats up wit that??? geeeezzzzz...... with my older mods i lost to a regular 5 - speed lude by 1/2 car lenght at 90, so a SH isnt impossible to beat, 4 car lenghts seems kinda big, maybe he was looking out the right side mirror, "objects are closer than they look".... SHs are heavier and a bit slower in straight line than the regular ones, i beat a auto-stick SH by over a car lenght this past week... so who knows...

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

What I meant by the statement of I wouldnt waste my gas is. I know he wouldnt be a challenge for me in the 1/4 plus he obvisiously has no regard for people by weaving in and out of traffic. That to me is a sign of immaturity. I wouldnt watse my gas or time on someone who is so childish acting.

BigCountry I would use a 1/4 mile time if we had one in our area. All we haveis 1/8th mile track so I use what I have. If you have gone to a track then you would kow that most 1/4 tracks list the 1/8th mile on the timeslips.

Maybe the guy in the prelude wasnt into RACING in traffic like yourself. I dont know and yes I wasnt there. I have to take your word. I can still dispute it though. I know if I was RACING someone and traffic appeared I would let off and slow down as well.

Also I have called everyone by their screen name, I would appreciate if you would do the same. Or call me 92GSR as 99redse has.

Larry

[FuzzyRag]

oops...my apologies. I called you slowGSR. I'll get it right in the future i/expressions/smile.gif

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

LOL. That is what it says in my sig. HEHE. Fuzzy the list of mods I gave you have changed a little since then. Once I get my new clutch and my new mod with a little tuning I should hit a 13. This is all motor. No NOS or FI.

Larry

[FuzzyRag]

whoa...thats daddy mack. Slow compared to what? A fuelie dragster? i/expressions/laugh.gif just ragging on ya main.

[PuckPuck]

<this one is prolly gonna come off harse - but heck this is road tales right?>

TeamXtreme92GSR

For someone who has soooo much speed under the hood you seem to be very vague on what you did. Now honestly tell me who is going to steal your UDP? or your cams? You said yourself that REAL mods are internals and that's what you have but don't want to annouce it cause you don't want it stolen.... honestly do you think someone is going to open your engine up in the mall parking lot? or at 3am in the morning? Honestly at first i did have respect for you but now i'm losing it... you remind me of the guy driving the civic with the huge turbo, yet i can beat him while eating taco bell and driving my MTX and he will never pop the hood to show me his awesome turbo.... if you wanna come on here and brag, then at least back up your ****... otherwise take your stink and but another board... since you came on here, every topic you are really interested in has turned into a flame war... yes this is road tales and flame wars are common, but you just throw out numbers (which to me mean crap - racing is driver) and say that it's impossible, yet you can take on the world - but you don't say what you have...

get my drift yet?

[Draxas]

all i gotta say is that my filter on a stick gave me more power, and i have the dyno and timeslips to prove it.... just my 0.02 cents........


Nikolas

[Blackcoog]

Yeah show us some pics of all of these "engine mods" you have and some time slips so people will know that you aren't just talking ****. Ok and on the "engine mod" subject people would do engine mods for our car if they were properly tested and well known but the car is too new or just not well known in the aftermarket to have available cams, pistons, and better manifolds. All we have to pic from is SVT stuff which still isn't that great and the cost to install the damn cams on a DOCH is freaking expensive.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

Puck I dont think anyone would steal the cams in a mall parking lot. They would take the whole car and get what they want or need and then trash the rest of the car. It happened to a friend of mine with his civic. They stole it from his driveway. Alarm was on. They found it 3 days later in the Mobile bay 2 hours from where we live. It had been striped of everything. That is why I dont put out a list of my mods.

Blackcoog I have only ran it in this configuration once at the track. I overheated my clutch. I ran a 9.9@79 mph in the 1/8. that was spinning all the way down the track. As soon as I fix my clutch, broken motor mount and get some better tires I am gonna run. Till then I will only race from a roll on the freeway. I may not be able to get it all fixed before I ship it. If not it will be faster when I return from overseas next year. I am gonna be doing some kind of frankenstein with my engine. As soon as I do have some times I will post for you.

