Interest in Supercharger setup

[Blackcoog]

After working with this TK supercharger I have a lot of ideas and improvements for the system so I was thinking about putting together my own kit or offering upgrades. I came up with a few ideas for a better bracket made out of better materials, incorporating a tensioner and maybe a few custom pulleys for different boost levels. Coolant tank and piping options might be a possibility. Then if possible the compressor could be picked up from Mr. Knight or if I can figure out how to make them I'll include them. The powerdyne unit on that other Cougar might also be a good option. There might not be much interest so I figured I'd post it up and ask. I understand the TK kit is a prototype kit and needs work but it just hasn't been up to par as you may have noticed. Let me know what you think. I don't have any ideas on pricing yet but I can work on it.

[jrak123]

I'll give you 27.34 for a kit :cover:

[streetfamemlf]

Well it is def. is a good idea for people that want to buy the kit from mr. knight, from experience it would have been nice for everything to be included in the kit. BTW Blackcoog can you give me the dimensions for that tank i wanna see if i can get one made completely from stratch instead of buying the WR tank. Also I think if you offer this alot more s/c kits will be sold since everything will be bolt up and go.

[nadthomas]

A true bolt on kit, that is even better quality, sign me up. Of course it depends on price. I have been seriously considering some F/I, but I would not be in any condition to drop that kind of cash until the spring. I'm about tapped out for this year.

[GrandMasterKhan]

Sounds like a plan. Every since the beginning of the TK kit and his "I know my product works" mentalitly :rolleyes: i have been like Uhhhhh.

I wouldnt mind a well put together kit since I am looking for FI soon. I'll support any ideas you may have.

[edean37]

id also be intrested in a direct bolt on kit....i have to make this atx 3L a little faster.....ill help in any way that i can ....

heck you can even send me the first prototype kit for free and ill try it out for ya lol

[wadespencer99]

So we'd buy the TK kit, plus an upgrade kit from you? Or you want to basically become a dealer for the TK kit, and add your own stuff?

I'd be interested in seeing a price and comparing it with the pros/cons/price of doing a turbo. I'm not interested at this minute, but I'm sure my Cougar will be boosted at some point...I just don't know which route I will want to go.

[Blackcoog]

I'm meeting with a engineering firm tomorrow to go over a few things. I'll let you know how it goes. I'm aiming more for a new kit than just upgrades to the TK kit.

[GrandMasterKhan]

So is this kit in its stock 2.5L form even capable of working properly?

[BigBalledOX]

You doubt the great Thomas Knight, Kenny? :gtfo:

Blackcoog, depending on what you can put together, I'd be potentially interested.

[bensenvill]

I would be highly interested.

under one condition... you rethink the whole coolant tank strategy. the WR tank needs a pressure releaf valve... I think you'll see why once you get some miles on it.

[GrandMasterKhan]

why dont you just say why instead of leaving us in mystery?

[RodneyBur]

It needs a relief valve because the radiator pushes water and steam in it as the car warms up. If the cap is sealed tight it will cause pressure in the overflow and not allow the hot coolant/steam to enter. The pressure must escape somewhere and could cause hoses to burst, leaks in the radiator, or blow cap off of over flow tank. It really depends on how much pressure is in the system though. If there is no pressure in the overflow tank it could cause all the coolant to flow out from radiator and coolant hoses into the tank (ie removing the cap when engine is warm). The system must be pressurized and create an adequate equilibrium depending on operating temp and pressures.

I'm sure the WR tank has some sort of relief in it. Perhaps on the cap like older radiators?

[bensenvill]

I'm sure the WR tank has some sort of relief in it. Perhaps on the cap like older radiators?


no there is absolutely NO releaf mechanism whatsoever... zero. and it builds up a tremendous amount of pressure. that puts alot of stress on the wields [which are good wields but nothing I would gamble my engine on] and the hoses... something is going to break.

