Mondeo Drivetrain ?

[SlowCat]

So I've tried searching a little & looking around but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

The 2004 and later Mondeo ST220's Have a 6spd stick, but still have a 3.0L Duratec Correct ? Does anyone know where I could find out more about them ?

Also Does anyone know much about the Mondeo Si 4x4 or Ghia 4x4 ? I know they were not used with Duratec's and are somewhat rare.

Just curious if anyone knew much about either ... Thanks

[azbobbybooshay10]

The 04+ Mondeo's have absolutly NOTHING in common with our cars, really. Totally different platform. Not sure on what engine/trans they use, but I HIGHLY doubt it can be installed in a Cougar, if thats what you're wondering.

[SlowCat]

The 04+ Mondeo's have absolutly NOTHING in common with our cars, really. Totally different platform. Not sure on what engine/trans they use, but I HIGHLY doubt it can be installed in a Cougar, if thats what you're wondering.


It uses a 3.0 Duratec ST and MMT6 6-speed transmission. So it should have the same bolt pattern should it not ? I know it takes much more than that to be able to swap them, but at least it's a start. I would just like to know more about it before I say it can't be done.

Also according to what I've read it was a revamp of the platform with about 1500 new parts including styling and not an entirely new platform. I maybe wrong but so far I've read that in several places... though a press release from ford to say what they did would be nice to find. But they do retain the same overall length, width and wheelbase IIRC.

[1COUGAR99]

So I'm guessing you want a 6 speed?

Terry Haines was importing them/modifying them to work on the CDW-27. I don't know if he still does though, you would have to get a hold of him.

I don't remember the price but I do remember it being quite expensive.

[SlowCat]

Sorry, I was wrong, the 04+ Mondeo's wheelbase was stretched 50mm. But they do retain the same overall lentgh and width.... But the track width has also changed.... front is up by 19mm. According to ford the suspension was redesigned for the larger track width but was based on the same architecture and few parts actually changed.

[SlowCat]

So I'm guessing you want a 6 speed?

Terry Haines was importing them/modifying them to work on the CDW-27. I don't know if he still does though, you would have to get a hold of him.

I don't remember the price but I do remember it being quite expensive.

I would like that, but mostly I am just curious and want to know how much it would really take.... a lot of people say things can't be done just because they haven't, they have no proof besides the fact that no one has tried. They can't say why no one has tried or even how hard anyone has looked into it, they just assume it won't work.... sorry about the rant.

Honestly I would like a 400hp 3.0L 6spd AWD Cougar ... I know the 400hp 3.0L can be done. I know there is a 6spd that will bolt to a duratec. I know there is a full drive train for the mondeo that is AWD, though I can't remember the years, and do not know how it is set up.

[CougarGuy939]

i was also interested in the same thing when i first bought my cougar, very interested to see you pursue this but i would definately call up terry haines at Haines motorsports and ask him he is the tranny guru for our cars

[SlowCat]

I haven't been able to find an email address for him. I'd prefer not to call & waste his time since I don't have the cash to actually try anything... but we'll see ....I'm still trying to find more info on the 6spd and the AWD mondeo...

[CougarGuy939]

http://www.hainesmotorsports.net/

[SlowCat]

I've tried the email me link on it.... but it doesn't fill in the email address. I also tried the feedback thing and when I hit submit it says there was an error. The last modified date on the home page of that site is 9/4/02.

[B3NN3TT]

Terry can be easily reached through the forums at www.fordcontour.org

[SlowCat]

Terry can be easily reached through the forums at www.fordcontour.org

Thank you ... that was a great help ...

"...we have done a package study and,with mods,it fits.The cost of the trans is high due to import/exchange rate/weak dollar....makes it an expensive conversion..."

http://www.fordcontour.org/index.php?showtopic=4554&hl=6+speed

[CougarGuy939]

i guess the question is how expensive is expensive?

[scrupul0us]

id love to see this come to fruition

[Blackcoog]

Why do you want a 6 speed anyway? It would only be for the wow factor. Seems like a huge waste of money. Shipping something overseas is going to cost more than the parts.