Larry

[jjennings]

Ok, there are some things missing here before we say BS!! First off, was the Prelude an auto?? That could make a real difference. Second, once you hit traffic, maybe he let off a little, to be safe, and then he couldn't catch up after that!

P.S. what street were you racing on, and what theater did you just come from?? Don't tell me it was 4th street, you'd have to be nuts to race out there, cops are swarming that street all the time!!

[PuckPuck]

TeamXtreme - it's called insurance... i thought the same at first, but i take pics of all my installs and keep all my receipts.... insurance company said that was fine and if anything were to happen i could use pics and receipts for my claims - they will even cover labour for the installs (so you can bill yourself out if you installed it yourself and get paid by the insurance company later)

[mprtklr]

ok jjennings, if your talking to me, this has turned into quite a large turnout for a simple stupid road story, it was the theater on allesandro, in that big towncenter. and trust me he wasnt backing away at all. and read all the stories above of all the people who have beat preludes, you know everyone makes a fukkin prelude out to be a god among cars, hate to say it, BUT THEIR NOT!!!! their overweighted, underpowered and are NOT FAST!!

[jjennings]

Ahhh, Mission Grove theater, I live about 5 minutes from there. Yeah, a lot of people on here also need to think that the other driver/car could have been a huge reason as to why it is sometimes easy for anybody to beat anybody. I mean the prelude could have had 300lbs of stereo equip, and 300lb girlfriend, or whatever. Me, I don't have a problem beating a 2000 prelude at all. My cousin owns one, and it is quick, stock for stock, we were a good race, it all just depended from day to day. But with mods, he doesn't stand a chance now, I easily beat him by at least 2.5 cars in the street.


P.S. My cousin can't drive worth $hit!!!

[mprtklr]

exactly, he could have sucked as a driver, there were 2 people in the car, ill assume guy/girlfriend, but i was in the same cirsumstances. But he may not have known how to drive, could have been a totally different result had he have the skill level I have in driving? maybe?

[mprtklr]

300 Lbs Girlfriend i/expressions/smile.gif tee-hee

[mbacis]

Just curious, TeamXtreme, what are you shipping out for? Deck or Engine? I have my 3rdA/E.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

I am in the military and I am shipping my car overseas for a year tour.

Larry

[Cat88Extreme]

TeamXtreme, when are you leaving (military tour)? I just want to know when I can come back to this section of the NECO Forums and have fun reading posts again, instead of seeing you pick a fight with everyone that dares to beat a car you happen to like. Not J/K, just tired of all the B/S that goes on because of you and I hope our moderators are as well.

[BlackDragon]

I believe the SHs are actually slower, and has better handlin than the S...that's it...my friend with S prelude told me this...so...don't yell at me if its wrong....

[Chim15]

Just to clear some things up:

Big Country, The Lude has 156 ft/lb of torque @ 5250 and the Cougar 160 ft/lb. @ 4250. It's not that big of a difference.

Red99SE, There is no auto-stick SH model offered.

I believe you mprtklr. Driver abililty can be more than enough to make up for differences in car ability.

Oh and another thing. The base Prelude 5-sp. weighs 2954 lbs, the SH is 3042. The Cougar is listed at 3013. If the Prelude is heavy, what is the Cougar.

I've seen published numbers for the SH of 15.4 in the quarter, and 16 seconds flat in the quarter for the Sport**** transmission.

I've seen the 5-sp. Cougar pull a published 16 flat in the quarter.

Of course, these are magazine numbers take them for what you will.

If we're going to have a conversation, let's get the basic info first.