I'll post photos sometime this weekend but my WR tank is very bowed on top. previous owner had 1500 miles on it [and blew his engine], I had about 700 on it before I pulled it.

there is also no way to use the coolant level sensor [its a float valve with the float mechanism built into the stock shell], so that sensor hole in the tank is pointless, and you have to deal with the coolant light permanently being on.

also the tank doesnt have baffling on it... I dunno I could go on about this but when you break it down its a poor substitute for the stock one, and I didnt feel I needed to rehash this because its been covered lately in 2 other threads.


combine all this with adding a significant amount of power to the system and your asking for trouble.
[blackcoog, I love your work and your effort _and openness with sharing your buildup_ really is impressive. this has been my one and only complaint/concern... please dont take it as me trying to bust your balls]

[RodneyBur]

I don't see the coolant light as being a big deal since you could easily fool the sensor and get the light turned off. Maybe you could even get it turned off with the SCT software? I don't know. It would be better if you were able to get the sensor into the WR tank, but I don't know if it is possible. I haven't torn into the stock tank or really looked at the sensor.

I also don't think that the baffles are a big deal either. Basically they would just keep the coolant towards the bottom of the tank more and keep it from sloshing around as much. The system only pulls in coolant from the overflow tank when cooling (car is off). Unless you park on a hill with the front alot higher than the back, it shouldn't pull any air into the system. If it does pull air in then the air should be forced back out after one or two cycles, maybe sooner. You could also keep the tank a little fuller to keep that from happening or perhaps even put a baffle inside it.

The main thing I would be concerned about would be the pressure. If it doesn't have some sort of pressure valve then it would definately put a strain on parts of the system. Mainly the hoses, seems, radiator, etc. Excess pressure may even cause issues with putting a strain on the water pump since it would have a bigger force pushing back the propellers.

I don't own a WR tank so don't know if it does have a pressure valve. I just didn't see why they would sell one without the valve. I will say unless those are really ****ty welds then the hoses would probably go before the tank does.

You could always stick with your stock tank and move it or use another aftermarket coolant tank like James and KustomCougar did.

[muntus]

This might put me into forced induction.

[Blackcoog]

no there is absolutely NO releaf mechanism whatsoever... zero. and it builds up a tremendous amount of pressure. that puts alot of stress on the wields [which are good wields but nothing I would gamble my engine on] and the hoses... something is going to break.

I'll post photos sometime this weekend but my WR tank is very bowed on top. previous owner had 1500 miles on it [and blew his engine], I had about 700 on it before I pulled it.

there is also no way to use the coolant level sensor [its a float valve with the float mechanism built into the stock shell], so that sensor hole in the tank is pointless, and you have to deal with the coolant light permanently being on.

also the tank doesnt have baffling on it... I dunno I could go on about this but when you break it down its a poor substitute for the stock one, and I didnt feel I needed to rehash this because its been covered lately in 2 other threads.


combine all this with adding a significant amount of power to the system and your asking for trouble.
[blackcoog, I love your work and your effort _and openness with sharing your buildup_ really is impressive. this has been my one and only complaint/concern... please dont take it as me trying to bust your balls]

After flushing my cooling system to get the gunk out the modified WR tank has worked perfectly. I have been driving it stock this whole time with the modified WR tank. I do agree a cap with pressure relief is needed I just need to find a source for the end the cap screws onto. The pressure relief is not something that should be used often though. It normally only comes into play when you are overheating. If I did put together a tank it would be from scratch not a WR tank. They should have used thicker aluminum with their tanks.

The piping is another issue. Who is willing to hack into their car for that? It was two 3.5" holes and widening of the windshield washer tank hole.

[nadthomas]

Well, since we have to cut a whole just for a CAI, I don't think it would be a big deal for anyone serious about going FI to cut one more and enlarge another. Just as long as I know where to cut, I'm cool with it.

[bensenvill]

After flushing my cooling system to get the gunk out the modified WR tank has worked perfectly. I have been driving it stock this whole time with the modified WR tank. I do agree a cap with pressure relief is needed I just need to find a source for the end the cap screws onto. The pressure relief is not something that should be used often though. It normally only comes into play when you are overheating. If I did put together a tank it would be from scratch not a WR tank. They should have used thicker aluminum with their tanks.

The piping is another issue. Who is willing to hack into their car for that? It was two 3.5" holes and widening of the windshield washer tank hole.


ya I've been looking for a way to integrate a pressure relief valve... dont get me wrong, the tank has potental, but theres a number of issues I need to address with it before it ever goes back in my car.

I have no problem drilling holes.

[shadowfox28]

im looking to spend $2,000 -$2,500(not including a chip and tune) on my S/c setup. If you can produce a kit for something in that price range, with the fmic,bov,compressor,and piping.... i'll buy your product.