Look at the AWD cars here that will work like the Jaguar X-type and Ford 500 for the AWD stuff and forget about the 6 speed.

[nadthomas]

Sometimes I wish I had a sixth gear with my short gearing. Rolling on the highway at 4kRPM gets old sometimes.

[Blackcoog]

4k on the highway is like 80mph+

If you want better gearing have the focus gearing installed like some of the other people have done. It drops your 5th gear rpms by about 1k and save you gas milage.

[nadthomas]

4k on the highway is like 80mph+

If you want better gearing have the focus gearing installed like some of the other people have done. It drops your 5th gear rpms by about 1k and save you gas milage.

Not for me, its more like 70mph @ 4k, I have the 4.5 final drive, which I love around town, but sometimes on the highway a 6th gear would be nice just so I wouldn't have to hear my exhaust so much, and so I didn't feel like I'm beating the crap out of my engine just cruising on the highway. Gas milage is fine.

[CougarGuy939]

i could care less about the 6th gear much more interested in awd

[SlowCat]

I would like having another gear for 2 reasons.... better overall gearing and for the freeway. I'm used to cars that run 1.5k going 65-70 not 3k .... And if the prices are withing a few thousand of each other I would pick AWD anyday. I just need to find out the total cost (rough estimate) of an AWD conversion & how much time my car would be in the shop. I'll also have to get the money .... but I don't think it'll be worth it without a strong engine to back it.

[FastCougar]

I would like having another gear for 2 reasons.... better overall gearing and for the freeway. I'm used to cars that run 1.5k going 65-70 not 3k .... And if the prices are withing a few thousand of each other I would pick AWD anyday. I just need to find out the total cost (rough estimate) of an AWD conversion & how much time my car would be in the shop. I'll also have to get the money .... but I don't think it'll be worth it without a strong engine to back it.First you need to find a shop compotent enought to do the work ... good luck!

Also, I don't know of a single car that does 1,500 RPM at 65-70MPH ... My Corolla in 5th gear does 2,250-2,500RPM at those speeds. However, I still manage 39-40MPG :tongue:

[SlowCat]

First you need to find a shop compotent enought to do the work ... good luck!

Also, I don't know of a single car that does 1,500 RPM at 65-70MPH ... My Corolla in 5th gear does 2,250-2,500RPM at those speeds. However, I still manage 39-40MPG :tongue:

I can thing of 1 shop I would trust it to.... but I'd be happy to take a week off & drive my car just about anywhere for it.

I can think of a few that run between 1500 & 2000 @ 65mph.... RX-8, Corvette, GTO, A 6 spd Camaro Z28 runs 65 at just under 1500 ... It's true most cars run closer to 2500, but that doesn't mean all do.

Considering the cougars lack of low end torque it makes sence for it to run so high.... and like I said, I will pick AWD over a 6spd anyday ..... but we'll see if it's within my budget for the car.

My old grand prix managed about 30 mgp on the freeway, I have a friend with a Chevy Sprint Turbo that gets nearly 50mpg on the freeway.

[FastCougar]

Duh ... I wasn't thinking about the 6 speeds and thus the reason for that post in this thread ... brain fart :banghead:

[SlowCat]

Duh ... I wasn't thinking about the 6 speeds and thus the reason for that post in this thread ... brain fart :banghead:

lol, don't those suck ... I emailed Terry Haines about it since I read that he has done one such AWD conversion, though not sure what the car was... hopefully he'll get back to me within the week. :evil: 300hp AWD Cougar :evil: ha ha .... but we'll see.

[mosoblkcougar]

SlowCat, I hope you have some DEEP pockets, cause an AWD conversion is gonna cost a buttload. I assume that even the 6-Speed conversion is gonna be hella expensive. Make sure and post up the prices for both of those conversions when you find out, cause I'm interested in how expensive "expensive" really is. lol

[SlowCat]

Will do

[rbls4ever]

the mondeo suspension looks very similar to that of ours except it has cast suspension components instead of flimsy stamped metal. ive been looking at the underside of a mondeo, and wondering how to stuff that into my car. the first thought is a plasma and a welder........