[mprtklr]

the SH adds a power differating Differential that shifts power to the different wheels depending on the angle on incline or attack. The cougar auto is listed at 3042, my car (and the reason i know this is i had to have it weighed to register it in cali, becuase i bought in vegas). It weighs 2883, that i believe is the manual weight. Also its about torque, the prelude stock pulls more HP, but the cougar i believe develops about 20 more pounds of torque at a lower RPM.

THE SH is slower due to its same power btu more weight, it handles better because of the reason above.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

I pick a fight? With who? I have just stated my opinion. To be honest with you I hate the new preludes. The only preludes I like are the 4th gen ones(92-95). I actually like the look of the Cougar is why I am here. That and my brother owns one. The only Cougars I have seen run have been slow is what I am basing my views on. Yes they had I/E as well. My buddy has a 2000 prelude(not sure on whether it is an S or what) and he runs 9.9 in the 1/8th. According to the conversion chart I have that is around a 15.4. That charts are not completely accurate.

Even when I am there I will still have my computer and internet. I am not here to start anything. I am just basing it on track experience.

Larry

[BigKat]

"The Lude has 156 ft/lb of torque @ 5250 and the Cougar 160 ft/lb. @ 4250. It's not that big of a difference."

4 ft/lbs of torque are not a big difference, but if the 4 extra come on at 1000 rpms earlier, that's a pretty big difference...

damn...my car RULES uphill!

[Cat88Extreme]

TeamXtreme: Hmm calling people a liar (maybe not straight out saying it, but you don't have to say it directly without meaning it), telling people they don't know what the hell they are talking about, talking down to people (which includes calling them childish), calling people out to a drag if they are so confident in there car, telling people they're car isn't modded at all because cosmetics don't count (maybe in your book) and I could go on, but I'm tired of the subject and you. In general you just seem to have no respect for other people. Leave your computer in the states, we would all appreciate it, Thank You.

[Chim15]

Just for further reference, if you want some real-world weight numbers as opposed to manufacturer's ratings (which quite often are misleading, ask 2001 Miata owners) three members on the board I visit hath weighed their 5th Gen Preludes and came out with 2860lbs for the base, and around 2930 for the SH (there were two SHs that weighed their cars and I took the heavier number).

BTW where do Cougars redline on the tach?

[PuckPuck]

we have a dual stage rev limiter... fuel cut-off at 6500 and ignition cut-off at 6750... we produce most power @ around 5500 i beleive

[Chim15]

"4 ft/lbs of torque are not a big difference, but if the 4 extra come on at 1000 rpms earlier, that's a pretty big difference..."

So then let's do some math, the Cougar makes the most torque at 4250, and the fuel cut is 6500. That's a potential remaining powerband of 2250. The Prelude produces peak torque at 5250 and fuel cut off is 7600, that's a potential remaining powerband of 2350. Looks pretty similar to me. Of course, this relies on the premise that both cars continue to make power up until fuel cut. With the Lude, power drops off noticably at around 7500 I definitely can verify that for the Lude, as I've seen dynos to verify this. However, I won't make any assumptions about the Cougar, as I've never seen a dyno for one. But most stock, production cars do stop making power a couple hundred RPMs before fuel cut, otherwise why not have the cut higher in the rev band? So take what you want from that.

So when it comes down to it, can we just drop the one-car-is-better-than-the-other arguments and just say "Congrats on the kill, mprtklr"?

i/expressions/wink.gif

[mprtklr]

max continous RPM's is 6400, MAX intermittend is 6890RPM and fuel shutoff occurs a 7200RPM.