[Blackcoog]

I think the compressor will be the main issue. For a unit like a powerdyne it is $3,000 just for the head unit. A custom one like the TK setup might be the only way to go but his was pieced together. The compressor housing isn't even made for that turbine he machines them out to fit with the large turbine.

[scrupul0us]

yea dude... if u can get a good product and a good price ill pick one up in the years to come for sure!

[Blackcoog]

Well it looks like my idea panned out. I had that engineering remachine the pulley setup based off a drawing I gave them and it works great! I added belt guides on the larger pulley and it keeps the belt on there perfectly. I put a good 20 mins of driving on it and it's still holding together. Belts are fine. No rubber smells and they are cool to the touch so it doesn't seem to be rubbing on the guides.

I did get a quote on the bracketry and the pulley setup they made for me. I just need to figure out what compressor will work now for a decent price so I can come up with a total cost to see if it will be worth it to people.

[dyed4ordblue]

How about a little "seat of the pants" play by play of the s/c? Maybe a video?

[shadowfox28]

how much is the larger compressor that u used for the 3L?

[SlowCat]

Well it looks like my idea panned out. I had that engineering remachine the pulley setup based off a drawing I gave them and it works great! I added belt guides on the larger pulley and it keeps the belt on there perfectly. I put a good 20 mins of driving on it and it's still holding together. Belts are fine. No rubber smells and they are cool to the touch so it doesn't seem to be rubbing on the guides.

I did get a quote on the bracketry and the pulley setup they made for me. I just need to figure out what compressor will work now for a decent price so I can come up with a total cost to see if it will be worth it to people.

Please find a better solution than the TK one.... from the compressor maps I saw they never hit peak efficency at the boost levels they were being sold for. :banghead:

Next spring I plan on either swapping in a well built 3.0L or going F/I, a good bolt on S/C would be a great choice. :cool:

[AndyMan]

I want one :)

[Blackcoog]

Please find a better solution than the TK one.... from the compressor maps I saw they never hit peak efficency at the boost levels they were being sold for. :banghead:

Next spring I plan on either swapping in a well built 3.0L or going F/I, a good bolt on S/C would be a great choice.

I'm not even sure where that compressor map came from that was posted up. His was completely custom and I doubt he put a map together for it. I know there was never a map posted for the larger compressor. It seems to be more then enough. I'll have to start recording intake temps to see how the intercooler is doing and hook up a boost gauge to it to see what I'm getting to the intake.

[muntus]

Have you considered using a Rotrex supercharger? The price seems reasonable at about $2000. http://www.w2wpowertrain.com/c-64-rotrex-units-and-pullies.aspx

[Blackcoog]

Looked into it but as far as I can tell they all turn clockwise and we need a counter clockwise rotation.

What about a Vortech V9 G trim unit? It's in the $2k range for the head unit. We wouldn't need any jackshaft pulley. It would run directly off the pulley stacked on the power steering pump via a 6 rib belt. It seems to fit the RPM range of the blower listed on the vortech site with a 5" power steering pulley. I think size will be the limiting factor with this head unit. I'll see if I can find one at a shop near by just to test fit. With a $2k compressor that would probably push the price up past $3k after brackets, pullies, belts, piping, etc. With a curved outlet it would be possible to direct it over the top of the engine relatively easy and the stock coolant tank might even work as the compressor would sit closer to the engine without the jackshaft pulleys.

[GrandMasterKhan]

I still think trying to go through the front bumper would be the best option. It would look the cleasest.

[Blackcoog]

I agree it turns out much cleaner running it through the bumper but over the front of the engine might be easier for people to install and might be preferred by those that didn't want to drill holes in their car. The nice thing is the vortec comes in a curved outlet so you could run it over the front of the engine and it is also available in a straight outlet so you could point it down and run it through the fender like I did.

[GrandMasterKhan]

you mean across the front like instigator did his?

[nadthomas]

Sounds awesome, and if I'm not up to my ears in wedding expenses next spring I will be down for one. Would you consider doing the setup with running the piping both ways so people have a choice.

Something that just hit me. You are creating a perfect buisness. Have people by your easy bolt on S/C setup, and then when the push it too hard and blow their motor, they would then be in the market for a nice 3L install. :cover: :biggrin: :tongue:

[whiteboy477]

Sounds awesome, and if I'm not up to my ears in wedding expenses next spring I will be down for one. Would you consider doing the setup with running the piping both ways so people have a choice.