[SlowCat]

Well I heard back today .... 10 - 12 thousand, in labor alone, He said it made a much better DIY project.... Parts could run upwards of 4 - 6 grand depending on a lot of things.... I've got a few more questions for him about it, since I may be able to get a totalled X-type or reman parts for fairly cheap... Also I could do some work myself but I don't have the tools or the know how to create custom mounts & do the rear suspension work .... we'll see what I can work out though....

[SlowCat]

the mondeo suspension looks very similar to that of ours except it has cast suspension components instead of flimsy stamped metal. ive been looking at the underside of a mondeo, and wondering how to stuff that into my car. the first thought is a plasma and a welder........

The newer mondeo (04+) suspension is designed around a wider tranny .... but the older parts should just about all bolt right up since the cars are the same platform.

[1COUGAR99]

If you want to look into the AWD aspect. Stop looking at the X-type. The shocks are mounted at an angle and will take a lot more fabrication to make work. Go with something that already has a vertical strut...Escape, 500. Take a look at the rears on these cars and see what would be the best starting point suspension wise.

Another idea is that you might want to use a CD4E since the center diff is readily available off of an escape. Or you could adapt the center diff to an MTX-75. The rest would be fabricating a gas tank, driveshaft, exhaust, front subframe, half-shafts... etc.

I will say that it is do-able, however your car will likely be down for several months at least. You'll also want to do the motor work as well since just going to AWD will cause a lot more drivetrain loss.

Anything can be done for the right amount of $$.

[SlowCat]

The escape seems like a bad idea considering the suspension & AWD system aren't made for fun to drive... they are made for an SUV, meaning softer suspension, and higher ground clearance among other things. And as for the 500 finding parts for it seems like it would be more expesive & much more problematic considering how new it is.

[99ADCCOUGAR]

iss it possible to get the 3.8 final drive into that six speed. because then you would have a bit more fun wih a strong motor...wait. is this 6spd able to go fwd instead of awd.. because then i would get that for highway running

[FastCougar]

As with any AWD system, all you have to do is disconnect the driveshaft feeding the rear wheels ... done. Someone has some illustrations of the JAG's X-Type drive system showing the AWD system ... trans picture looks damn near like an MTX-75 from what I remember.

[99ADCCOUGAR]

so theoretically........i could get that 6spd slap in the 3.8 final drive from azetec coug. and have an amazing highway tranny. that when paired with a nicely built 3L/SVT Hybrid, could get some higher top end than 157?

[nadthomas]

so theoretically........i could get that 6spd slap in the 3.8 final drive from azetec coug. and have an amazing highway tranny. that when paired with a nicely built 3L/SVT Hybrid, could get some higher top end than 157?

You have fun with getting the cougar over 160mph on the highway. Oh, and please make sure you kill yourself, and only yourself on your first try. Thanks.

[SlowCat]

Yes, Terry Haines has done some work with the 6 spd, he wouldbethe one to ask about the 3.8 final drive gear .... the AWD system and the 6 spd are different though.The 6 spd would be much cheaper also

[99ADCCOUGAR]

yeah im thinking that 6spd might be enough. what is the possible top end on those mtx's with an extra gear? i imagine a little higher lol

[fordrule]

goto canada and find a mondeo awd and do the swap?

[Blackcoog]

You could still use most of the X-type parts in the front end. Get the transmission from them and transfer case and then you need to find a rear end that will work. You would probably be able to use the jags rear diff and axles but you would probably need the hubs from the jag also. Here is an auto from an X-type on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jaguar-X-type-x-type-3-0-automatic-transmission-awd-oem_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQihZ013QQitem Z230029118261QQrdZ1

[CougarGuy939]

not to take anything away from that blackcoog but if we are really gonna do this i think we want a stick

[FastCougar]

I have some HIGH Res images of the Jag X-Type AWD system at home ... this includes the front & rear sub-frames ... they are all 3D illustrations from the engineering group at Jag. Gotta love Ford's Media Site!!!

