Time to Vote

[soldier989]

Well its that time again. I hope all who are registered make it out to vote. I hope you all choose to vote with your mind, and think logically on the issues and nominees at hand. Remember you are an individual, I was raised Democratic but that doesnt mean I HAVE to vote Democratic. I know people tend to vote with how they were raised, its a shame that this is done. It reminds me of a robot.

Just think of the future, and the issues at hand. Our freedoms are being stripped from us daily, such as smoking in bars for example. When people who dont go to bars vote for a smoking ban, it doesnt make sense.

I dont mean to sound offensive to anyone (if I possibly did, that wasnt my goal for this).

[MercCoug99]

im not old enough to vote. but im kind of in the dark. whats the voting for? lol

[jaged]

tuesday is the national election day

[MercCoug99]

ooo ok. please dont mind my ignorance. im english. haha!!!

[Second_Chance]

i don't vote... no point to it, especially in the national elections

[BigBalledOX]

i don't vote... no point to it, especially in the national elections

Thats the most ignorant, retarded attitude I've ever seen in my life. :rolleyes:

[Tygerr]

I voted for no smoking in bars. I'm in bars often enough, people are rude assholes. Especially when they're drinking, they can go outside. Otherwise, they can stop whining or try to do something about it. Smoke is a disgusting smell/habit and I hate going home covered in it.

Voting is tomorrow though.

[soldier989]

I voted for no smoking in bars. I'm in bars often enough, people are rude assholes. Especially when they're drinking, they can go outside. Otherwise, they can stop whining or try to do something about it. Smoke is a disgusting smell/habit and I hate going home covered in it.

Voting is tomorrow though.

Remember one thing....to each their own. I disagree with the ban, as 70% of people in bars smoke and drink. You walk into a bar, you should expect it. You walk into McDonalds you should expect clean air.

Freedoms are getting stripped away from Americans daily, this being one of them. If you ask me, the terrorists are winning, they dont like how we have all our freedoms.

[soldier989]

i don't vote... no point to it, especially in the national elections

Wow, your the kind of person who trys to solve algebra equations by chewing bubble gum arent you?

Try learning something:gtfo:

[Pyro81]

I don't vote and i don't care to.
I don't bother to listen to the canidates because all i hear is useless drivel. It's nothing more than a pissing match between them. And if they do manage to get out an interesting point or two i end up having opinions that agree and dissagree with all of them. Thus making the choice to pick one or the other about as clear as mud.
Call me ignorant.
Call me stupid.
Call me the reason why america is sinking ever further into the **** hole we've been sinking into for years.
I won't care.
I don't have the attention span for politics.
If they want me to waste my time to go someplace and put a check mark by somebodies name then they need to show me a good god damn reason why. Otherwise the only thing i'm voting for is who has the bigger dick.

Oh, and for the whole smoking thing...if it were up to me, i'd ban it all outright. It's the most disgusting and vile thing i could ever watch somebody do. The smell alone makes me gag and want to vomit. Seriously, i'd be more comfortable watching somebody get disemboweled then i would watching somebody light up. But since i don't expect people to stop just for my sake i don't bother saying anything to anybody about it.

I'll be absolutely thrilled when the damn elections are over. I'm about sick of those ****ers calling my house and leaving me stupid messages to vote for one idiot or another and giving me not one good reason why i should. And i'm about sick of seeing all those damn signs filling up everybodies lawns. What's the point of those? So we know who your voting for? Or do people actually expect me make up my mind on who to vote for because i read a sign on somebodies lawn?

[Excelcier]

I actually agree with Pyro 100%....

[soldier989]

Its peoples rights. Its worked for hundreds of years, and now someone wants to bump the system. Yes, I agree smoking is disgusting. But I also disagree that the right being taken away from me for instance. This issue 5 will make it illegal to smoke anywhere but in your car or house. God forbid its a nice day and I want to step on my porch and smoke, I could get a ticket. Yes, it is to that extent. I do smoke, I plan on quitting. But even then I would still allow people to have the right to walk down a street and smoke a cigarette.

Its amazing to see how many people really just hand over our rights as Americans. I cant change anyones minds, but hope that common sense shows that this country is becoming less free daily.

[B3NN3TT]

Yes, I agree smoking is disgusting. But I also disagree that the right being taken away from me for instance.