Something that just hit me. You are creating a perfect buisness. Have people by your easy bolt on S/C setup, and then when the push it too hard and blow their motor, they would then be in the market for a nice 3L install. :cover: :biggrin: :tongue:



WELL SAID

[bensenvill]

Something that just hit me. You are creating a perfect buisness. Have people by your easy bolt on S/C setup, and then when the push it too hard and blow their motor, they would then be in the market for a nice 3L install. :cover: :biggrin: :tongue:


oh crap, you just spelled it out.

hey admins?? can we get a pre-emptive "Buyer Beware" tag? :rofl: :evil: :rofl:

[Skywalker]

Anything more on this progress?, I would rather buy from somone who know's the insides and outs of a cougar/contour with his eyes closed.

[Blackcoog]

I'm still looking into it. I've been busy lately with 3L builds. I'm teaming up with a friend on them though so that should lighten my load a bit.

[Skywalker]

Well keep us updated on it I'm interested but I want a bolt on it with a lot fewer headaches than the current one.

[AndyMan]

awsome... hope everything works great with that SC kit... seems like TK is backing out of this... so u are our only hope for boost. :thumbsup:

[Blackcoog]

I'm trying to get together with a few people that can create some drawings of the bracket I want. I'll let you know as soon as I get some things nailed down like final bracket design and a headunit.

[Asymmetric]

if you can get this setup to plow down 400WHP with ur 3L ill gladly give you the money to do so :)

[shadowfox28]

if you can get this setup to plow down 400WHP with ur 3L ill gladly give you the money to do so :)
That just not gonna happen... The knight kit with the bigger compressor would at most give like 100extra(generous!!) horses... if the 2.5 was suppsed to get 55 hp. ID say a well put together kit could bring the stock 3.0 from 195 to somewhere around 300 MAX... I know that would be plenty for me!!

[BigBalledOX]

I can think of at least two CDW-27 platform vehicles that are or were within a stone's throw of 400 FWHP with the Vortec kit. Of course, they spent a little more then $27.34 on their entire set up.

[Asymmetric]

heh, im saying 400 because of a conversation me and coog had via aim :) he knows my interest im just having some serious giddiness with the possibility of 300+whp :)

[shadowfox28]

I can think of at least two CDW-27 platform vehicles that are or were within a stone's throw of 400 FWHP with the Vortec kit. Of course, they spent a little more then $27.34 on their entire set up.
and these two cars are running stock internals? I wonder how long that will last.

[Skywalker]

no there not running stock internals, One is buckshot I don't know the other

[Skywalker]

I'm trying to get together with a few people that can create some drawings of the bracket I want. I'll let you know as soon as I get some things nailed down like final bracket design and a headunit.


Someone draw the damn bracket for him! I want a reliable S/C:biggrin:

[bensenvill]

ok but I only have MS Paint

[BigBalledOX]

no there not running stock internals, One is buckshot I don't know the other

Kinger had I believe a 377 horsepower supercharged Roush Cougar. I could be wrong on the owner, but I know I'm right on the car numbers.

[Arhethia]

If u need a bracket made. Let me know, i have cad, cad math, catia and unigraphics. I am a computer designer. So just feel free to pm me. Send me the rough sketches with all the dimension. I can put it into any program you want!!

[Skywalker]

Kinger had I believe a 377 horsepower supercharged Roush Cougar. I could be wrong on the owner, but I know I'm right on the car numbers.


Kingers engine and s/c is now E1's

[Blackcoog]

The company I want to meet with is busy right now so I'm just waiting for a time to meet up with them. I'm also doing 2 3L builds at the moment, one for a Contour SVT I'm building for somone and one for a Cougar guy on here.

I'm probably going to order a headunit from Vortech that has the right dimensions as they have lots of different options and then design the bracket when I get it. Thanks for the offer Arhethia but I'm not sure what the dimensions of the new headunit will be yet. If anyone want to help out look for a head unit that is compact enough and has the same general design as the turbo housing the TK kit has. Needs to be priced under $2k for the head unit and capable of running directly off the powersteering 6 rib pulley (0-7k rpms). It also needs inputs and outputs similar to the TK setup for pipe routing concerns.

