help deciding **check post 62 for link**

[cougarprophet]

well, its time for me to start thinking of the positions of the subs, and i've come up with some ideas, but now i cant decide which one i like better, so i though i'de ask you guys/girls

option 1
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0136.jpg

option 2
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0138.jpg

option 3
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0140.jpg

[ND4SPD]

*rubs eyes*

They all look the same?? :cover: did you post the right pictures?? ;)

[cougarprophet]

i guess the question should be should i put the amp there, the blue thing, or just the subs

[LadyX]

I'd go with option 3

[mandy]

i would say 2 or 3, but the amp dosent look right sitting there

[CougarBum]

what is the blue thing?

[MUSKOKN]

Option 1, but only if you can mold like some sort of platform so it sit elevated from the subs....Just an idea.

Otherwise number three.

[MaverickFlyer]

None, I like the first one but the amp needs to be moved down a bit. I like it moulded in but not covering the subs in any way. maybe it's just the angle of the picture.

[2002XR]

Option 3 with a capacitor in the middle under plexi glass with accent lighting...

[cougarprophet]

thanks everyone, heres wat i've ended up with i really like it, theres enough space behind the box to put a pair of neon/led lights back there as accent lights, it should be nice.....

maya the blue thing has the symbol of the subs im using, it came with the box and should be a nice touch when its all down....

i would have liked to go with option one but like maverickflyer said it covered up a part of the subs and was to high.....and the way the wires go into it, it would have taken alot of work to hide them.....

so heres the box,

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0141.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0143.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0145.jpg

[cougarprophet]

:biggrin:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0151.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0150.jpg

[20COUG00]

^^ Thumbs up!

Gettin there.

[ND4SPD]

this is pretty inspiring... Makes me want to go play with fiberglass.... :)

[cougarprophet]

this is pretty inspiring... Makes me want to go play with fiberglass.... :)

thanks, its looking better now that its sanded down and the subs now in it( just for the moment of course

soon i should be onto the bondo and sanding step :biggrin:

[MaverickFlyer]

Well hurry up so we can see the final product! :biggrin:

[jaged]

Looking good

just reminds me how much i hate working with fiberglass, but I know im gonna have to this winter.

[20COUG00]

^^^ I wish it got warm enough still to do work on my car. Its parked till may:(

[cougarprophet]

here it is after sanding down any major bumps, the black circles are were i need to sand still...i cleaned out the holes and put the subs in for effect

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0152.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0153.jpg

[MaverickFlyer]

Looking good! What colour are you going to paint it?

[ND4SPD]

Okay... one thing I've always wanted to know about fiberglass boxes...

Subs have specific dimensions and stuff required to work properly night?
Things like a specific volume of space.

Basically - how do you know that those subs will work and sound good in THAT box... which was based more around to fit the trunk, than built for the subs.

Just always been curious... I see these gorgeous fiberglass setups, and always thought "how does that work". :)

[jaged]

they will work with any amount of air in there. it just depends on how well they work.

[20COUG00]

Alot of thing affect the power of the subs and sound, volume of the box wont make a big difference as long as it fully sealed, leaks will make sound abit weak. The major worry is that he has a 600rms amp to power those 2 300rms subs, which will make the big difference.

[ND4SPD]

my thing is, that if volume "won't make a big difference so long as its sealed"

then how come subs come with a 'required volume' requirement? :confused:

[cougarprophet]

subs DO require a specific amount of volume ... and like 20COUG00 the big problem is leaks, if there are any then the number will all be off

as for my box i've measured it out to be almost the same size as my previus box, and since my old box was made within (-+ 10% is the standard) the sub volume number it should sound as good,now if it sounds hollow then i stuff the box with fiberglass insulation which will add deadening and will give it the thump and not an echo

as for my setup the amp i have works nicely with my subs, maybe a bit underpowered but i dont mind it becuase it means that i cant over power them and blow them up

and i have a pint of silverfrost that will be used to paint it( of course not the whole pint will go into it haha)

[ND4SPD]

ye, I have heard of people using insulation... or cotton stuffing to alter the sound... I just never really understood all that stuff. :tongue:
To me, it always seems like people make the boxes to fit the car, then toss in the subs! heh!