I will download them again here at work and resize them and post them up ;)

[99ADCCOUGAR]

not to take anything away from that blackcoog but if we are really gonna do this i think we want a stick
+1

[BigBalledOX]

so theoretically........i could get that 6spd slap in the 3.8 final drive from azetec coug. and have an amazing highway tranny. that when paired with a nicely built 3L/SVT Hybrid, could get some higher top end than 157?

Yeah, I'm sure you really need to go faster then 157. :rolleyes: Excuse me while I go get my shovel.

[99ADCCOUGAR]

Yeah, I'm sure you really need to go faster then 157. :rolleyes: Excuse me while I go get my shovel.
:disgust: first word from my post. THEORETICALLY. i just wanna know because then i could have the option of having a little bit more top end speed to keep goin with some of the guys i hang around with like the stock 350z's and stock wrx's. i hit my 151 and stopped they keep goin. if i had an extrat gear and a lower FD. i wont stop so short. DUH. plus it would help on the highway as far as noise goes. bcuz my borla is starting to get annoying as al hell

[Blackcoog]

Here are two good ones.

[Blackcoog]

Or here are some actual pictures from a salvage yard. :)

[FastCougar]

http://newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26355&stc=1&d=1158339710

http://newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26356&stc=1&d=1158339710

http://newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26359&stc=1&d=1158339710

http://newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26360&stc=1&d=1158339710

http://newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26357&stc=1&d=1158339710

http://newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26361&stc=1&d=1158339710

http://newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26358&stc=1&d=1158339710

[1COUGAR99]

The escape seems like a bad idea considering the suspension & AWD system aren't made for fun to drive... they are made for an SUV, meaning softer suspension, and higher ground clearance among other things. And as for the 500 finding parts for it seems like it would be more expesive & much more problematic considering how new it is.

Don't think of it like that. There is no heavy duty gearing going on in the Escape. It is essentially a car based AWD system. The gearing is matched to that of a CD4E (a "car" atx). As far as suspension...I said the Escape because it would be a good starting point....the struts are mounted vertically. Being a multi-link setup at the rear getting a spring with a higher rate will be easy. The ground clearance issue is just a matter of shortening up some components and put the correct aspect ratio tire on.

The 500 also has vertical struts hence why I said it. I'm looking at it from a fabrication standpoint. What would be the easiest to work with. Starting with some components in the right position is always good. :shrug:. The Jag setup is also computer controlled and a 40:60 split F/R. All a matter of money.

See if you can get the tech drawing's of the Escape. Just for fun see if you can get some of the 500 as well.

[IH8CIVX]

I would like that, but mostly I am just curious and want to know how much it would really take.... a lot of people say things can't be done just because they haven't, they have no proof besides the fact that no one has tried. They can't say why no one has tried or even how hard anyone has looked into it, they just assume it won't work.... sorry about the rant.

Honestly I would like a 400hp 3.0L 6spd AWD Cougar ... I know the 400hp 3.0L can be done. I know there is a 6spd that will bolt to a duratec. I know there is a full drive train for the mondeo that is AWD, though I can't remember the years, and do not know how it is set up.

anything can be done when money is sitting on a table... I bet someone could make the sky green with enough money at hand...

[fordrule]

could u cut the rear floor of the cougar and replace with the fllor of the jag, with all the mounting points and use the jag rear subframe and componets

[SlowCat]

Don't think of it like that. There is no heavy duty gearing going on in the Escape. It is essentially a car based AWD system. The gearing is matched to that of a CD4E (a "car" atx). As far as suspension...I said the Escape because it would be a good starting point....the struts are mounted vertically. Being a multi-link setup at the rear getting a spring with a higher rate will be easy. The ground clearance issue is just a matter of shortening up some components and put the correct aspect ratio tire on.

The 500 also has vertical struts hence why I said it. I'm looking at it from a fabrication standpoint. What would be the easiest to work with. Starting with some components in the right position is always good. :shrug:. The Jag setup is also computer controlled and a 40:60 split F/R. All a matter of money.

See if you can get the tech drawing's of the Escape. Just for fun see if you can get some of the 500 as well.


