Double Adjustable Toe Arms

[jrak123]

I am opening a group buy for my custom Toe Arms to help generate revenue for my upcoming Double adjustable front and rear control arms. I normally sell them for $150 a set and if I can get 10 buyers or more I will sell them for $130 a set plus shipping

They come in Gold anodized finish and you have the option of poly urethane bushings at both ends( this is the setup I recommend ) or you can have poly up in the sub frame and a spherical heim joint at the bottom(bad idea for daily driver). If you want them in a different color I can have them powder-coated for an additional $15(can add up to 2 weeks for shipment since I have to outsource this step and I can't judge for sure how long they will take to do it)

Please post here and then send me a PM with your info on ordering. Also to keep the thread clean please just PM me any questions and concerns on the product.


http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f345/jrak123/suspension%20parts/DSCF0197-1.jpg

list:

1. Jorgen
2. Maverick
3. Coogah [powder coated black](paid)
4. j99coug(paid)
5. cvsmightymouse24
6. Bensenvill [powder coated black]
7. racerx [spherical rod ends][paid]
8. E1 [powder coated black]
9. S.BOOGIE2468 [powder coated Blue][paid]
10. Drewmanfu0 [powder coated Pink][Paid]

[J-Man]

I will be the first in on this, with poly bushings on each end.

1. j99coug

[jrak123]

I will be the first in on this, with poly bushings on each end.

1. j99coug
actually you are #3 since Maverickflyer and Jorgen are in too.
1. Jorgen
2. Mav.
3. j99coug


also I decided no to limit it to 10 sets as I get payment I will order materials and then process orders and ship them as they come in.

[StealthyWeasel]

1. Jorgen
2. Maverick
3. j99coug
4. StealthyWeasel

[cvsmightymouse24]

add me to the list!

[bensenvill]

geez, come on guys, this group buy is dragging on forever.... we only need 4 more people

1. Jorgen
2. Maverick
3. j99coug
4. StealthyWeasel
5. cvsmightymouse24
6. Bensenvill [powder coated black]

[Comando489]

geez, come on guys, this group buy is dragging on forever.... we only need 4 more people

1. Jorgen
2. Maverick
3. j99coug
4. StealthyWeasel
5. cvsmightymouse24
6. Bensenvill [powder coated black]

i hope ur kidding :rofl:

[StealthyWeasel]

yea, I want black as well. (I think, for now). These will be great, im excited.

[racerx]

I am in for a set with spherical on one end.....

[jrak123]

adding you to the list now. thanks

[COOGAH]

LOL, i was about to post a "wtf?!" but after further review i just might....wtf!! why am i number 7?! we talked about this like 2 weeks ago dude!

[J-Man]

When would you like to be paid Jason?

[jrak123]

LOL, i was about to post a "wtf?!" but after further review i just might....wtf!! why am i number 7?! we talked about this like 2 weeks ago dude!
look again sweetie :kiss:

[jrak123]

When would you like to be paid Jason?
people can start sending their money in any time my paypal is jrak123@yahoo.com. please send me a pm to let me know that the payment has been sent and also include in the pm your address just to verify I have the correct information.

[COOGAH]

I'm movin on up! to the east side!................

[shadowfox28]

so what exzactly will happen after these are installed? How are they adjusted and how will it effect ride quality? And can they be powedercoated a shiny silver? Is there a guarantee on the finish..

[jrak123]

they will hold adjustment better than stock parts, they wont bend or flex as easily as the stock parts and they will stiffen up the rear of the car.

What kind of guarantee do you want with the finish> it's powdercoating, what else do you want? Silver is am avaliable finish.

[J-Man]

Money will be sent on Tuesday when the banks open up again, thanks Jason!

[jaged]

the aluminum tube has a spot on each end for a wrench to tighten the nut against. it is gnarled in the middle to adjust by hand. when loose you turn it in the middle and both ends push in or out since one side has left handed threads.

[fordrule]

me likey, can you powdercoat the bars to match the roush swaybar?