[BigBalledOX]

Kingers engine and s/c is now E1's

Dee Dee Dee . . . on me, of course, cuz I talk to John pretty damn regularly. :tongue:

[Blackcoog]

I have a good design for a bracket now and pricing on them. I just need to pick up a headunit to mock up. I'll keep you updated.

[SpookSVT]

The company I want to meet with is busy right now so I'm just waiting for a time to meet up with them. I'm also doing 2 3L builds at the moment, one for a Contour SVT I'm building for somone and one for a Cougar guy on here.

I'm probably going to order a headunit from Vortech that has the right dimensions as they have lots of different options and then design the bracket when I get it. Thanks for the offer Arhethia but I'm not sure what the dimensions of the new headunit will be yet. If anyone want to help out look for a head unit that is compact enough and has the same general design as the turbo housing the TK kit has. Needs to be priced under $2k for the head unit and capable of running directly off the powersteering 6 rib pulley (0-7k rpms). It also needs inputs and outputs similar to the TK setup for pipe routing concerns.

The Vortec V9 or V5 like on the kits for the contour. It's compact enough but you'd have to modify the input since it's spline driven. You can pick up S-trim's for around $800 from the mustang guys when they upgrade to T-Trim's. The procharger C-1 or C-2 are very compact, that's what shagmonkey has on his, they make some noise. You could try out a Rotrex unit, I was looking at the C38-61 headunit. They run at turbo impellar speeds and efficiencies, and essentially are a turbo housing and style wheel, they whistle like a turbo but don't whine because there are no gears in the blower transmission.

[shadowfox28]

The Vortec V9 or V5 like on the kits for the contour. It's compact enough but you'd have to modify the input since it's spline driven. You can pick up S-trim's for around $800 from the mustang guys when they upgrade to T-Trim's. The procharger C-1 or C-2 are very compact, that's what shagmonkey has on his, they make some noise. You could try out a Rotrex unit, I was looking at the C38-61 headunit. They run at turbo impellar speeds and efficiencies, and essentially are a turbo housing and style wheel, they whistle like a turbo but don't whine because there are no gears in the blower transmission.
I like the idea about picking up the mustang units. there are a most likely ashytload of those floating around.

[Blackcoog]

I was looking at the V9 because they look like they would be compact enough. I may be able to borrow an S trim from someone tomorrow so I'll get some good info from that.

[Arhethia]

Man i am excited for these!!! If we cna keep this kit near 2k. Man i would be soo happy. I guess alittle too happy dong.

[Blackcoog]

Unless we find a supercharger head unit in the $1k range it will definately be closer to $3k. All the headunits I've seen online are around $2K and then there is the main bracket, oil lines, piping, etc. Let me know if you know of a head unit that will be cheaper.

[shadowfox28]

Can't we just buy them used? ... or Maybe if we did a group buy from vortec or something?

[shadowfox28]

jeese!! the paxton superchargers are cheap as crap.... yea the snails are all expensive... even the used ones.

[AndyMan]

$3k is good... in fact,... Me.. personaly i would go as far as $3.5,... just because i know i want it to be awsome quality :thumbsup:

[conceptcougar14]

Im def. interested, looking for some way to make my cat faster, y not a S/C?????

[stocksvtcontour]

If you need help with the poly v sheave belts or pulleys let me know blackcoog. I sell them and can probably get a good price for you. I am being lazy so can someone tell me the rib spacing so I know the belt/sheave type. It is one of these three 3/32, 3/16, 3/8 vvvvvvv measuring from one point to another. I do not want to climb under the contour. :grouphug:

[Blackcoog]

I probably will need some help with a 6 rib belt. If I do run it off of another pulley stacked on the power steering pulley then I need a 6 rib belt that is in the 25-35inch range (Depends on placement and pulley size). I don't think gates currently makes one that small. Let me know what the smallest 6 rib belt is that you can get. PM me if you find one in that range and give me a price. For pullies I wanted to use another stock power steering pulley stacked on since it's easy to obtain.

I'll be putting the kit up on my new web site when I get all the components figured out. Web site is in my sig. I'm going to change the website name to a performance shop name so people don't think it's limited to 3L swaps.

Chris

[Blackcoog]

FYI I ordered the compressor I'm going to use for the kit on Monday. I don't have my TK kit back together because the machine shop kept my bracket to take dimensions and draw up a new bracket. Once the supercharger headunit is here things should move very fast as long as we can get it all to fit nicely. Also a new coolant tank or a relocation of the current tank is a must for this setup. I'll let you know as soon as the headunit comes in. I'll post some teaser pictures for those interested. :)

[Saskman11]

Blackcoog, you sir make me save money very well! I save every penny I get for this. Hopefully I will have enough once you have the end result done.