What is the point of starting with something you would have to replace half the suspension parts on? I'm looking at it from a total project point of veiw, not just ease of install, but cost & availability of parts. :shrug: The rear ratio on the escape is only 2.93, so it would make a decent choice, but I'm worried about how it would handle & ride, even with replacing shocks & struts.

I thought the jag used a viscously coupled diff attatched to the tranny to send power to the rear ? 40/60 is a decent split

[SlowCat]

could u cut the rear floor of the cougar and replace with the fllor of the jag, with all the mounting points and use the jag rear subframe and componets


That is what I was thinking with a totalled jag, cut out floor sections, weld & brace them into the cougar to retain all the correct mounting positions.

[1COUGAR99]

What is the point of starting with something you would have to replace half the suspension parts on? I'm looking at it from a total project point of veiw, not just ease of install, but cost & availability of parts. :shrug: The rear ratio on the escape is only 2.93, so it would make a decent choice, but I'm worried about how it would handle & ride, even with replacing shocks & struts.

I thought the jag used a viscously coupled diff attatched to the tranny to send power to the rear ? 40/60 is a decent split

You would have to do even more fabrication/replacing with the jag rear. As far as cost...as soon as a premium brand is mentioned the price of parts increases. The Escape has been out since 01', parts should be everywhere. A multi link suspension gives you more choice as far as suspension tuning goes. You could make it ride like stock, or suit it to your needs. There were rumors that the Escape platform was derived from the CDW-27, I never could get the real truth behind that though.

Your right the Jag is Viscous, I thought it was electronically controlled...my mistake. You could always start borrowing parts from different cars. Center diff from a Jag, front subframe from a jag, rear subframe from an Escape. There are a lot of variables and it will ultimately depend on how much money is on the table.

[SlowCat]

You would have to do even more fabrication/replacing with the jag rear. As far as cost...as soon as a premium brand is mentioned the price of parts increases. The Escape has been out since 01', parts should be everywhere. A multi link suspension gives you more choice as far as suspension tuning goes. You could make it ride like stock, or suit it to your needs. There were rumors that the Escape platform was derived from the CDW-27, I never could get the real truth behind that though.

Your right the Jag is Viscous, I thought it was electronically controlled...my mistake. You could always start borrowing parts from different cars. Center diff from a Jag, front subframe from a jag, rear subframe from an Escape. There are a lot of variables and it will ultimately depend on how much money is on the table.


The problem with setting it up is that I don't know enough about suspensions to mix & match to get the out come I want. I'm not sure how the gearing would work out with a jag diff up front, something to check into.

I'm sure an escpe rear would be less than a jag .... I'll have to search a few junk yards to get some measurments and see how much of this I can actually take on myself. and how much I can get all the parts together for... I should probly work out a real parts list rather than hoping I remember everything... ha ha

[FastCougar]

Here are some pictures of the Escape suspension ... sorry, not as many or stripped of the entire car/truck like the Jag pictures, but enough to give you an idea. I had a chance about 2 years ago to get the "transfer case" that bolts to the CD4E ... wish I had :banghead:

http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26376&stc=1&d=1158443918

http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26377&stc=1&d=1158443918

http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26378&stc=1&d=1158443918

http://www.newcougar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26379&stc=1&d=1158443918

[SlowCat]

Track Width : Front / Rear

Cougar : 59.3 / 58.7

X-Type : 59.9 / 60.5

Escape : 61.1 / 60.4

I don't think wheel offset & fender flares will cover the 2 inches in the rear, so It'll be off to a shop for some custom modification ... I know this is the wrong place to ask, but would just using shorter control arms and getting custom half shafts for the rear work ? Doesn't seem like it will with thr jag, but the escape it could work right ?

[FastCougar]

I have been researching metal fabrication for the last year in preperation for what I have in store for the Cougar ... swapping the engine/trans into a rear-mid engine/RWD setup. From a fabrication standpoint AND cost consideration, I think that the Escape driveline would be prefered with a Jag transaxle/transfer case. I'm unsure if the CD4E transfer case would mate up the MTX-75. The shiftcable engagement to the trans is very similar between the Jag & Cougar/Contour, so retrofitting shouldn't be that difficult ... might just be easier to use the Jag's shifter tower/mechanism and retrofit that to the Cougar/Contour.