[jrak123]

yeah I should be able to get close to that color blue, Joe

[jrak123]

Bumparoo. I have 10 buyers now, but I will keep this open for another week to see if I get any more orders. Then the people that are in on the buy can paypal me the money. paypal is jrak123@yahoo.com .

When sending the money please include a PM to me here in the boards with your shipping info and the specs that you want the arms built to. Ie. Powderocating and color. If it is a special color send me a pic of the color you want. and include $15 more for the coating. Then specify if you want both Poly joints or if you want poly up top and spherical at the bottom. Shipping will also add $10 a set.

[J-Man]

So 140 shipped to me? Ready to pay now.

[jrak123]

So 140 shipped to me? Ready to pay now.
that is correct sir.

[Drewmanfu0]

Jason,
I need a set up good for daily driving powder coated pink. Figured out what the rattle in the rear end was.

[J-Man]

When will these be shipped?

[StealthyWeasel]

blah, and im out for now. sorry..

[jrak123]

When will these be shipped?
Justin, I am prdering the materials this week and the non coated ones will be shipped the day after I get the materials in. I will need one day for fabrication and assenbly

[J-Man]

Thank you Jason, sorry to hear about your computer taking a dump on ya. That always sucks! Just let me know man.

[Snowboarder]

hey I don't know much about these so please exscuse any dumb questions and be nice to me haha! but what EXACTELY do these do, they adjust the chamber of a lowered car correct so that you can align the rear end? am I close, because all I know is I have air bag suspension and my passenger side rear tire has decided to do this (mini picture to the right) driver side rear tire --> | \ <--- passenger side rear tire in a view from the back on the car and not so extreme, but if that makes sence to you will these fix that haha! sorry I sound like an idiot I did a quick search on google on what exactely these adjust and all I came up with is there for the rear and they allow you to adjust your toe of your tire for less wear if you lower your car! please help me out!

[jaged]

these adjust the toe only which is the inward outward adjustment horizontally of the front of the tire

[jrak123]

these adjust the toe only which is the inward outward adjustment horizontally of the front of the tire
like he said... thanks for chiming in for me there Jason

[bensenvill]

snowboarder, I'll add that its half your solution to rear camber adjustment on lowered cars. Adjustible lower control arms [which hopefully jason has on the near horizon] will allow changes to camber... but you also need to reflect these changes on the toe arms other wise your going to look like sonza dancing [toes pointed in].


jason, when do you want cash?

[jrak123]

When can you send it terry? I am ordering stuff tomorrow meaning I should have the parts by Tuesday next week then stuff being shipped Wed or Thursday.(except for the powdercoated arms, that will take a bit longer)

[bensenvill]

cool!

I'll have it sent this afternoon

[EternalOne]

Jason, you'll have my money tonight/tomorrow. I forgot to give ya the cash last night, too much on my mind and all...

E1

[jrak123]

Yeah I figured as much John. I will be seeing you a few times this weekend. so no sweat.

[cvsmightymouse24]

so when do you want the money in by?

[jrak123]

so when do you want the money in by?
the sooner the better, I am ordering the stuff tomorrow.

[blustreak]

Ok…. so I just got an alignment on my car and the “toe” was off on all four corners. It’s ok now but if I were to get these and eventually put them on what would I tell the shop or whoever helped me adjust everything? Soon this will be my second car but I’m planning ahead

[jaged]

yes, only adjustment difference is that it is a lot easier to adjust. they would be able to adjust it to the same spec or whatever spec you tell them

[J-Man]

Hows the progress coming along?

[J-Man]

so. . .uhhh. . .yeah. . .

[bensenvill]

so....uhhh...yeah...

if he ordered the parts sometime after the 4th [last thursday]... chances are the parts are still in the mail or yet to be shipped to him...

so....uhhh...yeah...

[J-Man]

Shaddup Terry:tongue: I just want an update from Jason, no harm no foul.