Very cool though, I hope it sounds great when its all done... i'm sure you'll let us know. :)

[MaverickFlyer]

I think Volume size is more important on a ported box. If it's a sealed box you can get away with more or less as long as there are no leaks as stated above..

[ND4SPD]

yeah... never understood it. Thats why I leave the audio stuff to the pro's ;)

[MaverickFlyer]

I was really into the car Audio thing when I was younger. Once you get into it you find it really simple.

[20COUG00]

^^ yea in high school it was more fun, and cheap to do, now it all about power. I like that thump better:)

[MaverickFlyer]

Don't get me wrong, I still have that thump in the trunk. I just don't go to the extremes I did back then. :biggrin:

Can anyone else make there CD skip with their bass! :rofl:

[MUSKOKN]

^^ yea in high school it was more fun, and cheap to do, now it all about power. I like that thump better:)

Thats cause the music has evolved. People want subs that can carry a base line, especially for house/trance, D 'n B/Jungle, Breaks, etc. R 'n B too.

Very rare you'll see a fully done system blasting out rock/alternative, and from what I've seen, they'll usually have 10"ers at the most....12's and up are too much for just thumps, unless you really dial em down.

From my experiences at least.

[MUSKOKN]

Can anyone else make there CD skip with their bass! :rofl:

YUP!!!!

It sucks when it happens, but its cool at the same time cause you know you have so much damn BASS!!!!

FEEL DA BASS!!!! :tongue:

I like it when I get pins and needles in my head from the bass.:rofl:

[MaverickFlyer]

Thats cause the music has evolved. People want subs that can carry a base line, especially for house/trance, D 'n B/Jungle, Breaks, etc. R 'n B too.

Very rare you'll see a fully done system blasting out rock/alternative, and from what I've seen, they'll usually have 10"ers at the most....12's and up are too much for just thumps, unless you really dial em down.

From my experiences at least.

I listen to a lot of rock/alternative with my 12's! But yeah, 8's and 10's are better for tighter bass.

[MUSKOKN]

I listen to a lot of rock/alternative with my 12's! But yeah, 8's and 10's are better for tighter bass.

I have one 12 in my trunk, and I have to keep it dialed down pretty much all the way to keep a balance of sound when playing rock/alternative.....everything else....hee hee hee :tongue: :biggrin: GIIVVEERRRRRR!!!!

[ND4SPD]

my stuff is fun... especially playing "One" by Metallica... when that double-pedal drumming starts, its like a massage ;)

[MaverickFlyer]

my stuff is fun... especially playing "One" by Metallica... when that double-pedal drumming starts, its like a massage ;)

Yes, that song hits hard!

http://www.teamneco.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/git.gifhttp://www.teamneco.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/roxor.gif

[cougarprophet]

well heres an update will i watch the new casino royale on my comp....

i've done about 6 layers of bondo and sanding, its now smooth enough to add vinyl.....to bad im painting it:disgust:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0161.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0158.jpg

i've added the terminal for the speakerwires....but not glued it in....
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0160.jpg








kinda looks like it has lepersy(sp) hahahahahaha

[cougarprophet]

oh and if u want a song that his hard, d/' blueberry by ludacris ;)

[LadyX]

..looks like a really big bra! hahaha!

[20COUG00]

turnin out nice, looks like you could need some more bondo on that tho.

[cougarprophet]

not a whole lot.....its only being used to smooh and level....not to coat

[cougarprophet]

well here it is so far, its ready to be vinyled....
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0167.jpg

heres a pic of thew accuracy of the sides:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0165.jpg

from a distance:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0164.jpg

and my final suprise:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0169.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/fiberglass%20box/DSCN0166.jpg

[jaged]

very nice nigel, looks like you might even be able to squeak a strut bar in there still

[MaverickFlyer]

very nice nigel, looks like you might even be able to squeak a strut bar in there still

It's an I4, with the extra weight of the box he won't be able to go fast enough to need a strut bar! :rofl:

[jaged]

theres always the chance a turbo might go in there so :tongue:

it def looks better than a square box. if i ever get some audio im gona tuck it into the back corner so ill have to go through the same process

[MUSKOKN]

That looks pretty damn sweet dude...Good job!!!