But they aren't telling you you CANNOT smoke; they are just telling you to keep it out of my face. Which I am ALL FOR.

[Pyro81]

Like i said. I don't expect people to change for my sake. And that also means i don't expect the government to step in and make my life better. I grin and bear it and hold my breath and just hope to god that the people that i hang with have some decency to try and blow away from me when it's possible (meaning indoors, it's kinda hard to do outdoors).

[Pyro81]

I can see this thread turning into a smoking debate already...:rolleyes:

[Frosty]

But they aren't telling you you CANNOT smoke; they are just telling you to keep it out of my face. Which I am ALL FOR.

Agreed.

Also, many people disregard the effects of "second hand smoke".

[B3NN3TT]

Agreed.

Also, many people disregard the effects of "second hand smoke".

It's similar to telling people they can't, oh... get naked and have sex in a crowded restaurant. We don't wanna see that! Get a room!

[soldier989]

But they aren't telling you you CANNOT smoke; they are just telling you to keep it out of my face. Which I am ALL FOR.

Read more into it, they want to ban it publicly. Kind of like prohibition in the early 20th century, you would have to smoke privately only. Whatever, I try to be a decent person about it and not exploit it in peoples faces. We will see what happens, seems like im 1 against 5.

[Tygerr]

Remember one thing....to each their own. I disagree with the ban, as 70% of people in bars smoke and drink. You walk into a bar, you should expect it. You walk into McDonalds you should expect clean air.

Freedoms are getting stripped away from Americans daily, this being one of them. If you ask me, the terrorists are winning, they dont like how we have all our freedoms.

You're going a little far with the terrorists/freedom example, but I see where you are coming from. For the sake of argument, is the 70% a made up number or a fact? Also, who says I should expect (or even have to deal with) walking into a cloud of smoke when I want a drink but not a burger? That's b.s. in my opinion. You can always just walk outside! I think I shouldn't have to put up with it. I feel it should be more a common courtesy if anything.

Read this (http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/oh/state/issue/5/) There are plenty of places exempt from the ban such as outdoor patios, private clubs, retail tobacco stores, selected smoking sections, etc... You can still smoke, just not in my face.

[soldier989]

You're going a little far with the terrorists/freedom example, but I see where you are coming from. For the sake of argument, is the 70% a made up number or a fact? Also, who says I should expect (or even have to deal with) walking into a cloud of smoke when I want a drink but not a burger? That's b.s. in my opinion. You can always just walk outside! I think I shouldn't have to put up with it. I feel it should be more a common courtesy if anything.

Read this (http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/oh/state/issue/5/) There are plenty of places exempt from the ban such as outdoor patios, private clubs, retail tobacco stores, selected smoking sections, etc... You can still smoke, just not in my face.

Issue 4 gives the right to bars to allow smoking, it DOESNT mean they HAVE to allow smoking. Its the business owners choice to decide on what kind of clientel they want to appear to their business. With current bans in effect, they have NO choice.

http://unr.edu/homepage/shubinsk/whosmok1.html

A study shown for how many alcoholics smoke. A social bar wouldnt consist of as many alcoholics, hence why I agree it should be non smoking. They show 90% of bar goer's smoke, so why they should bend over backwards in a place that has stereo-typically been known to be an unhealthy atmosphere is beyond me. Im 20, I dont go to bars. But I THINK it should be up to the property owner and its always the consumers choice of where to go.

It is a common courtesy that one does not blow that funk in your face, and Im sorry if I ever certainly have, I try to avoid that at all causes. Just remember that when the people who start their cars without any emissions (even with emissions), they are letting out more funk in more of a mass quantity than any smoker would in a day.

Im just against the fact that a person who opens a business cant have control over whether or not someone can smoke in there or not. Personally, I dont care, I dont mind stepping outside. But no one is pushing you into that cloud either, you know what you would be walking into as it would be posted all over the front door.

[silverkat]

Soldier989 I'm agreeing with alot of your views. Issue 4 is for banning smoking everywhere except bars, bingo halls, etc. Issue 5 bans it EVERYWHERE. If 5 passes and you get caught smoking, you get major fines. And it's not the point of smoking - it's the point of people (the government) telling you what you can do, how you can do it, and where. People need to look at the bigger picture.
Just because YOU don't like the smoking doesn't mean a bar owner should throw his business away and it should be his choice regardless.
There are a ton of people who are juck d!cks and totally rude. There are a few courteous smokers too. If I'm around people who don't, which is usually the case, I go away from them. I brush my teeth before I make out with someone. My car doesn't smell like @sshole.