You get one :bowdown: sir.

[Shagmonkey]

I think you are building the same setup I had done a couple of years back, so these might help?!?!?!?!? I can adjust the tension and side to side position with my bracket.

Please exscuse the filthy state of my engine bay

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/Engine%20Bay%20Shots/17-07-06_1121.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/Engine%20Bay%20Shots/17-07-06_1122.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/Engine%20Bay%20Shots/20-07-06_1719.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/Engine%20Bay%20Shots/17-07-06_1058.jpg

[warmonger]

Nice setup Shagmonkey! How is the air directed into the intake?

[Blackcoog]

It goes down into a front mount in the bumper on his car and then down under the subframe and up in front of the transmission into the MAF and then throttle body.

[Blackcoog]

Update: I recieved the new supercharger today that I'm planning on using. If the machine shop I'm using has time I'll be bring it to them tomorrow so we can finalize a bracket design and hopefully get things moving. I'll let you know when we have a finalized bracket design and pricing.

Chris

[COOGAH]

you have no idea how much i love you.....in a strictly plutonic way of course

[Blackcoog]

FYI dont be apposed to cutting into the car a bit. I'll do what I can to avoid it but this is going to be a tight package.

[COOGAH]

i am patiently awaiting with sawzall and cutoff wheel inhand. got the plasma cutter in my back pocket.


PS are you done yet? j/k

[shadowfox28]

Which supercharger are you using? s-trim, the procharger. or vortech one that you were talking about?

[Shagmonkey]

Again, I'm not hijacking, just seeing if these piccies help.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/Engine%20Bay%20Shots/17-07-06_1057.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/Engine%20Bay%20Shots/Imgp0382.jpg

[Blackcoog]

I figured out how I'm going to mount it. The piping will definately be going through the bumper for this kit. I can't aim the compressor any other way and get it to fit. I might need to instruct people to dent the sheet metal below so it sits as low as possible. Removal of the windshield washer tank and a different coolant tank is a must. Some cutting for the piping will be needed. I think I'll use a filter similar to the one above. I'll need to find a mass produced coolant tank that will work for this setup now. The one I made for the TK kit won't work. It's really close though.

What are people's ideas on a cog setup vs a ribbed belt? I was thinking a cog belt would mean less tension on the powersteering pump and I don't think we can get a 6 rib belt that is that short (25-30in.) anyway so a cog setup might be the only way to go.

[PuckPuck]

Cutting isn't an issue... as long as you design it to work with an intercooler, and have pipe going the front way, we in business.

i'm curious as to what type of blower you plan on using? and would you have the compressor maps for the blower? I know the pulley size and ratios aren't figured in yet, but I just want to make my own double checking against the maps....

[Blackcoog]

Teaser pictures of the compressor sitting in the spot it will be mounted...

That's where I'm planning on having the bracket position it. My predator hood shuts fine and I think that hood even sits lower because the vent scoops down right over it. Thoughts? Suggestions?

[nadthomas]

you are my hero.

[SlowCat]

:evil: .... I can't wait

[PuckPuck]

what type of compressor is it? maps?

[Blackcoog]

I'm not going to go over the components until it's up and working. Things could change if issues come up so there is no reason to start listing out the components that might be in it. People will become confused if things change creating tons of questions. Just sit tight until it's done.

[shadowfox28]

hmmm... im not even shore how the windshield washer fluid gets pumped up to the window. but is it possible to relocate that sucker to the trunk. I know that the rear nozzle had plenty of pressure when i had it hooked up. Someone wanna explain how the pumping of the fliud works so that i can try and think of a new spot for it?
P.S. Are you mocking it up with 2 inch piping? or 2.5 inch?