[cougarprophet]

It's an I4, with the extra weight of the box he won't be able to go fast enough to need a strut bar! :rofl:
well it is lighter then my old box, but ya, enless i see some major money come my way...i wont be going fast enough to need one :(

That looks pretty damn sweet dude...Good job!!!
thanks,my neighbor came over yesterday and i was helping him with his cavalier and he happened to see it( like u could miss a big pink sub box) and ask were i buaght it, he wouldnt believe me when i told him i made it.....when i did convince him all he said was "huh"

theres always the chance a turbo might go in there so :tongue:

it def looks better than a square box. if i ever get some audio im gona tuck it into the back corner so ill have to go through the same process

thats was my first setup, i had a 10" built into one of the corners, only i filled it with insulation, covered any holes and then added a front panel....

[MaverickFlyer]

It's okay, I have an ST200 for what reason? I don't know. :shrug:

[cougarprophet]

cuase it looks cool

[MaverickFlyer]

cuase it looks cool

:rofl: Your right!

I know what it does, and it does make highway on ramps more fun, but do you really need it. No!

[MUSKOKN]

Dude....You should make a mould of that box...Then if anyone ever wanted one you coulld glass one up in no time. :thumbsup:

I might be interested for one....cause I'm thinking I might wanna relocate my amps and cap. to the sides right behind the tail lights.

[cougarprophet]

Dude....You should make a mould of that box...Then if anyone ever wanted one you coulld glass one up in no time. :thumbsup:

I might be interested for one....cause I'm thinking I might wanna relocate my amps and cap. to the sides right behind the tail lights.

:eek: thats scary becuase i was actually thinking of making one

[cougarprophet]

well after talking with the bodyshop that did the work on my car( the only person i'd go to) i've decided against paint....mainly becuase of the bill, and i dont want to have to worry about throwing stuff in the back...

so im going to carpet it to match the inside

heres a pic of it primered grey, it'll help when it comes to applying the glue

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0173.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0175.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0176.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/cougarprophet/DSCN0177.jpg

[jaged]

and covering it it carpet will help hide little things like waves in the fiberglass, i sanded on my dash forever and still didnt get them all.

Plus that little bit of carpet on each side will make it that much more snug

[MUSKOKN]

Yea painted is more just for show...carpet will also act as a mild dampener too.

Good call though!!!

[ND4SPD]

What happened to the idea of vinyl?? :)

[MUSKOKN]

What happened to the idea of vinyl?? :)

Vinyl would look pretty damn sharpe, and you could get pretty crazy with that too....Like make it the same colour scheme as the seats Charcoal/Beige, white stitching....For an example.

[ND4SPD]

exactly.... he could do layers! Gett two, three colors... and just cut and stitch them together. :)

I just feel that carpet would kinda make the box 'dissapear' in the trunk...

[cougarprophet]

Vinyl would look pretty damn sharpe, and you could get pretty crazy with that too....Like make it the same colour scheme as the seats Charcoal/Beige, white stitching....For an example.

i think u have me mistaken with someone who is actually capable of doing something like that ;P

and my trunk only has the one carpet style, so by carpeting it t will look very sleek

[jaged]

and thats a bad thing matt?

[MaverickFlyer]

and thats a bad thing matt?

Well you go to all the trouble of making a box like that and then you want to make it disappear. Doesn't make sense to me. I think a nice vinyl would look awesome, even if it's one colour. ;)

[cougarprophet]

heres the link to the thread i made of the finished product

linky linky (http://www.newcougar.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1155646#post1155646)

[ND4SPD]

Well you go to all the trouble of making a box like that and then you want to make it disappear. Doesn't make sense to me. I think a nice vinyl would look awesome, even if it's one colour. ;)
exactamundo :)

[cougarprophet]

exactamundo :)
in person u see all the detail, i didnt lose any by putting carpet on it, now in pictures, like the ones take in the seperate thread it does loose its contour, but then im not going to be looking at it everyday from a picture....

[20COUG00]

man you got that thing together quick, to bad your not supposed to play your subs in the winter :( well there always summer.

[michcougar]

to bad your not supposed to play your subs in the winter
Why not? ive never turned mine off for any kind of weather.

[ND4SPD]

for real.... had subs in the car for 2 winters, never had a problem...

[MUSKOKN]

Me neither...I had mine going all winter last year, and my previous car I used my sub for 4 years all-year-round. Never a problem.