[B3NN3TT]

When I first stepped into the Newport Music Hall to see a concert, and it wasn't a smoke filled HOLE - I could not have been happier. My life has been a nicer one since Columbus instituted the smoking ban.

Common courtesy or not, those small spaces fill up with smoke FAST. And when I can't stay inside a club for more than 30 minutes because my eyes are red and watery, and I get home and my clothes stink, and even the inside of my car stinks from my smelly clothes, THAT'S A PROBLEM. There are some choices you can't just leave up to "common courtesy"; laws are there for that very reason. And this "throwing his business away" thing - that doesn't apply if it's in effect everywhere. It's not like they can go somewhere else and smoke.

[Tygerr]

We need government regulation, to a point. I don't see the problem with the government telling people they can't smoke where they'll be harming others health just for their own personal benefit of taking a drag. That's putting smoker's personal joy in front of non-smoker's joy with a tag along of second hand smoke. I like a lot of things that I can't say/do in public and they shouldn't be done in public, and I'll leave it at that (that's not dirty). The issue was brought up there by the people in the first place, no? Why would it be there if people hadn't fought for the law to be elected on? Either way, it's a majority vote so if there are enough people who really care enough to vote on it, then they'll get their way. Even though I feel non-smokers have the short end of the stick on this one if Issue 4 does really trump Issue 5.

[Bexcat]

Majority rule, smoking=minority, sucks to be a smoker.

[nadthomas]

I can see both sides of this argument because there are occasions were I like to enjoy a cigar, but most of the time I would prefer not to be around it. Going to a strip club and getting drunk with your friends for a bachelor party is just not that same if you can't enjoy a cigar while a chick is rubbing her boobs in your face. :grin:

Brett you are getting a little out of hand with the whole government is restricting my freedom thing. I'm pretty sure that the "issue" were created by the people, and now it is being voted on by the people. In the end the majority roles, and that is exactly how the system is designed to work.

[soldier989]

I can see both sides of this argument because there are occasions were I like to enjoy a cigar, but most of the time I would prefer not to be around it. Going to a strip club and getting drunk with your friends for a bachelor party is just not that same if you can't enjoy a cigar while a chick is rubbing her boobs in your face. :grin:

Brett you are getting a little out of hand with the whole government is restricting my freedom thing. I'm pretty sure that the "issue" were created by the people, and now it is being voted on by the people. In the end the majority roles, and that is exactly how the system is designed to work.

Your right, the people voted on it and created it. A little out of hand? Maybe, but I dont like people telling me I cant smoke. Its like me telling you guys not to start your cars, start a fire, grill with charcoal, or even FART (methane). When you grow accustomed to a lifestyle and your forced to change it, it hits you like a rock. When you are being pushed into a corner, thats when you get the most ravaged. Its obvious, im in the corner on this one.

I appreciate all the flaming I've recieved defending myself from all of you.

[Tygerr]

I wasn't flaming. It's a good political argument. This is the only thing I care enough about voting for this election. We all have opinions, no one's really "right". I just think some of your examples are a bit exagerated. Most laws are put in place for a reason to protect people, for example, speed limits (also very debatable). You can't speed, you can't shoplift, you can't murder, you can't do a lot of stuff, but I don't feel backed in a corner because of it. I feel safer, though it's obviously not perfect. In a way we're all sheep, that sounds very far off and off the wall, but it's true to a point.

[Pyro81]

But no one is pushing you into that cloud either, you know what you would be walking into as it would be posted all over the front door.

Work where i work and then tell me that. Every ****ing day i have to walk through a cloud of that **** just to enter or leave the building. And every single time i have to try and hold my breath to avoid choking. Since the company banned smoking inside the building they built a "smoke hut" right outside the front door. But people instead hang around the front door. It's annoying as hell.

[soldier989]

Hah, and gas prices go back to around $2.40 a gallon, predictable. With minimum wage going up, I can see a lot of other things going up in price also. But I wont see a raise.