[mprtklr]

hinestly, that was like a week ago now, and im bored with the subject i/expressions/smile.gif but thanx

[PuckPuck]

i can assure you fuel cutoff happens much ealier than 7200... ask StreetConcepts he blew a piston because of the fuel cutoff

[mprtklr]

you never seem to amaze me in your knoweledge of just about everything cougarish. you must be the lead engineer, the lead design consultant, and the person who sits on the line and build it. you seem to give the impression that you know everything about these cars? why is that, out of curiousity? maybe just perhaps there is someone who knows more than you, (i know its a long shot, but just maybe) and let me tell you, the engine is capable of over 7000 rpms, i have done it, i know people who have done it, the MCM Service Manager at my LM dealership knows it, and the Ford Engineer who lives 2 houses from me, who works at the Lincoln/Mercury World Headquarters in Irvine, Ca knows it. Give someone else a chance to express their knowledge, and don't shoot down everyone elses ideas, because you have some vast knowledge of all this DURATEC. oh sorry, there have been threads were you knew something about every facet of the car. never once have i seen you in a thread ask a question.

[FuzzyRag]

Dude, chill! Puck is right, its at 6700...obviously something is up. A chip must've allowed you to go over the 6700 mark, because w/ stock chip and ECU, its IMPOSSIBLE. I've had the car shut down when I hit this mark. Nevermind though, you probably won't listen...

[jjennings]

Nope, it all depends on year and model of car! My fuel cutoff is at 7200 rpm's and I can take it to 6950 in every gear (haven't done it in 4 or 5th though) It also states this info in my owners manual. FORD is a peice of **** company, they can't ever seem to make anything the same. In 3 prodution years of the Cougar, you will find a ton of differences in each model and make!!

[PuckPuck]

mpktrl: obviously you have some serious issues... i know alot about the vehicles because i'm on here quite often and i read other posts. My 2000 cougar will cut fuel at 6500 so do the 99 cougars... maybe yours is different somehow i doubt it's at 7200 without a chip... and i will also be one of the first to say that a duratec can take upto 8000 rpms on an intermit basis.... maybe you should get your head checked and cool down a little... now i have seen the RPMS in my car go past 7000 but that dosen't mean that there was fuel or ignition in the chamber.. .maybe your ignorance has caught up to you as you don't seem like you konw very much of how an engine... ANY ENGINE works.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

Cat88extreme you seem to be the only real person that has a problem with everything I say. I have been modding vehicles for 15 yrs and have learned a lot over that time. I dont try to sound arrogant. I just want to better the sport compact image. I know that many people think that all sport compacts are irresponsible. I am not here to bash anyone. I am tired of us ( all sport compacts) carrying a bad name for a few people who want to do stupid things. I have no problem with street racing just do it responsibly. I street race a lot but not in traffic. I dont want anyone other then myself and the other driver to be endangered. All I am saying is that people should think before they do something dumb.

If you would have noticed I was talking about go fast mods. I consider body kits and paint mods but not go fast mods.

Yes I invited people out to drag race.

Who did I say didnt know anything?

I still say that anyone who races in traffic i.e. passes on the shoulder or weaving in and out of traffic is CHILDISH. That is one view I believe in. Maybe you havent lost friends to idiots like that but I have.

Larry

[mprtklr]

dont know, my ignorance is amazing, considering i worked for toyota in their design department for 10 years and now own my own race shop. i guess i must be bluffing someone huh? are your credentials are.....????? reading other peoples posts. hmmm, i have a BS in Automotive Engineering, yours...... reading other peoples posts. good comparo. the only issue i have is your ability to just know everything, ya know, jack of all trades, master of none.

[mprtklr]

thank you jjennings, and thats true about design, nothing is the same from design to design almost.

[TeamXtreme92GSR]

Me: 99 Prelude Intake, exhaust
Brian: 98 ITR 58k miles, Intake, header, vafc (only tuned for crossover) venom stickers?
Heres where we did a 20 punch out on 121. He is one of the best ITR drivers I've seen and his car is fast so don't start with him

When you see the camera move to the right, the ITR is not pulling like he has nitrous! watch the camera go back to where it started.

This is my first captured video thats been uploaded, tell me how it works out. Thanks

special thanks to passatvr6 for his amateur camera work

http://members.home.net/mbartov/movies/itr20punch.mpg


99 Prelude vs ITR (http://members.home.net/mbartov/movies/itr20punch.mpg)

Taken from another message board

Larry

[FuzzyRag]

so in other words, some cars got a program in the chip that allow a different redline? Thats kinda...unbelievable. It wouldn't surprise me too much w/ Ford...