Only thing I've always been careful of it to play at a low volume for about 5-10 minutes or so, so it can work in a bit, and the circuits warm up a bit.


Great job Nigel....That looks friggin BRILLIANT!!!!

Would you be willing to do another one? :tongue:

Not right away, but maybe in the near future?

[CougarBum]

Looks good Nigel! It seems like it took you no time at all to do it all!

[ND4SPD]

Looks good Nigel! It seems like it took you no time at all to do it all!
The time it took him really did fly by didn't it? :)
Course, for all the sanding and fiberglassing he did, it probably felt longer!



So whats next Nigel?? :biggrin: :cover:

[CougarBum]

You should start making and selling those. Nice extra income.

[LadyX]

Nice job Nigel! looks great!

[cougarprophet]

The time it took him really did fly by didn't it? :)
Course, for all the sanding and fiberglassing he did, it probably felt longer!



So whats next Nigel?? :biggrin: :cover:


ya, it felt like a long process, but a fun one, i like that kind of stuff

eric, when u want a box like that, shoot me a pm and we'll talk, i would love to turn it into a job but the demand for custom boxs up here is non excistent:(

but if any one from neco wants help, or anything, im always open ;)

and as for my next project, i have some plans for some new speaker enclosures were there rear ones are now.........but thats after a small break....( letting my brain cells recover)

[MUSKOKN]

eric, when u want a box like that, shoot me a pm and we'll talk, i would love to turn it into a job but the demand for custom boxs up here is non excistent:(

and as for my next project, i have some plans for some new speaker enclosures were there rear ones are now.........but thats after a small break....( letting my brain cells recover)

Appreciate that dude....I would also come up and help out too, cause I'd enjoy working on something like that too. I'd still pay of course!!!!

Note: Brain Cells don't recover though....Once they're fried, they're fried!!!! :rofl:

[MaverickFlyer]

The suspension of the speakers will stiffen considerably at very cold
temperatures (lower than 30 degrees F). So will certain cone materials
which may become more brittle.

If a very cold speaker is played very hard there is a small potential
for damage because more stress is placed on the cone's neck. The
likelihood of damage is minimal for well-constructed and well-designed
automotive speakers, however.

Thermally, the danger is minimal because the ambient temperature and
the coil temperature are so low that it is highly unlikely that a coil
will overheat and burn, despite limited movement and ventilation.

At temperatures between +20 degrees F and 0 degrees F, it is a good idea
to play the system at a moderate level until the car's heater has warmed
the vehicle interior. As the speakers warm up, they will play louder
and lower signifying that their suspensions are warming up and returning
to nominal compliance.

If the temperature is extremely cold (less than 0 degrees F), you should
avoid playing the system at all until the vehicle interior is warm.
This is to avoid stress fractures in the surround material (especially
with rubber surrounds).

[MUSKOKN]

The suspension of the speakers will stiffen considerably at very cold
temperatures (lower than 30 degrees F). So will certain cone materials
which may become more brittle.

If a very cold speaker is played very hard there is a small potential
for damage because more stress is placed on the cone's neck. The
likelihood of damage is minimal for well-constructed and well-designed
automotive speakers, however.

Thermally, the danger is minimal because the ambient temperature and
the coil temperature are so low that it is highly unlikely that a coil
will overheat and burn, despite limited movement and ventilation.

At temperatures between +20 degrees F and 0 degrees F, it is a good idea
to play the system at a moderate level until the car's heater has warmed
the vehicle interior. As the speakers warm up, they will play louder
and lower signifying that their suspensions are warming up and returning
to nominal compliance.

If the temperature is extremely cold (less than 0 degrees F), you should
avoid playing the system at all until the vehicle interior is warm.
This is to avoid stress fractures in the surround material (especially
with rubber surrounds).

And that ladies and gentlemen concludes our audio class for the day. :rofl: :rofl:

Thats some solid info man!!!!

[MaverickFlyer]

And that ladies and gentlemen concludes our audio class for the day. :rofl: :rofl:

Thats some solid info man!!!!

Gotta love Google! :rofl:

[cougarprophet]

Note: Brain Cells don't recover though....Once they're fried, they're fried!!!! :rofl:

so thats why i dont have a sense of smell anymore...huh thanks for the heads up hahahah j/k

[20COUG00]

^^Dont worry if painters still can talk, youll be fine:)