[bensenvill]

and I just wanted to be an ass.

ya I'm curious myself [not that I have any immediate need for them.... or dont already have tubular toe arms already on the car]

[jrak123]

Ok, sorry for the lask of communication, I have been busy this week. Yes I placed the order last week, but when I hadn't gotten the parts on tuesday as expected I called them to find out the hold up. My order was on hold because the Urathane heim joints are on back order, So I gave them approval to sent the other matrials so I can get them off to powder coating. It's going to be a week or so before I get the rest of the materials in. By then everyone's stuff should be back from powder coat and I can ship all orders at that time.

[racerx]

If the heims are the holdup, just send mine out without them, I can get heims just about anywhere. Working on sprint cars is great for finding parts when necessary.

[J-Man]

How are they coming along Jason?

[jrak123]

still waiting on the upper bushings...damn backorders :banghead: I called them again yesterday and they are expecting them in about a week. meaning about 7-9 days for them to get to me. Sorry for all the delays folks, I wish I had checked with them on thier invintory before I had started the group but. But you live and learn I guess.

[jrak123]

Well I spoke to my supplier last night as to why I haven't gotten my parts yet. They were on back order, now they are discontinued. I am looking for a solution for it right now but it may take a bit more time to get it worked out. I understand that everyone has been waiting very patiently and I completely understand if you aren't willing to wait any longer and want a refund.

But I hope that you are all willing to give me some more time to get this together. I am supposed to call the sales manager to sort it out today.

[J-Man]

Ugh that sucks Jason, let me know what they say and if you can or cannot get a replacement piece.

[MaverickFlyer]

No rush Jason, Still a couple months till spring.

[99cougarsupreme]

Hey i sent the payment 2 days ago. just let us know when they are done. :biggrin:

[jrak123]

Thanks for the understanding guys,for everyone that ordered strut bars I am going to go ahead and have my powdercoater shoot the color on them so I can at least close out that Group buy.

[JScullin]

Everyone is probably so understanding because they know they'll get their ass kicked if they show up trying to get a refund.

[MaverickFlyer]

Everyone is probably so understanding because they know they'll get their ass kicked if they show up trying to get a refund.

Bah, he's all talk! :tongue:

I'd be more worried about getting something else done to my ass then getting it kicked by Jason. :ugh:

[jrak123]

Bah, he's all talk! :tongue:

I'd be more worried about getting something else done to my ass then getting it kicked by Jason. :ugh:
only you though pretty princess.... well only you and Mandy that is.

[MaverickFlyer]

only you though pretty princess.... well only you and Mandy that is.

I feel so special! :rofl:

[jrak123]

I feel so special! :rofl:
oh you'll feel something special. I will tell you that pretty princess

[bensenvill]

as funny as my comment was going to be, I'll refain from posting it.

I'm in no hurry jason as long as you keep me updated on the status.

[JScullin]

So what exactly is missing from the total package? Just the bushings?

[jrak123]

yeah the bushings, scully

[JScullin]

Nobody else we can go to or are these a custom order? Just curious since if you wanna get them out to people just toss some coin back and recommend a place.

[Drewmanfu0]

All is cool Jason, Just give me a heads up when you get the parts so I can book shop time at school to get these bishes in.

[Jorgen]

All is cool Jason, Just give me a heads up when you get the parts so I can book shop time at school to get these bishes in.

These should be pretty easy to install for you, I did one in a parking lot at Oakland when I still lived in the dorms. Took about 10 minutes at most then alignment time.

[bensenvill]

mine took almost 2 months... but thats because I wasnt carefull and ended up snapping off one the the hub assembly bolts putting the new toe arm on. It all ended good because the result was rear disk brakes.

but ya, its something that should only take 2 beers.

[Teebs]

My bolts were rusted in pretty good, took me about 1 1/2 hours to install the bars and I was using a lift in the schools garage... I was also be extremely careful not to break the bolts off, i was using a long L-handle to break them lose with tons of WD-40 to help. I really don't see how they could possibly take 10 minutes? Unless your bolts were pretty clean?