[PuckPuck]

mpktlr: i'm not going to continue this argument with you as you don't want to try and understand that other users have experience fuel cut-offs at 6500 RPMS and actually blew a motor because of NOS and no fuel, maybe your car is different, maybe ford actually reads these boards and decided to up the fule cut-off however based on knowledge i have gathered from this vehicle (in which any degree will not give you specifics on a vehicle) the fuel cut-off is set to 6500 (and i checked my manual also and that's what it says - i have a 2000)

[jjennings]

An FYI:: 2001 Mercury Cougar Handbook specs sheet states:

Maximum Constant RPM's 6700

Maximum Intermittant RPM's 6950

Fuel Shutoff 7200RPM's

I was ordering a Cumputer chip for my car, and I was told by tech support who was customizing the Diablo, that he had a list of 27 different computer codes and different settings for each computer for For our applications. I beleive that Ford is constantly experimenting with different settings, and material to better their product.

Another example of this is in the 2001 Cougars, we have a different 2.5L duratech engine, a different suspension (same setup) but the springs, and upper mount perches are different. It is very possible considering that we drive Fords that just about any little differences are possible. A different fuel system, different headers, different different different!!

It's a ***** when it comes to trying to customize certain things!!

[mprtklr]

ok puck puck i apoligize, i get hot headed sometimes, its the italian in me. I did not mean to insult your intelligence. But you must underdstand sometimes what you say is not always correct. And whenever i make a comment i always add a disclaimer, "FOR ME ANYWAYS" and you don't you make your responses like "that is it" and final.
my manual says the exact same thing as your jjennings. Also i found out that the 2.5l in the 2001 is actually a 9.4 to 1 compression as opposed to 9.6 to 1 for 2000 this is so they could meet emissions control for 2001, make you wonder what they did to keep the HP and torque the same by lowering the compression.

[jjennings]

I don't know, the upper intake manifold is different, the throttle body is different, the computer is different, the emissions are totaly different. But I did race a stock v6 with like 40,000 miles on it, when mine was brand new, and I beat him by about 2 feet?? So who knows, it's actually pretty weird.

[mprtklr]

a 2001 with 40k? wow, he must drive alot

[jjennings]

No, it was a 99

[mprtklr]

ooohhhhhhh ok

[PuckPuck]

the bore and stroke are diffrent too on the 2001 engines... exigent has the exact specs but the 2001 engines work out to 2.49L while the 99 and 2000 engines work out to 2.5L... go figure

[ov3n]

whats different about the manifold and throttle body?

[jjennings]

Yeah, you guys would be suprised to know how different the 2001 cougar is from the 99-00

[mprtklr]

i like the 2001 17" rims though.

[Cat88Extreme]

I do know that the redlines are a little different from car to car, they were all supposedly at what Puck Puck has stated, but I know that I can always go over 6500, I get somewhere around 6700 when it kicks in. I always thought that was kind of wierd since the book says 6500, although I would like mine to be at 7200, that would be my only reason for getting a chip for my car, since I'm really happy with my horsepower (not lookin for a drag car or anything, just some good pep when I punch it). I would just like the extra rpms, for when I do want to punch it since it seems like the car really pulls hard right up to the rev limiter (of course that's just a butt dyno). Just my 2 cents though.

[Frank]

I think the problem is the HORRIBLE tachometer our cars come with. It's like an instant replay of what your engine was doing 1 second ago. The rev limiter might not kick in until around 7000, but you've gotta shift when the tach says 6500 because of the lag

[mprtklr]

check engine light is a mod? thats a fukked up mod

[Frank]

No, but I'm sure my Ford dealer will say it's the result of mods so.... same difference i/expressions/eyes.gif

[mprtklr]

hehe, take out your intake goodies and play dumb to it.