[scrupul0us]

hmmm... im not even shore how the windshield washer fluid gets pumped up to the window. but is it possible to relocate that sucker to the trunk. I know that the rear nozzle had plenty of pressure when i had it hooked up. Someone wanna explain how the pumping of the fliud works so that i can try and think of a new spot for it?
P.S. Are you mocking it up with 2 inch piping? or 2.5 inch?
::sighs:: have u ever opened the hood of your car?

see that small black tubing... on the underside of the hood... presto!

if this answer doesnt suffice you can look on the ford tech cd... wait.. you do have one of those right? afterall one would hope you know where the basic components of the engine bay are b4 trying to FI the engine...

btw: "shore" is whats' at the beach... "sure" is akin to "certainty"

[OZ]

:rofl: ^^

[shadowfox28]

yes yes i know where the lines are.. im asking about the pump.. where is the pump that pushes the fluid from the bottom of the engine bay to the windshield?.. Is it integrated into the resevoir or is it a seperate enitity? I dont have my car rite now and i never got my hands on a ford cd.. And the online version doesnt work on my computer. Only reason im even bringing this topic up is because i am going to have to keep the cougar as my daily driver after all and i always use those puppies. btw, Blackcoog is the man!

[cougarprophet]

yes yes i know where the lines are.. im asking about the pump.. where is the pump that pushes the fluid from the bottom of the engine bay to the windshield?.. Is it integrated into the resevoir or is it a seperate enitity? I dont have my car rite now and i never got my hands on a ford cd.. And the online version doesnt work on my computer. Only reason im even bringing this topic up is because i am going to have to keep the cougar as my daily driver after all and i always use those puppies. btw, Blackcoog is the man!
dude, u can just get a 14v waterpump.....something strong enough to push the distance then just hook it up to the factory pump ( and wire it all up on the same wires as the oem that way it goes on when the oem one should, and u could locate it to one of the corners of the trunk....

[PuckPuck]

the pump is not integrating INTO the reservoir, but it's hanging off the bottom of it... The pump has 2 outputs, one for the rear, the other for the front. So whatever you do I would look into re-using the stock pump with whatever resevoir you go with, to support the dual outputs. (unless you are like me, and have no rear washer - in which case a standard pump will work)

[Shagmonkey]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/Engine%20Bay%20Shots/Enginebaydescription.jpg

[shadowfox28]

lol he called it a windscreen.. crazy English.. Nice pic though. .. i dont have a rear washer.. but i might use the rear outlet for one side and the front outlet for the other... that would be kinda funky. When i get my car back tomorow i'll take a look at it.
Edit: I want as much free space in the engine bay as possible... Everything that can be relocated to the trunk or removed, will be. It makes for a much cleaner looking engine bay.

[Blackcoog]

The bracket should be finalized tonight. As far as the windshield washer tank you should be able to put it anywhere like shagmonkey's as long as you have a pump and the space for it. It isn't a critical item so I won't be including that. I'll try to include a coolant tank.

[shadowfox28]

Wait. will the Stock coolant tank still work on the drivers side of the engine bay though? or will there be no room for it there either? If it fits on the drivers side You could make a new tank that fits at the stock location an option for your kit.

[PuckPuck]

Wait. will the Stock coolant tank still work on the drivers side of the engine bay though? or will there be no room for it there either? If it fits on the drivers side You could make a new tank that fits at the stock location an option for your kit.

you would need a mirror of the tank (left/right) in order to make it work without modifying other parts of the car. And that's just to accomodate the inlets/outlets on the tank.

[Blackcoog]

Coolant tank will most likely be a smaller version in the same stock location made out of aluminum.

Chris

[Blackcoog]

I went over the final bracket design last night and it seems to be coming along well. We will be using the stock engine mount bracket (shaved down a rib on one side). The supercharger bracket will bolt down on top of it and have a slot for the power steering line to fit through. I really wanted a two piece bracket or to keep the stock engine mount bracket so we didn't have to support the engine every time we wanted to remove the supercharger like I have to on the TK kit. There will also be a pivot point for belt tension adjustment with an adjustment screw. The final drawing will be finished before lunch today and then they will start building 5 of them and hopefully be done in a week or two.

As far as the compressor outlet piping I may have to have a custom piece welded onto the end of the oulet so we can get it to go through the windshield washer tank hole nicely or it will just require some cutting and a 90 degree bend that will aim it down into the frame rail/fender well.

[RodneyBur]

Have you set out some sort of price range for this kit yet? I'm just wondering if it will come close to the price of Thomas Knights kit?

[Blackcoog]

As stated earlier in this thread it will be over $2500 but I'm not sure how much over. It depends on the accesories needed and the cost of the final bracket.

[Arhethia]

what supercharger are u using? or did you already say it. i must of missed which one you choose!!!