[Drewmanfu0]

These should be pretty easy to install for you, I did one in a parking lot at Oakland when I still lived in the dorms. Took about 10 minutes at most then alignment time.
I have more things planned to do while the car is in the shop, I would like to do it all at once while I'm able to do it in the HEAT.

[J-Man]

Jason, did you source an alternate place to get the parts from.

If this goes on for much longer I'll need the money for other things unfortunately.

[JScullin]

Any good word? I have some free downtime burning a hole in the car. :)

[racerx]

Some sort of update would be nice...;)

[racerx]

still waiting for something............

[jrak123]

I'm at work right now, I wont be home until later tonight. But when I get home I will post a full update as to what is going on with all of this.

[Murdock]

In Jrak's defence (before he posts his update)...he has been extremely busy lately with a lot of other things. He is a great guy and not out to screw anyone over. I have been speaking to him about these, and hopefully we will work something out to get the arms fabed and shipped out ASAP. Please just give him a little more time and everything will be taken care of.

[JScullin]

I'm only asking because I have a set of ES rear bushing replacements and was curious if I could use those in place of the parts on hold.

[Murdock]

I am not too sure...

[jrak123]

I'm only asking because I have a set of ES rear bushing replacements and was curious if I could use those in place of the parts on hold.
No, scully, they wont work. The items I am trying to locate are similar to heim joints, just with a poly insert instead of a ball end.

I also had some troubles with the upper joints, but I have worked them out and sourced them again. I am still working on the lower joints. For those of you that wanted solid/ not urithane heims I can get those out to you in the next week or so now.

But for the others I am still working on that. I can change orders to regualr heims for people if they wish.

[bensenvill]

I already have heim joint toe arms, I am in this for the poly, otherwise they are of no use to me. thanks for the update jason.

[racerx]

I ordered mine with regular heims, is there any ETA available?

[jrak123]

I should have them to you by mid next week.

[racerx]

I should have them to you by mid next week.



any word on anything?

[Teebs]

I love these toe-arms!!! I feel they've made a differance, I can make the car oversteer in dry weather now with very little effort. These arms were definately worth the money, I paid alittle more for mine because it was before the group buy, but i had them in about a week and installed in about 2 hours, bolts were ceased pretty good...

These have held up way better than stock imo... The other night coming around a corner, halfway through it turned into gravel, whole car goes sideways and off the road onto someones lawn, mud flying, whole side of my car was covered. I thought for sure something would have broke. Look under the car, grass everywhere, mud falling off it. And Jraks arms still shining and straight. :) I know, it was a stupid thing to do... I was so pissed at myself as i drove home and my car shook really hard at 80km/h, got home, sprayed it down. Turned out to be mud on the rims that was the problem..

But anyways, car handles great with the new arms, and they've taken a beating and still kept on kickin. Jason is a great guy, even drove and met me with the arms.

Just one question though about your arms... Should i replace the hardware? The bolts on the knuckle allow for alittle bit of play in the arms, probably just the mileage and rust on the stock bolts. I think that may be contributing to my vibration I feel??

[racerx]

3/13/2007
I should have them to you by mid next week.

15 days, still no word, if there is something holding things up, I want to know. If they are shipping sometime in the near future, I want to know. You have my money, I want the arms. If you are too busy to produce them, then just say so and return everyones money.

[Drewmanfu0]

Jason, I really need to get these, or my money back to go to the dealership to pick some new ones up. One of mine has bent and really need a new one badly.

Thanks

-Andrew

[JScullin]

What's the good word?

[racerx]

03-29-2007, 06:27 AM
jrak123
Fresh SMEX

NECO Gold Member




Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,155
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Sorry that I didn't get a chance to get your parts to you yet. I should in all honesty be able to ship them out to you by Monday next week. I was really sick most of the week last week, in and out of the doctors office and emercengy room, so that left me little energy or time to get things done in a timely manner. But for sure I will get the parts out to you. this time. I am very sorry for all the delays.