[1COUGAR99]

Thanks for getting those pics Trevor. The transfer case/center diff will bolt right up to the CD4E. With our subframes though it hits the rear crossmember. From what I remember you would need an adapter plate to mate it to an MTX-75. You would also have to lengthen the input shaft.

With the way the Escape rear suspension is. Putting cougar sized aspect ratio tires on it would make it lower. Changing the spring and possibly the shock will give you the rest. Shortening the control arm's would enable you to reduce the wheelbase. However you could forego that if you got a wheel with even a 1/2" offset and then a 1.2" fender flare. There are a lot of things you can play around with when you start doing custom work. A wider track in the rear wouldn't hurt things.

[Colleptic]

Ok, somebody do this...so I can see if my line of credit will be enough. :goofy:

I was seriously thinking about RWDin my coug, but this thread is peaking my interest!

[SlowCat]

Ok, somebody do this...so I can see if my line of credit will be enough. :goofy:

I was seriously thinking about RWDin my coug, but this thread is peaking my interest!

well 15 thousand could get it done .... just find a shop you trust it to .... or if you can handle it yourself, an entire totaled jag x-type is 2-3 grand ..... an escape could be had for the same price I would guess.

[SlowCat]

Does anyone know what transmission is used in the x-type manual ? Or whether the transfer case it uses can bolt to a MTX-75 w/o modification ?

After looking at the car some more & the pictures I have to say using the escape rear would be much easier. I guess I need to learn some more about setting up a good suspension before I start in on this though.

[1COUGAR99]

Does anyone know what transmission is used in the x-type manual ? Or whether the transfer case it uses can bolt to a MTX-75 w/o modification ?

After looking at the car some more & the pictures I have to say using the escape rear would be much easier. I guess I need to learn some more about setting up a good suspension before I start in on this though.

The X-type uses an MTX-75. I have never looked at an x-type transfer case but it should bolt up.

The suspension settings will be based on what you want in the final product. Softer, more firm. Progressive, linear. Multi link setups are sort of "universal" in a sense. I would get the rear into the car and see how it sits first before going any further. Who knows maybe it will sit fine.

[Blackcoog]

I don't think you can use your current transmission. The X-type must have a different differential or gearing. The transfercase hooks up to the passenger side of the transmission and then sends the power to the back wheels. The transmission must send more power to the passenger side so the power is distributed correctly.

[1COUGAR99]

It works the same as most other transverse engined AWD vehicles. Essentially you have a 3WD vehicle. With an open diff in the front it's not going to send the power equally. Putting an LSD in the trans will take care of that, though.

Works the same as 2WD. If your using an open diff you really only have 1WD.

[99ADCCOUGAR]

so you would end up with a even torque distribution on the side and a 40/60 split front to rear?

[1COUGAR99]

Only an LSD in the front would evenly distibute the tq, to the front wheels. You would get the 40:60 split either way.

[99ADCCOUGAR]

what about torque split in the rear?

[1COUGAR99]

The Rear Diff is also open.

[FastCougar]

Front/Rear torque split/bias is based on the design/actuation of the "center" diff ... in this case, the unit that attaches to the front diff ... wouldn't it?

[1COUGAR99]

Yes.

99ADCCOUGAR was talking about the side to side.

[Blackcoog]

I have a lead on all the parts needed from an X type for a good price. I may pick them up and try it on one of my next Contours over this winter.

Parts I'll be picking up from an 02 X-type with 20k miles:

Front subframe
Front axles
5-speed transmission
Driveshaft
rear end
rear axles

I'll have to find the transfercase somewhere else. I'd also assume I'll need to determine if I need to get all the hubs but this place doesn't have those parts anyway. It's possible the front axles will press right into the Cougar/Contour axles like normal. I'm betting they will actually. The rear will need some work. I'll look at how the rear is setup on the Escape and 500 and go from there. I'm sure a lot of custom brackets and braces will be needed.

[fordrule]

sweetness

[shadowfox28]

great information in this thread. I bet If someone actually goes through with this and makes a parts list, and can get a fabricator to make all the custom brackets.... There is potential to build a kit and sell it for the cougar/contour platform. GReat STuff!!

[SlowCat]

I have a lead on all the parts needed from an X type for a good price. I may pick them up and try it on one of my next Contours over this winter.

Parts I'll be picking up from an 02 X-type with 20k miles:

Front subframe
Front axles
5-speed transmission
Driveshaft
rear end
rear axles

I'll have to find the transfercase somewhere else. I'd also assume I'll need to determine if I need to get all the hubs but this place doesn't have those parts anyway. It's possible the front axles will press right into the Cougar/Contour axles like normal. I'm betting they will actually. The rear will need some work. I'll look at how the rear is setup on the Escape and 500 and go from there. I'm sure a lot of custom brackets and braces will be needed.


How much did you pick up all the parts for, I'm glad someone is finally trying this ... I would love to but I don't have the know how or tools to do it all on my own, and I can't have my car down for a few months workinbg out all the kinks.

[fordrule]

he might also want to get the front section of the car and the rear floor panels of the jag

[Blackcoog]

It looks like our subframes will work from what I can see comparing to two. The driveshaftwill go through the exhaust tunnel just fine. The gas tank will have to be a race tank in the trunk or something different like the jaguar tank. I don't have much time to work on it right now so the parts will have to sit for a while.

Chris

[1COUGAR99]

Hopefully the center diff doesn't hit the subframe.

[Blackcoog]

The transfercase looks like it should clear. I'll get measurements soon to make sure. Our current subframe is almost indentical in that area though so it should clear. The only major differences in subframes are the A-arm connections which are much different. I wonder if the Jag's A-arm would bolt right up to our hubs...

[99ADCCOUGAR]

is there a way to setup up a mechanical disengagement sytem for the awd. kinda like a lever so that you can launch in AWD mode all the way through the top of second and then disconnect the shaft goin to the rear so you tranfer your power down to two wheels? or is that not newtonian physically possible?

[shadowfox28]

is there a way to setup up a mechanical disengagement sytem for the awd. kinda like a lever so that you can launch in AWD mode all the way through the top of second and then disconnect the shaft goin to the rear so you tranfer your power down to two wheels? or is that not newtonian physically possible?
A transfer case, with A limter than disengages above a certain rpm... I dont think any vehicles currently use this system.

[SlowCat]

is there a way to setup up a mechanical disengagement sytem for the awd. kinda like a lever so that you can launch in AWD mode all the way through the top of second and then disconnect the shaft goin to the rear so you tranfer your power down to two wheels? or is that not newtonian physically possible?

The jag diff is viscously coupled, so there is no way to disengage it like that. Lots of 4wd trucks have that type of diff though so you can run 2 or 4 wheels. But most of them are electronic now.

[fordrule]

i am sure u can't set up the awd system like sti's and r32 setup, where it is adjustable electronically. or can u?

[99ADCCOUGAR]

that would be fantasmic tho. especially for drag racing. get the sick launch then pull a lever so you dont suffer from drivetrain loss. lol

[99ADCCOUGAR]

so have we figured out a price yet for these 6spds to get shipped over here?

[Clutch]

Seems like a better idea to go with a mustang or other cheaper/more available rear end and bolt it to an awd transfer case with a custom driveshaft. It isn't much to get a driveshaft cut to length and balanced.

[SlowCat]

so have we figured out a price yet for these 6spds to get shipped over here?


I checked with Terry Haines but he never got back to me on current prices... you could give him a call though to try and find out.

[SlowCat]

Seems like a better idea to go with a mustang or other cheaper/more available rear end and bolt it to an awd transfer case with a custom driveshaft. It isn't much to get a driveshaft cut to length and balanced.

you could do that, but you would still have all the same problems with getting the rear end into the car. Plus you have to worry about track width of the rear and you can buy an insurance claimed jag for 3-4 thousand. It doen't seem like you would save much since you need the entire rear end, suspension, and everything.

Though gutting a cougar and transplanting an entire mustang drivetrain would be kind of fun :evil:

[1COUGAR99]

The only mustang rear you should even consider is the Cobra IRS.