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Ok, this is now getting to be BS! I am told next week, then next week, I am told next week, then again next week........I WANT MY PARTS!!! Once again, I will say this, either ship them and forward me the tracking number, or return the damn money!!! I will give you one more week, then I will approach the moderators to begin the process to have buyer beware label attached to you. Plain and simple, dont bulls!@t me when you have my money......

[StealthyWeasel]

he hasn't been on for four days. I have his phone number if you want it.
I'll bite my tongue on this.

[Yofavcracka]

he hasn't been on for four days. I have his phone number if you want it.
I'll bite my tongue on this.
cuz we all know how well transactions between you two have gone :cover: lol

[Teebs]

cuz we all know how well transactions between you two have gone :cover: lol


^^OHHHH! Burn!^^

I've only talked to Jason breifly, but I've put alot of trust in him. He made a quality part and was did more than he should have to make sure they were in my hands ASAP. I'm sure theres some explanation to his absence and why these parts have taken this long.

And if you needed these parts right away, Jason had some stocks when I was buying mine that he offered to me on loan to keep my car running until his supplier came threw with his parts. I'm sure he would have done the same for you had you mentioned the urgency of his part.

Before everyone starts throwing accusations at each other, lets wait to hear from Jason... There's very few people that I know so little about like Jason, but would still honestly trust my life to. Call me crazy, but I trust the old bugger.:crazy: :tongue:

[jrak123]

03-29-2007, 06:27 AM
jrak123
Fresh SMEX

NECO Gold Member




Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,155
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Sorry that I didn't get a chance to get your parts to you yet. I should in all honesty be able to ship them out to you by Monday next week. I was really sick most of the week last week, in and out of the doctors office and emercengy room, so that left me little energy or time to get things done in a timely manner. But for sure I will get the parts out to you. this time. I am very sorry for all the delays.

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Ok, this is now getting to be BS! I am told next week, then next week, I am told next week, then again next week........I WANT MY PARTS!!! Once again, I will say this, either ship them and forward me the tracking number, or return the damn money!!! I will give you one more week, then I will approach the moderators to begin the process to have buyer beware label attached to you. Plain and simple, dont bulls!@t me when you have my money......
Did I not also offer you a refund if you couldn't wait? I sent you another Pm after this one above offering you a refund, and I never heard back from you about this.

[racerx]

So, whats the new shipping date? Next week? Or should I just get my money back and develop my own?

[racerx]

Tell ya what, just return the money, I dont want to wait anymore, its been 3 months already.

[JScullin]

Sooo...

[jrak123]

I am anxiously awaiting a reply from a supplier here from GM that said she should be able to get me the poly ends that I need to complete the arms.

[JScullin]

So can we

- Get the arms w/out the bushings plus some credit on the bushings.
- Get the arms and let us know what we need for bushings.
- Get a refund until you get the parts.

I know I was one of the last people to get in on this, but it's going on 5 months now for everyone else. I could put this money somewhere else right now.

[JScullin]

Here is the latest update from Jrak:

"I apologize for my lack of communication on the matter with you and everyone involved. I will let you know that I have been in contact with many suppliers and it seems as though that the only company that has the parts available is www.speedwaymotors.com in which they have discontinued selling the product. I have been in communication with the sales reps. from speedway about making a consideration about ordering some just so I can close this GB. I have been going back and forth with them for some time now, a lot of phone tag has been going on with them on the matter. So I am sure I will get the parts in to complete the toe arms, I am just unsure about how much longer it's going to take to do such a thing."

Personally, I'll hold on and wait out as long as I can to get these despite him offering to refund me. I really just wanted to hear something on what's going on or a possible resolution on the elusive bushings.

[JScullin]

Jrak is currently ignoring the board and any attempts at contacting him outside of showing up at his house or calling him.

We have some local mods who are trying to get his GB's and other parts issues with other members resolved.

Until we have a final answer I'm going to lock his threads.